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| #1homicidal_squirrelJul 07, 2011 21:18:28 | www.miaminewtimes.com/2011-06-30/news/mi... |
| #2grehnheweJul 07, 2011 21:31:55 | I would prefer not to give it a shot. |
| #3homicidal_squirrelJul 07, 2011 21:46:07 | I would prefer not to give it a shot. ![]() I'm guessing this will turn out like the red light cameras. |
| #4grehnheweJul 07, 2011 22:03:06 | I have read some articles recently regarding red light cameras in my state. It seems the initial pros of safety and revenue are beginning to be out-weighed by the cons of reliability and enforcement. |
| #5homicidal_squirrelJul 07, 2011 22:14:39 | Yeah, red light cameras fell a bit short in the revenue department. Even the city's mayor basically admitted to getting them to increase revenue. Instead they fell short. This gun shot detection system will probably turn out to be the same. A bunch of money wasted. |
| #6capitan_estabanJul 08, 2011 0:17:46 | Gunshot detection (or cameras) that go with them probably won't reduce crime, that is what public executions are for. |
| #7homicidal_squirrelJul 08, 2011 0:21:20 | Pffft... this is Miami we are talking about. We have a bunch of cops shooting and killing people on the streets. Crime hasn't gone down. |
| #8capitan_estabanJul 08, 2011 0:25:51 | Thats because the people aren't shooting the cops. (This is assuming that you meant that the cops are shooting people and killing the illegally in the street) |
| #9homicidal_squirrelJul 08, 2011 0:32:59 | They do. Just makes it worse. A few years ago a couple of Dade County officers were shot and killed. The SRT (previously the SWAT) team went after the guy. The guy was found by cops in the next county over. A bit latter Dade county's SRT team had already filled him full of holes. |
| #10homicidal_squirrelJul 08, 2011 0:35:26 | (This is assuming that you meant that the cops are shooting people and killing the illegally in the street) Sometimes they do... sometimes they don't. It depends on the department and the specific officer. Some departments are known for having more trouble than others. I once saw a cop toss a girl down an escalator. |
| #11capitan_estabanJul 08, 2011 1:00:13 | (This is assuming that you meant that the cops are shooting people and killing the illegally in the street) It is strange to me that when an officer commits a crime, and other officers observe it and don't report it (sometimes leaving in the same vehicle as their partner), they aren't charged as an accessory. More executions for treason I say. |
| #12homicidal_squirrelJul 08, 2011 1:19:19 | Don't what to tell you. Down here every cop gets his/her own vehicle unless they are working special teams like SRT or crime prevention, are working in the marina (they may share a boat), or some undercover stuff that has two officers officers in one car. The only time you really see two uniformed police officers in one car is either when one officer (training officer) is training the other (fresh out of the academy), or a parade. Also, you would need to change the definition of treason. Seeing as your definition of treason would probably insnare many politicians on both sides of the isle, I think you would see the greatest example of bipartisanship when they unanimously vote to reject your definition. You may be awarded to title of "The Great Uniter," right before they have you imprisoned for some arbitrary reason. |
| #13draco1119Jul 08, 2011 9:52:56 | Also, you would need to change the definition of treason. Seeing as your definition of treason would probably insnare many politicians on both sides of the isle, I think you would see the greatest example of bipartisanship when they unanimously vote to reject your definition. You may be awarded to title of "The Great Uniter," right before they have you imprisoned for some arbitrary reason. Like treason. ![]() |
| #14zombie_babiesJul 08, 2011 12:00:03 | I can see it now: fireworks sales skyrocket as news that the detection devices have trouble with them. Before shooting your black gun, gang bangers, make sure you light and toss a pack of Black Cats. ;) Anyone else see the title and think the detector was some guy yelling 'holy ****, I've been shot!'? ![]() |
| #15homicidal_squirrelJul 08, 2011 12:06:03 | I can see it now: fireworks sales skyrocket as news that the detection devices have trouble with them. Before shooting you black gun, gang bangers, make sure you light and toss a pack of Black Cats. ;) You know what the best part is? They want to put it in areas like Overtown and Liberty City. These are some of the poorest areas around. Every time some starts up their piece of junk car and it backfires, there are going to be 20 cops showing up. Yeah... this is going to be another catastrophic waste of money. I'm also curious to see how they are going to handle the 4th of July and New Year's Eve. I bet for those days the system will be down to avoid sending police officers to check out fire works. Unfortunately for them people down here have a bad tendency to shoot into the air and those shots will probably be missed because the system is down. I wonder what kind of a kickback the Mayor is getting to push this through. |
| #16zombie_babiesJul 08, 2011 12:35:42 | Yeah, it's pretty stupid. Either false positives will cause someone to be actually harmed while the cops are dealing with them or they'll cause those using the system to become complacent. And how hard would it be to mask a gunshot if the thing can't differentiate between what causes the sounds it picks up? |
| #17EscherEnigmaJul 08, 2011 12:44:05 | Why not just put in cameras as well? Have them deactivated normally, but when the gunshot detector goes off the dispatch officer reviews the scene and decides whether or not to send an officer. |
| #18homicidal_squirrelJul 08, 2011 12:54:59 | Yeah, it's pretty stupid. Either false positives will cause someone to be actually harmed while the cops are dealing with them or they'll cause those using the system to become complacent. And how hard would it be to mask a gunshot if the thing can't differentiate between what causes the sounds it picks up? I'm guessing sending a bunch of cops running around after people they think may have fired a gun is going to lead to cost overruns. There are supposed to be cameras installed as well, but I doubt there will be enough to see everything. And during the Summer we get a ridiculous amount of rain. How will this detection system function then? As to someone being harmed... I got a funny story for you. A while back when I was working as a Fire rescue dispatcher, there was a call on the police side. Rookie officer stopped a car. While he is out on the call he decides he needs backup, so he radios in and asks for a 315. Whenever when cops or fire personnel are requesting backup they ask for a 15. You can add a 1, a 2, or a 3 before it so the dispatcher knows how fast to send you your backup. A 1 or a 2 are not emergency signals, but a 3 is. If you ask for a 315 that pretty much means that the officer's or fire personnel's life is in danger. That is the best way to get every single cop in the area to drop what they are doing and rush to your location. Even officers from other departments rush in. So this new guy calls for the 315 and we automatically get the call on the fire rescue side because there might be need for paramedics. Apparently about 20+ police cars showed up at the scene. It was something out of the movies where you have a bunch of cops speeding through the streets an skidding to a stop before jumping out with their guns drawn and shouting at the passenger and driver of the car. The driver was some old lady and the passenger her daughter. Fortunately we had sent a rescue unit out because the old lady almost had a heart attack. |
| #19homicidal_squirrelJul 08, 2011 12:58:44 | Why not just put in cameras as well? Have them deactivated normally, but when the gunshot detector goes off the dispatch officer reviews the scene and decides whether or not to send an officer. That's probably how it works. I'm guessing the cameras are off normally and activate when the detection system picks up a sound that resembles a gunshot. Although I'm not sure how well the camera system will work. We have highway cameras set up to checkout accident scenes. When I was a dispatcher for the fire department we were supposed to use them when we sent units out to highways. Unfortunately the rain usually messed them up and take them off-line. |
| #20zombie_babiesJul 08, 2011 13:01:56 | The other thing is the cameras will need to be monitored. This could be done by training existing personnel to do this in addition to their other duties - obviously creating an issue - or by hiring new people specifically to do it - obviously increasing cost. |
| #21draco1119Jul 08, 2011 13:30:43 | As to someone being harmed... I got a funny story for you. A while back when I was working as a Fire rescue dispatcher, there was a call on the police side. Rookie officer stopped a car. While he is out on the call he decides he needs backup, so he radios in and asks for a 315. Whenever when cops or fire personnel are requesting backup they ask for a 15. You can add a 1, a 2, or a 3 before it so the dispatcher knows how fast to send you your backup. A 1 or a 2 are not emergency signals, but a 3 is. If you ask for a 315 that pretty much means that the officer's or fire personnel's life is in danger. That is the best way to get every single cop in the area to drop what they are doing and rush to your location. Even officers from other departments rush in. So this new guy calls for the 315 and we automatically get the call on the fire rescue side because there might be need for paramedics. Apparently about 20+ police cars showed up at the scene. It was something out of the movies where you have a bunch of cops speeding through the streets an skidding to a stop before jumping out with their guns drawn and shouting at the passenger and driver of the car. The driver was some old lady and the passenger her daughter. If Pennsylvania's the Keystone State, how'd you guys end up with the Keystone Kops? |
| #22homicidal_squirrelJul 08, 2011 14:05:07 | If Pennsylvania's the Keystone State, how'd you guys end up with the Keystone Kops? Some cops get on the force because they have a "God Father." Basically some family member of friend of the family that is high up in the department. They help them get passed any "difficulties" that they have in getting into the department or moving up in rank. Out SRT (SWAT)team requires that the officers trying out swim about half a mile. They are taken out on a boat and tossed into the water and told to swim. It is supposed to be a requirement to get on SRT. I heard of a guy who didn't have to take it because some D-bag with rank and pull in the department is related to him. For the most part though, we have a pretty good police department (I'm talking about the county police department). The cities... well... some of them are a different story. |