Antibiotics - Chemicals that promote superbugs, which are deadly antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria that are killing tens of thousands of Americans every year.
Yeah, totally not a biased, agenda driven article at all. Check yo' sources, Loki. Sounds like this dood shot up too much Thimerosal. ;)*sigh*
loki is back on this rant again?
what else is there to do around this place?
Antibiotics - Chemicals that promote superbugs, which are deadly antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria that are killing tens of thousands of Americans every year.
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and just for the fun of it rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews now thats a funny read
More recently, Adams has begun to formulate bizarre conspiracy theories claiming that Bill Gates and Microsoft are in the process of developing weaponized, ethnically-targeted influenza viruses as part of a sinister eugenics plot.
I think I love this guy.
Here's what's really in vaccines www.naturalnews.com/037653_vaccine_addit...
It's on the internet's.
It must be true.
dood, if you can hear 'em, you're totally safe. It's the ones you can't here that'll getcha.
Please, thats what govt plants say to lull us true patriots into a sense of false sense of security. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a silent helicopter. When the govt wants to come silently they send the UFOs that they rented out from the aliens.
Like my dad always said, sharing is caring, especially with horribly infectious diseases!
S... Son!?
I'll be expecting my 19 years worth of back Christmas and birthday gifts you negligent arse...
Why would you want those? It'll just be maple syrup covered poutine in a bad beer broth.
That sounds pretty fattening. I'm ure Fox News will put out an article about some jerk in Ohio trying to deny nutritious food gifts to an American.
It's not just fattening, it's immediately fatal to anyone with a human stomach (read: not Quebecistani).
I fail to see how that would stop an American from scarffing it down, or Fox News complaining that you want to limit people's freedom of choice.
He is my son! I'll feed him what I want to feed him!
Snails, oysters, mussels, sweetbread...
So... do you prefer oysters or clams?
It's not just fattening, it's immediately fatal to anyone with a human stomach (read: not Quebecistani).
I fail to see how that would stop an American from scarffing it down, or Fox News complaining that you want to limit people's freedom of choice.
I don't see how anything could stop an American from scarfing down anything labeled as "food". Especially if it's ridiculously fattening
(also, cheers Silversword, you're not the only poster under the influence anymore)
(also, cheers Silversword, you're not the only poster under the influence anymore)
You? You're drunk posting!?
(also, cheers Silversword, you're not the only poster under the influence anymore)
You? You're drunk posting!?
Uncanny that I'm usually not, considering my nationality ;)
I wasnt sure if you meant you was drinking or you were saying Loki was haha!
One does not exclude the other and it would certainly explain a lot, ha!
ADH is a witch!!
Day-um, I forgot how funny loki's posts could be.
I seriously like the guy and love what he posts. Stuff like this is why I miss seein' him around. Dirty 5e!
Day-um, I forgot how funny loki's posts could be.
Yes, because poison is funny...
Also upthread someone said something about bill gates wanting to kill people off. Did they read the article where they quote sections of their books and articles where they plainly state things like "I wish there were 500,000 less people in the world." and other such things? I mean it sounds ridiculous, but then you see the proof and you start wondering why these people are in power...
Also even if that is a 'conspiracy theory' (even though its got lots of proof behind it), how does that affect the links and references to studies and the CDC website where they admit all of this poison and garbage is in the shots? I mean this isn't politics where you win by character assassination, this is reality where factual information beats rumor and speculation and media propaganda. The facts are there, why not take a moment and read them and then judge them on their own merits?
I wasnt sure if you meant you was drinking or you were saying Loki was haha!
One does not exclude the other and it would certainly explain a lot, ha!
I'm too broke to drink...
Yes, because poison is funny...
Also upthread someone said something about bill gates wanting to kill people off. Did they read the article where they quote sections of their books and articles where they plainly state things like "I wish there were 500,000 less people in the world." and other such things? I mean it sounds ridiculous, but then you see the proof and you start wondering why these people are in power...
Also even if that is a 'conspiracy theory' (even though its got lots of proof behind it), how does that affect the links and references to studies and the CDC website where they admit all of this poison and garbage is in the shots? I mean this isn't politics where you win by character assassination, this is reality where factual information beats rumor and speculation and media propaganda. The facts are there, why not take a moment and read them and then judge them on their own merits?
dood, I don't discount this psychopath cuz he says Bill Gates wants to go on some covert genocidal rampage, I discount him because he listed the purpose of antibiotics as 'creating superbugs' as though that's what antibiotics were created to do and that that is their primary (if not singular) purpose. That's insane. He's obviously got an axe to grind and when someone is that obvious in their bias, it makes them difficult to see as a credible source on anything that has to do with what they're biased toward or against.
Howd you know I was drinking anyways?
ADH is a witch!!
I looked into my magic crystal... and then I emptied it
Yes, because poison is funny...
Also upthread someone said something about bill gates wanting to kill people off. Did they read the article where they quote sections of their books and articles where they plainly state things like "I wish there were 500,000 less people in the world." and other such things? I mean it sounds ridiculous, but then you see the proof and you start wondering why these people are in power...
Also even if that is a 'conspiracy theory' (even though its got lots of proof behind it), how does that affect the links and references to studies and the CDC website where they admit all of this poison and garbage is in the shots? I mean this isn't politics where you win by character assassination, this is reality where factual information beats rumor and speculation and media propaganda. The facts are there, why not take a moment and read them and then judge them on their own merits?
dood, I don't discount this psychopath cuz he says Bill Gates wants to go on some covert genocidal rampage, I discount him because he listed the purpose of antibiotics as 'creating superbugs' as though that's what antibiotics were created to do and that that is their primary (if not singular) purpose. That's insane. He's obviously got an axe to grind and when someone is that obvious in their bias, it makes them difficult to see as a credible source on anything that has to do with what they're biased toward or against.
Regardless of the intent of those that created antibiotics, they do create super bugs that can't be killed and which used to be harmless like Staph infections. So maybe he's looking at the facts and drawing conclusions based on those people saying they want to kill everyone. Set that aside for the moment and look at the facts he presents backed up by links to trustworthy websites like the CDC vaccines additive pages that admits they put dangerous chemicals in vaccines. He links the government website National Toxicology program where they openly admit the dangers of Thimerosal. He goes on to quote the National Toxicology Programs website where they flatly state the chemicals in vaccines exceed safe levels set by the FDA and EPA.
Then he states this:
By the way, this report also reveals that the FDA requires preservatives like thimerosal only in so-called "multi-dose" vaccines -- vials that contain more than one dose of the vaccine. Drug companies could, if they wanted to, produce "clean" single-dose vaccines without any mercury / thimerosal. But they choose not to because it's more profitable to product mercury-containing multi-dose vaccines. As the report admits, "Preservatives are not required for products formulated in singledose vials. Multidose vials are preferred by some physicians and health clinics because they are often less expensive per vaccine dose and require less storage space."
So the reason why your child is being injected with vaccine boils down to health care offices making more money and saving shelf space!
Which is a reasonable conclusion.
He goes on to ask why any doctor would knowingly inject someone with Mercury, MSGs, Formaldehyde, and aluminum. Which I think is a good question.
Then he asks the best question of all. Why don't they make available 'clean' vaccines that don't have chemical additives. You know like 'organic' vaccines?
He also posts the video where the mainstream media tries to tell you mercury is good for your kids and improves brain function...yeah... and people wonder why the internet is more popular for news than TV...
Only at the end after providing a mountain of verifiable evidence does he put forth his opinion of why they are doing it. Of course its not anyone would admit to wanting to kill millions of people right? As to the Bill Gates claims, he funds all kinds of populations control agendas that even admit to using vaccines to regulate the population. That's not really in question. What's in question is whether he is using subversive methods or whether hes doing everything above board.
I would gladly get my news from a source that isn't associated with conspiracy theories, however anytime the truth starts to get mentioned (like vaccines having harmful chemicals in them) someone trots out the whole "conspiracy theory" excuse like it means anything when compared to facts. Basically any news source gets labeled a "conspiracy theory" if they talk about the truth or opposed the mega-banks or global corporations (which by the way own the mainstream media and have been caught sending memos and emails out to regulate what is covered)...
Loki, we're not discounting the guy just 'cuz he's crazy, we're discounting him because he's espousing totally crazy ideas. Like, for example, a lack of basic understanding of biology. And exreme, wrongly-placed paranoia.
Can you explain his "lack of basic understanding of biology" because everything in the article except that last paragraph is based on the CDC website as well as the government website on toxicology research...
Which is a reasonable conclusion.
No, it's not. You might want to re-read that a couple times and see if you can figure out why his conclusion isn't supported by the facts presented.
Which is a reasonable conclusion.
No, it's not. You might want to re-read that a couple times and see if you can figure out why his conclusion isn't supported by the facts presented.
Your kidding right? Saying that corporations will shave a few bucks off for profit to provide slightly cheaper products which will increase sales is some how an unreasonable thing to come away from that with?
Yeah, because corporations don't ever do anything that puts profit above morals (oh wait, Enron did, and the others did when they bought the toxic housing derivatives, WotC laid people off right before Christmas). I'd like to live in your dreamland where corporations are nice and people aren't greedy...
Lokiare, out of curiosity, did you get vaccinated when you were a kid?
Yes, but I stopped getting vaccinations in my teens. I also show signs of highly functional autism... I don't know if you noticed but I can be anti-social and miss social cues sometimes...
Regardless of the intent of those that created antibiotics, they do create super bugs that can't be killed and which used to be harmless like Staph infections. So maybe he's looking at the facts and drawing conclusions based on those people saying they want to kill everyone. Set that aside for the moment and look at the facts he presents backed up by links to trustworthy websites like the CDC vaccines additive pages that admits they put dangerous chemicals in vaccines. He links the government website National Toxicology program where they openly admit the dangers of Thimerosal. He goes on to quote the National Toxicology Programs website where they flatly state the chemicals in vaccines exceed safe levels set by the FDA and EPA.
No, you have to take the intent into account. Can antibiotics help create superbugs? Yes, if they're used improperly by the folks that have them prescribed. That's reasonable. If he said that, that would be fine. He didn't say that, though, did he? Nope. He said that the purpose of antibiotics was to create superbugs. That's either a lie or a gross misunderstanding - like, something a second grader should know isn't true. In either case, it heavily implies that he's not anywhere near credible. Cuz in one he's an idiot and in the other he's a liar. Now you tell me why I should trust a man who's shown me he's either an idiot, a liar or both?
Then he states this:By the way, this report also reveals that the FDA requires preservatives like thimerosal only in so-called "multi-dose" vaccines -- vials that contain more than one dose of the vaccine. Drug companies could, if they wanted to, produce "clean" single-dose vaccines without any mercury / thimerosal. But they choose not to because it's more profitable to product mercury-containing multi-dose vaccines. As the report admits, "Preservatives are not required for products formulated in singledose vials. Multidose vials are preferred by some physicians and health clinics because they are often less expensive per vaccine dose and require less storage space."
So the reason why your child is being injected with vaccine boils down to health care offices making more money and saving shelf space!
Which is a reasonable conclusion.
Umm ... no it isn't. See, he says they do it because they want to make more money. Thing is, he also says that it's the exact opposite method they should use if they want to make more money. Cuz single doses cost more. Now are you telling me that if Big Pharma wanted more money they couldn't align and decide to sell only single doses? I mean, they could easily justify it if all of the other information is true, right? All they'd have to say is that it may be more expensive but it's far safer. They get to make more money and look like good guys doing it. So not, his conclusion isn't reasonable in the least. In fact, he refutes it in his own statement.
Regardless of the intent of those that created antibiotics, they do create super bugs that can't be killed and which used to be harmless like Staph infections. So maybe he's looking at the facts and drawing conclusions based on those people saying they want to kill everyone. Set that aside for the moment and look at the facts he presents backed up by links to trustworthy websites like the CDC vaccines additive pages that admits they put dangerous chemicals in vaccines. He links the government website National Toxicology program where they openly admit the dangers of Thimerosal. He goes on to quote the National Toxicology Programs website where they flatly state the chemicals in vaccines exceed safe levels set by the FDA and EPA.
No, you have to take the intent into account. Can antibiotics help create superbugs? Yes, if they're used improperly by the folks that have them prescribed. That's reasonable. If he said that, that would be fine. He didn't say that, though, did he? Nope. He said that the purpose of antibiotics was to create superbugs. That's either a lie or a gross misunderstanding - like, something a second grader should know isn't true. In either case, it heavily implies that he's not anywhere near credible. Cuz in one he's an idiot and in the other he's a liar. Now you tell me why I should trust a man who's shown me he's either an idiot, a liar or both?
Where did he say that in the article? I didn't see that part. Also scientists in labs weaponize bacteria by exposing them to antibiotics until they become resistant to them so even if he did say that, it is actually true. Also if you disregard everything a person says because they make one mistake who are you going to get info from? Everyone is disqualified on those grounds...
Then he states this:By the way, this report also reveals that the FDA requires preservatives like thimerosal only in so-called "multi-dose" vaccines -- vials that contain more than one dose of the vaccine. Drug companies could, if they wanted to, produce "clean" single-dose vaccines without any mercury / thimerosal. But they choose not to because it's more profitable to product mercury-containing multi-dose vaccines. As the report admits, "Preservatives are not required for products formulated in singledose vials. Multidose vials are preferred by some physicians and health clinics because they are often less expensive per vaccine dose and require less storage space."
So the reason why your child is being injected with vaccine boils down to health care offices making more money and saving shelf space!
Which is a reasonable conclusion.
Umm ... no it isn't. See, he says they do it because they want to make more money. Thing is, he also says that it's the exact opposite method they should use if they want to make more money. Cuz single doses cost more. Now are you telling me that if Big Pharma wanted more money they couldn't align and decide to sell only single doses? I mean, they could easily justify it if all of the other information is true, right? All they'd have to say is that it may be more expensive but it's far safer. They get to make more money and look like good guys doing it. So not, his conclusion isn't reasonable in the least. In fact, he refutes it in his own statement.
Actually the government has price caps on vaccines, so yes, its literally a way to make more money and if they went to single doses without chemicals it would make less money...
Lokiare, out of curiosity, did you get vaccinated when you were a kid?
Yes, but I stopped getting vaccinations in my teens. I also show signs of highly functional autism... I don't know if you noticed but I can be anti-social and miss social cues sometimes...
Heh... I noticed long ago. So, were you dignosed by a healthcare pofessional, or did you just figure you'd give yourself that diagnosis?
Lokiare, out of curiosity, did you get vaccinated when you were a kid?
Yes, but I stopped getting vaccinations in my teens. I also show signs of highly functional autism... I don't know if you noticed but I can be anti-social and miss social cues sometimes...
Heh... I noticed long ago. So, were you dignosed by a healthcare pofessional, or did you just figure you'd give yourself that diagnosis?
No you are right, its probably just a personality flaw totally unrelated to mental health that I've had all my life...
Lokiare, out of curiosity, did you get vaccinated when you were a kid?
Yes, but I stopped getting vaccinations in my teens. I also show signs of highly functional autism... I don't know if you noticed but I can be anti-social and miss social cues sometimes...
Heh... I noticed long ago. So, were you dignosed by a healthcare pofessional, or did you just figure you'd give yourself that diagnosis?
No you are right, its probably just a personality flaw totally unrelated to mental health that I've had all my life...
I've made no statements about your mental state. All I've done is inquired about how you came about the autism diagnosis. So... care to answer?
Lokiare, out of curiosity, did you get vaccinated when you were a kid?
Yes, but I stopped getting vaccinations in my teens. I also show signs of highly functional autism... I don't know if you noticed but I can be anti-social and miss social cues sometimes...
Heh... I noticed long ago. So, were you dignosed by a healthcare pofessional, or did you just figure you'd give yourself that diagnosis?
No you are right, its probably just a personality flaw totally unrelated to mental health that I've had all my life...
I've made no statements about your mental state. All I've done is inquired about how you came about the autism diagnosis. So... care to answer?
My sister has an autistic child that has been diagnosed by the doctor. She told me I have most of the symptoms. I then looked it up and its true I have most of the symptoms. If I had the money I would get a doctor to diagnose me, but I don't, and wouldn't take the medication anyway...
If someone would care to foot the bill, I'd gladly get screened...
Where did he say that in the article? I didn't see that part. Also scientists in labs weaponize bacteria by exposing them to antibiotics until they become resistant to them so even if he did say that, it is actually true. Also if you disregard everything a person says because they make one mistake who are you going to get info from? Everyone is disqualified on those grounds...
I already quoted it once, but here you go (again):
Antibiotics - Chemicals that promote superbugs, which are deadly antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria that are killing tens of thousands of Americans every year.
Nowhere does he mention any other function of an antibiotic. To him, then, the only thing an antibiotic does is promote superbugs. That's factually false and his omission strongly indicates an agenda. That's why I discount him. He's not even pretending he doesn't have an agenda. He's pruposefully misleading people - like you - in order to sway them to believe his insanity.
In short, it's not a mistake. He didn't goof up. He purposefully crafted that line to mislead.
Actually the government has price caps on vaccines, so yes, its literally a way to make more money and if they went to single doses without chemicals it would make less money...
C'mon, you're seriously suggesting a powerhouse such as Big Pharma couldn't have that taken care of? So are they as powerful as you say they are or not? You can't have it both ways. They can't be these scheming, shadow gov't elements that control us if they, you know, can't actually exert any control over anything. Which is it? Is Big Pharma powerful enough to stop price caps or do they really not have as much influence on the world as you think?
My sister has an autistic child that has been diagnosed by the doctor. She told me I have most of the symptoms. I then looked it up and its true I have most of the symptoms. If I had the money I would get a doctor to diagnose me, but I don't, and wouldn't take the medication anyway...
If someone would care to foot the bill, I'd gladly get screened...
Ever heard of Medical Students Disease? You're not a trained diagnostician. Neither is your sister. In fact, she may just be a jerk.
[Ever heard of Medical Students Disease? You're not a trained diagnostician. Neither is your sister. In fact, she may just be a jerk.
Yeah, way back when I was takin' Psych at college the profs even warned us about this. Basically, once you get your hands on a DSM it's pretty inevitible that you'll see yourself in a lot of the entries. There's a reason, though, that you study the conditions as intensely as you do before you're allowed to diagnose anyone - and there's a reason you're not supposed to diagnose yourself, too. ;)
[Ever heard of Medical Students Disease? You're not a trained diagnostician. Neither is your sister. In fact, she may just be a jerk.
Yeah, way back when I was takin' Psych at college the profs even warned us about this. Basically, once you get your hands on a DSM it's pretty inevitible that you'll see yourself in a lot of the entries. There's a reason, though, that you study the conditions as intensely as you do before you're allowed to diagnose anyone - and there's a reason you're not supposed to diagnose yourself, too. ;)
I've diagnosed all of you with stupidity. I'm a professional. That'll be $500,000,000.00.
You think I'm stupid enough to pay you? Wait ...
Yes. That'll be another $1,000,000.00.
I currently do not have that amount of currency. I have however procured an image of a spider that one could value at $500,000,000.00.
I see no spider pic. I'm going to have to double the pice to $1,000,000,000,000,000,000.00.
Where did he say that in the article? I didn't see that part. Also scientists in labs weaponize bacteria by exposing them to antibiotics until they become resistant to them so even if he did say that, it is actually true. Also if you disregard everything a person says because they make one mistake who are you going to get info from? Everyone is disqualified on those grounds...
I already quoted it once, but here you go (again):Antibiotics - Chemicals that promote superbugs, which are deadly antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria that are killing tens of thousands of Americans every year.
Nowhere does he mention any other function of an antibiotic. To him, then, the only thing an antibiotic does is promote superbugs. That's factually false and his omission strongly indicates an agenda. That's why I discount him. He's not even pretending he doesn't have an agenda. He's pruposefully misleading people - like you - in order to sway them to believe his insanity.
Yeah, you may want to up your reading comprehension. Antibiotics DO promote super bugs. That's a known fact. No where does he say that's the only thing antibiotics are for. That's your own personal opinion. You then attribute an agenda to what he doesn't say.
In short, it's not a mistake. He didn't goof up. He purposefully crafted that line to mislead.
He's conveying the important informaton. Unless you are in kindergarden you should know what antibiotics do. He is simply stating one of the many negative side effects of uncontrolled antibiotic usage.
Actually the government has price caps on vaccines, so yes, its literally a way to make more money and if they went to single doses without chemicals it would make less money...
C'mon, you're seriously suggesting a powerhouse such as Big Pharma couldn't have that taken care of? So are they as powerful as you say they are or not? You can't have it both ways. They can't be these scheming, shadow gov't elements that control us if they, you know, can't actually exert any control over anything. Which is it? Is Big Pharma powerful enough to stop price caps or do they really not have as much influence on the world as you think?
Where did I say that big pharma has super powers? I said they were a corporation with a motivation for profit over any moral considerations, no where did I say Big Pharma controls the world or is part of the 'shadow government'. They can lobby, but other interests lobby back. I mean with Obama care everyone is required to get insurance which means everyone has to buy medicine through Big Pharma, no more avoiding taking pills. You either take pills or you get fined. So even though there is a cap on prices, they make way more money with it because they just doubled their customer base.
Its helps in a debate if you don't try to put words in other peoples mouths, it makes you look like a troll (note I'm not calling you a troll)...
My sister has an autistic child that has been diagnosed by the doctor. She told me I have most of the symptoms. I then looked it up and its true I have most of the symptoms. If I had the money I would get a doctor to diagnose me, but I don't, and wouldn't take the medication anyway...
If someone would care to foot the bill, I'd gladly get screened...
Ever heard of Medical Students Disease? You're not a trained diagnostician. Neither is your sister. In fact, she may just be a jerk.
Sure, I'm not a 100%. Like I said it could just be a lifelong personality quirk that I've had my entire life, but many people have asked me if I'm autistic and have pointed out that I miss social cues. You don't have to go to a doctor to know that you have a cold when your throat is sore, you are coughing, you have a headache and a runny nose...
Sure, I'm not a 100%. Like I said it could just be a lifelong personality quirk that I've had my entire life, but many people have asked me if I'm autistic and have pointed out that I miss social cues.
Two things:
1) you've mentioned that you live in a sparsly populated area. Maybe you just don't have enough expirience with social situations. Sure, you could be autistic. You could also have anyone of the other developmental disorders out there.
2) Maybe, like your sister, they were just being jerks. ;)
You don't have to go to a doctor to know that you have a cold when your throat is sore, you are coughing, you have a headache and a runny nose...
You could assume it's just a cold, but it could be far worse. A few days later, you're dead.
Seriously, it's dumb to go by what untrained people say.
Yeah, you may want to up your reading comprehension. Antibiotics DO promote super bugs. That's a known fact. No where does he say that's the only thing antibiotics are for. That's your own personal opinion. You then attribute an agenda to what he doesn't say.
See, it's in the presentation. He didn't say what they do, he said what they can do in certain special cases. By not saying what they're actually for (curing illness, preventing infection), he marginalized those things and made it appear that the only thing antibiotics do is promote superbugs. Seriously, why wouldn't he mention what antibiotics do? Why cherry pick only the negative - and not at all constant - 'use'? Reading comprehension is, it appears, more than you think it is. ;) For someone as well versed in conspiracy theory as yourself, it's somewhat surprising that you fail to see multiple levels at play here.
He's conveying the important informaton. Unless you are in kindergarden you should know what antibiotics do. He is simply stating one of the many negative side effects of uncontrolled antibiotic usage.
Know what's important? That antibiotics cure illness and prevent infection and they do so far, far more often than they promote superbugs. He didn't say the good things because he wants his audience to see antibiotics as only bad. He's purposefully presenting this the way he is in order to create a specific feeling in his audience. And that's not honest. It's not presenting facts as facts. It's manipulative agenda pushing.
Where did I say that big pharma has super powers? I said they were a corporation with a motivation for profit over any moral considerations, no where did I say Big Pharma controls the world or is part of the 'shadow government'. They can lobby, but other interests lobby back. I mean with Obama care everyone is required to get insurance which means everyone has to buy medicine through Big Pharma, no more avoiding taking pills. You either take pills or you get fined. So even though there is a cap on prices, they make way more money with it because they just doubled their customer base.
Its helps in a debate if you don't try to put words in other peoples mouths, it makes you look like a troll (note I'm not calling you a troll)...
So what you're saying is that Big Pharma does, in fact, have a way to make more money and that they simply haven't exercised it yet.
Excellent. My plan is nearly complete.
Joke's on you, each of these spiders is missing a leg! They're also stolen.
Wasn't the man behind the "vaccines cause autism" study arrested for falsifying his results on this?
I mean with Obama care everyone is required to get insurance which means everyone has to buy medicine through Big Pharma, no more avoiding taking pills. You either take pills or you get fined. So even though there is a cap on prices, they make way more money with it because they just doubled their customer base.
Um, actually, no.
See, you have to get insurance. No where are you required to use it. For that matter, check what the fine is for not having insurance. And then check to see what the IRS is allowed to do if you don't pay it.
Excellent. My plan is nearly complete.
Joke's on you, each of these spiders is missing a leg! They're also stolen.
What wild accusations you have... I had obtained those images from a legitimate source.
Excellent. My plan is nearly complete.
Joke's on you, each of these spiders is missing a leg! They're also stolen.
What wild accusations you have... I had obtained those images from a legitimate source.
It matters not. THe spiders will be sacrificed to further my plan.
Which is a reasonable conclusion.
No, it's not. You might want to re-read that a couple times and see if you can figure out why his conclusion isn't supported by the facts presented.
Your kidding right? Saying that corporations will shave a few bucks off for profit to provide slightly cheaper products which will increase sales is some how an unreasonable thing to come away from that with?
Yeah, because corporations don't ever do anything that puts profit above morals (oh wait, Enron did, and the others did when they bought the toxic housing derivatives, WotC laid people off right before Christmas). I'd like to live in your dreamland where corporations are nice and people aren't greedy...
Okay. I'm convinced. You have no reading comprehension or basic logic skills.
Let us look at the facts as presented.
1) The FDA requires preservatives in multi-dose vaccines
2) Drug companies could produce single-dose vaccines without preservatives
3) Multi-dose vaccines are more profitable than single-dose vaccines
4) Multi-dose vaccines are preferred over single-dose vaccines because they are cheaper per dose and require less storage space
Now, let us look at the conclusion.
The only reason children are vaccinated is for health-care providers to make money and save shelf space.
There is no way to stretch logic to reach that conclusion from those facts. If it had said "The reason children are vaccinated using multi-dose vaccines instead of single-dose vaccines is to generate more profit and save shelf space", then the facts presented would have supported it. It didn't.
Note: I used the word "facts" for simplicity. I make no claim that any statements made in the article are factual or accurate. I am not a doctor, pharmacist, chemist, or lawyer.
Sure, I'm not a 100%. Like I said it could just be a lifelong personality quirk that I've had my entire life, but many people have asked me if I'm autistic and have pointed out that I miss social cues.
Two things:
1) you've mentioned that you live in a sparsly populated area. Maybe you just don't have enough expirience with social situations. Sure, you could be autistic. You could also have anyone of the other developmental disorders out there.
2) Maybe, like your sister, they were just being jerks. ;)You don't have to go to a doctor to know that you have a cold when your throat is sore, you are coughing, you have a headache and a runny nose...
You could assume it's just a cold, but it could be far worse. A few days later, you're dead.
Seriously, it's dumb to go by what untrained people say.
Well, I'm not going to get a $1000 fine for not having insurance when I go to the doctor to find out due to Obummercare... So unless someone wants to pay for my diagnosis...
Sure, I'm not a 100%. Like I said it could just be a lifelong personality quirk that I've had my entire life, but many people have asked me if I'm autistic and have pointed out that I miss social cues.
Two things:
1) you've mentioned that you live in a sparsly populated area. Maybe you just don't have enough expirience with social situations. Sure, you could be autistic. You could also have anyone of the other developmental disorders out there.
2) Maybe, like your sister, they were just being jerks. ;)You don't have to go to a doctor to know that you have a cold when your throat is sore, you are coughing, you have a headache and a runny nose...
You could assume it's just a cold, but it could be far worse. A few days later, you're dead.
Seriously, it's dumb to go by what untrained people say.
Well, I'm not going to get a $1000 fine for not having insurance when I go to the doctor to find out due to Obummercare... So unless someone wants to pay for my diagnosis...
Twothings: 1. The provision requiring that people get insurance has not gone into effect yet; 2. You're pooor. You'll either get subsidies to help you pay (or pay completely) for insurance, or you'll qualify for the expanded medicare. You're safe.
Aside from that, what does the affordable healthcare act have to do with you not having gove to a medical professional for the last howevermany years and be diagnosed? If you're going to make an argument, at least try to make sense. Try to keep on topic, know what I mean? ;)
Loki, hon, here's what antibiotics do: They kill bacteria. Actually, they are generally toxic in decently-sized doses. Because what they do is kill things. But, y'know, here's something else, it's called survival of the fittest: When the weak ones die, and the strong ones live, then the strong ones reproduce and make more strong ones. If on a proper dose, all the bugs in someone will be killed, and none will survive to reproduce to make more resistant ones. However, when ****es decide they don't wanna take the gross pill, they let the bugs with a resistance survive and spread.
If you really don't understand the absolute basics, I don't see the point in wasting my time teaching you what you should have learned in elementary school.
Anyways, if the objective was to make a "super bug," like all conspiracies, it falls to one of the most basic tests: Ease. It'd be easier to make the diseases immune in a lab, and then release it into the populace. Less risky, too. And, with the diseases immune to antibiotics, how would the eeebil-ske-entists of D00M!!!!11one! make sure they weren't killed by their own bug.
And there is no agent in vaccines that can conceivably cause autism. But, of course, it's easier to blame the evil conspiracy than simply poor genetic material or crappy luck.
What you don't understand is they give anti-biotics to cattle and farm animals and don't check whether the bacteria is kills or still thriving. This is what causes super bugs. It also happens in hospitals when nurses and doctors don't do any tests and based purely on a few symptoms stand handing out antibiotics like candy.
Yes, I see you have anger issues and have problems dealing in facts. Your first paragraph is decent, but then you devolve into name calling, insults, and hyperbole. None of which is helpful to a constructive conversation. I ignore stuff like that and pick the facts out of posts, so you made zero impression on me except to reiterate what I have already admitted: That in the proper environment antibiotics can be used to kill off bacteria.
You also throw out a straw man and claim that my argument was that they are 'making super bugs' as their goal to kill people. My argument was that carelessness and ignorance causes antibiotics to create super bugs. Nothing more and nothing less. antibiotics as they are used now are dangerous and should only be used in dire situations like when a patients own immune system can't fight off an infection.
As to making things immune in labs, that goes on too. Remember that Organic vegetable scare over in europe last year? You know the one they first blamed on carrots and then lettuce or whatever. You remember how it suddenly dropped out of the news without anyone finding out what happened. Yeah, some Organic farmers got a hold of a sample of the super bug and had it double blind tested in a lab and it turns out it originated in a lab and had all the markings of a GMO and weaponized strain...
Sure, I'm not a 100%. Like I said it could just be a lifelong personality quirk that I've had my entire life, but many people have asked me if I'm autistic and have pointed out that I miss social cues.
Two things:
1) you've mentioned that you live in a sparsly populated area. Maybe you just don't have enough expirience with social situations. Sure, you could be autistic. You could also have anyone of the other developmental disorders out there.
2) Maybe, like your sister, they were just being jerks. ;)You don't have to go to a doctor to know that you have a cold when your throat is sore, you are coughing, you have a headache and a runny nose...
You could assume it's just a cold, but it could be far worse. A few days later, you're dead.
Seriously, it's dumb to go by what untrained people say.
Well, I'm not going to get a $1000 fine for not having insurance when I go to the doctor to find out due to Obummercare... So unless someone wants to pay for my diagnosis...
Twothings: 1. The provision requiring that people get insurance has not gone into effect yet; 2. You're pooor. You'll either get subsidies to help you pay (or pay completely) for insurance, or you'll qualify for the expanded medicare. You're safe.
Aside from that, what does the affordable healthcare act have to do with you not having gove to a medical professional for the last howevermany years and be diagnosed? If you're going to make an argument, at least try to make sense. Try to keep on topic, know what I mean? ;)
None of the medical insurance I've ever had covers mental illness. So I would have to pay the thousands of dollars to get diagnosed out of pocket. Also I'm lazy...er... Chronic Fatigue Syndromed....
None of the medical insurance I've ever had covers mental illness. So I would have to pay the thousands of dollars to get diagnosed out of pocket. Also I'm lazy...er... Chronic Fatigue Syndromed....
Fortunately, thanks to a provision started by G.W. Bush, and implemented by Obama in the Affordable Healthcare Act, mental illness is covered. But again, that doesn't mean much. You could have gone to a University medical schol or psychology department. Grad students working on their thesis and dissertations, and upervised by professors with years of expirience, would have helped you out for a minimal price. At the University of Miami, they offer all types of help for people with various problems. $10.00 and you're good to go. You can afford $10.00, right?
None of the medical insurance I've ever had covers mental illness. So I would have to pay the thousands of dollars to get diagnosed out of pocket. Also I'm lazy...er... Chronic Fatigue Syndromed....
Fortunately, thanks to a provision started by G.W. Bush, and implemented by Obama in the Affordable Healthcare Act, mental illness is covered. But again, that doesn't mean much. You could have gone to a University medical schol or psychology department. Grad students working on their thesis and dissertations, and upervised by professors with years of expirience, would have helped you out for a minimal price. At the University of Miami, they offer all types of help for people with various problems. $10.00 and you're good to go. You can afford $10.00, right?
Uh... well...
What you don't understand is they give anti-biotics to cattle and farm animals and don't check whether the bacteria is kills or still thriving. This is what causes super bugs. It also happens in hospitals when nurses and doctors don't do any tests and based purely on a few symptoms stand handing out antibiotics like candy.
Uh, bro? Evidence. Y'see, antibiotics are really good at killing things. There are plenty of reasons for being worried about factory farms, but antibiotics are not topping my list.
Here's a good article on it.
Here's another one.
And your psycho-nurse theory? Yeah, no. First off, let's see evidence. Seriously. I'm sure these evil nurses make great horror stories for Alex Jones, but, like voter fraud, it just doesn't happen.
Nurses do what the doctor tells them. If the doctor tells them to give antibiotics they will...
Yes, I see you have anger issues and have problems dealing in facts. Your first paragraph is decent, but then you devolve into name calling, insults, and hyperbole. None of which is helpful to a constructive conversation. I ignore stuff like that and pick the facts out of posts, so you made zero impression on me except to reiterate what I have already admitted: That in the proper environment antibiotics can be used to kill off bacteria.
Bro? Get over your victim complex. You have the problems with facts. You believe that things designed to kill bugs are being used by the council to create multi-resistant diseases, despite being about the least efficient way possible to do so.
Apparently you don't know what a straw man is. Here let me educate you:
A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
No where did I say or indicate that anything about a 'council' creating 'multi-resistant diseases', that's all you...
Bro? Only things I said in there were fact.You also throw out a straw man and claim that my argument was that they are 'making super bugs' as their goal to kill people. My argument was that carelessness and ignorance causes antibiotics to create super bugs. Nothing more and nothing less. antibiotics as they are used now are dangerous and should only be used in dire situations like when a patients own immune system can't fight off an infection.
Funny. Your only source says otherwise.
Nope, go read the OP article yet again. I suggest not doing anything right before as hallucinations are not conducive to reading comprehension...
But, fine, let's say that's your argument. You, again, don't understand how disease works. You get infections because your immune system can't fight it off. And people died from them. And if people follow the instruction, there are no problems whatsoever. Seriously, can you please learn the very basics before acting like an expert.
An infection is literally a foreign thing in your body which your body is fighting off, usually a bacteria. An infection that doesn't go away is when your immune system can't fight it off. Please take your own advice, maybe go read a high school book on medicine...
As to making things immune in labs, that goes on too. Remember that Organic vegetable scare over in europe last year? You know the one they first blamed on carrots and then lettuce or whatever. You remember how it suddenly dropped out of the news without anyone finding out what happened. Yeah, some Organic farmers got a hold of a sample of the super bug and had it double blind tested in a lab and it turns out it originated in a lab and had all the markings of a GMO and weaponized strain...
What.
I think the Kool-Aid is getting to you, bro.
Seriously, bro? If these evil terrorists wanted to killl everyone, they'd use a much more infectious disease. So, Loki, are these terrorists hypercompitent evil geniuses who are too smart to be caught, or are they complete idiots who can't even figure out how to pull a simple terrorist attack?
Here's the article, it helps if you read. I know its hard and gives you a headache, but sometimes you just have to push through the pain...
Here's a good article on it.
Here's another one.
You have an odd definition of "good." And "article."Nurses do what the doctor tells them. If the doctor tells them to give antibiotics they will...
And, of course, all these evil doctors are together on the conspiracy and shun those who tell the truth of it
Y'see, there's a thing called med school. Doctors are trained for this sorta thing.Apparently you don't know what a straw man is. Here let me educate you:
A straw man, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
No where did I say or indicate that anything about a 'council' creating 'multi-resistant diseases', that's all you...
You're right. You're suggesting that some unnamed group is weaponizing e coli. And showing a horrible lack of understanding of biology. I totally made up the idea that the group was a council.
Or, in other words, beyond your troubles with "fact" and biology, you need to brush up on your informal logic.Nope, go read the OP article yet again. I suggest not doing anything right before as hallucinations are not conducive to reading comprehension...
It says the purpose of antibiotics is to create "superbugs." You're the one who's tripping, bro.An infection is literally a foreign thing in your body which your body is fighting off, usually a bacteria. An infection that doesn't go away is when your immune system can't fight it off. Please take your own advice, maybe go read a high school book on medicine...
First off, I'd assume you would have sufficient communication skills to understand this "context" thing. Like how I really shouldn't have to specify "visible" or "bacterial" in a conversation about disease and antibiotics. I apologize for assuming you had superior social skills to a five-year old.
Are you going to make me spell this out? Bacterial infections don't take care of themselves. There's a reason so many people died from bacterial infections before antibiotics were discovered.Here's the article, it helps if you read. I know its hard and gives you a headache, but sometimes you just have to push through the pain...
Loki, hon. The article you're linking to just states that it's a rare strain. And some bad biology. No evil conspiracy.Here's another good one that talks about the immunites the bacteria has.
And here we have a site loaded with conspiracy theories and support of pseudoscience. Yawn.
Look, why don't you actually try presenting evidence instead of hurling insults and trolling. Those articles I linked have more evidence in them than anything you've said in any post in this entire thread. Please do yourself a favor and try to find some evidence that opposed mine. Also quit with the conspiracy theory crap, straw mans (I never said some unnamed group is trying to weaponize bacteria to kill people), and misrepresentations of the articles I post/link to. Try to understand what I'm saying and what's actually there. Its simple.
No where do I or the article say anything about unnamed groups trying to weaponize bacteria to kill people. Nor did either one of us say that the only purpose of bacteria is to create super bugs. Only that many super bugs exist because of overuse or inappropriate use of antibiotics...
You keep exaggerating and baiting. Its a wonder you can hold a conversation at all...
None of the medical insurance I've ever had covers mental illness. So I would have to pay the thousands of dollars to get diagnosed out of pocket. Also I'm lazy...er... Chronic Fatigue Syndromed....
Fortunately, thanks to a provision started by G.W. Bush, and implemented by Obama in the Affordable Healthcare Act, mental illness is covered. But again, that doesn't mean much. You could have gone to a University medical schol or psychology department. Grad students working on their thesis and dissertations, and upervised by professors with years of expirience, would have helped you out for a minimal price. At the University of Miami, they offer all types of help for people with various problems. $10.00 and you're good to go. You can afford $10.00, right?
Uh... well...
Is this how conspiracy theorists react to actual facts?
None of the medical insurance I've ever had covers mental illness. So I would have to pay the thousands of dollars to get diagnosed out of pocket. Also I'm lazy...er... Chronic Fatigue Syndromed....
Fortunately, thanks to a provision started by G.W. Bush, and implemented by Obama in the Affordable Healthcare Act, mental illness is covered. But again, that doesn't mean much. You could have gone to a University medical schol or psychology department. Grad students working on their thesis and dissertations, and upervised by professors with years of expirience, would have helped you out for a minimal price. At the University of Miami, they offer all types of help for people with various problems. $10.00 and you're good to go. You can afford $10.00, right?
Uh... well...
Is this how conspiracy theorists react to actual facts?
It seems to be, doesn't it?
None of the medical insurance I've ever had covers mental illness. So I would have to pay the thousands of dollars to get diagnosed out of pocket. Also I'm lazy...er... Chronic Fatigue Syndromed....
Fortunately, thanks to a provision started by G.W. Bush, and implemented by Obama in the Affordable Healthcare Act, mental illness is covered. But again, that doesn't mean much. You could have gone to a University medical schol or psychology department. Grad students working on their thesis and dissertations, and upervised by professors with years of expirience, would have helped you out for a minimal price. At the University of Miami, they offer all types of help for people with various problems. $10.00 and you're good to go. You can afford $10.00, right?
Uh... well...
Is this how conspiracy theorists react to actual facts?
I was responding to the $10.00 part...
None of the medical insurance I've ever had covers mental illness. So I would have to pay the thousands of dollars to get diagnosed out of pocket. Also I'm lazy...er... Chronic Fatigue Syndromed....
Fortunately, thanks to a provision started by G.W. Bush, and implemented by Obama in the Affordable Healthcare Act, mental illness is covered. But again, that doesn't mean much. You could have gone to a University medical schol or psychology department. Grad students working on their thesis and dissertations, and upervised by professors with years of expirience, would have helped you out for a minimal price. At the University of Miami, they offer all types of help for people with various problems. $10.00 and you're good to go. You can afford $10.00, right?
Uh... well...
Is this how conspiracy theorists react to actual facts?
I was responding to the $10.00 part...
That was one of the many facts in the post. So yes, that is how you react to facts.
Look, why don't you actually try presenting evidence instead of hurling insults and trolling.
Once you do, I'll gladly follow suit
Really? Where am I insulting or trolling?
Those articles I linked have more evidence in them than anything you've said in any post in this entire thread.
Which one? The one that doesn't support anything you say, the one that claims the e coli was weaponized, or the one that claims the purpose of antibiotics is "creating superbugs?"
And another reading comprehension fail on your part. Are you out of elementary school yet? Because if not I can cut you some slack. If you are, you may need to take some remedial reading classes. No where does anyone claim the sole purpose of antibiotics is to 'create super bugs'. The first article lays out that the E. Coli has plague DNA. Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab. Even if it somehow managed to do that in nature, the second article describes the various antibiotics that it is immune to, the number it is immune to is a direct indication that it was bred in a lab since those antibiotics don't happen in nature. Its also possible it was bred in a factory farm setting where cows wade knee deep in their own feces. Either way the story was dropped before they found the source...
Please do yourself a favor and try to find some evidence that opposed mine.
You need to supply evidence for me to oppose.Also quit with the conspiracy theory crap,
Then stop posting conspiracy theories
Ok, let us first educate you on what a conspiracy theory is:
"Conspiracy - The act of two or more persons, called conspirators, working secretly to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations."
Its also important to note, that you are doing this to every post I make:
"Aside from controversies over the merits of particular conspiratorial claims, the general discussion of conspiracy theory is itself a matter of some public contention. Conspiracy theorists on the internet are often dismissed as a "fringe" group, but evidence suggests that a broad cross section of Americans today—traversing ethnic, gender, education, occupation, and other divides—gives credence to at least some conspiracy theories.
Given this popular understanding of the term, it can also be used illegitimately and inappropriately, as a means to dismiss what are in fact substantial and well-evidenced accusations."
Now that you've been shown that it is bad form to dismiss what people say as a conspiracy theory, how about some actual facts. Its not hard, you can go to www.startpage.com and type in a search term and easily find information on what you are looking for...
straw mans (I never said some unnamed group is trying to weaponize bacteria to kill people)
Reread that "food Freedoms" link you posted. I know this "reading" Thing is difficult, but I have faith in you
You mean the one where they don't say anything about that kind of stuff. where the only thing they say is that antibiotics cause super bugs (which is a factual statement)?
and misrepresentations of the articles I post/link to
First off, they're really blogs, at best. Second off, by "misrepresenting," do you mean "accurately portraying their contents?"
First off they are registered news organizations and they have reporters, and their own studio, etc...etc... basically everything the main stream media has except they don't accept bail outs from the government to give to their board members as bonuses...
You haven't portrayed anything accurately yet, just endless insults and hyperbole. I'm still waiting for a single fact to come from you to support anything. I mean if I'm on such shaky ground you should be able to end the discussion with a few well placed facts, however you are unable to do so...
Try to understand what I'm saying and what's actually there. Its simple.
Yeah, it is. Evil zionist NWO people want to eat your brains.
See now I know you are just trolling. Since I have repeatedly stated that none of that was said by me or any of my links. Please go troll someone else, or you know pick up a book and educate yourself on how the real world works...Hint: Love makes the world go round...Love of money that is...
No where do I or the article say anything about unnamed groups trying to weaponize bacteria to kill people.
Then you don't read your own articles.Nor did either one of us say that the only purpose of bacteria is to create super bugs.
See above, buddy. First link in the thread.Only that many super bugs exist because of overuse or inappropriate use of antibiotics...
Then you really need to review your links before posting.You keep exaggerating and baiting. Its a wonder you can hold a conversation at all...
Seriously, hon? I don't know where to start with this.
I understand you don't know what a discussion is or how to participate in one. Here let me give you some links so maybe you can start learning...
How to discuss in a group
Here's a nice article about using logic
Aimed at teacher, this article has all the information a beginner elementary school student needs to debate a topic
Unfortunately I couldn't find an article about how to teach debate and discussion to a kindergarden student...
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
BOO-YA!
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
This is interesting since you also said this:
Its also possible it was bred in a factory farm setting where cows wade knee deep in their own feces.
So yeah, looks like you yourself have provided another explanation ... and then still, for some reason, said it can only be accomplished in a lab. It's almost like you want that to be true so badly that you're blind even to alternate explanations you yourself have presented.
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
I'll try to make this simple without losing too many important points.
Different antibiotics target different types of infections. Bacteria can be put into 3 basic groups and each antibiotic does better against a certain group. There are gram positive bacteria which penicillins are effective against, gram negative bacteria for which we have antibiotics like Cipro, and anaerobic bacteria which Flagyl works well against. Some antibiotics work reasonably well against more than one group.
Simple enough so far. Let's get a little more complicated.
Some antibiotics target different functions. Penicillins interfere with the cell walls of bacteria, many antibiotics interfere with the way microbes copy their genes, and some affect how microbes make folate. Some antibiotics kill microbes outright, and others slow them down and just keep them from reproducing until our immune system catches up or they die of old age.
Lastly, different antibiotics have a tendency to go to different parts of the body. Bactrim likes to head for the urinary system, so it is good to treat UTIs. Penicillins sometimes have trouble getting through to the brain so another antibiotic might be used in meningitis. Other antibiotics might spend more time in the respiratory system, etc.
Now let's look at some history.
Everybody knows that antibiotics weren't invented until 1942. That means that bacteria have only had 70 years to develop resistances. Of course, "everybody" is wrong. 1942 marks the year that the manufacturing process for Penicillin was invented. People were using antibiotics before then.
Let's go back to 1935 when the first sulfa drug was discovered by German chemist Gerhard Domagk. Well, crap, that's still only 77 years ago. We have to dig deeper.
In the 1890s, Rudolf Emmerich and Oscar Low were the first to make an effective medication that they called pyocyanase from microbes. It was the first antibiotic to be used in hospitals. However, the drug often did not work. That's interesting. Around 120 years ago hospitals were treating patients with an antibiotic that wasn't all that effective in killing bacteria. I wonder if it contributed to stronger strains. Still, that's not very long ago.
Going back even further, we find that the ancient Egyptians, Chinese, and Central American Indians all used molds to treat wounds and illness. They didn't know they were using a very basic form of antibiotic, of course. They just knew it could help sick people.
Now let's take a look at some numbers.
Yersinia Pestis, one if the 3 plague bacteria, has a generational cycle of about 1.25 hours. That equates to approximately 7012 generations per year. Going back just to 1942, that's about 490,885 generations. If we go back 120 years, we're looking at 841,517 generations. If we wander back about 5000 years, to the time of the ancient Egyptians, we get 35,060,000 generations of Y. Pestis. That seems, to me, like Y. Pestis has had all kinds of opportunity to improve itself.
I want to know how we stop Obama,
That's easy.
Vote for Mitt.
Yeah, that is why he wanted to insult people in front of the apple store.
Tough love.
I want to know how we stop Obama,
That's easy.
Vote for Mitt.
But Obama won't let you cause he weaponized Sandy.
So?
Dubya was seen in SCUBA gear just prior to the levee in New Orleans blowing up after Katrina.
Coincidence?
I want to know how we stop Obama,
That's easy.
Vote for Mitt.
But Obama won't let you cause he weaponized Sandy.
So?
Dubya was seen in SCUBA gear just prior to the levee in New Orleans blowing up after Katrina.
Coincidence?
Of course not. He wanted to ruin Condi's chances of running for prez cause she was a woman and black.
Right...
Why is everything racial to you?
Are you suffering from that make-believe condition called "white- guilt"?
Here's what's really in vaccines www.naturalnews.com/037653_vaccine_addit...
OMG chemicals! Chemicals are bad m'kay.
Dude...first of all that site has a definite agenda.
Second, lots of things can be either good or bad or neutral depending on how they are used. Botulism toxin is one of the deadliest toxins on the planet and yet rich people get it injected in their faces all the time. Pesticides are basically diluted nerve agents but they generally don't kill humans. Too much oxygen or too much water (and I'm not even talking about drowning, just overhydrating) can kill you. So saying that there are trace amounts of something that you wouldn't normally want to put in your body is pretty meaningless.
Yeah I'm a bit late here...haven't been in the OTT for a while.
Yeah, you may want to up your reading comprehension. Antibiotics DO promote super bugs. That's a known fact. No where does he say that's the only thing antibiotics are for. That's your own personal opinion. You then attribute an agenda to what he doesn't say.
No...evolution (whoa isn't that another conspiracy?) combined with improper/overuse of antibiotics promote superbugs.
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
That is a legitimate and well-established issue. However, so long as our medical practices are run like a business, and ignorant customers demand to be given something even when it will have minimal if any results, you can expect the practice to continue.
Yeah I'm a bit late here...haven't been in the OTT for a while.
She left you, didn't she?
Still not sure how it's going to work out.
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
You are right. There is a 1 in a billion chance it could have happened randomly...
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
You are right. There is a 1 in a billion chance it could have happened randomly...
So you don't know anything about probabilities either? Well, this is going to be extra entertaining.
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
You are right. There is a 1 in a billion chance it could have happened randomly...
Even if it's a "1 in a billion" chance, do you have any idea how short a bacterial generation is? Or how many individual examples of the species there are? That one in a billion will occur multiple times. After that, it's just a case of natural selection (in this case, antibiotics killing less-resistant organisms) leading to the surviving, fitter organisms making up the majority of the population.
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
I'll try to make this simple without losing too many important points.
Different antibiotics target different types of infections. Bacteria can be put into 3 basic groups and each antibiotic does better against a certain group. There are gram positive bacteria which penicillins are effective against, gram negative bacteria for which we have antibiotics like Cipro, and anaerobic bacteria which Flagyl works well against. Some antibiotics work reasonably well against more than one group.
Simple enough so far. Let's get a little more complicated.
Some antibiotics target different functions. Penicillins interfere with the cell walls of bacteria, many antibiotics interfere with the way microbes copy their genes, and some affect how microbes make folate. Some antibiotics kill microbes outright, and others slow them down and just keep them from reproducing until our immune system catches up or they die of old age.
Lastly, different antibiotics have a tendency to go to different parts of the body. Bactrim likes to head for the urinary system, so it is good to treat UTIs. Penicillins sometimes have trouble getting through to the brain so another antibiotic might be used in meningitis. Other antibiotics might spend more time in the respiratory system, etc.
Now let's look at some history.
Everybody knows that antibiotics weren't invented until 1942. That means that bacteria have only had 70 years to develop resistances. Of course, "everybody" is wrong. 1942 marks the year that the manufacturing process for Penicillin was invented. People were using antibiotics before then.
Let's go back to 1935 when the first sulfa drug was discovered by German chemist Gerhard Domagk. Well, crap, that's still only 77 years ago. We have to dig deeper.
In the 1890s, Rudolf Emmerich and Oscar Low were the first to make an effective medication that they called pyocyanase from microbes. It was the first antibiotic to be used in hospitals. However, the drug often did not work. That's interesting. Around 120 years ago hospitals were treating patients with an antibiotic that wasn't all that effective in killing bacteria. I wonder if it contributed to stronger strains. Still, that's not very long ago.
Going back even further, we find that the ancient Egyptians, Chinese, and Central American Indians all used molds to treat wounds and illness. They didn't know they were using a very basic form of antibiotic, of course. They just knew it could help sick people.
Now let's take a look at some numbers.
Yersinia Pestis, one if the 3 plague bacteria, has a generational cycle of about 1.25 hours. That equates to approximately 7012 generations per year. Going back just to 1942, that's about 490,885 generations. If we go back 120 years, we're looking at 841,517 generations. If we wander back about 5000 years, to the time of the ancient Egyptians, we get 35,060,000 generations of Y. Pestis. That seems, to me, like Y. Pestis has had all kinds of opportunity to improve itself.
Well first off no new genetic data is added to bacteria. At least not any that scientists who sequence bacterial DNA can find. Bacteria swap DNA with each other so its possible to find the right combination to be immune to nearly all antibiotics, but it can only happen in a lab where they are bred for it. Without the lab breeding, they can usually get immune to 2-3 antibiotics. More than that and its a red flag. Further they sequenced the DNA of this bacteria and found markers that indicated it was a genetically modified organim, whether it was swapped DNA or whether the bacteria itself was designed. Now it could have been completely accidental, but that it came out of a lab at some point is a factual statement.
Did you forget that lokiare doesn't support the theory of evolution, jetshield?
I have to see scientific evidence, they can't produce any beyond their Homonculous Fallacy theory
Oh yeah ...
You guys are no fun. With all your strong arguments and need to be right, Loki won't come back to enlighten us.
I want to know how we stop Obama, Sandy, Big Pharma and the Illuminati, damn it!
Yep, didn't mention the Illuminati anywhere. Straw man. Big Pharma is a giant corporation, everyone knows giant corporations are like machines, they don't care about people, they care about money.
He'll be back. He cares about us too much to leave us without making sure we understand the real truth.
Well, I'd like a logical fact filled discussion, but no one has brought any real arguments, only dismissal and ridicule.
Yeah, that is why he wanted to insult people in front of the apple store.
I'm not insulting them. I'm educating them. There is a difference.
Here's what's really in vaccines www.naturalnews.com/037653_vaccine_addit...
OMG chemicals! Chemicals are bad m'kay.
Dude...first of all that site has a definite agenda.
Second, lots of things can be either good or bad or neutral depending on how they are used. Botulism toxin is one of the deadliest toxins on the planet and yet rich people get it injected in their faces all the time. Pesticides are basically diluted nerve agents but they generally don't kill humans. Too much oxygen or too much water (and I'm not even talking about drowning, just overhydrating) can kill you. So saying that there are trace amounts of something that you wouldn't normally want to put in your body is pretty meaningless.
Yeah I'm a bit late here...haven't been in the OTT for a while.
Yeah, and many of these chemicals have been tested in the doses they are found in vaccines and have been classified as dangerous and harmful, but somehow the FDA overlooks that and lets them be put into vaccines which then get injected directly into the blood of developing children. It couldn't be the FDA revolving door could it?
Yeah, you may want to up your reading comprehension. Antibiotics DO promote super bugs. That's a known fact. No where does he say that's the only thing antibiotics are for. That's your own personal opinion. You then attribute an agenda to what he doesn't say.
No...evolution (whoa isn't that another conspiracy?) combined with improper/overuse of antibiotics promote superbugs.
Evolution is simply a popular unproven theory. Which like many things became political in nature and the truth can't really be revealed until the politics are removed...
So what will happen in the next few weeks with the presidential elections, Loki?
It doesn't matter...the Shadow Government controls both candidates anyway.
So what will happen in the next few weeks with the presidential elections, Loki?
It doesn't matter...the Shadow Government controls both candidates anyway.
What's this shadow government stuff you are talking about.
Its big businesses owning both candidates
I want those FEMA reeducation camps because Obama will delcare marshal law!
How else will I get RH to love me if he is not reeducated?
Uh, well you could try being a nice person... that usually helps...
I've been seeing you over in the 5E forums... Who let you out of your cage here in the OTT?
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
This is interesting since you also said this:
Its also possible it was bred in a factory farm setting where cows wade knee deep in their own feces.
So yeah, looks like you yourself have provided another explanation ... and then still, for some reason, said it can only be accomplished in a lab. It's almost like you want that to be true so badly that you're blind even to alternate explanations you yourself have presented.
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
I'll try to make this simple without losing too many important points.
Different antibiotics target different types of infections. Bacteria can be put into 3 basic groups and each antibiotic does better against a certain group. There are gram positive bacteria which penicillins are effective against, gram negative bacteria for which we have antibiotics like Cipro, and anaerobic bacteria which Flagyl works well against. Some antibiotics work reasonably well against more than one group.
Simple enough so far. Let's get a little more complicated.
Some antibiotics target different functions. Penicillins interfere with the cell walls of bacteria, many antibiotics interfere with the way microbes copy their genes, and some affect how microbes make folate. Some antibiotics kill microbes outright, and others slow them down and just keep them from reproducing until our immune system catches up or they die of old age.
Lastly, different antibiotics have a tendency to go to different parts of the body. Bactrim likes to head for the urinary system, so it is good to treat UTIs. Penicillins sometimes have trouble getting through to the brain so another antibiotic might be used in meningitis. Other antibiotics might spend more time in the respiratory system, etc.
Now let's look at some history.
Everybody knows that antibiotics weren't invented until 1942. That means that bacteria have only had 70 years to develop resistances. Of course, "everybody" is wrong. 1942 marks the year that the manufacturing process for Penicillin was invented. People were using antibiotics before then.
Let's go back to 1935 when the first sulfa drug was discovered by German chemist Gerhard Domagk. Well, crap, that's still only 77 years ago. We have to dig deeper.
In the 1890s, Rudolf Emmerich and Oscar Low were the first to make an effective medication that they called pyocyanase from microbes. It was the first antibiotic to be used in hospitals. However, the drug often did not work. That's interesting. Around 120 years ago hospitals were treating patients with an antibiotic that wasn't all that effective in killing bacteria. I wonder if it contributed to stronger strains. Still, that's not very long ago.
Going back even further, we find that the ancient Egyptians, Chinese, and Central American Indians all used molds to treat wounds and illness. They didn't know they were using a very basic form of antibiotic, of course. They just knew it could help sick people.
Now let's take a look at some numbers.
Yersinia Pestis, one if the 3 plague bacteria, has a generational cycle of about 1.25 hours. That equates to approximately 7012 generations per year. Going back just to 1942, that's about 490,885 generations. If we go back 120 years, we're looking at 841,517 generations. If we wander back about 5000 years, to the time of the ancient Egyptians, we get 35,060,000 generations of Y. Pestis. That seems, to me, like Y. Pestis has had all kinds of opportunity to improve itself.
I want to know how we stop Obama,
That's easy.
Vote for Mitt.
Yeah, that is why he wanted to insult people in front of the apple store.
Tough love.
I want to know how we stop Obama,
That's easy.
Vote for Mitt.
But Obama won't let you cause he weaponized Sandy.
So?
Dubya was seen in SCUBA gear just prior to the levee in New Orleans blowing up after Katrina.
Coincidence?
I want to know how we stop Obama,
That's easy.
Vote for Mitt.
But Obama won't let you cause he weaponized Sandy.
So?
Dubya was seen in SCUBA gear just prior to the levee in New Orleans blowing up after Katrina.
Coincidence?
Of course not. He wanted to ruin Condi's chances of running for prez cause she was a woman and black.
Right...
Why is everything racial to you?
Are you suffering from that make-believe condition called "white- guilt"?
Here's what's really in vaccines www.naturalnews.com/037653_vaccine_addit...
OMG chemicals! Chemicals are bad m'kay.
Dude...first of all that site has a definite agenda.
Second, lots of things can be either good or bad or neutral depending on how they are used. Botulism toxin is one of the deadliest toxins on the planet and yet rich people get it injected in their faces all the time. Pesticides are basically diluted nerve agents but they generally don't kill humans. Too much oxygen or too much water (and I'm not even talking about drowning, just overhydrating) can kill you. So saying that there are trace amounts of something that you wouldn't normally want to put in your body is pretty meaningless.
Yeah I'm a bit late here...haven't been in the OTT for a while.
Yeah, you may want to up your reading comprehension. Antibiotics DO promote super bugs. That's a known fact. No where does he say that's the only thing antibiotics are for. That's your own personal opinion. You then attribute an agenda to what he doesn't say.
No...evolution (whoa isn't that another conspiracy?) combined with improper/overuse of antibiotics promote superbugs.
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
That is a legitimate and well-established issue. However, so long as our medical practices are run like a business, and ignorant customers demand to be given something even when it will have minimal if any results, you can expect the practice to continue.
Yeah I'm a bit late here...haven't been in the OTT for a while.
She left you, didn't she?
Still not sure how it's going to work out.
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
You are right. There is a 1 in a billion chance it could have happened randomly...
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
You are right. There is a 1 in a billion chance it could have happened randomly...
So you don't know anything about probabilities either? Well, this is going to be extra entertaining.
Since the plague is rare and hasn't had an outbreak in years, its unlikely that the E. Coli swapped DNA with it outside a lab.
Really? I would think that you, living where you do, would know better (plague is most common in the U.S. in New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado).
Cases of the plague in humans in the United States is rare (on average ~7 cases per year in recent decades). Worldwide, 1000-2000 cases (in humans) are reported to the WHO each year, but the true number is probably higher.
The plague bacteria may not be spreading among humans like wildfire as they did in the middle ages, but that's not because they're rare. It's because we've learned how to avoid them and how to kill them when they do infect someone. How do we do kill them? Antibiotics. The sooner they're administered, the better the chance of survival.
Source: www.cdc.gov/plague/faq/
That's a legitimate use of antibiotics, because the Plague can be deadly. My problem is doctors handing out antibiotics "just to be safe" when they don't know what's wrong and haven't done any tests...
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
That's an incorrect assumption on your part.
You are right. There is a 1 in a billion chance it could have happened randomly...
Even if it's a "1 in a billion" chance, do you have any idea how short a bacterial generation is? Or how many individual examples of the species there are? That one in a billion will occur multiple times. After that, it's just a case of natural selection (in this case, antibiotics killing less-resistant organisms) leading to the surviving, fitter organisms making up the majority of the population.
If what you say is true, that still doesn't explain how the bacteria was immune to almost all antibiotics. That can only be accomplished in a lab...
I'll try to make this simple without losing too many important points.
Different antibiotics target different types of infections. Bacteria can be put into 3 basic groups and each antibiotic does better against a certain group. There are gram positive bacteria which penicillins are effective against, gram negative bacteria for which we have antibiotics like Cipro, and anaerobic bacteria which Flagyl works well against. Some antibiotics work reasonably well against more than one group.
Simple enough so far. Let's get a little more complicated.
Some antibiotics target different functions. Penicillins interfere with the cell walls of bacteria, many antibiotics interfere with the way microbes copy their genes, and some affect how microbes make folate. Some antibiotics kill microbes outright, and others slow them down and just keep them from reproducing until our immune system catches up or they die of old age.
Lastly, different antibiotics have a tendency to go to different parts of the body. Bactrim likes to head for the urinary system, so it is good to treat UTIs. Penicillins sometimes have trouble getting through to the brain so another antibiotic might be used in meningitis. Other antibiotics might spend more time in the respiratory system, etc.
Now let's look at some history.
Everybody knows that antibiotics weren't invented until 1942. That means that bacteria have only had 70 years to develop resistances. Of course, "everybody" is wrong. 1942 marks the year that the manufacturing process for Penicillin was invented. People were using antibiotics before then.
Let's go back to 1935 when the first sulfa drug was discovered by German chemist Gerhard Domagk. Well, crap, that's still only 77 years ago. We have to dig deeper.
In the 1890s, Rudolf Emmerich and Oscar Low were the first to make an effective medication that they called pyocyanase from microbes. It was the first antibiotic to be used in hospitals. However, the drug often did not work. That's interesting. Around 120 years ago hospitals were treating patients with an antibiotic that wasn't all that effective in killing bacteria. I wonder if it contributed to stronger strains. Still, that's not very long ago.
Going back even further, we find that the ancient Egyptians, Chinese, and Central American Indians all used molds to treat wounds and illness. They didn't know they were using a very basic form of antibiotic, of course. They just knew it could help sick people.
Now let's take a look at some numbers.
Yersinia Pestis, one if the 3 plague bacteria, has a generational cycle of about 1.25 hours. That equates to approximately 7012 generations per year. Going back just to 1942, that's about 490,885 generations. If we go back 120 years, we're looking at 841,517 generations. If we wander back about 5000 years, to the time of the ancient Egyptians, we get 35,060,000 generations of Y. Pestis. That seems, to me, like Y. Pestis has had all kinds of opportunity to improve itself.
Well first off no new genetic data is added to bacteria. At least not any that scientists who sequence bacterial DNA can find. Bacteria swap DNA with each other so its possible to find the right combination to be immune to nearly all antibiotics, but it can only happen in a lab where they are bred for it. Without the lab breeding, they can usually get immune to 2-3 antibiotics. More than that and its a red flag. Further they sequenced the DNA of this bacteria and found markers that indicated it was a genetically modified organim, whether it was swapped DNA or whether the bacteria itself was designed. Now it could have been completely accidental, but that it came out of a lab at some point is a factual statement.
Did you forget that lokiare doesn't support the theory of evolution, jetshield?
I have to see scientific evidence, they can't produce any beyond their Homonculous Fallacy theory
Oh yeah ...
You guys are no fun. With all your strong arguments and need to be right, Loki won't come back to enlighten us.
I want to know how we stop Obama, Sandy, Big Pharma and the Illuminati, damn it!
Yep, didn't mention the Illuminati anywhere. Straw man. Big Pharma is a giant corporation, everyone knows giant corporations are like machines, they don't care about people, they care about money.
He'll be back. He cares about us too much to leave us without making sure we understand the real truth.
Well, I'd like a logical fact filled discussion, but no one has brought any real arguments, only dismissal and ridicule.
Yeah, that is why he wanted to insult people in front of the apple store.
I'm not insulting them. I'm educating them. There is a difference.
Here's what's really in vaccines www.naturalnews.com/037653_vaccine_addit...
OMG chemicals! Chemicals are bad m'kay.
Dude...first of all that site has a definite agenda.
Second, lots of things can be either good or bad or neutral depending on how they are used. Botulism toxin is one of the deadliest toxins on the planet and yet rich people get it injected in their faces all the time. Pesticides are basically diluted nerve agents but they generally don't kill humans. Too much oxygen or too much water (and I'm not even talking about drowning, just overhydrating) can kill you. So saying that there are trace amounts of something that you wouldn't normally want to put in your body is pretty meaningless.
Yeah I'm a bit late here...haven't been in the OTT for a while.
Yeah, and many of these chemicals have been tested in the doses they are found in vaccines and have been classified as dangerous and harmful, but somehow the FDA overlooks that and lets them be put into vaccines which then get injected directly into the blood of developing children. It couldn't be the FDA revolving door could it?
Yeah, you may want to up your reading comprehension. Antibiotics DO promote super bugs. That's a known fact. No where does he say that's the only thing antibiotics are for. That's your own personal opinion. You then attribute an agenda to what he doesn't say.
No...evolution (whoa isn't that another conspiracy?) combined with improper/overuse of antibiotics promote superbugs.
Evolution is simply a popular unproven theory. Which like many things became political in nature and the truth can't really be revealed until the politics are removed...
So what will happen in the next few weeks with the presidential elections, Loki?
It doesn't matter...the Shadow Government controls both candidates anyway.
So what will happen in the next few weeks with the presidential elections, Loki?
It doesn't matter...the Shadow Government controls both candidates anyway.
What's this shadow government stuff you are talking about.
Its big businesses owning both candidates
I want those FEMA reeducation camps because Obama will delcare marshal law!
How else will I get RH to love me if he is not reeducated?
Uh, well you could try being a nice person... that usually helps...
I've been seeing you over in the 5E forums... Who let you out of your cage here in the OTT?