What a ****ty thing to say. Yeah, he was drunk. Yeah, someone let him drive. Thing is, he's also dead and he killed a friend of his, too. Why not just keep your snide comments to yourself, huh? And he didn't even try to save face with a real apology either. See what I did there? Save face? Insensitive comments are fun, no? Ebert can suck it. Er, no he can't.
EDIT: He also wrote this keen bit of poetry about it: '****' star Ryan Dunn, RIP. His Porsche flew through 40 yards of trees.
Nice dood.
**** way to go, someone should've shown some sense and stopped him from driving. At least from the sound of it no innocents were hurt.
I give Roger Ebert's comments two thumbs up.
Meh. The truth hurts sometimes. You drive drunk, you deserve death. Simple. Don't like it? Too bad.
Also the truth is that he died because he drove drunk. If that's all he said, so be it. It'd still be slightly insensitive but it'd be the reality of the situation. He didn't do that, though. He wrote a poem about it. He made a pun. That's being an ass. Period. He used this tragedy to get some social media action. The death was a shot at hitting 'trending' status in his mind. That's ****ed up.
But yes. Making fun of someone's death is only slightly less bad then celebrating it. Neither is appropriate at all. Let those that wish to mourn in peace..
I'm just glad this drunken fool only killed himself and not someone who matters.
I give Roger Ebert's comments two thumbs up.
So what you're saying is that his family and friends and the family and friends of the friend that died in the crash with him deserve to be made to feel even worse than they do by some half-faced a-hole that has nothing to do with them? What did they do? What did his mother do? Why should their pain be amplified so that people like you can feel superior to a dead man? Dood ... like I said above, that's ****ed up. Dunn won't care cuz he's dead. The people left behind have to deal with these comments. And they don't deserve it.
For the passenger qualifying... I don't know. He should have been able to judge that his buddy was probably as drunk as he was and thus totally unfit to drive.
Not neccessarily. You can be drunk enough to be blacking out on your feet. You can also appear to be less drunk than you are, too. Odds are he knew, I'll give ya that. But we can't know and it really doesn't matter. They're both dead because of the decisions they made that night.
But yes. Making fun of someone's death is only slightly less bad then celebrating it. Neither is appropriate at all. Let those that wish to mourn in peace..
And doing it to give your Facebook page and Twitter feed a shot in the arm is beyond disgusting.
I'm just glad this drunken fool only killed himself and not someone who matters.
I give Roger Ebert's comments two thumbs up.
So what you're saying is that his family and friends and the family and friends of the friend that died in the crash with him deserve to be made to feel even worse than they do by some half-faced a-hole that has nothing to do with them? What did they do? What did his mother do? Why should their pain be amplified so that people like you can feel superior to a dead man? Dood ... like I said above, that's ****ed up. Dunn won't care cuz he's dead. The people left behind have to deal with these comments. And they don't deserve it.
No, I'm saying he's an irresponsible ass. I didn't know he murdered someone else during with his reckless acts as well. For that I have even less sympathy for him than I did before, which was already alarmingly close to nothing.
No, I'm saying he's an irresponsible ass. I didn't know he murdered someone else during with his reckless acts as well. For that I have even less sympathy for him than I did before, which was already alarmingly close to nothing.
If you're happy with Ebert's comments, you're happy with the impact they've had on his family and friends, too. Think what you will about Ryan Dunn - he ****ed up. That's fine. He's dead, he can't hear what you have to say anyway. But people that didn't do anything wrong cared about him and still do. They have to hear the **** that gets said, not Ryan. Why do that to them? What good does it do to say terrible things about a dead man? They're being punished by Ryan Dunn for the mistakes Ryan Dunn made. You don't need to add to that. I think the senseless death of a loved on is enough for them to bear.
What good does it do to say terrible things about a dead man?
If vilifying him stops just one person from doing the same thing, I call it worthwhile.
No, I'm saying he's an irresponsible ass. I didn't know he murdered someone else during with his reckless acts as well. For that I have even less sympathy for him than I did before, which was already alarmingly close to nothing.
If you're happy with Ebert's comments, you're happy with the impact they've had on his family and friends, too. Think what you will about Ryan Dunn - he ****ed up. That's fine. He's dead, he can't hear what you have to say anyway. But people that didn't do anything wrong cared about him and still do. They have to hear the **** that gets said, not Ryan. Why do that to them? What good does it do to say terrible things about a dead man? They're being punished by Ryan Dunn for the mistakes Ryan Dunn made. You don't need to add to that. I think the senseless death of a loved on is enough for them to bear.
Having read Ebert's comment myself: what's so terrible about pointing out to the rest of us the dangers of drunk driving?
It's certainly not the most solemn or tactful way of doing so, but Ebert's comment can be reasonably seen to be a sort of PSA.
If you're happy with Ebert's comments, you're happy with the impact they've had on his family and friends, too.
Non sequitur: it does not follow.
I'm more concerned with the impact his words have had on someone who might now think twice before drinking and driving.
Think what you will about Ryan Dunn - he ****ed up. That's fine. He's dead, he can't hear what you have to say anyway. But people that didn't do anything wrong cared about him and still do. They have to hear the **** that gets said, not Ryan. Why do that to them? What good does it do to say terrible things about a dead man? They're being punished by Ryan Dunn for the mistakes Ryan Dunn made. You don't need to add to that. I think the senseless death of a loved on is enough for them to bear.
Why should I care about his family and friends? He sure as hell didn't.
I'm just glad this drunken fool only killed himself and not someone who matters.
I give Roger Ebert's comments two thumbs up.
Agreed. Although there was a passenger in the car.
That being said, the **** crew made a living offending people. Not to mention, what Ebert said is absolute truth. Drunk drivers are ****es.
If you're happy with Ebert's comments, you're happy with the impact they've had on his family and friends, too.
Non sequitur: it does not follow.
I'm more concerned with the impact his words have had on someone who might now think twice before drinking and driving.
So it's your contention that drunk driving happens in a vacuum and no one else is affected by it OR the comments about it?
Why should I care about his family and friends? He sure as hell didn't.
Just because he was an uncarring ass doesn't mean that you should be.
In all honesty the anger at Roger Ebert is entirely misplaced. It should be fully directed at Ryan Dunn and no other.
There's a lot of ways to talk about how drunk driving is a terrible thing to do. This situation gave those that would talk about them a reason to do so. That does not mean that to do it you need to take shots at a dead man. Doing that makes you a piece of garbage. Cuz if your 'message' is more important to you than the feelings of those devastated by a senseless loss, you are totally missing something quite important to not being a piece of garbage. Like a sense of humanity. It isn't about you. You don't need to add shock value to your message to see it heard right now - the fact that two people died in a flaming wreck should be shocking enough. Someone died. Show a little respect for their family and friends. If that's too hard to do, you're just as worthless in my eyes as you claim drunk drivers are in yours.
You don't need to add shock value to your message to see it heard right now - the fact that two people died in a flaming wreck should be shocking enough.
It should be. Unfortunately, it's really not.
If you equate saying bad things about a shitbag to putting the lives of innocents at risk, there's something wrong with you. Saying bad things hurts feelings. Driving drunk kills children. Think about that. Do you have kids? Do you want drunken a-holes on the road where your children might be? The next time you're driving with a loved one in the car, think about how easy it'd be for that next on-coming car to swerve into your lane because the driver had one too many. Think about what the consequences would be.
It should be. Unfortunately, it's really not.
If you equate saying bad things about a shitbag to putting the lives of innocents at risk, there's something wrong with you. Saying bad things hurts feelings. Driving drunk kills children. Think about that. Do you have kids? Do you want drunken a-holes on the road where your children might be? The next time you're driving with a loved one in the car, think about how easy it'd be for that next on-coming car to swerve into your lane because the driver had one too many. Think about what the consequences would be.
Of course that's terrible. Thing is, telling him that doesn't really do anything. Cuz he's dead. All makin' cute little poems about his death and playing on his career does is hurt his family and friends. You know, people already hurt by what he did. There's no reason to do that. None. You talk about how I shouldn't equate people saying bad things with drunk drivers, but I think you also used a term that'll help me explain why I do: shitbags. People that just don't give a **** about those who had nothing to do with why this happened but are hurt more than anyone by the fact that it did are shitbags. That's just how it is.
Drunk driving is a terrible thing. It puts too many lives in danger. It's something I go out of my way to ensure I don't do by not driving to any place where I'll be drinking. It's a shame that Ryan Dunn drove drunk and that those who were there didn't try to stop him (if they didn't. we don't know for sure that no one tried. odds are, however, that no one did). It's a shame that he died because of that poor decision. It's a tragedy that he killed a friend in the process. If there is any good that come out of this terrible situation, it's that Ryan's popularity with a lot of young men who are of drinking age will bring this event to their attention. They'll know what happened and maybe - just maybe - they'll think before they get behind the wheel. Maybe they'll stop friends from driving drunk. Maybe the two lives lost will save someone else. That's all we can hope for, unfortunately.
See? Was that so hard? Message delivered, nobody that wasn't responsible hurt. The fact that I can do that shows me that those who don't don't care about the feelings of those hurt but not involved. And that makes them shitbags.
See? Was that so hard? Message delivered, nobody that wasn't responsible hurt. The fact that I can do that shows me that those who don't don't care about the feelings of those hurt but not involved. And that makes them shitbags.
Great. You delivered a message to reasonable people who can be swayed by pretty words. Guess what. The shitbags who are driving drunk don't give a #!#% about your pretty words. The reasonable people already avoid driving under the influence. The ones that need to be reached are teenagers, and teenagers are callus, uncaring, self-centered, irresponsible a$$holes.
Great. You delivered a message to reasonable people who can be swayed by pretty words. Guess what. The shitbags who are driving drunk don't give a #!#% about your pretty words. The reasonable people already avoid driving under the influence. The ones that need to be reached are teenagers, and teenagers are callus, uncaring, self-centered, irresponsible a$$holes.
Drunk driving is bad because it hurts people. So we should hurt people that were already hurt by drunk driving to tell them that drunk driving is bad. Yep, shitbag.
People will either be swayed or they won't. Do you really think making jokes about a dead man will sway anyone to your side? Honestly? Ya think those teens will suddenly stop driving drunk cuz some half-faced tub of lard wrote a ****ty poem? Really? C'mon. Like somehow hearing that he killed a friend and died as well and was burnt so badly in the process that the cops had to use his tats to ID him isn't enough but seeing the mean spirited words of a faded film critic is. That's about the stupidest idea I've heard in a long, long time.
Ya think those teens will suddenly stop driving drunk cuz some half-faced tub of lard wrote a ****ty poem?
That's it!! I'm challenging Roger Ebert to a face-off!!
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Aw, ****. He already won... 
Ya think those teens will suddenly stop driving drunk cuz some half-faced tub of lard wrote a ****ty poem?
That's it!! I'm challenging Roger Ebert to a face-off!!ShowAw, ****. He already won...
That "half-faced tub of lard"s comments have kept the story in front of people longer than the the fact that there was a burned-up dead guy could have. More time in the news means more people see it. More time in the news is more time for it to sink in to the small minds of boneheaded dumbtards.
And the suffering of his friends and family be damned. Got it.
I'm not seeing the problem here. The guy has a history of driving too fast and driving under the influence. He posted a picture of himself drinking with friends on Tumbler just prior to the crash. His actions led to natural consequences for him and his friend. He's an irresponsible jerk. He is not a victim in any way, shape, or form. He did this to the people that cared about him--family, friends, and fans alike.
In all honesty the anger at Roger Ebert is entirely misplaced. It should be fully directed at Ryan Dunn and no other.
Death should not be celebrated or mocked, even if it happened stupidly and recklessly. No one is saying that he should not be held responsible and called out for driving drunk. We're saying that mocking his death to the degree that some people are doing it is also very bad and makes the mocker look like a stupid ****.....or at least I am.
You don't need to add shock value to your message to see it heard right now - the fact that two people died in a flaming wreck should be shocking enough.
It should be. Unfortunately, it's really not.
If you equate saying bad things about a shitbag to putting the lives of innocents at risk, there's something wrong with you. Saying bad things hurts feelings. Driving drunk kills children. Think about that. Do you have kids? Do you want drunken a-holes on the road where your children might be? The next time you're driving with a loved one in the car, think about how easy it'd be for that next on-coming car to swerve into your lane because the driver had one too many. Think about what the consequences would be.
You are getting a few things wrong.
1) Words don't stop drunk driving, so your worthless words are........worthless.
2) Words like that and drunk driving are not equally bad, they simply make those that do and say them equally worthless human beings.
3) The deaths ARE shocking enough, but some people won't stop no matter what the shock value, so your worthless words are again........worthless.
Guess what. The shitbags who are driving drunk don't give a #!#% about your pretty words.
They also don't give a #!#% about your harsh words, so you still ONLY affect those who are already hurting. Good job.
That "half-faced tub of lard"s comments have kept the story in front of people longer than the the fact that there was a burned-up dead guy could have. More time in the news means more people see it. More time in the news is more time for it to sink in to the small minds of boneheaded dumbtards.
And the suffering of his friends and family be damned. Got it.
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something.
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something.
Of course it is. So when we have a chance to stop ourselves from adding to pain that's already there, maybe we should.
So, it's okay to mock and insult a living cancer patient, but not a dead murderer. Got it.
no, it only okay to mock if you are not hurting anyone.
rule of thumb: hurting people is bad.
So, it's okay to mock and insult a living cancer patient, but not a dead murderer. Got it.
Would I have mocked him if he didn't mock Dunn first? I'm not claiming to be a better person, either. I'm sayin' he's bad and I'll freely admit what I said was terrible. Hell, I honest to god even feel bad about it. I said what I did in order to highlight the fact that it's easy to be insensitive to shock people into responding to what we write. It's also wrong. I'm not any more right in doing it as a response but I felt it was worth it in this case to give him a taste of his own medicine to see whether or not he'd choke on it. And yes, I realize that these are the D&D forums. That's why yesterday afternoon I 'liked' his page on Facebook and posted something much less verbose but exactly as bastardy on his wall along with my reason for doing so. Er, basically at least. I even kept the 'like' on on the off chance he'd respond. He, unsurprisingly (cuz I was just one voice of many giving him a hard time), did not.
Anyhoo, you're right. What I did makes me a shitbag, too. But at least I know what I am, I'm not trying to defend my behavior and don't expect anyone else to.
I think his friends and family should be left to mourn in peace. I think his fans should shut up and move on to the next self-respect challenged idiot who will be willing to degrade and hurt himself for their entertainment.
I think his friends and family should be left to mourn in peace.
That's all I'm a' sayin'. Apparently, that's just too much in some peoples' opinions.
I think his friends and family should be left to mourn in peace.
That's all I'm a' sayin'. Apparently, that's just too much in some peoples' opinions.
I don't think Ebert's comments were meant for the friends and family. I think they were meant for the fans.
I don't think Ebert's comments were meant for the friends and family. I think they were meant for the fans.
Regardless, the friends and family certainly got wind of them. Not really amazing when you consider he posted his comments on Facebook and Twitter. To me, it seems like he was just trying to generate traffic by making insensitive remarks. That's sick. Common, sure, but still sick.
I suppose the fact that he's sick and dieing, and probably in pain, doesn't allow him a little leeway? I'm sure there's considerable bitterness in him, going from a man who lived by his voice to a man with no voice. In any event, I'm sure his family and friends completely understand all the hatred and bile being spewed at him. Their feelings don't matter at all, until he dies.
You keep saying that is if people here have said that the feelings of family members don't count if the person is alive. I'm not sure you understand the point people here have been trying to make.
That "half-faced tub of lard"s comments have kept the story in front of people longer than the the fact that there was a burned-up dead guy could have. More time in the news means more people see it. More time in the news is more time for it to sink in to the small minds of boneheaded dumbtards.
And the suffering of his friends and family be damned. Got it.
That's on Dunn, not on Ebert.
Incorrect. The anger shown over Ebert's comments should be directed at him as he's the one that made them. Again, once a guy is dead saying bad things about him doesn't have any effect on him. Cuz he's dead. They do, however, have an effect on those left behind. Those that are dealing with a tragedy they are in no way responsible for.
There's a lot of ways to talk about how drunk driving is a terrible thing to do. This situation gave those that would talk about them a reason to do so. That does not mean that to do it you need to take shots at a dead man. Doing that makes you a piece of garbage. Cuz if your 'message' is more important to you than the feelings of those devastated by a senseless loss, you are totally missing something quite important to not being a piece of garbage. Like a sense of humanity. It isn't about you. You don't need to add shock value to your message to see it heard right now - the fact that two people died in a flaming wreck should be shocking enough. Someone died. Show a little respect for their family and friends. If that's too hard to do, you're just as worthless in my eyes as you claim drunk drivers are in yours.
You make a good point. I think I got caught up in my own anger and lost sight of the real victims here.
I've seen first hand the victims of drunk driving on too many occasions. My folks live on a very busy street and there use to be a crosswalk just to the west of their property. It was a terrible location for a crosswalk, because it was only a short block away from a busy intersection. Even worse, just after the intersection was a small bar. I'm sure you can put two and two together.
Fortunately the bar burned down and the city eventually moved the crosswalk. It cut crash fatalities in the area by quite a bit.
I suppose the fact that he's sick and dieing, and probably in pain, doesn't allow him a little leeway? I'm sure there's considerable bitterness in him, going from a man who lived by his voice to a man with no voice. In any event, I'm sure his family and friends completely understand all the hatred and bile being spewed at him. Their feelings don't matter at all, until he dies.
Ebert is still a waste of flesh given form. I don't care what your excuse is, he went to a place he should have known better not to if he had been raised with any sort of respect for another human being. If Ebert was found dead today, by a bullet to the head I'd consider it better for humanity at this point.
I don't care what your excuse is, he went to a place he should have known better not to if he had been raised with any sort of respect for another human being.
The same can be said about Dunn. I'd say that driving at 140MPH with a BAC of 0.196% is far worse than making a comment or writing a poem in bad taste. It's a good thing you've never said anything that could hurt someone's feelings, or you'd be suicidal.
I suppose the fact that he's sick and dieing, and probably in pain, doesn't allow him a little leeway? I'm sure there's considerable bitterness in him, going from a man who lived by his voice to a man with no voice. In any event, I'm sure his family and friends completely understand all the hatred and bile being spewed at him. Their feelings don't matter at all, until he dies.
I never said the stuff being said about Ebert was ok or that it had no effect on his friends and family. I even went so far as to say what I did was exactly the same and confessed that that fact made me a shitbag. So I'm not sure what this is about. In any event, I (obviously) don't think he deserves any leeway because once we start excusing people for behaving in disgusting ways, well, we've just excused someone for behaving in a disgusting way, haven't we? And you'd think his situation would make him more sympathetic to the suffering of others. Well, at least I would.
That's on Dunn, not on Ebert.
The suffering brought about by his actions that night that killed him? Yes. The suffering brought about by Ebert's 'jokes'? No. That's on Ebert and that's what I'm talking about. I've never defended Ryan Dunn the Drunk Driver. I've defended Ryan Dunn's Friends and Family.
You make a good point. I think I got caught up in my own anger and lost sight of the real victims here.
I've seen first hand the victims of drunk driving on too many occasions. My folks live on a very busy street and there use to be a crosswalk just to the west of their property. It was a terrible location for a crosswalk, because it was only a short block away from a busy intersection. Even worse, just after the intersection was a small bar. I'm sure you can put two and two together.
Fortunately the bar burned down and the city eventually moved the crosswalk. It cut crash fatalities in the area by quite a bit.
I totally understand. It's easy to lose sight when things hit close to home and I'm just as guilty of doing that on occasion as everyone else is. Drunk driving is a big deal to me, too. My friend's sister was killed by a DD. My brother almost died in a wreck he got into driving drunk (he only hit a deep ditch, thank god) and a friend probably should be dead from the same (again, just a ditch). Having this stuff happen (and more - like DUIs friends got) really brings it home. Seeing a totally devastated vehicle or visiting your brother in the hospital or seeing a MADD sticker on your friend's mother's car every time you go over and knowing why it's there are, to me, pretty big deals. But I'll tell you right now - even knowing all of this and seeing all of it - if someone were to make a joke about my brother while he was lying there in that bed? I'd have gone to jail. Cuz I'd have utterly destroyed the person that said it. Do I know he did it to himself? Hell yes. So I don't need some a-hole that has no idea how I feel at the moment to remind me. I've got more pressing concerns, ya know?
Anyhoo, it's why I never debated that Dunn hurt his family and friends. Never said he didn't do this to himself. Never defended the fact that he killed a friend in the process, either. All I was ever tryin' to say was show the man's friends and family some respect. I'm glad that finally came through. I do have a way of not saying things how I want to say them right away.
The suffering brought about by his actions that night that killed him? Yes. The suffering brought about by Ebert's 'jokes'? No. That's on Ebert and that's what I'm talking about. I've never defended Ryan Dunn the Drunk Driver. I've defended Ryan Dunn's Friends and Family.
Yeah, and they should also realize that Ebert is right. Drunk drivers are jack ****. Drunk drivers that kill people are even worse. Sounds like friends and familiy trying to deflect the real villain in all of this to me.
Yeah, and they should also realize that Ebert is right. Drunk drivers are jack ****. Drunk drivers that kill people are even worse. Sounds like friends and familiy trying to deflect the real villain in all of this to me.
Did you know drunk drivers were ****es before Ebert told you? I'm guessing his family did, too. ;)
Dunn put the knife in 'em and Ebert twisted it. Both are wrong.
Did you know drunk drivers were ****es before Ebert told you? I'm guessing his family did, too. ;)
Yep, yet people still do it. And people still die because of it. And people continue to get more and more pissed about it.
Dunn put the knife in 'em and Ebert twisted it. Both are wrong.
Hardly. That is exaggeration for effect. Ebert has nothing to do with the knife other than he pointed at it and said, "Yep, that's what killed him."
Yep, yet people still do it. And people still die because of it. And people continue to get more and more pissed about it.
So if people have seen and heard it all before and yet continue to do it, what was there to gain by making the comments he did? What 'plus' was there? All I see are people that cared about someone that died having to hear crap that most people seem to admit won't do a damned thing but upset them. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Hardly. That is exaggeration for effect. Ebert has nothing to do with the knife other than he pointed at it and said, "Yep, that's what killed him."
You'd be right if all Ebert did was say 'yep, drunk driving killed him'. He didn't, though, did he? He instead took the opportunity to make a poem and 'joke' in poor taste - likely for the purpose of driving traffic to his social media accounts. So yeah, he added to their pain. If you don't think he did, why don't you look at what some of Dunn's friends had to say about Ebert's comments. They seem to think he added to their pain. I kinda think takin' their word for it makes sense.
The truth hurts. Sometimes it hurts more when you don't want to hear it.
Maybe they should be pissed at Dunn for giving someone the opportunity to say that. No drunk driving --> no drunk driving accident --> no drunk driving deaths --> no drunk drivingcomment of questionable taste.
Regardless, if it wasn't Ebert, it definitely would have been someone else. They would have been correct in their assessment, too.
*shrug*
The truth hurts. Sometimes it hurts more when you don't want to hear it.
Maybe they should be pissed at Dunn for giving someone the opportunity to say that. No drunk driving --> no drunk driving accident --> no drunk driving deaths --> no drunk drivingcomment of questionable taste.
Regardless, if it wasn't Ebert, it definitely would have been someone else. They would have been correct in their assessment, too.
So we should hold Dunn personally responsible for his actions, but not Ebert. Umm ... no?
And I don't think anyone is correct if their assessment is '**** how his family feels right now, I wanna make a pun!'.
Maybe if they hadn't given birth to Dunn, none of this would've happened. They have only themselves to blame, I guess.
Nice.
So we should hold Dunn personally responsible for his actions, but not Ebert. Umm ... no?
Ebert is being held accountable, but his actions pale in comparison. His statement didn't kill two people.
And I don't think anyone is correct if their assessment is '**** how his family feels right now, I wanna make a pun!'.
He wasn't thinking about Dunn's family. He was thinking about drunk driving in general, made a pun of questionable taste, which Dunn's friends and family took offense to.
So what is your excuse for being so outraged? Were you a friend or family member? Where is your outrage for a drunk person killing himself and his passenger? You seem more upset about a Tweet than the actual event itself, which is a bit disconcerting in and of itself.
Ebert is being held accountable, but his actions pale in comparison. His statement didn't kill two people.
Didn't you just write out a string that absolved Ebert of guilt by saying that if Dunn didn't drive drunk Ebert wouldn't have made the pun? See, that sounds to me like you're not holding him accountable. Like, not even a little, teensey, weensey bit.
And since when did something have to kill people to qualify as something that shouldn't be done?
He wasn't thinking about Dunn's family. He was thinking about drunk driving in general, made a pun of questionable taste, which Dunn's friends and family took offense to.
Yep. And that's something he shouldn't have done. Just like the poem he wrote. He shouldn't have done that either.
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So what is your excuse for being so outraged? Were you a friend or family member? Where is your outrage for a drunk person killing himself and his passenger? You seem more upset about a Tweet than the actual event itself, which is a bit disconcerting in and of itself.
Me? Oh, I'm just aggravated that so many people seem to be fine with hurting people that had nothing to do with an event because of the cause of said event. I'm aggravated that someone that likes the public eye seems to have used a tragedy to direct traffic to their social media pages. In short, I'm aggravated because someone behaved like an a-hole.
And that last line is just plain off. If you'd read all of my posts you'd have seen where I commented on the fact that it was a tragedy and how I personally feel about drunk driving and why. It's all there. If anyone wants to talk about it, I'm totally fine with that. Thing is, most people here seem much more interested in defending someone that decided having their opinion heard trumped decency. So that's what I've been talking about. That and - as I've also stated here - a fiery crash that killed two people as the result of one of them deciding to drive drunk is a pretty damned stern message on its own. I don't, unlike Ebert and others here, think that needs embellishment.
Didn't you just write out a string that absolved Ebert of guilt by saying that if Dunn didn't drive drunk Ebert wouldn't have made the pun? See, that sounds to me like you're not holding him accountable. Like, not even a little, teensey, weensey bit.
Nothing of the sort, I simply provided the chain of events and what the first link in the chain was. I also said that his friends and family are displacing their anger.
That does not mean that he is not being held accountable. People should always be held accountable. He actually holds himself accountable as well.
And since when did something have to kill people to qualify as something that shouldn't be done?
Who said that? I am simply using the two "actions" in this situation to reference each other. "I killed two people" vs. "I said something of questionable taste." You tell me the greater wrong.
Yep. And that's something he shouldn't have done. Just like the poem he wrote. He shouldn't have done that either.
And he apologized for the insensitivity.
There was only one wrong in this chain of events. Dude drank too much, got in a car, and drove, killing two people. Anything that happens after that is fallout and/or irrelevant, unless people can learn from it.
Nothing of the sort, I simply provided the chain of events and what the first link in the chain was. I also said that his friends and family are displacing their anger.
That does not mean that he is not being held accountable. People should always be held accountable. He actually holds himself accountable as well.
Except they're not displacing their anger. If Ebert did something to make them angry, that's squarely where the anger should go.
Who said that? I am simply using the two "actions" in this situation to reference each other. "I killed two people" vs. "I said something of questionable taste." You tell me the greater wrong.
I'm not sure why this even matters as I've never tried to say the two wrongs were equivalent. One was more wrong than the other. So what? Both are still wrong, right?
And he apologized for the insensitivity.
That's great. Too bad it doesn't erase what was said from memory. Anyhoo, I'm basically finished with him. He said it, he apologized and there's nothing more that can really be expected. That he's being defended is what kinda bothers me now.
Look. You are not going to convince me that he said anything wrong. Insensitive, I can agree with for sure. But not wrong.
There was only one wrong in this chain of events. Dude drank too much, got in a car, and drove, killing two people. Anything that happens after that is fallout and/or irrelevant, unless people can learn from it.
Fine. Obviously I disagree. I happen to think it's wrong to add to pain when you don't have to. A tragedy happened and talking about it in such a way isn't going to do anything positive. To me, he was wrong. I've said all I really can. So, I guess that's it. I'm ok with that.
The truth hurts. Sometimes it hurts more when you don't want to hear it.
Sometimes it hurts more when everyone already knows the truth and you start poking it with a stick going "haha".
That is to say, poking an open wound with a stick is a dick move.
Ebert is being held accountable, but his actions pale in comparison. His statement didn't kill two people.
We don't know that. Words can kill and some people might have been pushed over the edge ;)
He wasn't thinking about Dunn's family.
Obviously. If he was, he wouldn't have said what he said.
He was thinking about drunk driving in general, made a pun of questionable taste, which Dunn's friends and family took offense to.
No. His words were clearly aimed at Dunn, and therefore, his family.
You seem more upset about a Tweet than the actual event itself, which is a bit disconcerting in and of itself.
Dunn proved himself to be a worthless human being by driving drunk and killing his passenger. Ebert proved himself to be almost as worthless by making the comments he made so soon after the death and harming Dunn's family members.
And he apologized for the insensitivity.
His appology is worthless. Anyone who is capable of making such callous remarks is incapable of being genuinely sorry about it. He made those comments for the shock value to boost his facebook/twitter accounts, because he is an ass, or both. Saying, I'm sorry it was insensitive the following day does not mean anything.
Can we still be BFFs??
Of course. This stuff ain't no thang.
Sometimes ya ain't gonna get people to agree with yer PoV. If ya can't live with that, ya won't live long.
Considering that he didn't even have to apologize? *shrug* Again, you are entitled to your opinion.
Meanwhile, we'll wait and see how genuine Dunn's apology is.
Can we still be BFFs??
Of course. This stuff ain't no thang.
Sometimes ya ain't gonna get people to agree with yer PoV. If ya can't live with that, ya won't live long.
Yep, I get that. My RL friends debate about this kind of stuff all the time, and more sketchy stuff obviously. The mods can't get us in real life.
But we're all still tight.I still respect your opinions (and all opinions shared), regardless of whether mine are respected.
Considering that he didn't even have to apologize? *shrug* Again, you are entitled to your opinion.
Meanwhile, we'll wait and see how genuine Dunn's apology is.
It's the "famous person" mindset these days. They feel that they can say virtually anything they want, so long as they "apologize for the insensitivity later that day or the next day." It's BS and I will call them on it.
As for Dunn, I imagine that wherever he is feeling quite sorry right now.
It's the "famous person" mindset these days. They feel that they can say virtually anything they want, so long as they "apologize for the insensitivity later that day or the next day." It's BS and I will call them on it.
As for Dunn, I imagine that wherever he is feeling quite sorry right now.
To be fair, I am fairly certain that that comment (or similar comments) was made hundreds of times before it was made infamous by Ebert's Tweet. The dilemma is that Ebert's Tweet is more public than the corner watering hole. It's not like it was a big stretch or overly clever.
But yes, for the most part, I agree with that sentiment.
Yep, I get that. My RL friends debate about this kind of stuff all the time, and more sketchy stuff obviously. The mods can't get us in real life.
I still respect your opinions (and all opinions shared), regardless of whether mine are respected.
Yeah, I can respect an opinion even if I disagree with it. We forget we have that option when we're on the toobz occasionally, though. Heh.
