Bigfoot?

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#1

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 13:42:14
I was reading a section in a book yesterday about Bigfoot, and it got me thinking. What do all of you think about it1?


My view
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It's easy to dismiss the notion at first but there are a number of pieces of solid evidence in favor of its existence. For one, an alleged footprint was once found that had dermal ridges (essentially fingerprints on your toes). An oft-cited argument against its existence is that no one has ever found a body of one. However, we very, very, very rarely find the bodies of dead bears (ones that weren't killed by people, obviously) so that argument dosen't hold water. Additionally, a species of apes called Gigantopithecus once lived in Asia (where many reported sightings of Yetis etc arre found) and they could have migrated to the Americas over the Berring Strait.

#2

jetshield

Jun 17, 2013 14:25:10


Wait...."possibility" in "any form"?

Okay. I'll give you that.
#3

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 17, 2013 14:26:41
I was reading a section in a book yesterday about Bigfoot, and it got me thinking. What do all of you think about it1?


My view

It's easy to dismiss the notion at first but there are a number of pieces of solid evidence in favor of its existence.

There is no solid evidence.
For one, an alleged footprint was once found that had dermal ridges (essentially fingerprints on your toes).

Fake. 
An oft-cited argument against its existence is that no one has ever found a body of one. However, we very, very, very rarely find the bodies of dead bears (ones that weren't killed by people, obviously) so that argument dosen't hold water.

Or, and more than likely, people don't report finding dead animals in a forrest. How often do you hear reports of a dead lizard in a forrest? How often are dead deer reported? Did you hear about that fallen tree branch in the forrest?  
Additionally, a species of apes called Gigantopithecus once lived in Asia (where many reported sightings of Yetis etc arre found) and they could have migrated to the Americas over the Berring Strait. 

Gigantopithecus
lived about 9 million years ago and we are still able to find bones. How is it that we can't find anything from a bigfoot?


1That is, the possibility of the existence of a Sasquatch in any form.

He actually does exist. He even wrote a book.

#4

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 17, 2013 14:27:34


Wait...."possibility" in "any form"?

Okay. I'll give you that.

You're thinking imaginary form, aren't you?

#5

jetshield

Jun 17, 2013 14:30:49
Sort of. I think I recall seeing a Bigfoot or Sasquatch action figure once.
#6

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 17, 2013 14:32:43
There is a picture of him in his memoirs. Does that count?
#7

draco1119

Jun 17, 2013 14:37:56
Photographic evidence!
#8

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 15:12:13


Wait...."possibility" in "any form"?

Okay. I'll give you that.

#9

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 15:18:11
I was reading a section in a book yesterday about Bigfoot, and it got me thinking. What do all of you think about it1?


My view

It's easy to dismiss the notion at first but there are a number of pieces of solid evidence in favor of its existence.

There is no solid evidence.


Call it what you will.


For one, an alleged footprint was once found that had dermal ridges (essentially fingerprints on your toes).

Fake.


Fair.

An oft-cited argument against its existence is that no one has ever found a body of one. However, we very, very, very rarely find the bodies of dead bears (ones that weren't killed by people, obviously) so that argument dosen't hold water.

Or, and more than likely, people don't report finding dead animals in a forrest. How often do you hear reports of a dead lizard in a forrest? How often are dead deer reported? Did you hear about that fallen tree branch in the forrest?



And yet scientists find deer bodies.


 
Additionally, a species of apes called Gigantopithecus once lived in Asia (where many reported sightings of Yetis etc arre found) and they could have migrated to the Americas over the Berring Strait. 

Gigantopithecus
lived about 9 million years ago and we are still able to find bones. How is it that we can't find anything from a bigfoot?


There's a marked difference between people going on huge, grant-funded digs to find bones that may or may not have been exposed by changing environmental conditions and looking for a recent body in a giant forest with one or two people to help you with flashlights. It's simply not an accurate equivalence.



1That is, the possibility of the existence of a Sasquatch in any form.

He actually does exist. He even wrote a book.





Nice.
#10

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 15:23:14
Photographic evidence!

draco, quick! Email that to Alex Jones!
#11

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 15:25:32
But really now, this troll thread was too easy. Any more opinions to share?
#12

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 17, 2013 15:36:09
Call it what you will.

You're the one that called is solid. 
And yet scientists find deer bodies.

Exactly! Just like people find dead bears in the forrest, and fallen branches. People just don't have a need to report it. There is nothing special about a dead animal in a forrest. 
So your claim that
An oft-cited argument against its existence is that no one has ever found a body of one. However, we very, very, very rarely find the bodies of dead bears (ones that weren't killed by people, obviously) so that argument dosen't hold water.

"doesn't hold water."
There's a marked difference between people going on huge, grant-funded digs to find bones that may or may not have been exposed by changing environmental conditions and looking for a recent body in a giant forest with one or two people to help you with flashlights. It's simply not an accurate equivalence.

According to the Gigantopithecus wiki article,
The first Gigantopithecus remains described by an anthropologist were found in 1935 byRalph von Koenigswald in an apothecary shop.

and 

In 1955, 47 G. blacki teeth were found among a shipment of 'dragon bones' (aka, "oracle bones") in China. Tracing these teeth to their source resulted in recovery of more teeth and a rather complete large mandible.
Those don't sound like huge, grant funded digs. ;)


#13

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 16:01:56
Damnit HS. I try to pull some nutters in here with a classic topic for the crazies and you have to actually challenge what arguments I made up off of the top of my head instead of just going with it.

#14

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 17, 2013 16:07:37
I suggest you go look in the non-existant group for the answers you are looking for.
#15

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 16:09:16
I suggest you go look in the non-existant group for the answers you are looking for.

#16

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Jun 17, 2013 19:32:10
Gigantopithecus (no matter the subspecies) wouldn't actually be able to cross the Bering Strait land bridge. It was last around during the last Ice Age. It linked Siberia and Alaska. Gigantopithecus, like most great apes, was a tropical animal.
#17

jetshield

Jun 17, 2013 19:39:43
If dinosaurs could build boats and colonize the world, why couldn't Gigantopithecus?
#18

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Jun 17, 2013 20:10:35
If dinosaurs could build boats and colonize the world, why couldn't Gigantopithecus?


Seeing as Pangaea hadn't broken up fully by the Early-to-Mid Triassic (when dinosaurs began to appear), they just walked. Gigantopithecus wouldn't get that advantage.
#19

jetshield

Jun 17, 2013 20:23:46
The continents have always been much as they are now, there was never any "Pangea", it is absurd to hold that the continents are constantly drifting to and fro over the ocean.
#20

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 20:25:52
Gigantopithecus (no matter the subspecies) wouldn't actually be able to cross the Bering Strait land bridge. It was last around during the last Ice Age. It linked Siberia and Alaska. Gigantopithecus, like most great apes, was a tropical animal.

Yes, I know.
#21

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 17, 2013 20:26:22
The continents have always been much as they are now, there was never any "Pangea", it is absurd to hold that the continents are constantly drifting to and fro over the ocean.

Right? Seriously, you'd need some pretty big currents to move those things.
#22

jetshield

Jun 17, 2013 21:34:02
Exactly! The very idea that there are as-yet undiscovered ocean currents that are strong enough to move whole continents is ridiculous beyond imagining.
#23

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Jun 17, 2013 21:40:44
Who said anything about ocean currents ;) ?
That would be absurd. No, the continents move infinitesimally slowly due to the arcane powers of an unspeakably ancient cabal of immortal sorcerers.
#24

jetshield

Jun 17, 2013 21:46:37
Now you're just being silly. You can't refute my facts so you mock them instead hoping no one will notice.
#25

The_Silversword

Jun 17, 2013 23:04:13
There is no contineantal drift, the planet has been expanding, duh, I thought everyone new that.

 
#26

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 18, 2013 7:28:25
Who said anything about ocean currents ;) ?
That would be absurd. No, the continents move infinitesimally slowly due to the arcane powers of an unspeakably ancient cabal of immortal sorcerers.

Look, honey, I know you have a fact problem but this is absurd. Come back when you learn to debate, n00b.
#27

draco1119

Jun 18, 2013 8:21:20
CJ, why would you hack poor CHIA's account?
#28

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 18, 2013 8:25:16
CJ, why would you hack poor CHIA's account?

And the usual liberal meathead shows up.
#29

alternate_actor

Jun 18, 2013 16:00:03
CJ, why would you hack poor CHIA's account?

And the usual liberal meathead shows up.


And Hoodsie has hacked CHIAs!
#30

jetshield

Jun 18, 2013 19:04:50
There is no contineantal drift, the planet has been expanding, duh, I thought everyone new that.


As far as RETs go, that isn't too bad. There's also the Whole-Earth Decompression Dynamics theory out there. Unfortunately both are flawed in their most basic assumption.
#31

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 18, 2013 19:09:02
There is no contineantal drift, the planet has been expanding, duh, I thought everyone new that.


As far as RETs go, that isn't too bad. There's also the Whole-Earth Decompression Dynamics theory out there. Unfortunately both are flawed in their most basic assumption.



I'm guessing Space Jesus?
#32

jetshield

Jun 18, 2013 19:12:39
Ummmm no. If you had taken the time to do even the most preliminary of research into either of those theories, you'd know that neither of them involves SJ.
#33

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 18, 2013 19:18:34
Ummmm no. If you had taken the time to do even the most preliminary of research into either of those theories, you'd know that neither of them involves SJ.

Heh. You're just one of the sheeple.
#34

jetshield

Jun 18, 2013 19:27:34
If you are no longer able to constructively contribute to the discussion, please sit silently on the sidelines until such time as you have something intelligent to say.
#35

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 18, 2013 19:33:40
If you are no longer able to constructively contribute to the discussion, please sit silently on the sidelines until such time as you have something intelligent to say.


Nice. There's no discussion here. We were bringing up theories about continental drift's falseness (word?) as part of a "joke." You post one thing and get mad when someone continues the tone of the thread.
#36

grehnhewe

Jun 18, 2013 19:40:18
I could find SJ this Sunday if I wanted.  Probably easier to find than the elusive, non-existant Bigfoot?

i might be too hungover though, the hedonistic, pagan Solstice parade is on Saturday.
#37

jetshield

Jun 18, 2013 19:41:35
If you think you are capable of angering me in any way, you are sadly mistaken. While this is not a new situation for you, one would assume you would become tired of it. All I feel for you at this point is pity because you have obviously fallen into the trap of believing that the theory of continental drift is actual fact.
#38

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 18, 2013 19:42:41
...Well I feel stupid. My apologies, jet.
#39

zombie_babies

Jun 19, 2013 9:37:31
I could find SJ this Sunday if I wanted.  Probably easier to find than the elusive, non-existant Bigfoot?

i might be too hungover though, the hedonistic, pagan Solstice parade is on Saturday.



And I'll not be able to attend my local winery's par-tay.  Oh well, drink a lot for me. 
#40

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 19, 2013 9:38:24


And I'll not be able to attend my local winery's par-tay.  Oh well, drink a lot for me. 



That sucks big time, dood. Are they having a taste-testing?
#41

zombie_babies

Jun 19, 2013 9:50:27
Of course.  They bring in a bunch of other wineries from the state and you sample the stuff and buy what you like.  I don't drink a lot of wine but there are a few I enjoy.  My typical plan is to sample until I find something sweet that I can drink a glass of, buy the glass and then smoke a good cigar.  Quite nice, really.
#42

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 19, 2013 11:26:07
Of course.  They bring in a bunch of other wineries from the state and you sample the stuff and buy what you like.  I don't drink a lot of wine but there are a few I enjoy.  My typical plan is to sample until I find something sweet that I can drink a glass of, buy the glass and then smoke a good cigar.  Quite nice, really.


That does sound cool.
#43

zombie_babies

Jun 19, 2013 11:44:52
Yep.  Not a bad way to waste a few hours.  I have other plans this weekend, though.
#44

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 19, 2013 14:34:03
Of course.  They bring in a bunch of other wineries from the state and you sample the stuff and buy what you like.  I don't drink a lot of wine but there are a few I enjoy.  My typical plan is to sample until I find something sweet that I can drink a glass of, buy the glass and then smoke a good cigar.  Quite nice, really.

Savage. Fortunately I have a class you can take.

#45

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 19, 2013 14:54:17
Of course.  They bring in a bunch of other wineries from the state and you sample the stuff and buy what you like.  I don't drink a lot of wine but there are a few I enjoy.  My typical plan is to sample until I find something sweet that I can drink a glass of, buy the glass and then smoke a good cigar.  Quite nice, really.

Savage. Fortunately I have a class you can take.





Is this class in the same van as the one I took?
#46

zombie_babies

Jun 19, 2013 14:58:28
Savage. Fortunately I have a class you can take.



Meh, sweet works with a sweet cigar.  Well, too. 


#47

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 19, 2013 15:12:50
Of course.  They bring in a bunch of other wineries from the state and you sample the stuff and buy what you like.  I don't drink a lot of wine but there are a few I enjoy.  My typical plan is to sample until I find something sweet that I can drink a glass of, buy the glass and then smoke a good cigar.  Quite nice, really.

Savage. Fortunately I have a class you can take.





Is this class in the same van as the one I took?

I have no idea. I don't own a van, nor would I ever think of getting such a cheap and ugly vehicle. Peasant.

#48

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 19, 2013 15:16:18
Of course.  They bring in a bunch of other wineries from the state and you sample the stuff and buy what you like.  I don't drink a lot of wine but there are a few I enjoy.  My typical plan is to sample until I find something sweet that I can drink a glass of, buy the glass and then smoke a good cigar.  Quite nice, really.

Savage. Fortunately I have a class you can take.





Is this class in the same van as the one I took?

I have no idea. I don't own a van, nor would I ever think of getting such a cheap and ugly vehicle. Peasant.


I dunno, man. One minute I was walking down the road and the nexxt some squirrels dragged me into the back of a van and did some terrible things to me. I kinda just figured you were one of them.
#49

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 19, 2013 15:19:48
Of course.  They bring in a bunch of other wineries from the state and you sample the stuff and buy what you like.  I don't drink a lot of wine but there are a few I enjoy.  My typical plan is to sample until I find something sweet that I can drink a glass of, buy the glass and then smoke a good cigar.  Quite nice, really.

Savage. Fortunately I have a class you can take.





Is this class in the same van as the one I took?

I have no idea. I don't own a van, nor would I ever think of getting such a cheap and ugly vehicle. Peasant.


I dunno, man. One minute I was walking down the road and the nexxt some squirrels dragged me into the back of a van and did some terrible things to me. I kinda just figured you were one of them.

No. 

#50

CorranHornIsAwesome

Jun 19, 2013 15:23:29
Good thing, too.