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#1 calronmoonflower Jul 01, 2011 13:49:12	Article   [edit]Article Two[/edit] Bat insane!
#2 Ragnar_Lodbrok Jul 01, 2011 13:51:16	I concur with your assessment of Gaddafi.
#3 Cpt_Micha Jul 01, 2011 13:52:14	Does he really think his army of cavemen grade trained and equipped thugs, can take on The West?  Seriously?  He can't even push us out of his country and in all honesty, we're not even trying.
#4 Escef Jul 01, 2011 13:53:09	It's a desperation tactic. If he actually carries out the threat he's not likely to be in any postion to win his war at home (though it might take the European pressure off of him, maybe even allow him to stalemate with the revolutionaries).
#5 homicidal_squirrel Jul 01, 2011 14:22:57	Does he really think his army of cavemen grade trained and equipped thugs, can take on The West?  Seriously?  He can't even push us out of his country and in all honesty, we're not even trying. The entire West? N. France. They are probably negotiating surrender terms already.
#6 Cpt_Micha Jul 01, 2011 14:24:37	True, and we have Quebec to worry about too.
#7 homicidal_squirrel Jul 01, 2011 14:26:20	True, and we have Quebec to worry about too. I though that was just a made up place in RM's D&D homebrew campaign setting.
#8 Cpt_Micha Jul 01, 2011 14:28:24	Nah, apparently they really exist. A few of my friends in the North, have seen it (while sober no less!). It's a place of great shame and despair to an otherwise noble country apparently :p
#9 ADHadh Jul 01, 2011 14:37:52	Does he really think his army of cavemen grade trained and equipped thugs, can take on The West? I wouldn't call his soldiers "cavemen", but yeah. We have the Spanish. Show
#10 zombie_babies Jul 01, 2011 14:40:57	When you purposefully keep your military hamstrung in order to prevent it ever overthrowing you, you've destroyed any hope of having a military impact on a global scale.  Coupled with the current situation, it's a total impossiblity for his forces to do anything but what they're up to now.  His men have their hands full with guys that went through about two weeks of scrambled training, his armor can't move because it would be destroyed from the sky and his planes can't leave the hangars - let alone get off the ground - without being quickly destroyed.  The only way anything like he suggests could happen is if his people decide to take on Europe through terrorist attacks.  That's possible, I imagine.  But to act as though he may turn his army to the West is hollow propaganda plain and simple.
#11 Cpt_Micha Jul 01, 2011 14:42:08	ADHadh, when your military is so piss poorly trained that they can barely hold a rifle without shooting themselves, they have caveman training :-p
#12 Escef Jul 01, 2011 14:48:06	ADHadh, when your military is so piss poorly trained that they can barely hold a rifle without shooting themselves, they have caveman training :-p Their equipment is outdated, but I would hardly call military hardware from the 60s "caveman" level. It's still plenty dangerous. RPGs easily fall within his technological realm, and there is at least one documented case of an RPG taking down an Apache helicopter.
#13 Cpt_Micha Jul 01, 2011 14:51:47	There's been some form of RPG since ww1 so really we can't even say 60s level, because they don't even have real Armor support. (see Zb's post) They are more like a ww1 and 1/2 army against.. well the modern world. While it's possible for an RPG to down a helicopter, it's fairly unlikely unless you get a whole lot of them going at once, and it's next to impossible for one to down a Jet. The only reason him and his horrible army are even still in existence is because none of us (as in the West) really cares enough to just wipe him off the map. I'd love to see him actually try to move against Europe, because at that point he's become a 'credible threat'. I'm pretty sure the not even paying attention kiddy gloves would come off at that point.
#14 Robin_Hoodlum Jul 01, 2011 15:31:20	Meh... If 'Daffi really wanted to stir up the bees nest, he could simply use some of his chem weapons he has stashed somewhere... In any case, his days are numbered... and he knows it.
#15 lokiare Jul 01, 2011 17:10:05	Meh... If 'Daffi really wanted to stir up the bees nest, he could simply use some of his chem weapons he has stashed somewhere... In any case, his days are numbered... and he knows it. That sounds familiar... "I know from credible sources that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, even though they let us in their to look for them AND we didn't find any AND they don't have the technology or the infrastructure to produce them we are still going to go in their and free the Iraqi people...."
#16 draco1119 Jul 01, 2011 17:36:20	That sounds familiar... "I know from credible sources that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, even though they let us in their to look for them AND we didn't find any AND they don't have the technology or the infrastructure to produce them we are still going to go in their and free the Iraqi people...." “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .” Those are Bush's "Sixteen Words".  Guess what?  They were true, despite what Joe Wilson wants you to think.
#17 lokiare Jul 01, 2011 18:31:05	That sounds familiar... "I know from credible sources that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, even though they let us in their to look for them AND we didn't find any AND they don't have the technology or the infrastructure to produce them we are still going to go in their and free the Iraqi people...." “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .” Those are Bush's "Sixteen Words".  Guess what?  They were true, despite what Joe Wilson wants you to think. Sure.... "Hey guys can I buy some of that?" "Are you an idiot... no you can't buy it from us... go away before we glass your country!" Yeah... doesn't mean he had anything at all and would never get it...
#18 bone_naga Jul 01, 2011 19:25:20	That sounds familiar... "I know from credible sources that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, even though they let us in their to look for them AND we didn't find any AND they don't have the technology or the infrastructure to produce them we are still going to go in their and free the Iraqi people...." Except that he did have the technology to produce them (he already had produced chemical weapons and had a clandestine nuclear weapons program). And it's pretty sad how easy it is to hide stuff from the inspectors (let me point out that they were UN inspectors, guys from the UN, you know that organization that pretty much fails miserably at everything). Oh and then there was that bit where we did find chemical weapons there. Not to mention other weapons that they were not allowed to have but had been sold to them by France (one of the countries that was very adamant that we not go into Iraq). Oh yes and then there was that uranium that we found there. Yeah...those crazy guys talking about WMDs...
#19 bone_naga Jul 01, 2011 19:29:42	Sure.... "Hey guys can I buy some of that?" "Are you an idiot... no you can't buy it from us... go away before we glass your country!" Yeah... doesn't mean he had anything at all and would never get it... Oh, so that's why we removed tons of yellow cake uranium from Iraq.
#20 calronmoonflower Jul 01, 2011 20:56:12	Oh, so that's why we removed tons of yellow cake uranium from Iraq. Citation Needed
#21 bone_naga Jul 01, 2011 21:00:47	Oh, so that's why we removed tons of yellow cake uranium from Iraq. Citation Needed www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/ EDIT: To avoid confusion, this was old stuff (not stuff recently purchased) but Saddam's top nuclear scientist stated that the orders had been to dismantle their nuclear program until international attention waned and then restart their weapons program.
#22 Robin_Hoodlum Jul 01, 2011 23:15:01	...and BOOM goes the dynamite.
#23 lokiare Jul 02, 2011 10:18:50	Oh, so that's why we removed tons of yellow cake uranium from Iraq. Citation Needed www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/ EDIT: To avoid confusion, this was old stuff (not stuff recently purchased) but Saddam's top nuclear scientist stated that the orders had been to dismantle their nuclear program until international attention waned and then restart their weapons program. I particularly like this part: While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material So he would have had to refine it and been able to make what? a single dirty bomb when done? Not what I'd call WMD's (note the S). The fact that they sold it off should indicate something. It wasn't worth using or refining. Also they did not find chem weapons. They found empty missiles that may have at one time or another contained a chem weapon. The chemical weapons trucks they touted turned out to be water purification machines. Please show us some links to the chem weapons or actual WMDs...
#24 bone_naga Jul 02, 2011 12:54:59	So he would have had to refine it and been able to make what? a single dirty bomb when done? Not what I'd call WMD's (note the S). The fact that they sold it off should indicate something. It wasn't worth using or refining. Also they did not find chem weapons. They found empty missiles that may have at one time or another contained a chem weapon. The chemical weapons trucks they touted turned out to be water purification machines. Please show us some links to the chem weapons or actual WMDs... The fact that they sold it off indicates that the new government desperately needed money. Not to mention that this was probably a case of "you can sell it or we can take it, but you're not keeping it" (note that part is purely speculation). It says absolutely nothing about what could or couldn't be done with it. I'm not an expert on the refining process, but I would guess that hundreds of metric tons of material would yield enough to make more than one dirty bomb. It could make one full up nuclear bomb, why couldn't that be broken down into more than one dirty bomb? It's not like they have a standard size and design. And lets be honest, even if it was used in a completely unrefined state, the general public is stupid. They would hear the word "uranium" and freak out. The empty missiles you were referring to were probably the 122mm rockets found by the Polish. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A... Note that the same article mentions two other rockets that did contain sarin. It also mentions the UN finding more of these same rockets in 2003, just before the invasion. There were also other ones found www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jan/11/ira... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.h... www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikilea... www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/dni/dni_ltr... And while not confirmed, there is the possibility that they were moved to Syria. archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/20... www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=25309 www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted... And regardless he was still smuggling in weapons that he was not allowed to have. www.warriorsfortruth.com/iraq-weapons-vi...
#25 Qube Jul 02, 2011 13:36:59	Treatheing NATO countries? makes me wonder ... if he attacks Belgium ... we (still) have no gov so can't surrender even if we wanted to. HA! foiled his plan!
#26 Cpt_Micha Jul 02, 2011 13:48:31	Treatheing NATO countries? makes me wonder ... if he attacks Belgium ... we (still) have no gov so can't surrender even if we wanted to. HA! foiled his plan! Holy you guys STILL have no govt? That's a testament to bureaucracy right there.
#27 Johnathan_Vagabond Jul 02, 2011 14:48:34	Doubtful he'd go through with it except as a last hurrah.  Sort of a "Hit the red button before expiring." Except he's not a super villain, so he doesn't mysteriously reappear eight episodes later.
#28 draco1119 Jul 02, 2011 15:25:42	Treatheing NATO countries? makes me wonder ... if he attacks Belgium ... we (still) have no gov so can't surrender even if we wanted to. HA! foiled his plan! Nobody's bought it on eBay yet?!  Why not?  Buy your own dysfunctional country for only $14B!  What a bargain! Moonbeam really needs to get on that.  Might help with his budget.
#29 Luis_Carlos Jul 13, 2011 11:58:07	Gadafi is mad, crazy, fool, zumbado. He isn´t stupy but he isn´t used to be gone againts by anybody. Do you usually read international news? Do you rebember the incident because his son was arrested in  Switzerland?        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya%E2%80%93Swit...  Gadafi knows what if he orders a terrorist attack, NATO would want his head in a silver salver. He will not do it but if he thinks he has nothing to lose.      Yes, I know my current president, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero* is "very friend" of Gadafi, and I feel a great  embarrassment by it (we have one of worst  presidents of Spanish and West civilitation History). I hate that nonsense of "alliance of civilitations", a stupy idea of Zapatero.   * (Spanish people have got two surnames. The second one if from mother).
#30 bone_naga Jul 13, 2011 14:24:10	* (Spanish people have got two surnames. The second one if from mother).    So is it normal to refer to them by the surname from their mother? Every time I hear the guy mentioned in an English article they call him Zapatero. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.
#31 Luis_Carlos Jul 13, 2011 14:57:55	Zapatero and Rubalcabra are two exceptions. Rodriguez and Perez are two very common surnames (like Smith). Our president is most known by the second surname, because is less common. You could consider it like almost a nickname Zapatero´s right hand, Afred Perez Rubalcabra (now ex primer minister but future candicate) too would rather be known by second surname. If you look for the newest electoral poster the showed name is Afredo P. Rubalcabra.  Do you remeber Spanish actor Javier Bardem (Oscar by No country for old men)? Bardem is the mother family surname.      I´m sorry, my internet conection doesn´t works well because modem is too hot (with heat like Sahara desert, not hot like Elisa Cuthbert!).
#32 Cpt_Micha Jul 13, 2011 16:38:09	Yeah, it is 'fairly' common for either surname to be used, at least from what I remember from Spanish class. It depends on circumstance usually.
#33 lokiare Jul 14, 2011 0:41:18	Zapatero and Rubalcabra are two exceptions. Rodriguez and Perez are two very common surnames (like Smith). Our president is most known by the second surname, because is less common. You could consider it like almost a nickname Zapatero´s right hand, Afred Perez Rubalcabra (now ex primer minister but future candicate) too would rather be known by second surname. If you look for the newest electoral poster the showed name is Afredo P. Rubalcabra.  Do you remeber Spanish actor Javier Bardem (Oscar by No country for old men)? Bardem is the mother family surname.      I´m sorry, my internet conection doesn´t works well because modem is too hot (with heat like Sahara desert, not hot like Elisa Cuthbert!). [snark]I can just see a southpark episode where one of the dad's is humping your modem...[/snark]