What's 'Dungeons and Dragons'?
I think it's some Satanic game that Wizards made based off of Magic: the Gathering.
Will we see this in our lifetime?
After the Singularity, maybe. But it's still on my to-do list, so don't give up hope.
I think it's some Satanic game that Wizards made based off of Magic: the Gathering.
That makes sense. Does it give you powers? If it does, I'm so in. Soul schmole.
I think it's some Satanic game that Wizards made based off of Magic: the Gathering.
That makes sense. Does it give you powers? If it does, I'm so in. Soul schmole.
It does. Unfortunately, the Dark Dungeons primer pamphlet all but comes out and says that the only power it gives you is the ability to sucker people into getting you more gaming supplies. But apparently the game has a lot of female players, so it might be a good way to meet chicks.
It does. Unfortunately, the Dark Dungeons primer pamphlet all but comes out and says that the only power it gives you is the ability to sucker people into getting you more gaming supplies. But apparently the game has a lot of female players, so it might be a good way to meet chicks.
Hmm. Extra supplies are always good. And so are chicks. Yeah, I'm down. Sign me up to this Dragon Dungeon cult, please. Hmm. That sounds sorta S&M. Do ya get to do S&M stuff with the chicks? If so, I've got some ideas for them gaming supplies they'll be bringin' me ...
What's 'Dungeons and Dragons'?
And here I thought it was "Dungeons: The Dragoning"
Demonic milfs with no arms are hot...
I think a sandbox mmo is possible, and I suspect that's what Blizzards big mmo project is. You don't have to look far to see Wow's days are now numbered. GW2, KOTOR both are taking mmos in new and very fresh directions, and Blizzard isn't one to rest on their laurells.
To be fair Atari is a terrible publisher, and cryptic is an even worse development firm. (the pair working on neverwinter so yeah it's gonna suck. Sorry Guys.)
I think a sandbox mmo is possible, and I suspect that's what Blizzards big mmo project is. You don't have to look far to see Wow's days are now numbered. GW2, KOTOR both are taking mmos in new and very fresh directions, and Blizzard isn't one to rest on their laurells.
Yeah, I designed (on paper) an MMO that would be completely open. The players would decide the rules for their guilds and the game would enforce them. Anyone could kill anyone, but you as a player could put a bounty on someones head and the game would track it and you could team up for super bounties that would really suck. It had kingdoms and ruling classes and how you went about that... it was a cool idea, but alas the world is not ready for something so ahead of its time...
Yeah, I designed (on paper) an MMO that would be completely open. The players would decide the rules for their guilds and the game would enforce them. Anyone could kill anyone, but you as a player could put a bounty on someones head and the game would track it and you could team up for super bounties that would really suck. It had kingdoms and ruling classes and how you went about that... it was a cool idea, but alas the world is not ready for something so ahead of its time...
Can't you do that in Eve Online? O_o
The thing is that "open ended and you can do anything" makes for a really bad game. Most people pretty much need a set of goals to strive for in a game or they get bored and leave. The trick with open ended systems is to somehow guide people into setting their own short and long term goals (which are obtainable and possible within the game world) without them realising that you're guiding them.
If you can do that, you're golden
UO did a decent job of that. Skill system, crafting system, housing system, new housing system that allowed you to custom build your own (within limits), the occasional quest set up for rare items, guilds, order vs chaos, etc. Really quite a good game. I'm bummed the free one I played on died.
So... You have a job and pay money to play an MMO so that you can get a job inside the MMO?
Yeah, that's whyI didn't get far into FF XI. I wasn't about to work a full-time job just so I could pay money to be a character in a fantasy universe with a full-time job.
So... You have a job and pay money to play an MMO so that you can get a job inside the MMO?
Yeah, that's whyI didn't get far into FF XI. I wasn't about to work a full-time job just so I could pay money to be a character in a fantasy universe with a full-time job.
You didn't have to craft, man. It could be all about slayin' dragons or PvP or literally doing nothing but RPing. Whatever ya wanted to do. Sure most people worked skills and tried to make gold (craftin' or killin') but you didn't have to. Like, not at all. I had several characters that weren't 'done'. Skills nowhere near maxed and they were not PvP or PvM beyond newb level capable. All I did with 'em was dick around and BS with people. I also had a couple characters that I worked hard at finishing. Got them maxed in all skills, pimped their gear through adventuring (either finding or buying), built multiple houses, etc. But I didn't have to do any of it. And I never once in all the years I played GM'd a craft skill. Never. My pals had crafters with multiple GM craft skills and I had none. Ya just did what was fun for ya - no matter what that was including nothing at all. Good stuff.
And 'begging' was a skill, too. One you could actually work if ya wanted to. Heh.
The stuff I mentioned was just the way the game was set up to give ya goals if goals ya was after. Not everyone was.To be fair Atari is a terrible publisher, and cryptic is an even worse development firm. (the pair working on neverwinter so yeah it's gonna suck. Sorry Guys.)
I think a sandbox mmo is possible, and I suspect that's what Blizzards big mmo project is. You don't have to look far to see Wow's days are now numbered. GW2, KOTOR both are taking mmos in new and very fresh directions, and Blizzard isn't one to rest on their laurells.
i love KOTOR
I tried D&D online, only I played a dungeon, and I din´t like it.
Yeah, but then the chicks grow up into mother hens and then they're only good for breakfest or dinner or, if you're lucky, both.
As long as it comes with samiches I'm down with it.
Warning: This turns into a bit of a long winded rant or something. read at your own risk.
As for sandbox games..... they get boring quick. As for MMOs. Interacting with too many people, especially with reduced rules/restrictions, is just a pain and not worth it. Mixing boorishness with Dbags isn't appealing.
If you want to play D&D with a sandbox then you and your friends download minecraft. The DM can start a server for your group. Get a couple of mod packs. You can now make your own open ended world with people you enjoy being around that wont grief people and other Dbag stuff that is rampant in MMOs.
My biggest experience with an MMO was a very time consuming game (seemed like a full time job
) and about half of the players seemed like their were mid twenties or younger and in school. The other half were unemployed adults. Very few people seemed to have jobs and the ones that did almost always dropped the game before endgame came about. Not sure what I'm getting at here but I guess my observation is that the game took so much time that only the unemployed had enough time for it. If WotC does try some big online game kind of thing I'd be more up for them trying some kind of RTS which would play something like the "Age of.." games or like "Starcraft 2" or whatnot.
To my D&D has the feel of either a small adventuring group or controlling a mass army/kingdom. Just think about it. We're often just a small band of adventurers, but often we're stopping the plans of some evil. Plans that if they got to fruition then mass armies will be tossed about. i.e. first premade adventure for 4e. If the gate to the shadowfell got opened by Loreal* then it would spell doom for the whole region for death waits on the other side of the portal.
To me D&D doesn't seem like a first person game. Now some of you guys might point out how in a sandbox MMO you can join guilds and make friends and blah blah blah. I understand but really I don't see the appeal to that. I've tried a few and thought they were the worst games ever. Not sure what the appeal is. Either you have no freedom and the game restriction isn't fun or you have a lot of freedom and you get killed by other players nonstop and other BS. And I really hate games that force you to work with other players. If a game is going to force me to play 1 character then I'd like to play 1 character all the way through and not have to interact with a single person. At the point you have to interact with another person a game usually turns to total crud. Every single time!
Oh yeah. What D&D is and junk. either a small group or big army. small group type thing could work in an mmo kind of thing but that could be taken care of with something like minecraft and some creative thought and free time. The other thing is that WotC could make their own game that could maybe be similar. have premade servers/stories that a group of friends could join to play through together and whatnot.
As for the army junk I say it would work well as an RTS. And really the other stuff works well here in a way as well. See our D&D characters in many campaigns are really nothing but pawns of those pulling the strings. We might not be a part of some main army (although sometimes we are) but we are used for strategic strikes against our foes. So the idea of an adventuring party dealing big blows can be kept with an RTS. Especially since sometimes there are things called TPKs. ;)
But now that I think about it the idea sounds a bit like warcraft. but that is segregated by race. WotC could maybe separate it by magic type. Maybe by race on top of that. But magic type might be the big thing me thinks. necro raising dead. enchanters controlling enemy foes. summoner/conjurer calling creatures to the field during a battle. evoker making a fight a true hell. abjurer tossing up defenses galore. diviner having immaculate map vision and detection. stuff like that. It could be an entertaining kind of game to play. much better than 99% of sandbox MMOs.
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*It's been about a year since I've looked at that campaign or talked about it so I might be off with the name.
So... You have a job and pay money to play an MMO so that you can get a job inside the MMO?
Yeah, that's whyI didn't get far into FF XI. I wasn't about to work a full-time job just so I could pay money to be a character in a fantasy universe with a full-time job.
You didn't have to craft, man. It could be all about slayin' dragons or PvP or literally doing nothing but RPing. Whatever ya wanted to do. Sure most people worked skills and tried to make gold (craftin' or killin') but you didn't have to. Like, not at all. I had several characters that weren't 'done'. Skills nowhere near maxed and they were not PvP or PvM beyond newb level capable. All I did with 'em was dick around and BS with people. I also had a couple characters that I worked hard at finishing. Got them maxed in all skills, pimped their gear through adventuring (either finding or buying), built multiple houses, etc. But I didn't have to do any of it. And I never once in all the years I played GM'd a craft skill. Never. My pals had crafters with multiple GM craft skills and I had none. Ya just did what was fun for ya - no matter what that was including nothing at all. Good stuff.
And 'begging' was a skill, too. One you could actually work if ya wanted to. Heh.
In FFXI I played til I hit level 70 Red Mage. At the low levels you could do that, but everything is capped by level so you do actually have to level up. If you wanted any of the decent items in the game you really had to do the quest circuit and/or farm items for money and craft. Of course you could do the RMT and buy a lot of stuff, but there were some essential items that you couldn't buy. Really I quit the game because it became a grind and I could pass the level 70 cap limit quest which requires you to beat a level 70 character of the same class with extra powers. I maxed everything out got potions and drops and the best items for the fight and did it like 30 times and failed. After that I was like whatever... and just logged off...
In FFXI I played til I hit level 70 Red Mage. At the low levels you could do that, but everything is capped by level so you do actually have to level up. If you wanted any of the decent items in the game you really had to do the quest circuit and/or farm items for money and craft. Of course you could do the RMT and buy a lot of stuff, but there were some essential items that you couldn't buy. Really I quit the game because it became a grind and I could pass the level 70 cap limit quest which requires you to beat a level 70 character of the same class with extra powers. I maxed everything out got potions and drops and the best items for the fight and did it like 30 times and failed. After that I was like whatever... and just logged off...
There are no levels in UO. Level based MMOs are fail because they make you grind. In UO, you could literally play the game and do nothing but talk to people or wander around aimlessly. It was all about what fulfilled you. There were no quests to go on (most of the time) or anything like that. So if all ya wanted to do was talk and RP, you could. I did it often enough (grinding drives me insane).
In FFXI I played til I hit level 70 Red Mage. At the low levels you could do that, but everything is capped by level so you do actually have to level up. If you wanted any of the decent items in the game you really had to do the quest circuit and/or farm items for money and craft. Of course you could do the RMT and buy a lot of stuff, but there were some essential items that you couldn't buy. Really I quit the game because it became a grind and I could pass the level 70 cap limit quest which requires you to beat a level 70 character of the same class with extra powers. I maxed everything out got potions and drops and the best items for the fight and did it like 30 times and failed. After that I was like whatever... and just logged off...
There are no levels in UO. Level based MMOs are fail because they make you grind. In UO, you could literally play the game and do nothing but talk to people or wander around aimlessly. It was all about what fulfilled you. There were no quests to go on (most of the time) or anything like that. So if all ya wanted to do was talk and RP, you could. I did it often enough (grinding drives me insane).
Is it still up? I might have to try it sometime...
Yeah, grinding is not very fun unless you have a good conversation going on with other players at the same time...
Is it still up? I might have to try it sometime...
Yeah, grinding is not very fun unless you have a good conversation going on with other players at the same time...
I think it is. I have no idea for sure, though. The thing is it's an old game with old graphics so a lot of people just don't get into it. And if it's still up through Origins you'd have to pay to play. I'd say search for free shards (which are legal) and try there but the community base is smaller and the shards are typically modified in ways that can ... suck. Currently a friend of mine is playing on one that's quite different from the traditional version but seems to be ok. I'll have to ask him for its name when I see him again. The shard I played on died some time ago. It was run on donated server space that was taken when the small company that owned it got bought out. Tragic. We had a tight community.
In FFXI I played til I hit level 70 Red Mage. At the low levels you could do that, but everything is capped by level so you do actually have to level up. If you wanted any of the decent items in the game you really had to do the quest circuit and/or farm items for money and craft. Of course you could do the RMT and buy a lot of stuff, but there were some essential items that you couldn't buy. Really I quit the game because it became a grind and I could pass the level 70 cap limit quest which requires you to beat a level 70 character of the same class with extra powers. I maxed everything out got potions and drops and the best items for the fight and did it like 30 times and failed. After that I was like whatever... and just logged off...
There are no levels in UO. Level based MMOs are fail because they make you grind.
Hell yeah they do. After like level 5 or so (which you could probably obtain during your first playing session of the game for just a couple of hours) you have to spend ungodly amounts of time to get that next level or item.
UO sounds kind of interesting. Also your talk of just sitting around and doing nothing in the game remnds me of a anime series about online gaming called .Hack. One of the characters in one of the .Hack series did nothing but sit around and talk.
In FFXI I played til I hit level 70 Red Mage. At the low levels you could do that, but everything is capped by level so you do actually have to level up. If you wanted any of the decent items in the game you really had to do the quest circuit and/or farm items for money and craft. Of course you could do the RMT and buy a lot of stuff, but there were some essential items that you couldn't buy. Really I quit the game because it became a grind and I could pass the level 70 cap limit quest which requires you to beat a level 70 character of the same class with extra powers. I maxed everything out got potions and drops and the best items for the fight and did it like 30 times and failed. After that I was like whatever... and just logged off...
There are no levels in UO. Level based MMOs are fail because they make you grind.
Hell yeah they do. After like level 5 or so (which you could probably obtain during your first playing session of the game for just a couple of hours) you have to spend ungodly amounts of time to get that next level or item.
UO sounds kind of interesting. Also your talk of just sitting around and doing nothing in the game remnds me of a anime series about online gaming called .Hack. One of the characters in one of the .Hack series did nothing but sit around and talk.
I played the first of the .Hack games... it simulated a crappy MMO, just offline and without the people and it sucked...
In FFXI I played til I hit level 70 Red Mage. At the low levels you could do that, but everything is capped by level so you do actually have to level up. If you wanted any of the decent items in the game you really had to do the quest circuit and/or farm items for money and craft. Of course you could do the RMT and buy a lot of stuff, but there were some essential items that you couldn't buy. Really I quit the game because it became a grind and I could pass the level 70 cap limit quest which requires you to beat a level 70 character of the same class with extra powers. I maxed everything out got potions and drops and the best items for the fight and did it like 30 times and failed. After that I was like whatever... and just logged off...
There are no levels in UO. Level based MMOs are fail because they make you grind.
Hell yeah they do. After like level 5 or so (which you could probably obtain during your first playing session of the game for just a couple of hours) you have to spend ungodly amounts of time to get that next level or item.
UO sounds kind of interesting. Also your talk of just sitting around and doing nothing in the game remnds me of a anime series about online gaming called .Hack. One of the characters in one of the .Hack series did nothing but sit around and talk.
I played the first of the .Hack games... it simulated a crappy MMO, just offline and without the people and it sucked...
I was talking about the anime not the game. As for the game I thought it was better than basically all MMOs just fo the simple fact that it didn't have a world of Dbags. That and it also had a story rather than endless sandbox. But that view is just a bit of my personal bias against bad games.
About MMO games do rebember there isn´t option of pause. Imagine you are playing, and telephone rings, or the bell of door.... or family ask you help to clean the house.
Yeah, that's always fun... I usually just cast stoneskin and log out, by the time my hp are actually affected by attacks I'm usually logged...
RIIIIING, RIIIIIIIIING, RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!!!!
The daugnther of neighbors is ringing the doorbell because she needs your internet conection and wikipedia for her homework. When you are again in the game your friends are out. Now killing the boss if to difficult. You have spent the expensive magic item for nothing and if you want a new try you must do all the long *censured* dungeon again...
My suggestion is off-line option, and a multiplayer option (you are playing with friends, but isn´t real MMO, and bigger web server isn´t necesary). A quest/mission editor too would be advisable.
And a hybrid store. I meant if you buy a new hero class, PC race or monter of the videogame, too you the official equivalent stats for the "classic" (pen and pencil) rpg.
Do you thing the electronic tablets will be the rpg of the future?
You will also find that MMOs are really boring. Their only saving grace usually is the interaction with other players.
As for a multiplayer option where it isn't a real MMO and you just play with friends, Guildwars does that. Once you leave the city walls, it's just you and friends, no random people around. It even supports "single play" in that you can fill out your party with bots that travel with you.
Other option is the super-rare item found by "lone wolf" in off-line can´t be use in MMO. It isn´t really lost, but in "ghost inventary" and it can used only off-line+ multiplayer game.
Not sure if it'd be worth the hassle, but that's the only way to keep it fair. You lose control once you allow a character to be uploaded to the server since you have no way to validate whether or not it was fairly created.
You will also find that MMOs are really boring. Their only saving grace usually is the interaction with other players.
As for a multiplayer option where it isn't a real MMO and you just play with friends, Guildwars does that. Once you leave the city walls, it's just you and friends, no random people around. It even supports "single play" in that you can fill out your party with bots that travel with you.
Human interaction or for a better term the community is the only saving grace of basically all MMOs. However, in my experience it's also the most annoying things. You like spending time and talking with a few individuals, but at the same time you have to deal with every Dbag on the MMO in some way or another. All in all I think there is more negatives to the social aspect of MMOs than there is positives. But that's just from my experiences. Not sure about other people.
There are a few MMOs that do that sort of thing. Which is cool if you have friends because such MMOs can tend to make it almost possible to progress past level/dungeon/area x without a party. Which a hired AI companion can be good for this but only sometimes. AI can sometimes suck. Another is that if you have to hire 1-X hirelings per dungeon/adventure it can quickly burn into your funds and run you dry. But all the loot is yours. but that's only beneficial if there is a set loot amount and not based on number of PCs. But also doing it solo like that turns into much more of a sandbox than it needs to be IMO and gets boring quick.
Hmm a thought
how 'bout rather than WotC make some failure of a first/third person MMO they make kind of RTS or group/party* MMO.
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*not sure what word would work because I can't think of an MMO that uses a format that I'm thinking of. I'm thinking back to games like IceWind Dale where you control a group of up to like 6 PCs. They can be of any composition you would like. So I was thinking of something like that but in an MMO style. So rather than controlling 1 character ya control a party. And if things are set up with rules and abilities akin to 4e each character shouldn't have some super overwhelming number of commands to sift through and most of their at-wills and multi-use encounter powers can be on some kind of auto use ability to cut down on the amount of micro one needs. anyways just a thought. of course that downside still to the whole thing is that it's an MMO. T_T
The daugnther of neighbors is ringing the doorbell because she needs your internet conection and wikipedia for her homework.
Two questions:
1) Isn't this what WiFi networks are for?
2) Did you steal this scenario from a porno movie?
The level cap is also low, but the game allows a lot of customizing. Rather then killing random stuff to get to the next level, you have to run specific quests or find specific monsters in order to unlock new skills, which aren't neccesarily better, they're just different.
It also allows you to rebuild your character at any time, so you're not required to always have the same party, you can easily switch between roles (assuming your class has a certain role)
Escef. I was telling you a imaginary, hypotetical case. It´s posible too my little neigbord need my help to signature of English. (And if her brother who is two years old... you can fogert playing with PC because he wants see lazytown videos). Only I have exaggerated the situation.
Have you tried Champions online?
Pluisjen. If you hack the game and cheat money and XP for "lone wolf" you can´t use it for MMO. And if "citizen of world" character get too many gold and XPs I think the server software would detect a leveling up too fast with less number of quest completed.
But you couldn't prove it. You're making essentially a hugely complicated and expensive system (that requires constant supervision) in order to make a game that requires you to have an internet connection playing without an internet connection. I cannot imagine how that could possibly be worthwhile as a company.
Have you tried Champions online?
Yeah, it's kinda fun. Like the style and the customization. Just find the battles a bit boring, but that's a pretty generic issue with MMOs.
I imagine, suppose the new games when your character is level up (or complete a great, great, great challenge) the hour and date is recorded. The software can tell server information about archievement and completed quests. If cheats are done and the level up is too fast... could be discovered... I hope hacking MMO PC stats isn´t easy.
I mean even with perfect control you can still cheat by simply not being behind your PC and pinging the server with achievements you got at a steady rate, but slow enough to not be picked up. An offline/online MMO mix is simply not economically feasible.
The daugnther of neighbors is ringing the doorbell because she needs your internet conection and wikipedia for her homework.
Two questions:
1) Isn't this what WiFi networks are for?
2) Did you steal this scenario from a porno movie?
I was gonna ask if she was legal, and looked good... otherwise, just ignore the doorbell...
I was gonna ask if she was legal, and looked good... otherwise, just ignore the doorbell...
That's pretty much the best available plan, yes.
Seems Luis is closer to the right of the spectrum then some of us, though not as close to the right as many
yeah I know some people that don't have enough for a computer or a calculator but have enough for the latest smart phone thingy. Which is fine cuz they can surf the intertubes and do a lot of what a TI 89 can do with those suckers. They also have good game selections.
I found Guildwars did the Merc (and really the whole MMO) thing pretty well. The Mercs are basically free, but you get less loot when using them (just like when you have a party)
The level cap is also low, but the game allows a lot of customizing. Rather then killing random stuff to get to the next level, you have to run specific quests or find specific monsters in order to unlock new skills, which aren't neccesarily better, they're just different.
It also allows you to rebuild your character at any time, so you're not required to always have the same party, you can easily switch between roles (assuming your class has a certain role)
Yeah I really loved that about Guild Wars. I hope GW2 still has all the elements that made it interesting while getting rid of some of the crap (like dyes, it should not be that expensive or difficult to change what color armor you're wearing).