Extra Extra, Read All About It! Accidental Discharge in Man's Pants

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#1

pigknight

May 01, 2011 21:23:04
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#2

jetshield

May 01, 2011 21:29:47
Ouch. Dumb**s. Smart people don't stick guns in their pants. With luck, he hasn't bred yet, and never will.
#3

calronmoonflower

May 01, 2011 22:12:03
And that's why I now only think of baseball.
#4

sfdragon

May 01, 2011 23:47:02
okay kiddies.. not what I expected... well kinda.


what did we learn todya kiddies, if you're going to put your gun in your pants, remeber to put on the saftey or insert something to keep the trigger and hammer from connecting to the parts neccessary from activating the chain of events that leads to self castration.
#5

iqwinn

May 01, 2011 23:55:49
I'd actually classify this as a negligent discharge, due to the fact that he neglected to make the gun safe before storing it in his pants.  I use an IWB (Inside the Waist-Band) holster when I carry my weapon, and I carry it on my hip, not in front of my navel; less likely to damage the family jewels.
#6

goblin_pride

May 02, 2011 5:24:18
I see an honorary Darwin Award in his future...
#7

Cpt_Micha

May 02, 2011 8:39:34
From Osama being shot in the eye, straight to another man being shot in his One Eye.....
#8

pluisjen

May 02, 2011 8:42:35
If I'm not mistaken, the safety is designed specifically to prevent this kind of thing. That makes me think he was just asking for it by not being smart/responsible enough to carry a weapon.
#9

homicidal_squirrel

May 02, 2011 10:09:13
If I'm not mistaken, the safety is designed specifically to prevent this kind of thing. That makes me think he was just asking for it by not being smart/responsible enough to carry a weapon.


That depends n the gun you get. Police officers are able to get guns that have no safety mechanism. They are able to sell theguns if they choose to. It is possible to buy a gun without a safety. 

However, this guy was just too stupid to own a gun. At least he won't be breeding. Let's hope his genes have not contaminated the gene-pool yet. 
#10

Cpt_Micha

May 02, 2011 10:11:06
If I'm not mistaken, the safety is designed specifically to prevent this kind of thing. That makes me think he was just asking for it by not being smart/responsible enough to carry a weapon.




there are weapons without safeties (revolvers for example. Which is why six shooters were often only loaded with 5 shots. So you have the empty chamber in the loaded position when the weapon is at rest), however in any case yeah... this guy was kind of asking for it. If we get a follow up article I wouldn't be surprised to find out booze was involved or that the guy doesn't actually have a firearms permit of any kind, or a combination of the two.
#11

zombie_babies

May 02, 2011 10:36:11

Many carry weapons don't have safeties.  They can be carried safely, though, so long as it's done properly.  Carrying a pistol in the front of your pants with no holster is not doin' it properly.  The trigger is exposed and the gun is not secure.  What happens is the gun begins to slip and the idiot tries to catch it and, in doing so, triggers the weapon by actually grabbing the trigger (when you quickly, reflexsively try to catch something you typically do so with involuntary force).  And presto, they've been perforated.  Don't carry a gun without a friggin' holster.  You can get 'em for under $30 so if you can afford a pistol and ammo you can afford a way to safely carry the gun.

By the way, this is something that's known as 'pullin' a Plax'. 

#12

shiningwolf88

May 02, 2011 11:07:49
It's really bad but...the first thing I thought of was the last Harry Potter book, ugh.

And I wanted to say something about gun fetishists but this is just all kinds of wrong.
#13

homicidal_squirrel

May 02, 2011 11:47:22
If I'm not mistaken, the safety is designed specifically to prevent this kind of thing. That makes me think he was just asking for it by not being smart/responsible enough to carry a weapon.


That depends n the gun you get. Police officers are able to get guns that have no safety mechanism. They are able to sell theguns if they choose to. It is possible to buy a gun without a safety. 

However, this guy was just too stupid to own a gun. At least he won't be breeding. Let's hope his genes have not contaminated the gene-pool yet. 



Wait what? Police officers can sell the guns they are given to do their job?


No. They have the option of using the gun given to them by their department, or they can go out and buy their own gun to use. However, the gun they buy to use on the job must meet the requirements set up by the respective police department. A lot of police departments limit the caliber. Down here they recently changed it so all new incoming officers have to use 9mm guns. Police officers who have been on the force before this new regulation are "grandfathered in" and allowed to use whatever caliber was allowed at the time they started working as police officers.

Police officers are also allowed to buy guns for their own off duty use. So a police officer can buy a gun of a higher caliber to have on him during off duty hours. Because it is not a gun given to them by the department, they can sell it as a private seller. The thing is that when a police officer goes into a gun store to buy a gun, he can order it off of the selections that they have for police officers.

When a police officer sells his gun, he is supposed to follow all state and federal regulations concerning gun sales. They are supposed to run a background check on the buyer, take all the required paper work and all the other fun stuff. It is extremely beneficial to them to do so. If the gun is ever used in a crime, it can be easily traced to the person who bought it. Do all cops do it? No. They are pople, and people sometimes do stupid things. 
#14

iqwinn

May 03, 2011 11:37:12
It all depends on the kind of firearm.  Some are considered "inherently" safe, such as modern revolvers (they have a system in which the hammer cannot contact the firing pin unless there is actual pressure on the trigger, making the old "hit the back end of the hammer" method of AD's virtually a thing of the past; such technology, however, does NOT preclude safe handling practices).  Some semi-autos, such as the Glock, have an integral safety built into their trigger.  I'm sure you can cause the weapon to discharge if you apply enough force on the trigger WITHOUT depressing the integral safety, but it would take more force than my two fingers can generate; besides, I'd rather not press my luck.
#15

modern_iconoclast

May 03, 2011 12:55:20
In this thread, I learned how not-to-carry a gun in a nutshell.
#16

zombie_babies

May 03, 2011 12:59:23
Any gun you could carry in a nutshell is probably not much of a gun anyway.
#17

jetshield

May 03, 2011 13:35:36
Oh, I dunno. The Coco de Mer is a pretty big nut.


#18

modern_iconoclast

May 03, 2011 13:42:00
Any gun you could carry in a nutshell is probably not much of a gun anyway.



I'll re-phrase, how not to carry a gun near a nut sack.
#19

zombie_babies

May 03, 2011 14:16:18
Oh, I dunno. The Coco de Mer is a pretty big nut.





Holy ****balls!  I stand corrected! 

I'll re-phrase, how not to carry a gun near a nut sack.



Now how am I gonna make a sad attempt at a dry joke with that? 
#20

modern_iconoclast

May 03, 2011 16:23:40


I'll re-phrase, how not to carry a gun near a nut sack.



Now how am I gonna make a sad attempt at a dry joke with that? 



Sorry about that, it has not been an easy day up here with the Conservatives winning by majority.
But the good thing is that there are plenty of nut sacks to shoot now (joking).

#21

bone_naga

May 03, 2011 16:29:43
When a police officer sells his gun, he is supposed to follow all state and federal regulations concerning gun sales. They are supposed to run a background check on the buyer, take all the required paper work and all the other fun stuff. It is extremely beneficial to them to do so. If the gun is ever used in a crime, it can be easily traced to the person who bought it. Do all cops do it? No. They are pople, and people sometimes do stupid things. 


Are you sure about that? I'm not sure why a police officer would have to do that when any other person can make a private sale of a firearm to someone else without going through that process. Now like you said, it may make it easier on them if the gun is used in a crime, but unless the state requires it I don't believe it is mandatory (and even then the gun is only going to be traced back to them if it's left at a crime scene with the serial number intact).
#22

homicidal_squirrel

May 03, 2011 20:51:48
Are you sure about that? I'm not sure why a police officer would have to do that when any other person can make a private sale of a firearm to someone else without going through that process. Now like you said, it may make it easier on them if the gun is used in a crime, but unless the state requires it I don't believe it is mandatory (and even then the gun is only going to be traced back to them if it's left at a crime scene with the serial number intact).

It probably isn't a requirement, but let's face it, any cop that sells a gun to someone else and isn't smart enough to do a background check (something that they can probably do free of charge) is probably looking to get himself or herself into trouble.

#23

bone_naga

May 03, 2011 21:43:34
Oh I agree that it's the intelligent thing to do, especially when you have the ability to do so. I was just saying that I don't think that's a requirement (in most states anyway, I can't keep track of all of them).
#24

zombie_babies

May 04, 2011 9:17:17
Sorry about that, it has not been an easy day up here with the Conservatives winning by majority.
But the good thing is that there are plenty of nut sacks to shoot now (joking).



Nice.    Reported, but nice.  (Kidding, of course!  )

It probably isn't a requirement, but let's face it, any cop that sells a gun to someone else and isn't smart enough to do a background check (something that they can probably do free of charge) is probably looking to get himself or herself into trouble.



I'm not sure they can use department resources for personal stuff.  I'm pretty sure there was a recent case here of a cop or detective using background checks personally and he was fired.  I mean, you can use websites and stuff like that but that won't mean anything legally. 

When you purchase a firearm from a registered dealer, they're required to run a NICS check on you.  This is something FFL holders are required to do and, as far as I'm aware, they're the only ones that can access that system.  Maybe cops are allowed to as well, though.  I really don't know.

The way I understand it is that a cop could sell any gun that can be sold without an FFL to any party of legal age - just like anyone else.  From that point forward, they'd only get in any sort of trouble if it was found they knowingly sold a weapon to someone not legally allowed to own one.  This is what makes the most sense to me, but I am not a cop.  For all I know they've got a whole different rulebook. 
#25

homicidal_squirrel

May 04, 2011 10:28:02
I'm not sure they can use department resources for personal stuff.  I'm pretty sure there was a recent case here of a cop or detective using background checks personally and he was fired.  I mean, you can use websites and stuff like that but that won't mean anything legally. 

When you purchase a firearm from a registered dealer, they're required to run a NICS check on you.  This is something FFL holders are required to do and, as far as I'm aware, they're the only ones that can access that system.  Maybe cops are allowed to as well, though.  I really don't know.

The way I understand it is that a cop could sell any gun that can be sold without an FFL to any party of legal age - just like anyone else.  From that point forward, they'd only get in any sort of trouble if it was found they knowingly sold a weapon to someone not legally allowed to own one.  This is what makes the most sense to me, but I am not a cop.  For all I know they've got a whole different rulebook. 


They probably have options. I would imagine that they can get access to the NICS. Then again, they could also just run a check on their computers. I'm not sure about other departmennts, but down here cops ride around with a laptop in their cars that has access to a bunch of systems. They ccan run a background check on you without having to wait for the dispatcher to do it. They do it in a matter of seconds. I would guess that they would probably run a back ground check from their car, and if they wanted to, they could request one from their department. It may have different costs for them.

As for the actual sale, yeah, they are just like any other private citizen. They can sell a gun to anyone of a legal age who is allowed to own a gun. Since certain crimes will get you on the naughty list of people not allowed to posses a gun, I would think that a cop would want to make sure than even though the person buying the gun is of legal age, they are also legally allowed to posses a gun.

Face it, the way people like to sue others, it isn't unreasonable to think that if you sold a gun to some 35 year old guy, who happened to be convicted of some felony, and e ended up shooting someone with the gun you sold them, the victim's family may come after you. Most people down here see suing a cop as an instant win in the state lottery.
#26

zombie_babies

May 04, 2011 11:41:48
Oh yeah, if they're allowed to and the ability is there then there's no reason any sane person wouldn't.  CYA at its finest.