Forget what's under the tree ...

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#1

zombie_babies

Dec 21, 2010 14:43:21
just gimme what's on it!
#2

idhriniel

Dec 21, 2010 15:01:03
Haha yea they're kinda sad they splurged so much on a tree.
#3

zombie_babies

Dec 21, 2010 15:03:07
There's nothing sad about $11 million you can afford to decorate a tree with.
#4

EscherEnigma

Dec 21, 2010 15:12:00
Eh, it's not like all the gold and gems are going away after they take the tree down.  They'll just go from "stock on display on a tree" to "stock in storage/on display in a case".  I mean yeah, it seems a bit excessive that they had that much to spare (or perhaps they just got a years worth of stock at one time?) but it's not like the tree has a "real" $11 million price tag, ya know?  Most of that is gonna go back to the jeweler.
#5

iqwinn

Dec 21, 2010 18:09:18
But the hotel management apparently had second thoughts after questions arose about whether the opulent tree was innocent good cheer or unfortunate bad taste.



YA THINK?!?!?!
#6

pigknight

Dec 21, 2010 18:45:17
Who is read about the gold bar vending machines?
#7

yellowdingo

Dec 21, 2010 19:10:36
I prefer to sieve through the dirt in my yard for tiny grains of gold than pay $2000 for an ounce of gold thaty some poor fool in Africa mined for a dollar's wage.
#8

toastedamphibian

Dec 22, 2010 1:02:26
My question is, why are Muslims putting up a christmas tree up if it is a religous symbol (of Christianity).


Cause they wanted to? They thought their guests would like it?

And of course the other question is why could the tree and menora exist side by side?


...
You thought proximity would cause them to explode? Why couldn't they exist side by side? They are non-reactive (most likely) physical objects. They are not mutually exclusive in a container large enough for both to fit.

#9

EscherEnigma

Dec 22, 2010 1:11:54
I am inclined to imagine that Goldo meant to write "why couldn't the tree and menora exist side by side?"

Since, y'know, the sentence isn't stupid that way. 
#10

iqwinn

Dec 22, 2010 3:24:09
It is funny. Today I was reading about a retirement home with Christians and Jews in it. Christians were the majority.

A Christmas tree was setted up in the entry. Two Jewish women asked if the could put a menora in the entry too. The security guard said yes. Then 15 people, yes they were counted by the security guard, asked why was a religious symbol (the menora) was put in the entry. The retirement home council said judged that all religious symboles had to be taken down. So the Menora and the christmas tree were taken down.

My question is, why are Muslims putting up a christmas tree up if it is a religous symbol (of Christianity).

And of course the other question is why could the tree and menora exist side by side?



Linky, please?

Thanks.
#11

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 8:43:00
My question is, why are Muslims putting up a christmas tree up if it is a religous symbol (of Christianity).



They actually tackled this in the article.  Apparently, the UAE is a very tolerant place as far as religion is concerned and this is something they're proud of.  At least that's the story they gave.

And of course the other question is why couldn't the tree and menora exist side by side?



People are stupid.  Two counts: Count One: Christmas is a secular, commercial holiday today and people, therefore, see symbols of this holiday in a secular, commercial light.  To most, Christmas is not a celebration of Jesus' birth but rather a time for family and friends to get together and enjoy themselves.  In other words, most don't see the tree as a symbol for a religious holiday because, to them, it is not.  Count Two: Some people are intolerant ***holes that think displaying anything alongside things they display to demonstrate what they believe in is wrong.  Their way is the one true and the rest is worthless garbage that there is no place for. 

If anyone is interested, I personally believe that the story Goldo mentioned is more a Count One thing than a Count Two.
#12

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 9:07:37
That's as high as I can go ...
#13

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 9:31:53
Yeah.  And what use is there for numbers over two anyway, you know?
#14

pluisjen

Dec 22, 2010 9:34:39
There's plenty of people here who don't know more about the average holiday then "woo, day off". Myself included. Many of them stopped being about christianity and became commercial and/or family together holidays years ago.
#15

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 9:35:35
Yep.  That's why I think it was just a case of people not seeing something as it originally was cuz that thing has been redefined.

EDIT: Whether that's a good or bad thing doesn't really matter.  The point is that I do not believe there was any nefarious intent because a crapton of people just don't see these trees as a symbol of a religious holiday anymore.
#16

boraxe

Dec 22, 2010 9:40:32
The UAE is the national equivalent of a nouveau riche rapper. It's the Soulja Boy of countries.
#17

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 9:57:26
The UAE is the national equivalent of a nouveau riche rapper. It's the Soulja Boy of countries.



That's harsh, man.  Funny, but harsh. 

Just one could be enough, if everything could be super sized.



Oh, to dream a dream!
#18

EscherEnigma

Dec 22, 2010 10:05:25
Christmas is a secular, commercial holiday today and people, therefore, see symbols of this holiday in a secular, commercial light.  To most, Christmas is not a celebration of Jesus' birth but rather a time for family and friends to get together and enjoy themselves.  In other words, most don't see the tree as a symbol for a religious holiday because, to them, it is not.


Didn't I get flamed to hell and back last year for saying that?

#19

pluisjen

Dec 22, 2010 10:11:23
Give it a few more hours...
#20

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 10:44:28
Didn't I get flamed to hell and back last year for saying that?



Yup.  And I think I was right there with ya.  Anyhoo, it's not an idictment of faith but rather an explanation as to the current state of the holiday.  Though that's how all that started last time and we were still given a lesson on Christmas and how we didn't celebrate it though we said we did.  Man, that was a fun'n. 

Give it a few more hours...



Yar.  Time zones, man.  Time zones. 
#21

Klirshon

Dec 22, 2010 10:58:04

Christmas is a secular, commercial holiday today and people, therefore, see symbols of this holiday in a secular, commercial light.  To most, Christmas is not a celebration of Jesus' birth but rather a time for family and friends to get together and enjoy themselves.  In other words, most don't see the tree as a symbol for a religious holiday because, to them, it is not.



If I am not mistaken for what you are trying to accomplish, the last statement should have been removed.
#22

pluisjen

Dec 22, 2010 10:58:17
I think I remember that conversation, yeah Tongue out It was quite amusing.
#23

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 11:00:20
Amusing in the typical everyone says the same things over and over and refuses to budge even though no one is really asking them to kinda way, sure.
#24

pluisjen

Dec 22, 2010 11:10:08
I know, I find that to be really amusing Smile
#25

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 11:45:51
I had a feelin' ya did.    Honestly, I do as well from time to time.