Going with The Russel Crowe Solution

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#1

yellowdingo

Oct 04, 2008 23:43:10
Can you think of any reason not to "Give every US citizen a Million dollars" (apart from the economic blowout as 700 billion becomes 300 thousand-billion)?
#2

knights_disciple

Oct 05, 2008 0:17:24
Can you think of any reason not to "Give every US citizen a Million dollars" (apart from the economic blowout as 700 billion becomes 300 thousand-billion)?

Um, where would that money come from?
The 700 billion loan comes (as I've taken to understand) to like 30k per person.
300,000,000 x 1,000,000 = 300,000,000,000,000.
That's 300 trillion.
I think the current US national debt (that is, the fed's debt) is maybe 10trillion.
So either we increase the nation's debt absurdly, or print so much money our inflation ends up horrendously.
#3

doomsought

Oct 05, 2008 0:21:35
yes, the very basis of economics: supply and demand. If every body has a million of it, it has no values. We'll end up like Germany after WW1 and use it for wall paper.
#4

Qube

Oct 05, 2008 3:24:45
Can you think of any reason not to "Give every US citizen a Million dollars" (apart from the economic blowout as 700 billion becomes 300 thousand-billion)?

yes: I am not an US citizen, and I also want a million dollars :D
#5

powercat

Oct 05, 2008 10:33:31
Um, where would that money come from?
The 700 billion loan comes (as I've taken to understand) to like 30k per person.

Actually, if you're using 300 million as the U.S. population, it comes out to a bit more than $2,300 per person. Which still makes the economic stimulus from earlier this year look like chump change.
#6

nowiwantmydmg

Oct 05, 2008 15:06:32
I thought this thread was about hitting people with phones.........


But to answer your question: Inflation- all that money would be worthless.
#7

goblin_pride

Oct 05, 2008 19:09:49
I thought this thread was about hitting people with phones.........

Start with CEOs and politicians and then move in towards middle America. When you get to the part of the country that recalls fondly the words of the 2nd amendment to the constitution, you'll have reached your stopping point.
#8

RUMPLESTIX

Oct 05, 2008 20:17:10
Start with CEOs and politicians and then move in towards middle America. When you get to the part of the country that recalls fondly the words of the 2nd amendment to the constitution, you'll have reached your stopping point.

I prefer to actively live by the 2nd amendment and own guns as opposed to remembering it fondly.
It is your civic duty to own guns and challenge those who wish to hinder and or eliminate that right.

All in favor, signify by saying 'Aye!'

On my count, I need more guns.
#9

doomsought

Oct 05, 2008 20:52:32
Don't forget cannons, as long as they are black powder and front loaded, they legally aren't fire-arms.
I will have so much fun with that if I ever get the money.
#10

goblin_pride

Oct 05, 2008 20:59:09
I prefer to actively live by the 2nd amendment and own guns as opposed to remembering it fondly.
It is your civic duty to own guns and challenge those who wish to hinder and or eliminate that right.

That was kind of the point. It's not so easy to hit someone with a telephone when they're holding a gun.
#11

braveboudica

Oct 05, 2008 20:59:15
I prefer to actively live by the 2nd amendment and own guns as opposed to remembering it fondly.
It is your civic duty to own guns and challenge those who wish to hinder and or eliminate that right.

All in favor, signify by saying 'Aye!'

On my count, I need more guns.

Aye! Indeed. Brave Boudica has bullets in her pocket and a song in her heart.
#12

baneofelves

Oct 05, 2008 21:03:18
I prefer to actively live by the 2nd amendment and own guns as opposed to remembering it fondly.
It is your civic duty to own guns and challenge those who wish to hinder and or eliminate that right.

All in favor, signify by saying 'Aye!'

On my count, I need more guns.

AYE!
#13

RUMPLESTIX

Oct 05, 2008 21:35:09
That was kind of the point. It's not so easy to hit someone with a telephone when they're holding a gun.

I hoped that was what you meant, but I thought it may have been a sad commentary on those trying to take these rights away.
Thankyou for the clarification and the support!

Aye! Indeed. Brave Boudica has bullets in her pocket and a song in her heart.

Thankyou, Brave Boudica

AYE!

Thankyou, bane of elves

#14

knights_disciple

Oct 05, 2008 23:31:27
I prefer to actively live by the 2nd amendment and own guns as opposed to remembering it fondly.
It is your civic duty to own guns and challenge those who wish to hinder and or eliminate that right.

All in favor, signify by saying 'Aye!'

On my count, I need more guns.

MOAR DAKKA!!!!
#15

aran_kell

Oct 06, 2008 4:26:18
MOAR DAKKA!!!!

now that's just crazy talk!

*goes back to painting his car red so that it goes one inch further each turn*
#16

knights_disciple

Oct 06, 2008 4:31:54
now that's just crazy talk!

*goes back to painting his car red so that it goes one inch further each turn*

But...

I don't have enuff dakka yet...
#17

m-bark

Oct 06, 2008 7:05:55
I see no reason why not. If every US citizen were a millionaire the dollar wouldn't be worth much and US economy would collapse. Now I don't know that big a deal of economy, but I think that I could come to the US with just a few euros in my wallet and buy myself a state.

WOO! Go US!
#18

jimprofit

Oct 06, 2008 7:23:46
Yes.

Principle.


What entitles people to a million dollars? Even if somehow this was economically feasible and it didn't collapse the country.. what would make them deserving of such money?

Capitalism is based on the premise that people get what they earn. Not what they need, not even what they want. But through hard work and talent, they can acheive great things.

Ofcourse this isn't always the case. Obviously if it were, Paris Hilton would be a hobo pushing a groccery cartoon with her stupid dog in it barking at her for being such a failure. But keep in mind, she's the descendent of a rich person. He earned that money, and it's his right to spoil his daughter!


I would not donate a cent to anyone. Perhaps children or animals. But adults are some of the most ungrateful, reckless, cruel people on God's green earth. I do not feel sympathy for them when I see them struggling to make ends meat. Maybe that's not fair, it's just deep seated cynicscm when obviously not everybody is selfish, mean, and foolish. But you know what? I don't care.


Nobody helped me. Nobody cared about me. Why should I struggle to give people the oppurtunities they never gave me? Screw them. They're lucky I don't kick them while they're down... I obviously am grateful to those who are nice to me, and in return am nice to them. This is rational altruism.


So no, I wouldn't want everyone to have a million dollars. Infact I'd go to great lengths to insure they didn't get a million dollars. But would work to see if me and my girlfriend could get the million dollars.


And then I'd use every dollar to spoil her as much as Paris Hilton.





As far as second ammendment goes. I am very libertarian on gun laws. Even felons should be able to buy them. What I am opposed to is hunting rufles. Not cause of the gun itself, but it's used for hunting. I'm opposed to hunting/farming. I believe in animal's rights, and would like to see farming/hunting banned or atleast strongly regulated.



Yes, I know.. an animal rights, gun-enthsiast, anti-war, capitalist?! You won't see that on no presidential ticket...
#19

goblin_pride

Oct 06, 2008 8:22:08
Yes, I know.. an animal rights, gun-enthsiast, anti-war, capitalist?! You won't see that on no presidential ticket...

Why not? I'd have you take the second chair if I was on the ticket, but only if you made me a promise to not change one damned thing during the campaign. Mind you, I'd be running on the "screw you" principle, so you'd fit right in.
#20

paul_profession_baker

Oct 06, 2008 9:33:35
Nobody helped me. Nobody cared about me. Why should I struggle to give people the oppurtunities they never gave me? Screw them. They're lucky I don't kick them while they're down... I obviously am grateful to those who are nice to me, and in return am nice to them. This is rational altruism.

As far as second ammendment goes. I am very libertarian on gun laws. Even felons should be able to buy them. What I am opposed to is hunting rufles. Not cause of the gun itself, but it's used for hunting. I'm opposed to hunting/farming. I believe in animal's rights, and would like to see farming/hunting banned or atleast strongly regulated.

Wow, I just encountered my complet opposite. Nobody helped me, so I make sure others don't live the same thing and don't make the same mistakes. I am for gun control. Guess what? Felons will most probably use guns for felonies. So I prefer guns to be limited for hunting/police/military. I am the son of a farmer, so I have no problem with farming. Farming is a natural way of living and it produces MOST of what everybody eats. While hunting, if done responsibly, is a natural way to eat also.
#21

zombie_babies

Oct 06, 2008 10:14:41
I prefer to actively live by the 2nd amendment and own guns as opposed to remembering it fondly.
It is your civic duty to own guns and challenge those who wish to hinder and or eliminate that right.

All in favor, signify by saying 'Aye!'

On my count, I need more guns.

Aye.

I collect guns, actually. Wish I had the cash to really get into it, though. I'm more of a window shopper, really, though I did just get a new one a couple months ago. Now if I can only convince the fiancee that guns are a better use of our cash than wedding savings, I'd be set. :D

And I also use my guns to kill tasty animals to eat. And I will continue to do so until I am no longer physically able.
#22

1_ton_ghost

Oct 07, 2008 14:11:04
Loved the phone bit btw...;)

Bailout monies to all the John/Jane Doe's on the block? Never in a million years. Too many reasons to name on here w/out killing everyone w/ eye strain. Not that I'm happy w/ the way $700 billion is going to go now, nor the millions in bunk social programs, foreign aid to ungrateful/hostile nations, mammoth amounts wasted on pork barrel spending, and govt. reps that vote themselves raises at the drop of a hat...

Just, plainly put, no IMO.

As for the guns...
They are very good investments if you take care of them. Quite a few of my dad's friends & contemporaries saw the writing on the wall and bought a lot of firearms, specific models too, before the Brady Bill was passed. Law went into affect, they sat on these guns, never using them beyond a good cleaning, and then they appreciated greatly...eventually, they were sold for very respectable prices too.
1 of these guys paid for his kid's college tuition w/ the proceeds all due to skittish Americans that failed to understand the details of the 2nd Amendment, gun specs, and economy.