The only times I would see Dungeons and Dragons being a problem is if players played the game 10+ hours a day 7 days a week all year round, if they mixed the game with psychodelic drugs that cause them to lose touch with reality, or if they had a previous mental condition that caused them to lose touch with reality such as schizophrenia.
Playing a fantasy game that helps players escape reality for a small period of time is harmless in itself, but if you mix that in with psychodelic drugs that cause the drug user to become delusional and lose track of what is real / not real then that could be a dangerous combo. I think mind altering drugs should not be mixed with D&D.
Also I think if a player already has a mental condition such as schizophrenia which causes him to lose touch with reality I don't think playing a fantasy role-playing game would be a wise decision. Although studies have shown that role-playing positive peer-interactions can benefit patients suffering from schizophrenia, role-playing negative peer-interactions such as steeling or backstabbing would only confuse a schizophrenic on what appropriate peer-interactions are.
Studies have shown that continous daily role-playing may confuse the player and cause them to start to loose touch with reality. However, since D&D is hard enough to get a group to play together once a month , even harder once a week, I think this would not be an issue at all. The only real danger I could see with D&D is if it were played 10+ hours a day every day, 7 days a week, all year long. Even then I think the chances of losing touch with reality would be slim to non-existent since many RPG computer games play for such long periods and never lose touch with what is real and what is not.
Opinions?
If you are, you may be better served om some other board.
I'm sure some of my compatriots will direct you shortly...
Have you ever taken psychodelics?
Is that a trick question?
I certainly have had my fill of... um err...
some other time, bro...
ShowVomit
First Gigi, now this guy. Why do we have so many lamez in OTT suddenly?
I was thinking that it was you haha
There have been controveries that Dungeons and Dragons can cause players to loose touch with reality and increase their tendency toward crime. The evidence to support this claim is very flimsy often citing the few cases of players who went crazy, murdered, or were suicidal. Out of the millions who have probably played the game, I find this a ridiculous argument. More people who play football probably could be found in those same categories then D&D.
As I said before in first paragraph I found the arguments against D&D ridiculous. I found them ridiculous 20 years ago and I still find them ridiculous today.I am glad to see that everyone else agreed with me and posted that they thought these arguments were silly too. Please don't misinterpet what I posted or how I feel about the controveries, I said from the beginning I thought the controveries were silly and ridiculous. I know this is often a sore spot for D&D players if that is not how your interpeted my post then you really need to go back and read what I wrote a lot more carefully. I just wanted to see everyones opinions thank you so much everyone for your input.
I have never taken drugs so I have no idea how much they can cause someone to lose touch with reality. I appreciate the opinions of those who have. Thank you everyone for the discussion, your opinions, and your criticism. I really enjoyed the opportunity for seeing things from other perspectives. I tried posting this topic before in the main forum and it was moved here, if this is still not the correct forum I hope you will accept my appologies.
Opinions?
Great reply. Quoting yourself instead of actually linking the studies you mentioned. That sure will produce a great conversation based on scientific knowledge and not just opinions based on urban legends.
If i offended you I am very sorry. Like I said I totally agree that the controveries are bogus and ridiculous. I never said any studies directly linked DnD. I said those who publish those controveries have made claims that studies have shown that role-playing in general for very extended periods of time everyday in remote cases might cause one to lose their sense of reality. Where the critics got these studies I have no idea and I have no idea what they are talking about. I never meant for that to be interpeted that I had studies that said that. I am sorry if you misinterpeted what I meant.
I should of written that a little better I can see now how what I wrote could be read wrong, it is my fault. I am at fault I should of done a better job clarifying what I meant. My bad. I will be the first to admit I have never been that very good at my written expression or writing so please forgive me if this post was poorly written, I was diagonsed with dyslexia in 3rd grade
Again I am sorry if I offended you or you misinterpeted what my intentions of this post was. We are all friends on here. We all share a common interest, we love to play Dungeons and Dragons together and have fun. I am just trying to bond with the members on this forum and establish friendships with discussions. I hope my friend and fellow player that reply clarify's what I was trying to say in the origional post.
Send me 100$ and all will be forgiven.
Send me 100$ and all will be forgiven.
You know he is going to probably send you $100 U.S. Wouldn't you rather have $100 Canadian? You need to clarify these things or you'll get short changed.
Great reply. Quoting yourself instead of actually linking the studies you mentioned. That sure will produce a great conversation based on scientific knowledge and not just opinions based on urban legends.
I should of written that a little better I can see now how what I wrote could be read wrong, it is my fault. I am at fault I should of done a better job clarifying what I meant. My bad. I will be the first to admit I have never been that very good at my written expression or writing so please forgive me if this post was poorly written, I was diagonsed with dyslexia in 3rd grade
Don't worry about him. He's just upset that he's Canadian.
On-topic: When I lived in San Francisco, there was a period of time when most of my waking hours were spent reading BattleTech novels and playing Final Fantasy Tactics. The rest was usually taken up going to raves and killing large quantities of brain cells. One night I managed to do that with four (or was it five?) different substances, including a psychedelic and one that can keep you awake for days on end, which also causes hallucinations. I spent 6 or 8 hours switching between three different "realities" - the 'Tech universe, FFT, and the real one. And sometimes interacting with more than one at the same time. While I have never played D&D on any of these substances, Ican see how it could cause a temporary (if not permanent) break with reality.
Why post it here, on (mostly) D&D enthusiasts' board? What are your sources? What is the point of this thread?
...you know, I don't actually care. This thread sucks and is now about trains.
On-topic: When I lived in San Francisco, there was a period of time when most of my waking hours were spent reading BattleTech novels and playing Final Fantasy Tactics. The rest was usually taken up going to raves and killing large quantities of brain cells. One night I managed to do that with four (or was it five?) different substances, including a psychedelic and one that can keep you awake for days on end, which also causes hallucinations. I spent 6 or 8 hours switching between three different "realities" - the 'Tech universe, FFT, and the real one. And sometimes interacting with more than one at the same time. While I have never played D&D on any of these substances, Ican see how it could cause a temporary (if not permanent) break with reality.
That's called playin' rock star. Three or more is rock star territory.
snip?
my oppinion any study that says that table top rpging does all that was don eback in the 1980s and is one sided.
On-topic: When I lived in San Francisco, there was a period of time when most of my waking hours were spent reading BattleTech novels and playing Final Fantasy Tactics. The rest was usually taken up going to raves and killing large quantities of brain cells. One night I managed to do that with four (or was it five?) different substances, including a psychedelic and one that can keep you awake for days on end, which also causes hallucinations. I spent 6 or 8 hours switching between three different "realities" - the 'Tech universe, FFT, and the real one. And sometimes interacting with more than one at the same time. While I have never played D&D on any of these substances, Ican see how it could cause a temporary (if not permanent) break with reality.
That's called playin' rock star. Three or more is rock star territory.
Might have even been as many as 6 or 7 that night. I ... I don't really remember.
thats right a multi-billionaire actor, oh the horror!!
It got moderated and taken down. My post only has the first one. So it's like we can't really even have this discussion here. We couldn't cite sources to the contrary even if we wanted to.
I'm just surprised the mods would feel threatened from the mere presence of a dissenting oppinion, even though every one of us will emphatically disagree with it.
I posted two links earlier. One from a site that says D&D is cool, healthy, fun, educational. The other one from a religous woman who had problems with it, and went on about the problems and dangers of D&D. Needless to say, the second one was pretty ridiuclous.
It got moderated and taken down. My post only has the first one. So it's like we can't really even have this discussion here. We couldn't cite sources to the contrary even if we wanted to.
I'm just surprised the mods would feel threatened from the mere presence of a dissenting oppinion, even though every one of us will emphatically disagree with it.
IIRC it was from Chick? I don't think we're allowed to link from this site
I'm just surprised the mods would feel threatened from the mere presence of a dissenting oppinion, even though every one of us will emphatically disagree with it.
Don't be. It's SOP around here.
D&D is good; 4E is the best.
I dunno about that...
No no, he's right. 4e is the best iteration of D&D ever. Just ask in D&D Next and 4e General.
bah... who cares I only posted this to go with the above//
ORC_Chaos
If you are, you may be better served om some other board.
I'm sure some of my compatriots will direct you shortly...
Have you ever taken psychodelics?
Is that a trick question?
I certainly have had my fill of... um err...
some other time, bro...
ShowVomit
First Gigi, now this guy. Why do we have so many lamez in OTT suddenly?
I was thinking that it was you haha
There have been controveries that Dungeons and Dragons can cause players to loose touch with reality and increase their tendency toward crime. The evidence to support this claim is very flimsy often citing the few cases of players who went crazy, murdered, or were suicidal. Out of the millions who have probably played the game, I find this a ridiculous argument. More people who play football probably could be found in those same categories then D&D.
As I said before in first paragraph I found the arguments against D&D ridiculous. I found them ridiculous 20 years ago and I still find them ridiculous today.I am glad to see that everyone else agreed with me and posted that they thought these arguments were silly too. Please don't misinterpet what I posted or how I feel about the controveries, I said from the beginning I thought the controveries were silly and ridiculous. I know this is often a sore spot for D&D players if that is not how your interpeted my post then you really need to go back and read what I wrote a lot more carefully. I just wanted to see everyones opinions thank you so much everyone for your input.
I have never taken drugs so I have no idea how much they can cause someone to lose touch with reality. I appreciate the opinions of those who have. Thank you everyone for the discussion, your opinions, and your criticism. I really enjoyed the opportunity for seeing things from other perspectives. I tried posting this topic before in the main forum and it was moved here, if this is still not the correct forum I hope you will accept my appologies.
Opinions?
Great reply. Quoting yourself instead of actually linking the studies you mentioned. That sure will produce a great conversation based on scientific knowledge and not just opinions based on urban legends.
If i offended you I am very sorry. Like I said I totally agree that the controveries are bogus and ridiculous. I never said any studies directly linked DnD. I said those who publish those controveries have made claims that studies have shown that role-playing in general for very extended periods of time everyday in remote cases might cause one to lose their sense of reality. Where the critics got these studies I have no idea and I have no idea what they are talking about. I never meant for that to be interpeted that I had studies that said that. I am sorry if you misinterpeted what I meant.
I should of written that a little better I can see now how what I wrote could be read wrong, it is my fault. I am at fault I should of done a better job clarifying what I meant. My bad. I will be the first to admit I have never been that very good at my written expression or writing so please forgive me if this post was poorly written, I was diagonsed with dyslexia in 3rd grade
Again I am sorry if I offended you or you misinterpeted what my intentions of this post was. We are all friends on here. We all share a common interest, we love to play Dungeons and Dragons together and have fun. I am just trying to bond with the members on this forum and establish friendships with discussions. I hope my friend and fellow player that reply clarify's what I was trying to say in the origional post.
Send me 100$ and all will be forgiven.
Send me 100$ and all will be forgiven.
You know he is going to probably send you $100 U.S. Wouldn't you rather have $100 Canadian? You need to clarify these things or you'll get short changed.
Great reply. Quoting yourself instead of actually linking the studies you mentioned. That sure will produce a great conversation based on scientific knowledge and not just opinions based on urban legends.
I should of written that a little better I can see now how what I wrote could be read wrong, it is my fault. I am at fault I should of done a better job clarifying what I meant. My bad. I will be the first to admit I have never been that very good at my written expression or writing so please forgive me if this post was poorly written, I was diagonsed with dyslexia in 3rd grade
Don't worry about him. He's just upset that he's Canadian.
On-topic: When I lived in San Francisco, there was a period of time when most of my waking hours were spent reading BattleTech novels and playing Final Fantasy Tactics. The rest was usually taken up going to raves and killing large quantities of brain cells. One night I managed to do that with four (or was it five?) different substances, including a psychedelic and one that can keep you awake for days on end, which also causes hallucinations. I spent 6 or 8 hours switching between three different "realities" - the 'Tech universe, FFT, and the real one. And sometimes interacting with more than one at the same time. While I have never played D&D on any of these substances, Ican see how it could cause a temporary (if not permanent) break with reality.
Why post it here, on (mostly) D&D enthusiasts' board? What are your sources? What is the point of this thread?
...you know, I don't actually care. This thread sucks and is now about trains.
On-topic: When I lived in San Francisco, there was a period of time when most of my waking hours were spent reading BattleTech novels and playing Final Fantasy Tactics. The rest was usually taken up going to raves and killing large quantities of brain cells. One night I managed to do that with four (or was it five?) different substances, including a psychedelic and one that can keep you awake for days on end, which also causes hallucinations. I spent 6 or 8 hours switching between three different "realities" - the 'Tech universe, FFT, and the real one. And sometimes interacting with more than one at the same time. While I have never played D&D on any of these substances, Ican see how it could cause a temporary (if not permanent) break with reality.
That's called playin' rock star. Three or more is rock star territory.
snip?
my oppinion any study that says that table top rpging does all that was don eback in the 1980s and is one sided.
On-topic: When I lived in San Francisco, there was a period of time when most of my waking hours were spent reading BattleTech novels and playing Final Fantasy Tactics. The rest was usually taken up going to raves and killing large quantities of brain cells. One night I managed to do that with four (or was it five?) different substances, including a psychedelic and one that can keep you awake for days on end, which also causes hallucinations. I spent 6 or 8 hours switching between three different "realities" - the 'Tech universe, FFT, and the real one. And sometimes interacting with more than one at the same time. While I have never played D&D on any of these substances, Ican see how it could cause a temporary (if not permanent) break with reality.
That's called playin' rock star. Three or more is rock star territory.
Might have even been as many as 6 or 7 that night. I ... I don't really remember.
thats right a multi-billionaire actor, oh the horror!!
It got moderated and taken down. My post only has the first one. So it's like we can't really even have this discussion here. We couldn't cite sources to the contrary even if we wanted to.
I'm just surprised the mods would feel threatened from the mere presence of a dissenting oppinion, even though every one of us will emphatically disagree with it.
I posted two links earlier. One from a site that says D&D is cool, healthy, fun, educational. The other one from a religous woman who had problems with it, and went on about the problems and dangers of D&D. Needless to say, the second one was pretty ridiuclous.
It got moderated and taken down. My post only has the first one. So it's like we can't really even have this discussion here. We couldn't cite sources to the contrary even if we wanted to.
I'm just surprised the mods would feel threatened from the mere presence of a dissenting oppinion, even though every one of us will emphatically disagree with it.
IIRC it was from Chick? I don't think we're allowed to link from this site
I'm just surprised the mods would feel threatened from the mere presence of a dissenting oppinion, even though every one of us will emphatically disagree with it.
Don't be. It's SOP around here.
D&D is good; 4E is the best.
I dunno about that...
No no, he's right. 4e is the best iteration of D&D ever. Just ask in D&D Next and 4e General.
bah... who cares I only posted this to go with the above//
ORC_Chaos