Gm's Car OF. THE. FUTURE!

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#1

calronmoonflower

Jul 16, 2011 19:28:27
GM Looking to Reinvent the Automobile With This Two-Wheeled Car of the Future

*snicker*

But seriously, I believe in several states that "car" is legally defined a motorcycle because of the number of wheels.
#2

bone_naga

Jul 16, 2011 19:58:59
It looked somewhat interesting until they mentioned the 25mph speed limit. And the $10,000 price tag.
#3

calronmoonflower

Jul 16, 2011 20:12:01
25mph speed limit.

I overlooked that. It would mean that it is not legal to drive on the highway.
#4

bone_naga

Jul 16, 2011 20:17:59
25mph speed limit.

I overlooked that. It would mean that it is not legal to drive on the highway.


That and being way too slow for me.
#5

jetshield

Jul 16, 2011 20:22:56
You regularly speed through town?
#6

bone_naga

Jul 16, 2011 20:35:58
You regularly speed through town?


I may have a ticket or two or whatever on record. That aside, I can't think of anywhere I've been where the highest speed limit in town was 25mph.
#7

jetshield

Jul 16, 2011 20:48:50
Around here, all residential areas have a 25MPH limit. I know the speed limit in NYC is 30MPH. I don't see it as a big thing to go 5MPH slower. And remember, they're predicting that by the time these cars hit the roads, there will be a lot more people in cities that are even more crowded than they are now. It's not hard to imagine the speed limit would be lowered in a more crowded environment.


edit: As a parent, I'd like remind you that the difference between 30MPH and 40MPH is literally the difference between life and death.
#8

bone_naga

Jul 16, 2011 20:52:50
I'm pretty sure I remember some areas being more than 30mph. And going less at all in NYC or NJ is just going to piss off everyone behind you. Road rage happens. That said, even 10-20 years from now I don't think every major city is going to be restricted to 25mph or less. Traffic and population density in NYC is not at all typical of most US cities. And yes, I speed, I'm impatient, and that's way too slow for me.
#9

jetshield

Jul 16, 2011 21:01:05
NYC DOT on speed limit.

Weather cities will be restricted to 25MPH or not is not something we can know now. If GM is assuming that they will be, it could explain the 25MPH top speed.
#10

bone_naga

Jul 16, 2011 21:48:47
NYC DOT on speed limit.

Weather cities will be restricted to 25MPH or not is not something we can know now. If GM is assuming that they will be, it could explain the 25MPH top speed.


Most cities have a blanket speed limit that applies unless otherwise posted, but that doesn't mean it's the only or the highest speed limit in the city. And again, NYC is not the typical city. And you are right, we can't know what the cities will look like, but we can make reasonable educated guesses. Obviously they are banking on it being useful to some people, and I'm sure it will be for people that have a relatively short commute within a city, but I think I little better engineering could have expanded their customer base.
#11

jetshield

Jul 16, 2011 21:59:14
I would agree, if you had said a little different engineering. As far as we know the top speed was very intentionally chosen.

There's also the part about these vehicles being self-driving. It makes sense to to limit it's speed when it's going to be on auto-pilot, particularly when they envision it as doing things like driving your kids to school. This isn't something you get in and race around in. It's supposed to be something you get in, set a destination, and read a book until you get there.
#12

Timmeh

Jul 16, 2011 22:03:41
*yawn*
Most of these kind of cars are just prototype stuff that the geeks are building for fun. They're more for show rather than practicality.
#13

ViolenceJack

Jul 16, 2011 22:33:48
As somebody who usually drive in the city, given that (like most of the world's population) I live in one, I love driving under-powered pieces of crap. And I'm not being sarcastic at all. Seriously. Don't look at me like that.

I drive a Mazda A-Z Wagon right now, only available in Japan because it's sensible and thus Canada will have nothing to do with it. It is of a class of car called "keijidousha," or "light motor vehicle." They are limited in size and power. Mine is manual transmission, and people look at me like I'm crazy here in Okinawa because it's so hilly. You should see the milage I get out of it, though. It's crazy. I have to turn off the AC going up steeper hills, but aside from that it's great. And I can park where full-sized cars can't, which is a serious consideration here.

That little two-wheeled electric wouldn't suit my Canadian lifestyle back home, but it would suit me very well here in a more urban environment where things are sensibly close together. Not biting my nails waiting for it to be available, but it looks interesting enough that I'll keep my eye on further developments like it. 
#14

bone_naga

Jul 16, 2011 22:56:22
I would agree, if you had said a little different engineering.


Fair enough.

There's also the part about these vehicles being self-driving. It makes sense to to limit it's speed when it's going to be on auto-pilot, particularly when they envision it as doing things like driving your kids to school. This isn't something you get in and race around in. It's supposed to be something you get in, set a destination, and read a book until you get there.


Ok, I'll give you that. Until I see it prove itself numerous times under situations such as kids running out in front of it or being surrounded by idiot drivers, I'd be very wary of any auto-pilot function (even though it does sound cool) and I probably wouldn't want it to go very fast when it's driving itself.
#15

capitan_estaban

Jul 17, 2011 0:19:27
I think I will wait. I prefer my hydrofoils to be able to kick plasma balls through goal posts. 




 
#16

iqwinn

Jul 17, 2011 5:03:07
No one seems to have caught the names of the models:  Jiao (Gee, ow!), Xiao (She, ow!) and Miao (MEOW!).  That last one will be the butt of many a joke, methinks.  Instead of being a "kiddy-car", it will be a "kitteh-car"!  I can see one of the first imports to Japan, personalized a la Hello Kitty!

Seriously, these people didn't think these things through, did they?
#17

Qube

Jul 17, 2011 9:53:30
NYC DOT on speed limit.

Weather cities will be restricted to 25MPH or not is not something we can know now. If GM is assuming that they will be, it could explain the 25MPH top speed.


Most cities have a blanket speed limit that applies unless otherwise posted, but that doesn't mean it's the only or the highest speed limit in the city. And again, NYC is not the typical city.

every village and city in belgium has a 50 kpm (31 mph) limit, and 30 kpm (19 mph) for residential area

my only issue is trunk size
#18

Robin_Hoodlum

Jul 17, 2011 10:01:54
That "car" looks ridiculous.
It is too slow.
I prefer my 6-cylinder pick-up truck...
#19

Cpt_Micha

Jul 17, 2011 13:49:20
Yeah, not going to happen.

GM till recently hasn't shown a profit since 04. For a reason.

They keep killing all the cars that are actually cool.
#20

pigknight

Jul 17, 2011 22:02:12
KillerGM is getting a new car from the future?! :O
#21

zombie_babies

Jul 18, 2011 13:13:40
As somebody who usually drive in the city, given that (like most of the world's population) I live in one, I love driving under-powered pieces of crap. And I'm not being sarcastic at all. Seriously. Don't look at me like that.

I drive a Mazda A-Z Wagon right now, only available in Japan because it's sensible and thus Canada will have nothing to do with it. It is of a class of car called "keijidousha," or "light motor vehicle." They are limited in size and power. Mine is manual transmission, and people look at me like I'm crazy here in Okinawa because it's so hilly. You should see the milage I get out of it, though. It's crazy. I have to turn off the AC going up steeper hills, but aside from that it's great. And I can park where full-sized cars can't, which is a serious consideration here.

That little two-wheeled electric wouldn't suit my Canadian lifestyle back home, but it would suit me very well here in a more urban environment where things are sensibly close together. Not biting my nails waiting for it to be available, but it looks interesting enough that I'll keep my eye on further developments like it. 



The amusing thing is that if your underpowered car had more power, you'd likely get better mileage out of it.  If you have to strain the crap out of the thing to make it go, it's not working efficiently.  So, good mileage or not, it'd be better with a little more power.  I'm not sayin' make it a V8 or anything, of course, but adding enough power so that it can go uphill with its accessories on and accelerate just fast enough to get out of its own way would be a true boon. 
#22

ViolenceJack

Jul 18, 2011 17:38:57
As somebody who usually drive in the city, given that (like most of the world's population) I live in one, I love driving under-powered pieces of crap. And I'm not being sarcastic at all. Seriously. Don't look at me like that.

I drive a Mazda A-Z Wagon right now, only available in Japan because it's sensible and thus Canada will have nothing to do with it. It is of a class of car called "keijidousha," or "light motor vehicle." They are limited in size and power. Mine is manual transmission, and people look at me like I'm crazy here in Okinawa because it's so hilly. You should see the milage I get out of it, though. It's crazy. I have to turn off the AC going up steeper hills, but aside from that it's great. And I can park where full-sized cars can't, which is a serious consideration here.

That little two-wheeled electric wouldn't suit my Canadian lifestyle back home, but it would suit me very well here in a more urban environment where things are sensibly close together. Not biting my nails waiting for it to be available, but it looks interesting enough that I'll keep my eye on further developments like it. 



The amusing thing is that if your underpowered car had more power, you'd likely get better mileage out of it.  If you have to strain the crap out of the thing to make it go, it's not working efficiently.  So, good mileage or not, it'd be better with a little more power.  I'm not sayin' make it a V8 or anything, of course, but adding enough power so that it can go uphill with its accessories on and accelerate just fast enough to get out of its own way would be a true boon. 


Doubtful. With no AC, it's actually quite powerful enough. It is smaller and lighter by far than a standard car. The problem is that the AC still needs just as much power, and it's a far larger percentage on this beastie. I don't even use the AC, quite honestly, unless I'm parked in the sun and waiting for somebody.

Additionally, there's actually only one situation where I must turn off the AC... close to my house, there is a hill which I always must be going very slowly to turn and go up. If I were able to be going faster at the start, even that hill would be fine. I have a feather touch on the gas 99% of the time, AC or no, hill or no. 
#23

zombie_babies

Jul 19, 2011 8:47:44
Please tell me you're not one of those people that can't maintain speed while going up a hill! 

But really, a little more power would go a long way.  Again, no need for an extra hundred HP or anything like that, but making the engine work too hard is bad for economy and the engine both.  And, IMO, if you have to shut something off to allow the vehicle to perform a basic task, it isn't working as it should.  Being able to cope with that or to work around it doesn't change it.  But as long as you're happy, who cares, right? 
#24

Cpt_Micha

Jul 19, 2011 13:28:54
I bet he is.

Even the doom truck could manage that (if only barely... and while blowing smoke and oil all over everyone behind me)

If your car can't make a hill properly with AC on it's time to upgrade. That's the sign of an engine that is too worn out to do it's job properly.