Entheogens and Ethnobotanicals?

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#1

teotzlcoatl

Feb 04, 2010 13:57:20
Does anybody here have any interest in entheogens or ethnobotanicals?

I myself am an organic gardener!

Anybody here ever heard of Iboga, Peyote or Ayahuasca?

Ariocarpus

It's the last little bit of REAL magic left in the world!

Here are pics of my garden- s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd59/teotz/
#2

modern_iconoclast

Feb 04, 2010 14:01:13
I've heard of Peyote in my teens.... Innocent
#3

zombie_babies

Feb 04, 2010 15:16:13
Hmm.  Apparently peyote is a controlled substance (US) but it's use is also permitted for religious rites an' such.  Interesting.  I had always assumed it was illegal - as in, illegal period.
#4

teotzlcoatl

Feb 04, 2010 18:09:42
No it's legal for all Native Americans and those using it for religious purposes.

That plant pictured is not Lophophora williamsii however, it is another genera.
#5

teotzlcoatl

Feb 04, 2010 18:50:57
Check out www.peyoteway.org if your interested.

It's a Peyote Church based out of AZ open to all types of people.
#6

zombie_babies

Feb 05, 2010 8:43:56
In other words it's an excuse for people to legally obtain and use a controlled substance.  Like many (if not most) users of medical marijuana.  No thanks. 

I did see that someplace in South America actually takes vacationers on the same sort of religious pilgrimage that the natives there used to (and still) take.  The ceremony is done exactly as it has been - down to the stuff.  I have less of a problem with that cuz it's not exactly a convenient excuse to get blasted.  You gotta actually do what they did.  It's interesting.
#7

teotzlcoatl

Feb 05, 2010 17:10:46
I totally agree with you about the Medical Marijuana thing. People just say "Oh I'm sick, or I can't sleep, give me some weed!". It's ridculous.

I'm part Native American (and part white) and Peyote is a serious part of my cultural heritage and my people's history.

It's no joke.

Peyote was part of Native American religion long before the United States of America was founded... I think it's a shame that people took over the Native Americans and then told them their religion was wrong and outlawed their holy sacrement Peyote.

The stuff your talking about in South American is Ayahuasca, it's very safe and has very positive effects but it can be very scary. It makes you face your fears...

#8

zombie_babies

Feb 09, 2010 8:56:17
I totally agree with you about the Medical Marijuana thing. People just say "Oh I'm sick, or I can't sleep, give me some weed!". It's ridculous.

I'm part Native American (and part white) and Peyote is a serious part of my cultural heritage and my people's history.

It's no joke.

Peyote was part of Native American religion long before the United States of America was founded... I think it's a shame that people took over the Native Americans and then told them their religion was wrong and outlawed their holy sacrement Peyote.

The stuff your talking about in South American is Ayahuasca, it's very safe and has very positive effects but it can be very scary. It makes you face your fears...




I don't deny it's part of Native American heritage (a culture I have great respect for) - I just have problems when people that are not of that background decided to adopt it as an excuse to get wasted. 

Ayahuasca, eh?  No wonder I couldn't recall the name.    It looked like a really cool thing to do - the whole experience, not just the mind altering part of the ritual.  They had to hike up a mountain and then follow the rites as any indigenous person would.  It was cool.  A real look into part of that culture.  I have no trouble with that cuz traveling that kind of distance and then hiking up a mountain and doing the rest of the ritual is hardly a convenient excuse, ya know?  It's something I'd consider trying, too. 
#9

teotzlcoatl

Feb 09, 2010 12:06:58
People like myself who are serious practioners of entheogenic religion have a serious problem with people just "looking to get high" but for me it doesn't matter the color of your skin, it matters what is in your heart.

I would encourage you to try Ayahuasca if you want to find more out about yourself and the world you live in and your connection to God.... do NOT take Ayahuasca if you are looking to "trip out" or get high... you will be very disappointed.

Ayahuasca is actually legal in the USA (due to a recent supreme court ruling) and you can order from many online vendors and brew it in your kitchen... tho it IS cooler to go to South America and do it, just beware of crappy shamans who just want your money!

#10

zombie_babies

Feb 09, 2010 12:11:15

No kidding.  If I ever did that, I'd like to do it completely the right way.  Take the hike, listen to the shaman, etc.  I don't think I'd get the right vibe in my living room.  ;)

#11

teotzlcoatl

Feb 09, 2010 12:12:48
Ya I hear ya... but it's only be like $100 instead of a few $1000 to do it.
#12

zombie_babies

Feb 09, 2010 12:16:31
Heh.  That's kind of a plus. 
#13

teotzlcoatl

Feb 09, 2010 12:44:03
But I totally understand wanting to get the full experience.

I'm going to Peru on an ethnobotanical collection expedition in April.

It's open to people who are interested in plants and other cultures.

It's about $2500 to go.

Go to the Botanical Preservation Corps for more info.
#14

zombie_babies

Feb 09, 2010 12:51:16
That's about $2500 more free cash than I have.    Interesting stuff, though.  Maybe one day ...
#15

teotzlcoatl

Feb 09, 2010 13:01:21
Haha, ok... maybe just ordering the plants would be better for you if your low on cash.. get the following- B. caapi, Psychotria viridis and Diplopterys.
#16

teotzlcoatl

Feb 09, 2010 14:08:48
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