Still owed $12 million, he doesn't feel he's fit to earn it. So he's leaving it behind.
I doubt it but he's certainly earned my respect for this.
He didn't want to play another year.
They didn't want to pay him another 12 million.
They agreed to call it even. I fail to see how this is some big moral victory or what not. Two parties agreed that their current contract was no longer benificial and agreed to end it early, whats the big deal?
That he could have played like crap for another year because even though he's not worth the money, he'd still get it if he decided to come to practice and suck badly for the rest of the year, because they'd be forced to pay him regardless of how well he was doing.
That is how a contract works. By that reasoning signing a contract at all is immoral.
/shrug
Seeing as I could comfortably live on what he's already earned for the rest of my life, I'm not sure I see it as a big mark of anything for him to walk away from the last 12 million, but eh.
That is how a contract works. By that reasoning signing a contract at all is immoral.
I'm really too tired to argue, so whatever. I think this is a good thing, and I'm glad there's still people out there who will say no to money they have not really earned.
That is how a contract works. By that reasoning signing a contract at all is immoral.
I'm really too tired to argue, so whatever. I think this is a good thing, and I'm glad there's still people out there who will say no to money they have not really earned.
Fine, have it your way. Spend all your time arguing with Jesse then.
So I had a whole reply and then I read your post again and noticed I was responding to the wrong thing so I'll try again.
Anyway I think the point is that mainly the pitcher in question didn't so much decide it was mutually beneficial to end the contract, because for him it would've been a piece of cake to cash the 12million doing just about nothing if he simply showed up.
So in the end I think it was beneficial for the company and his team, but not for him at all, and he still decided that apparently the benefits to the team weighed in more heavily then his own in this situation, so he decided to call the contract even though it just mostly costs his 12 million and nets him nothing/very little.
That's the moral victory here. Ending a contract that is beneficial to you, because you feel you no longer have the moral right to that contract, even if you still have the legal right to it.
At least that's what I'm reading from it. Also apologies for the snappy message, I woke up in a really foul mood this morning and I'm glad it passed.
That is how a contract works. By that reasoning signing a contract at all is immoral.
I'm really too tired to argue, so whatever. I think this is a good thing, and I'm glad there's still people out there who will say no to money they have not really earned.
Fine, have it your way. Spend all your time arguing with Jesse then.
oh lord, jealous? ;] and I'm glad you feel better plu
I find it truly deplorable that atheletes are paid so much that they have the option to say no to 12 million. Truly disgusting wealth thrown at people who play a game for a living. Our society is sick, in all ways and meanings of the word.
I find myself agreeing with boraxe again.
I find it truly deplorable that atheletes are paid so much that they have the option to say no to 12 million. Truly disgusting wealth thrown at people who play a game for a living. Our society is sick, in all ways and meanings of the word.
Oh, I agree. It's just that inside of this sick world, this seemed like a decent thing for someone to do.
I mean both are playing games for a living...
Ah well.
I find it truly deplorable that atheletes are paid so much that they have the option to say no to 12 million. Truly disgusting wealth thrown at people who play a game for a living. Our society is sick, in all ways and meanings of the word.
Right? It's like, woah! These people bringing in all this cash, what the hell do they do to warrant their paychecks, ya know? I mean, who in their right mind would envision an industry where people get payed large sums of money for making large sums of money for a business? It's insanity I say!
Yeah, he easily could have come in for training, injured himself (that's part of the reason for his retirement - his arm is shot (thanks in part to a coach of his)) and then rode the pine to the tune of $12 million. No work, no contribution.
Now, see, to me, showing up for training with a busted arm is a negative. Injuring yourself is a major negative, and sitting on benches around the world doing nothing but nursing my (possibly irrepairably) damaged arm and getting booed, well, well worth suffering through for 12 mil. But If I already had 30+ million? Much trickier. I think I would be tempted to say screw it as well, and not risk the pain or hassle, retire a year earlier while your arm still works.
I also find it amusing that if you tell people you play football for a living, they'll all understand and encourage you, and if you say you play video games for a living, they call you crazy.
I mean both are playing games for a living...
Ah well.
Well, it's infinitely more fun watching a superior athlete perform against other superior athletes in a game than it is to watch some pimply faced teen pwn at CoD.
Now, see, to me, showing up for training with a busted arm is a negative. Injuring yourself is a major negative, and sitting on benches around the world doing nothing but nursing my (possibly irrepairably) damaged arm and getting booed, well, well worth suffering through for 12 mil. But If I already had 30+ million? Much trickier. I think I would be tempted to say screw it as well, and not risk the pain or hassle, retire a year earlier while your arm still works.
That's a fair point. It's a lot easier to say no to some more of something you already have a lot of.
Well, it's infinitely more fun watching a superior athlete perform against other superior athletes in a game than it is to watch some pimply faced teen pwn at CoD.
You don't watch the pimply faced teen, you watch the screen that's showing the game
I consider it a lot more interesting to see, too. Interestingly, I went to school and used to work with a guy that made a ton of money playin' vidya games. He was even on some TV show on G4 or whatever. Some sort of reality show that had players livin' in a house together an' doin' vidya game related stuff. I never watched it but I did see commercials for it. He was as much of an ass on TV as he was in real life. Heh.Wait, why am I defending them? Eh, whatever.
Not to mention that I'd much rather look at the awesome graphics of a videogame over some dudes running on a field of green.
You defend everyone. I am sure you could make a case for Hitler or Peewee Herman.
PeeWee Herman?
What's wrong with PeeWee? Besides getting caught spanking the monkey?
And EE doesn't so much "defend" people as he just submits different ways to think about/look at things without being ridiculous and baiting.
And that's one of the reasons I like him so much. He has caused me, personally, to think about and approach some things differently than I had been.
*shrug*
He is a good guy in my book.
I can imagine it not "doing" it for a lot of people (just like normal sports don't do anything for me), but the silly part is that many people actively ridicule or burn down professional video game players and not professional athletes, despite both types doing essentially the same thing, play games for money
Well, athletes are, you know, doing something. Something that requires more than pushing a few buttons in the right order at the right time (we'll call the required - and activity specific - intellect equal). So, to me, watching someone do something that's really happening is more interesting. Appreciating graphics is nice, but it isn't the player that's a' makin' 'em. Meh, I'm old and grumpy.
Especially not when you call it "pushing a few buttons at the right time", because the fair comparison in that regard to football for example would be "kicking a ball into a net". It's way more complicated then that.
Check the start of this video for an example of how much these guys are "doing" on a physical level. I dunno about you, but my fingers would fall off after 5 minutes of that
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q
If your after pretty animation, watch a cartoon, or play yourself. Hell, go watch some Machinema.
And I do call the intellect levels equal because, quite honestly, they are. Baseball, football, basketball, soccer, boxing, MMA, tennis, whatever are all complex, layered sports that involve much more than body alone. Especially team sports. So many people watch football (American) and just see some guy run through some other guys. What they don't see is how one lineman pulled from his position after the hike of the ball to deal with the linebacker that's shooting the gap created by the center and a guard, how the receiver faked an outside move, went to a slant and then tied up the corner, how the entire line is pushing forward as they move on an angle and how the back sees that this didn't work but the motion did and follows the hole created by the motion on the other side of the play. Hell, most don't even know that linemen prefer run plays because it allows them to move forward to attack the defense and that pass plays make them move backwards and then force them to face the defensive players that get that extra time to build up steam. So yeah, the intellect required is the same. At least. ;)
If your after pretty animation, watch a cartoon, or play yourself.
The pretty animation is a bonus, and I do play myself. I mainly watch the pro's to learn new stuff
So yeah, the intellect required is the same. At least.
I'm not willing to believe that so easily, since I've not played professional sports myself (of either type) and the kind of thinking that goes into (good) video games is easily on the same level with that. They might be equal but I'm not going to buy that football is more complicated because they practice a lot of plays, because videogamers do the same thing
Plu- Your avatar looks suspiciously like the troll from the Heroscape Underdark set...
I'm not willing to believe that so easily, since I've not played professional sports myself (of either type) and the kind of thinking that goes into (good) video games is easily on the same level with that. They might be equal but I'm not going to buy that football is more complicated because they practice a lot of plays, because videogamers do the same thing
It's not just practicing a lot of plays, though. There's no script to follow and a unit's role in a play can change at any time. An individual's role can change at any time. You're playing against people and have to react to them. Watch Payton Manning. As much as he annoys me, he's a fantastic example of how cerebral a dumb jock's game can be. He takes every second he has on the clock to adjust plays to work against what he sees. The defense adjusts to him, he counters. It's not some clever piece of code built to puzzle a player into frustration, it's real life strategy. Anyhoo, I'm happy with callin' it equal, really. The thing is, people that don't like sports don't watch sports and, therefore, don't 'get' sports properly. It's the little things that make it interesting, IMO. But yeah, I'm happy enough with 'equal'.
Lets stick with equal, because even the physical part (while certainly different) for a pro can be pretty intense, at least with regards to hand-eye-coördination and manual dexterity.
Plushy still dosn't understand why people who have no problem watching people do a variety of difficult things really well would scoff at watching a bunch of people sit around and push buttons really well?
So, where does that leave the current discussion?
Plushy still dosn't understand why people who have no problem watching people do a variety of difficult things really well would scoff at watching a bunch of people sit around and push buttons really well?
*shrug*
He likely never will.
I, on the other hand, see a huge difference between real, physical sports and video games.
If we're going to denigrate difficult tasks, might as well do it on both sides.
If we're going to denigrate difficult tasks, might as well do it on both sides.
I think you mistake the point of denigrating difficult tasks.
Or have you completely missed how every time the winter Olympics come around you have a whole crowd of people saying that figure skating shouldn't be part of it?
Can you explain your position? I'm not sure I'm following. Might also be the late hour though. Need sleep.