Baseball Playoffs Thread

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#1

scypio

Oct 06, 2010 12:09:51

Well, I know that baseball is often times overlooked here, but the playoffs are upon us!

Three teams need every game in the season to determine who was going on and luckily the Braves got the wildcard on the last game of the season. I ordered my Jay-Hey jersey yesterday and I'm hoping the Braves can win a few more games for Bobby Cox. But its not looking too good right now.

What I want to happen:
Braves over Giants
Reds over Phillies
Rays over Rangers
Twins over Yankees

What I think will happen:
Giants over Braves
Phillies over Reds
Rays over Rangers
Yankees over Twins

But the MLB playoffs are really hard to predict.

#2

zombie_babies

Oct 07, 2010 11:59:28
What is this 'baseball' you speak of?  We folk near Cleveland don't know anything about it ...
#3

scypio

Oct 07, 2010 12:34:09
Its that thing that you do and then your players all leave... like CC and Cliff Lee.

If anyone cares, Roy Halladay threw a no-hitter yesterday. Only the second no-hitter in playoff history (the other was a perfect game). Dang, the Phillies are set up for the post-season.
#4

zombie_babies

Oct 07, 2010 12:56:40
Yeah, at least Cleveland has that claim to fame.  We're the best damned farm team in the MLB. 

Re: the no hitter.  Wasn't there some record amount of no hitters or perfect games this year?  Seemed every bit of baseball news I heard was about a no hitter or perfect game.  Or, you know, that Met what kicked his baby momma's dad's ass in front of a bunch of people.
#5

scypio

Oct 07, 2010 14:17:02
Yeah, Cleveland is probably better than Pittsburg at producing talent. And they have a playoff appearance every blue moon to help out.

There has been an insane amount of perfect games and no hitters. I'm not sure if its a record, but it definately seems like it should be, although baseball sometimes has weird records and there was the whole "dead ball" era.

The speculation is that its because the hitting hasn't readjusted from the lack of steriods. But who knows. I'm happy though 'cuz I like 2-1 games much more than 10-8 games.

And K-Rod (Francisco Rodriguez), the closer of the Mets, not only punched out his baby momma's dad in front of people at the Mets family facilaty, but apparently he hurt his hand doing so. So instead of just being a scumbag, he became a scumbag who wasn't paid for half the season. They could get out of not paying him because his injury didn't involve baseball activities. Pretty funny, huh? Stupid Mets.
#6

zombie_babies

Oct 07, 2010 14:52:17
Yep, the Pittsburgh ownership is actually worse than the guys in Cleveland.  'Course the Pirates also make an asston of money for their owners as-is.  Not likely to change any time soon.

I wonder if it's the steroids thing.  I mean, pitchers were taking steroids, too, so it seems like if there'd be a performance drop in hitters, it'd hit the pitchers as well.  Plus 'roids do not a good hitter make.  You don't lose vision and coordination when you drop the 'roids. 

And that Mets dood is a mess.  Hopefully they'll be able to convert the contract to unguaranteed and drop him.
#7

scypio

Oct 07, 2010 15:04:44
Its hard to tell because obviously both sides were cheating. But the extra strength could cause a fly ball out to turn into a HR. Homerun numbers seem to be back to a reasonable level this year. But who really knows, right?

I definately think the game is better now.

And I hope the Mets can't get out of his contract. But that's mainly because I hate 'em Mets and would love to see them with yet another horrible contract on their books.
#8

zombie_babies

Oct 07, 2010 15:16:45
Heh, it would be kinda funny and totally Mets-ish if they couldn't get out of it.  As far as the rest, if them 'roids did one thing for certain, it's to have made it impossible to know what was really going on in baseball for quite and extended period of time.  And it hit everything. 
#9

scypio

Oct 07, 2010 15:22:28

My pet peeve with steriods is how baseball gets unfairly focused upon. Yes, its comical to make fun of. Whenever someone has a big year, especially in the HR category, I'll make jokes about steriods. But I hate how the other sports get a free pass.

Like in the NFL, Brian Cushing won rookie of the year and was later busted for steriods. So they had a re-vote for rookie of the year and guess who won... it was Brian Cushing.

Anyway, the Tampa Ray (who I liked) look horrible and apparently will go down 0-2 so they're pretty much done. Stupid Rays.

#10

zombie_babies

Oct 07, 2010 16:09:31
Yeah, baseball does get targeted more for some reason.  Maybe because it's such a game of stats and people feel that 'roids skew 'em?  Maybe cuz it's 'America's pasttime'?  I dunno.

Never liked the Rays - unless they're playin' New York or Boston.  Don't their fans hate 'em, too or is that the Marlins?
#11

scypio

Oct 08, 2010 7:46:39
Both of their fans just don't care. Its always funny to see highlights of Marlins games and the stadium is empty. Yeah, baseball in Florida isn't very strong which is a shame since they put together good teams every now and then.

And you're probably right about baseball getting more blame because its a game of stats.
#12

zombie_babies

Oct 08, 2010 8:16:57
There was a recent article about baseball in Cleveland.  It's nearly dead.  They used to sell out constantly.  Now?  Yeah, it's totally not the place to be.  And now that LeBron's gone, the Q will be dead too.  Yay Cleveland?
#13

scypio

Oct 08, 2010 8:23:34
I don't know much about the Indian's finances, but if you used to be able to sell out, why can't you put out a $70-80 Million team? I understand that you can't keep players like Cliff Lee and CC Sabbathia, but I don't think they needed to blow up their team that much.

But yeah, I have no idea about their finances or their ownership.
#14

zombie_babies

Oct 08, 2010 8:28:14
I believe there was an ownership change after the good years.  For whatever reason, they decided to start completely over.  We got guys like Sizemore and the like in the hope of eventually developing a new contender.  Well, that was what they told us.  In reality, they just gave up.  We get good guys, develop them and then let them go or get rid of 'em for the next young kid to develop.  It's starting to look like a Pirates situation but I dunno what's actually going on - if it's intentional or if they're just totally inept.
#15

scypio

Oct 08, 2010 9:16:06
Oh, and since I didn't say it earlier: F the stupid Giants and Buster Posey's phantom steal. The umpires have been really bad this post-season so far.

And yeah, I think ownership is a huge problem in baseball. You have owners who seem to have no problem pocketing their earnings and keeping their teams in the dredges of the league.
#16

zombie_babies

Oct 08, 2010 9:28:05
Yep, it literally pays to field a loser.  Smaller markets want to do this, too.  No cap means it ain't worth it to spend huge on players cuz you'll have a tough time recouping it.  Why not make those big market teams pay you to suck then?  I mean, I can see the appeal.  Can't beat 'em?  Make 'em pay ya.  That's why I'm firmly opposed to capless sports organizations.  It's all bad.
#17

scypio

Oct 08, 2010 9:38:50
I honestly would put a huge range if I were to cap/floor the MLB. It'd probably be something like $50-75 Million minimum and $150-175 Million maximum. I think a big range is fine, but some teams just go overboard. They have some things like compensatory picks which help when your good players leave so its not too horrible.

I actually always argue about the NBA salary situation with my brother. He seems to think its the best while I think its pointlessly complicated while accomplishing nothing.
#18

zombie_babies

Oct 08, 2010 9:43:17
It is better than baseball, IMO, but it really can be worked around.  That whole cap tax thing or whatever it's called allows some shenanigans to go on, sure, but aside from a few well known terrible ownership situations, parity is far better.  And you can see a power swing every year.  One year, a team is terrible.  The next they could be playoff good.  Basball?  Notsomuch.  Anyhoo, I think the NFL works (worked) the best, really.  Any lack of parity there could be blamed on terrible coaching, ownership issues or major injuries.  I think the money has less to do with it there.  And that's why the owners want to change everything.
#19

Idolis

Oct 08, 2010 14:55:56
Not that its really playoff related, I did want to throw my two cents in on the salary thing as it pertains to one player.

I'm a St. Louis Cardinals fan, always have been always will be. Albert Pujols is in my opinion the best hitter to ever play the game and his defense could be argued to be one of the best making him one of the best all around player to have ever played the game.

Well, earlier in the season the Phillies decided to give Ryan Howard 100-150 million plus (though I'm not sure over how many years, I want to say 10 but I'm just not certain.) Anyway as soon as that story broke the fans in St. Louis groaned a little.

I mean, I think Pujols' contract comes up at the end of next year and it would be in the Cardinals best interest to try to get a contract before then. The problem is the ownership already spent a truckload of money to bring Matt Holiday to the Cardinals as protection for Pujols and it showed in their performance this year.

St. Louis has a pretty good farm system but they proved this year that you can't surround two player with a bunch of rookies and expect to get to the playoffs (not that some rookies didn't show some great promise like Jon Jay or Colby Rasmus {I don't want to talk about Rasmus though, if the jerk wants to be traded then trade his ass})

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is Pujols deserves a contract of around 200 million but I just don't know if the Cardinals organization can afford it and expect to compete. My fear is the Red Sox or Yankees may sieze this oportunity to snag a sure fire hall of famer. Pujols has said he wants to stay in St. Louis but loyalty to the Cardinals is only going to get you so far. It worries me that he'll pass on the Cards if enough money is thrown at him.

Anyway again, I'm hoping he's willing to give the Cardinals a discount but there is going to be a lot of money thrown his way.

Sheesh, sorry about the wall of text.
#20

scypio

Oct 08, 2010 15:05:31
I'm not a Pujols fan (for no good reason), but he definately is a great hitter. I just find it a little hard to talk about the defense of a first baseman and consider him an all time great all around player. His hitting is definately there, but when you consider the all time greats who play center field, then its hard to compare defense. But that doesn't mean he's not an all time great player.

But for his contract, I think its in the best interest to lock him up before he can smell free agency. You don't want the Sox (the Yanks locked up Tex so they probably won't be in the mix) to make a run at him. And I don't know the Card's salary situation, but I assume if they can give Holliday such a massive deal, they have to have money for Pujols. But I guess the problem is if they have the money for Holliday, Pujols, and their pitchers.

And honestly, its good when players like Pujols (or Mauer) stay in their markets. If the Twins can keep Mauer, there's definately hope that the Card's can keep Pujols.
#21

Idolis

Oct 08, 2010 15:46:34
I can see where a lot of fans of the game are not fans of Pujols. It doesn't help his case when the division he plays in is one of the worst in the league with teams like the Cubs and Pirates and Reds before GM Walt Jockity {sp?} went to them.

There's a reason the Cardinals are a perenial playoff team. Yeah, and the pitching too. Wainwright and Carpenter are just awesome.

And then there are the Duncan's project pitchers. Like you said though, the money is the problem. It all depends on if the Cardinals are gonna spend like a small market team or the big market team they actually are.

In fact, I would argue that the Cardinals market is bigger than the Boston and New York (individually) because it encompasses most of Missouri, some of Kansas, all of Southern Illinois, Northern Arkansas, most of Oklahoma (if not all), and portions of other states that border or are in close proximity of Missouri.

It kind of funny when people talk about big market and small market teams and people throw St. Louis in the mix when for the most part their salaries are more in line with the smaller market teams. It helps when almost every home game is sold out and in recent years they've decided to spend like big market teams, I'm hoping that trend continues.
#22

MechaPilot

Oct 08, 2010 16:11:23
Ah yes.  Baseball.  The game that proves watching paint dry can be a sport if you drink beer while watching it.
#23

Idolis

Oct 08, 2010 19:40:28

What's the deal? The thread title says its about baseball. If you don't want to discuss it, then don't post. No need to crap all over the thread like that.

#24

MechaPilot

Oct 08, 2010 19:49:02
I didn't crap on the thread.  I don't have a problem with discussing baseball.  I even participated by saying how I genuinely feel about watching baseball.  It also happens to be how I feel about watching fishing and golf too.  I respect that other people have different opinions about the sport.  Likewise I respect that each of those opinions are as valid as my own.  For me however, whenever America's pasttime airs on tv it's already pasttime for me to change the channel.
#25

scypio

Oct 11, 2010 8:47:21
Their pitching looks like it can be good for a while if they decide to keep their talent since that Garcia kid (?) had a great season. And I honestly would want Pujols to stay in St. Louis so hopefully management decides to open up their wallets and keep their players.

But talking about the actual playoffs, f'ing Braves and their lack of defense. They waste two excellent pitching performances (by Lowe and Hudson) with bad defense. In game 1, Infante lets a ball roll under his glove which allowed the only run of the game to score. In game 3, Conrad had 3 errors, 1 which allowed the first Giant run and one which allowed the winning Giants run.

But at the same time, its hard to destroy them since those two wouldn't even be playing if it weren't for the massive amounts of injuries. Infante is basically the backup second baseman who's playing third (because of injuries to the two third basemen ahead of him) and Conrad is a rookie playing second who would be third on the depth charts there.

Its a real shame if Bobby Cox's career ends because of defensive lapses, but at least he made the playoffs one last time. Hopefully Atlanta's management doesn't decide to cut payroll next year and the team can use this year as a learning experience. But with that said, they're still alive and hopefully Lowe can force a fifth game.