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#1 jaxtor Jun 03, 2009 10:06:35	Ok I'm familiar with the word twink, twinker, twinking and all the like, but recently I was playing a cleric / Radiant servant of Pelor and it was said my character is cheese. It was then said the CoDzilla in general is cheese. Now I know what CoDzilla but what is cheese? I am in the dark here.
#2 zombie_babies Jun 03, 2009 10:08:44	Your answer to this query and likely many others can be found here.
#3 Novacat Jun 03, 2009 15:54:58	Quick answer: "Cheese" is the term for a character or build that takes advantage of loopholes or vague spots in the rules to gain power, as opposed to gaining power the way the system intended. "Cheese" is not, as far as I've seen, a term widely used in computer games, like "twinking" is.
#4 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 16:20:01	"Cheese" is a term used against others by those who don't understand the finer details of a tabletop game. *snort*
#5 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 16:24:58	cheese is a delicious substance when used on mexican and italian food so that they have more yummy fat in them. It is disastrous when used on chinese food or desserts, because they get their nummy calories from things that taste awful when combined with cheese.
#6 toastedamphibian Jun 03, 2009 16:37:54	Pork fried rice with swiss?
#7 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 17:49:36	nope. Use butter.
#8 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 17:52:30	"Cheese" is a great tasting food item that comes in many forms. Has anybody ever had cheese 'n' rice?
#9 toastedamphibian Jun 03, 2009 18:55:43	Brocoli and rice and cheddar. Yum.
#10 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 19:10:32	cheese is a delicious substance when used on mexican and italian food so that they have more yummy fat in them. It is disastrous when used on chinese food or desserts, because they get their nummy calories from things that taste awful when combined with cheese. Heh. Someone is a foodie. Anyway, cheese is a somewhat condescending term people use when there is something about a system, a specific aspect such as one move or combination or attribute they think ruins the game because everyone uses it, or otherwise ruins a fair fight. As an example, If you were playing Street Fighter and some guy kept using Guile's Sonic Boom over and over and could beat anyone using that very simple maneuver, no matter the other guys skill, that would be considered cheese. Because the person is winning not based on skill, or strategy, or even luck, but on a broken game mechanic. Just because someone calls it cheese doesn't mean it is cheese though. CoDzilla is a common target of the cheese name, but in reality, most every primary caster is easy to unbalance without much trouble, as long as you have a DM who is unwilling or unable to stop obvious breakage. I wouldn't worry about it, people complaining about system breakage usually are talking about "In theory", and the problems aren't happening in game at least not yet. Also, the simple truth is whats powerful in one DM's game is not very powerful in another. One DM might have dozens of riddles that are solved by decipher script checks, whereas another might never use that skill ever. By the way, the Radiant servant of Pelor, not cheese. All it gets is some extra healing abilities, and a little better turning ability, which doesn't matter because turn undead is pretty worthless after zombies and skeletons and maybe ghouls. It also pays for it by having a lower hit die. Considering what a cleric can do without any prestige class, that class doesnt add anything amazing it didn't already have, except for more healing. And if your allies are upset about how well you heal them, offer to stop doing so. They will die first.
#11 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 19:49:36	Heh. Someone is a foodie. hence the high body fat... I can't help it that I only care about D&D and food... can I borrow a cup of willpower? EDIT: dug out the book and I agree with marmot. There's nothing unfair about radiant servant.
#12 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 20:19:10	hence the high body fat... I can't help it that I only care about D&D and food... can I borrow a cup of willpower? Why? Curves rock!
#13 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 20:22:36	The rodent has a point; Curves are full of rockage.
#14 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:24:11	ya, but when guys say curves they usually mean chest and hips - not so much the "gum wrapper" body type
#15 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 20:25:42	No, tummy curves are just as shmexy mate. I'd take some killer lovehandles over larger breasts and rear any day.
#16 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 20:30:49	Hey, a little bump says to me "I enjoy a good meal and know how to cook." Nothing wrong with that to me.
#17 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:32:17	is a 20 pound bump little? That's true, I am too good at cooking for my own good
#18 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:33:19	No, tummy curves are just as shmexy mate. I'd take some killer lovehandles over larger breasts and rear any day. please saturate the media with this idea. meanwhile, have an older brother in cali?
#19 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 20:34:06	Did you pull off your stomach/torso and weigh it?
#20 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:36:29	lol. the majority of my weight gain ends up around the middle. this has been pointed out by doctors that don't care about my feelings on several occasions. I'm guestimating.
#21 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 20:37:11	please saturate the media with this idea. I wish. I blame E-Talk, TMZ, Hooters, all those other lousy places that cater to the stereotypical, hyped-up, pathetic male fantasy that slim with a huge chest and rear is somehow "sexier" then women who are not disgustingly thin little toerag anorexics. If yer born that way, well there ain't much you can do about is, so I understand. Me though? I prefer ah natural all the way. I don't even like women who wear a lot of make-up, I prefer the natural beauty meself. meanwhile, have an older brother in cali? Nope, why? ;)
#22 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:39:18	because you're the first guy who convinced me that drawing of me in my pj's was attractive. I'd like an older, local version though. ;)
#23 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 20:40:01	is a 20 pound bump little? It ain't big.
#24 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 20:40:49	Well I wouldn't be able to determine if that number be reasonably accurate unless I had a picture and your weight. But really, attractiveness doesn't so much come from how you look (though it can help) but rather from the confidence that one shows. You beating yourself up because of how your body looks doesn't show confidence. Stop bashing you body and you'll start to appear more confident and soon more people will start to see you as attractive even if you still have your curves.
#25 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 20:41:22	because you're the first guy who convinced me that drawing of me in my pj's was attractive. I'd like an older, local version though. ;) Dood! I am, like, totally old! For, like, my generation yo!? Aw, man! What a cheesedown... *sniff* On a more serious note, good to hear yer gettin' the confidence going mate. And, I don't think I've ever had any family out in the US for anything more then a visit, might have some relatives up that way, maybe, not sure. 'Course, from where I am, that would be quite a walk/swim to see the US... :P
#26 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:43:34	yay confidence!! next step: staying calm without food... I would totally invite you to visit but I'm a paranoid introvert and it would be insincere. But I can recommend you places to go if you're ever around. :D
#27 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 20:44:12	Places like where?
#28 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 20:45:57	I'd totally roomie it up with dirtyfrank. That man reeks of the shmexy!
#29 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 20:49:51	/shrug I am for the most part the kind of person that prefers to have a room/place to themselves if possible.
#30 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:50:18	Places like where? restaurants, beaches, stores... historical places and stuff
#31 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:51:13	/shrug I am for the most part the kind of person that prefers to have a room/place to themselves if possible. me too. I share poorly.
#32 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 20:51:25	restaurants, beaches, stores... historical places and stuff
#33 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 20:52:02	... dirtyfrank's boxers. And so on and so forth.
#34 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 20:57:13	I'd totally roomie it up with dirtyfrank. That man reeks of the shmexy! Oh absolutely.
#35 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 20:59:09	I wish. I blame E-Talk, TMZ, Hooters, all those other lousy places that cater to the stereotypical, hyped-up, pathetic male fantasy that slim with a huge chest and rear is somehow "sexier" then women who are not disgustingly thin little toerag anorexics. If yer born that way, well there ain't much you can do about is, so I understand. Me though? I prefer ah natural all the way. I don't even like women who wear a lot of make-up, I prefer the natural beauty meself. So just to be clear, and make sure I've got this right: So you'd vouch for my expertise on shmexiness?
#36 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 21:00:13	You guys can stop ogling me now. It's flattering though I think you shouldn't have too much eye candy unless you want it to spoil your dinner. Or something.
#37 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 21:00:39	So just to be clear, and make sure I've got this right: So you'd vouch for my expertise on shmexiness? Sure would mate!
#38 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 21:02:06	You guys can stop ogling me now. It's flattering though I think you shouldn't have too much eye candy unless you want it to spoil your dinner. Or something. Not my fault you're a cutie! And, not my fault I swing both ways already! :P
#39 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 21:06:07	Yes it is your fault that I'm a cutie. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and not in the observed. :P
#40 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 21:06:46	Not my fault you're a cutie! And, not my fault I swing both ways already! :P I don't actually, but hell, even I cant resist dirtyfrank's aura of sexy. But back on topic. Cheese. Good on tacos. Not so good on banana splits.
#41 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 21:07:33	Cheese. Good on burritos.
#42 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 21:09:19	I don't know whether to feel rejected, or jubilant. I'll settle for pouty I guess. Also, cheese and peanutbutter sandwhichs equals a whole world of yum!
#43 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 21:11:32	I don't actually, but hell, even I cant resist dirtyfrank's aura of sexy. But back on topic. Cheese. Good on tacos. Not so good on banana splits. omg tacos and icecream... nomnomnom I should totally get tacos... but I actually shouldn't...
#44 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 21:16:08	You should.....
#45 toastedamphibian Jun 03, 2009 21:17:10	Ew, no. No icecream on tacos. Unless it is a choco taco. It is kind of sad that Tacobell no longer has choco tacos.
#46 toastedamphibian Jun 03, 2009 21:18:45	Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the quest to try putting things on other things than the thing they traditionally go on is the jumping off point for going from chunky to morbidly obesse?
#47 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 21:20:04	I meant tacos, then icecream. But depending on the definition I'm already obese
#48 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 21:20:54	You should..... But I had donuts for breakfast.... again
#49 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 21:22:16	If it bothers you that much then have an apple, banana or some other fruit or something. Fruit is always yummy in the tummy.
#50 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 21:24:16	Ya. The trick is to convince myself that I'm satisfied with the banana, though.
#51 toastedamphibian Jun 03, 2009 21:25:06	Just dont, like, put mayonaise on it. People do that. I don't know why. It's like they want to die or something.
#52 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 21:25:20	Ya. The trick is to convince myself that I'm satisfied with the banana, though. Ya could always have a second.
#53 toastedamphibian Jun 03, 2009 21:26:25	Mmm bananas. (Wait, did you just tell her to try two bananas at once, because its more satisfying?)
#54 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 21:27:51	Well should could either have them at the same time are eat them one after another. It's her choice really.
#55 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 21:33:59	Ya. The trick is to convince myself that I'm satisfied with the banana, though. Okay you just hospitalized me by saying that. As soon as it was seen by me, enough dirty joke responses to fill a volkswagon immediately entered my head at high velocity. I now have a large brain tumor thanks to you.
#56 archyneir Jun 03, 2009 21:35:04	Poor rodent.
#57 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 21:36:49	Okay you just hospitalized me by saying that. As soon as it was seen by me, enough dirty joke responses to fill a volkswagon immediately entered my head at high velocity. I now have a large brain tumor thanks to you. lol. ewwwww ;) So screw it. I'm getting tacos. Fatty, greasy pork tacos. I need meat!!! be back soonly
#58 toastedamphibian Jun 03, 2009 21:37:58	Chicken is meat too you know.
#59 Mad_Jack Jun 03, 2009 21:40:19	Okay you just hospitalized me by saying that. As soon as it was seen by me, enough dirty joke responses to fill a volkswagon immediately entered my head at high velocity. I now have a large brain tumor thanks to you. < puts on viking helmet, cues up his best Elmer Fudd voice and starts singing "Kill the Mar-mot! Kill the Mar-mot!" in a hilarious parody of the old Bugs Bunny cartoon...>
#60 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 21:47:08	*giant dialated Puss in boots a la Shrek style eyes* Kill the Marmot?
#61 toastedamphibian Jun 03, 2009 21:49:10	< puts on viking helmet, cues up his best Elmer Fudd voice and starts singing "Kill the Mar-mot! Kill the Mar-mot!" in a hilarious parody of the old Bugs Bunny cartoon...> Whats up, Vic?
#62 EscherEnigma Jun 03, 2009 22:20:44	I'd totally roomie it up with dirtyfrank. That man reeks of the shmexy! I wouldn't. We'd probably end up arguing about something we actually care about, and he'd end up attacking me with a cat, every gay man's worst fear.
#63 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 22:22:19	gays fear cats? who knew?
#64 EscherEnigma Jun 03, 2009 22:24:28	Eh. It was a weak ***** joke, I admit. Edit: I hate it when perfectly fine words get censored due to slang. Uh, the censored word is the blank in this common phrase by Loney Tune's Tweety Bird: "I thought I saw a _____ cat!"
#65 dirtyfrank Jun 03, 2009 22:28:15	yes, a woman's tutu is a censored word.
#66 sier_labeguileuse_dup Jun 03, 2009 22:31:24	not as bad assome chat filters. i forget where but there was one that censored 'curse words' that were part of other words, so you saw sentences like this: I applied to be an ***istant the other day.
#67 stealthmarmot Jun 03, 2009 22:38:14	not as bad assome chat filters. i forget where but there was one that censored 'curse words' that were part of other words, so you saw sentences like this: I applied to be an ***istant the other day. That makes it sound MUCH dirtier than it is. I wonder what sort of work duties THAT job would require you to do!
#68 Novacat Jun 03, 2009 22:45:02	That makes it sound MUCH dirtier than it is. I wonder what sort of work duties THAT job would require you to do! I hear these guys are looking for a new ***istant.