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Gary McKnnon

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#1
werral
Sep 08, 2008 2:58:46 What do you guys think about the extradition of Gary Mckinnon the computer geek who hacked NASA and Pentagon computers searching for evidence of UFO's?

He now faces extradition from the UK to the US and up to 70 years in jail.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/mckinnon_bevan_interview_analysis/http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2005/jul/09/weekend7.weekend2
http://news.scotsman.com/glasgow/UFO-hacker-is-broken-man.4451456.jp
#2
ADHadh
Sep 08, 2008 13:05:33 Maybe they're just telling everyone he's going to jail, but in fact he's going to work on their system now, so it won't be as penetrable in future ;)
#3
nowiwantmydmg
Sep 08, 2008 13:14:47 Hacking into US gov't computers is just plain dumb. He totally deserves what he gets.
#4
Miratos
Sep 08, 2008 13:15:03 Yeah hiring him might be the smart thing to do.

In any regards, I think a hacking sentence that is longer then the sentence most murders and rapists get is just silly.
#5
maulorn
Sep 08, 2008 13:32:22 "You gonna eat yur Ramon Noodles?"
#6
werral
Sep 08, 2008 15:01:27 Leaving Government military computers so wide open that any stoner with an IT degree can hack into them is the real crime. They caught McKinnon because he left messages on PCs desktops - by messing about.

Do you think Chinese, Russian or Al Qaeda hackers are going to mess about like that? I think the people in charge of Pentagon computer security should be facing jail for negligence.

And I also find it odd that a child murderer gets so much less than a hacker who caused no damage whatsoever.
#7
1_ton_ghost
Sep 09, 2008 14:13:25 I understand your position completely. It's messed up, but the UK & US have been playing ball w/ each other for so long...if someone hacked an SAS database and they wanted to extradition of him from NYC, we'd immediately go, "Sure, you didn't even have to ask."

He should've gone to Brazil or some non-extradition country. His mistake, but the larger one was hacking the Pentagon. Wtf? That's federal and they'll punch his ticket for eternity now.

Sadly, after 9/11, alot of consultation took place in the Pentagon and they laughed at the horrible inefficiency of our networks. We were quoted something like 10 years (post attack) until they would be where they should.

And this guy comes along...
Hell, put him to work. It's that or jail, what would you do? We might learn something, improve our security, and life under a federal thumb is gonna' be cheaper than 3 hots and cot for the rest of his life, right?

This is kinda' how they do things now. An informal job interview. Alot of good hackers land amazing jobs w/ big corps when they breach them and tell them how they did it. Hell of a resume. Same thing w/ more traditional crooks (alot of them operate security companies & do consulting).

Normal sentencing for this is like "disappear forever". It's not cuz' of the crime so much as to make an example. You often think twice before you hit .exe, but when you're raping someone, possible sentencing doesn't always come to mind. Sentencing for drugs is way too high, but not nearly high enough for violent & sex-based crimes.
#8
werral
Sep 09, 2008 15:19:06 You know he apparently broke in because the password on some of the Pentagon computers (you know the ones with all the secret data so essential to national security) were left as, "password". He just broke in to those easy ones and once in started playing around.

The extradition agreements between the UK and US are totally unequal. To extradite a UK citizen, all that's needed is a statement of guilt (an allegation). To extradite a US citizen to the UK evidence and proof is needed first.

Furthermore the guy apparently has a form of autism, which makes sense given his strange combination of intelligence and total stupidity.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 werral Sep 08, 2008 2:58:46	What do you guys think about the extradition of Gary Mckinnon the computer geek who hacked NASA and Pentagon computers searching for evidence of UFO's? He now faces extradition from the UK to the US and up to 70 years in jail. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/mckinnon_bevan_interview_analysis/http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2005/jul/09/weekend7.weekend2 http://news.scotsman.com/glasgow/UFO-hacker-is-broken-man.4451456.jp
#2 ADHadh Sep 08, 2008 13:05:33	Maybe they're just telling everyone he's going to jail, but in fact he's going to work on their system now, so it won't be as penetrable in future ;)
#3 nowiwantmydmg Sep 08, 2008 13:14:47	Hacking into US gov't computers is just plain dumb. He totally deserves what he gets.
#4 Miratos Sep 08, 2008 13:15:03	Yeah hiring him might be the smart thing to do. In any regards, I think a hacking sentence that is longer then the sentence most murders and rapists get is just silly.
#5 maulorn Sep 08, 2008 13:32:22	"You gonna eat yur Ramon Noodles?"
#6 werral Sep 08, 2008 15:01:27	Leaving Government military computers so wide open that any stoner with an IT degree can hack into them is the real crime. They caught McKinnon because he left messages on PCs desktops - by messing about. Do you think Chinese, Russian or Al Qaeda hackers are going to mess about like that? I think the people in charge of Pentagon computer security should be facing jail for negligence. And I also find it odd that a child murderer gets so much less than a hacker who caused no damage whatsoever.
#7 1_ton_ghost Sep 09, 2008 14:13:25	I understand your position completely. It's messed up, but the UK & US have been playing ball w/ each other for so long...if someone hacked an SAS database and they wanted to extradition of him from NYC, we'd immediately go, "Sure, you didn't even have to ask." He should've gone to Brazil or some non-extradition country. His mistake, but the larger one was hacking the Pentagon. Wtf? That's federal and they'll punch his ticket for eternity now. Sadly, after 9/11, alot of consultation took place in the Pentagon and they laughed at the horrible inefficiency of our networks. We were quoted something like 10 years (post attack) until they would be where they should. And this guy comes along... Hell, put him to work. It's that or jail, what would you do? We might learn something, improve our security, and life under a federal thumb is gonna' be cheaper than 3 hots and cot for the rest of his life, right? This is kinda' how they do things now. An informal job interview. Alot of good hackers land amazing jobs w/ big corps when they breach them and tell them how they did it. Hell of a resume. Same thing w/ more traditional crooks (alot of them operate security companies & do consulting). Normal sentencing for this is like "disappear forever". It's not cuz' of the crime so much as to make an example. You often think twice before you hit .exe, but when you're raping someone, possible sentencing doesn't always come to mind. Sentencing for drugs is way too high, but not nearly high enough for violent & sex-based crimes.
#8 werral Sep 09, 2008 15:19:06	You know he apparently broke in because the password on some of the Pentagon computers (you know the ones with all the secret data so essential to national security) were left as, "password". He just broke in to those easy ones and once in started playing around. The extradition agreements between the UK and US are totally unequal. To extradite a UK citizen, all that's needed is a statement of guilt (an allegation). To extradite a US citizen to the UK evidence and proof is needed first. Furthermore the guy apparently has a form of autism, which makes sense given his strange combination of intelligence and total stupidity.