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#1
americanlord
Jun 04, 2008 23:19:18 I think it would be a great idea for Europe to become a single unified nation.

I wonder if there is a way we can help them speed up the process and become a single super-state more quickly.

Does anyone have any ideas?
#2
great_cthuhloz
Jun 05, 2008 3:23:29 don't WE get a say in the matter?

Despite the countries getting closer together, I think it will be many, MANY years before we become a single country, if ever. We have a massive range of countries, all with massivley different economies, structures, legal systems and problems
#3
altondelamourne
Jun 05, 2008 5:29:22 As someone living in Germany, your basically asking the same thing as America taking in all of north and central America and making it one country. As said above, very different cultures, economies, ect. Plus, some down right dislike each other. Especially during the soccer world cup:invasion: . This being said, I also want to say that this would not only be bad for many of the European countries (who would have to put up for the poorer countries and basically lose more than they gain...especially Britain) it would also be bad for everyone else. The Euro rate makes me cry, and from the Germans I talk to, I'm not alone. I wish they'd all go back to having their own money...Dumb American dollar...
#4
alkasyn
Jun 05, 2008 10:37:23 Its not gonna happen anytime soon. The countries of the UE are still to different from each other, plus all hte historical stuff also takes part. Maybe the next few generations will find it benefitable to live in a more unified Europe, you never know...
#5
shadowcat_mdk
Jun 05, 2008 11:21:12 Being European I like the idea of a common unified Europe in terms of trade, basic civil rights and equality of living, housing and judicial status. But, Europe is divided into a vast number of countries, and many of them are so historically rich that there are deep social and cultural divisions in the same country. In the UK (where I live) there are more attitude and social differences between people in the North of England and the South of England than between the North and Norway, the Netherlands or Denmark. This is not just because of the historical imperative of Dane Law, it is more to do with modes of behaviour, environment, upbringing and identity. Indeed because Europe is so culturally diverse and historically moulded we have a lot to enjoy when meeting people from new locations and we should enjoy and embrace those differences. To see them all homogenised and packaged into the common Euro-bod would be a damned shame.

Though having travelled a lot to the states I see many differences between states that match the same factors, and it is something that should be celebrated in the US. Don't just mock your Southern/Northern/Mid-Western cousins (unless it is funny) enjoy them because they are different.

Pro-Europe but also Pro-Individual.
#6
umbralknight
Jun 05, 2008 13:01:07 I'm not so sure how wise it would be, for my part. European countries have strong cultural identities, and this can put some strain on a country's political process. I currently live in South Africa, and there is a fair amount of tension when it comes to politics and government and unions which derives from tension between people of different tribal heritage. And we're one of the more stable countries on the continent, despite some recents events on the contrary.

However, if it created a stronger identity of Europeans as a whole, it could help prevent war in the future, if one thinks positivly.
#7
deinos
Jun 07, 2008 17:58:06 Why stop at the European Union, when we could have a New World Order?
#8
moblin
Jun 08, 2008 6:01:47 While this is dangerously close to a discussion of politics I guess I'll come with a few points from this side of the pond.
I think it would be a great idea for Europe to become a single unified nation.

Why? I really can't see what you as an American would gain from Europe becoming a single entity.
I wonder if there is a way we can help them speed up the process and become a single super-state more quickly.

Well the most important thing, would be for the Americans to NOT try to help it on the way.
Seriously. No one wants to be told what to do

But as others have mentioned; Europa becoming a single nation will never (as in; barring some catastrophic event that would erase most of the European population) happen.
#9
fabius_maximus
Jun 08, 2008 8:56:03 I wouldn't mind. A loose federation might work if the responsibilities of federal government and member states are allocated intelligently. That way, national pecularities wouldn't be supressed.

Heck, it worked in Germany, why shouldn't it work for Europe?
#10
americanlord
Jun 08, 2008 11:57:32
While this is dangerously close to a discussion of politics I guess I'll come with a few points from this side of the pond.

Why? I really can't see what you as an American would gain from Europe becoming a single entity.

Well the most important thing, would be for the Americans to NOT try to help it on the way.
Seriously. No one wants to be told what to do

But as others have mentioned; Europa becoming a single nation will never (as in; barring some catastrophic event that would erase most of the European population) happen.

As an American I am just a nice person who is concerned about the people of the world. Either that or I'm just interested in thinking about polictics and nation-states.

I think Europe will find business easier to conduct if they are a unified nation. Things will flow more quickly and smoothly if they have an open border among themselves like the states of the United States of America.
#11
great_cthuhloz
Jun 08, 2008 12:02:05 We do have a more or less open border and open trade already, without having to be one nation. The fact that I can nip over to France to do some shopping, get home and hire a Polish builder who has come to work in the UK for summer, go to a market and buy Italian produce for no more or less than the UK eqiivalent, then come home at night and set up an Ebay shop, selling to Greece demonstrates that!
#12
RUMPLESTIX
Nov 09, 2008 9:43:44 *ahem* Just killing time.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 americanlord Jun 04, 2008 23:19:18	I think it would be a great idea for Europe to become a single unified nation. I wonder if there is a way we can help them speed up the process and become a single super-state more quickly. Does anyone have any ideas?
#2 great_cthuhloz Jun 05, 2008 3:23:29	don't WE get a say in the matter? Despite the countries getting closer together, I think it will be many, MANY years before we become a single country, if ever. We have a massive range of countries, all with massivley different economies, structures, legal systems and problems
#3 altondelamourne Jun 05, 2008 5:29:22	As someone living in Germany, your basically asking the same thing as America taking in all of north and central America and making it one country. As said above, very different cultures, economies, ect. Plus, some down right dislike each other. Especially during the soccer world cup:invasion: . This being said, I also want to say that this would not only be bad for many of the European countries (who would have to put up for the poorer countries and basically lose more than they gain...especially Britain) it would also be bad for everyone else. The Euro rate makes me cry, and from the Germans I talk to, I'm not alone. I wish they'd all go back to having their own money...Dumb American dollar...
#4 alkasyn Jun 05, 2008 10:37:23	Its not gonna happen anytime soon. The countries of the UE are still to different from each other, plus all hte historical stuff also takes part. Maybe the next few generations will find it benefitable to live in a more unified Europe, you never know...
#5 shadowcat_mdk Jun 05, 2008 11:21:12	Being European I like the idea of a common unified Europe in terms of trade, basic civil rights and equality of living, housing and judicial status. But, Europe is divided into a vast number of countries, and many of them are so historically rich that there are deep social and cultural divisions in the same country. In the UK (where I live) there are more attitude and social differences between people in the North of England and the South of England than between the North and Norway, the Netherlands or Denmark. This is not just because of the historical imperative of Dane Law, it is more to do with modes of behaviour, environment, upbringing and identity. Indeed because Europe is so culturally diverse and historically moulded we have a lot to enjoy when meeting people from new locations and we should enjoy and embrace those differences. To see them all homogenised and packaged into the common Euro-bod would be a damned shame. Though having travelled a lot to the states I see many differences between states that match the same factors, and it is something that should be celebrated in the US. Don't just mock your Southern/Northern/Mid-Western cousins (unless it is funny) enjoy them because they are different. Pro-Europe but also Pro-Individual.
#6 umbralknight Jun 05, 2008 13:01:07	I'm not so sure how wise it would be, for my part. European countries have strong cultural identities, and this can put some strain on a country's political process. I currently live in South Africa, and there is a fair amount of tension when it comes to politics and government and unions which derives from tension between people of different tribal heritage. And we're one of the more stable countries on the continent, despite some recents events on the contrary. However, if it created a stronger identity of Europeans as a whole, it could help prevent war in the future, if one thinks positivly.
#7 deinos Jun 07, 2008 17:58:06	Why stop at the European Union, when we could have a New World Order?
#8 moblin Jun 08, 2008 6:01:47	While this is dangerously close to a discussion of politics I guess I'll come with a few points from this side of the pond. I think it would be a great idea for Europe to become a single unified nation. Why? I really can't see what you as an American would gain from Europe becoming a single entity. I wonder if there is a way we can help them speed up the process and become a single super-state more quickly. Well the most important thing, would be for the Americans to NOT try to help it on the way. Seriously. No one wants to be told what to do But as others have mentioned; Europa becoming a single nation will never (as in; barring some catastrophic event that would erase most of the European population) happen.
#9 fabius_maximus Jun 08, 2008 8:56:03	I wouldn't mind. A loose federation might work if the responsibilities of federal government and member states are allocated intelligently. That way, national pecularities wouldn't be supressed. Heck, it worked in Germany, why shouldn't it work for Europe?
#10 americanlord Jun 08, 2008 11:57:32	While this is dangerously close to a discussion of politics I guess I'll come with a few points from this side of the pond. Why? I really can't see what you as an American would gain from Europe becoming a single entity. Well the most important thing, would be for the Americans to NOT try to help it on the way. Seriously. No one wants to be told what to do But as others have mentioned; Europa becoming a single nation will never (as in; barring some catastrophic event that would erase most of the European population) happen. As an American I am just a nice person who is concerned about the people of the world. Either that or I'm just interested in thinking about polictics and nation-states. I think Europe will find business easier to conduct if they are a unified nation. Things will flow more quickly and smoothly if they have an open border among themselves like the states of the United States of America.
#11 great_cthuhloz Jun 08, 2008 12:02:05	We do have a more or less open border and open trade already, without having to be one nation. The fact that I can nip over to France to do some shopping, get home and hire a Polish builder who has come to work in the UK for summer, go to a market and buy Italian produce for no more or less than the UK eqiivalent, then come home at night and set up an Ebay shop, selling to Greece demonstrates that!
#12 RUMPLESTIX Nov 09, 2008 9:43:44	ahem Just killing time.