H1N1 Oversold?

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#1

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 1:32:37
It seems that before all the hype and fear-mongering it was known that the H1N1 was just as virulent, or less so, than the seasonal flu while also being less contagious. Well I guess I should leave you guys to read the [linky] for all the tasty goodness it provides.
#2

Escef

Jan 12, 2010 3:07:48
No, next thing you know they'll do the same thing with avian flu. Oh, wait...
#3

Klirshon

Jan 12, 2010 3:14:33
I thought equestrian flu was next, wasn't it?
#4

darkspartan

Jan 12, 2010 3:17:59
I think? The spread of Swine Flu was much like the last time it was seen. The primary reason people freaked about H1N1 was that thenormal Flu vaccines wouldn't work on it. New strain, new freakout.

No more, no less. The death count from the last round was much higher than it is now.


-Sarena
#5

darkspartan

Jan 12, 2010 3:21:14
I thought equestrian flu was next, wasn't it?



Equine Flu is soooo last Thursday. The next flu we have to worry about is from Suricata suricatta.

meerkat_babiesx.jpg

Innit kyute?

-Sarena
#6

Escef

Jan 12, 2010 3:24:19
Should we start a pool on which obscure version of the flu will be the next disease of the year? I'm not sure if I should put my money on canine or feline flu.
#7

Qube

Jan 12, 2010 3:43:21
cows. I think its the cow's turn. the resurfaccing of mad cow disease or something ...
#8

Duke5150

Jan 12, 2010 3:56:37
Hamthrax is no joke. Tongue out Although I'm not trusting enough to get the vaccine. Might try to implant some biological tracking chip in me that brainwashes me into watching american idol. I can't risk that.
#9

darkspartan

Jan 12, 2010 4:09:10
Hamthrax is no joke.  Although I'm not trusting enough to get the vaccine. Might try to implant some biological tracking chip in me that brainwashes me into watching american idol. I can't risk that.

Or "The Bachelor". Not that the other version is any better. Survivor, Dancing with the Stars, "reality" TV turned into extended gameshows are Ebil.

Meerkat Manor is Reality TV. Same of Mythbusters, and Dirty Jobs.

-Sarena

#10

teepeekay

Jan 12, 2010 4:15:48
It seems that before all the hype and fear-mongering it was known that the H1N1 was just as virulent, or less so, than the seasonal flu while also being less contagious.


At least some people made a killing... ;)
#11

Duke5150

Jan 12, 2010 4:20:35
Hamthrax is no joke.  Although I'm not trusting enough to get the vaccine. Might try to implant some biological tracking chip in me that brainwashes me into watching american idol. I can't risk that.

Or "The Bachelor". Not that the other version is any better. Survivor, Dancing with the Stars, "reality" TV turned into extended gameshows are Ebil.

Meerkat Manor is Reality TV. Same of Mythbusters, and Dirty Jobs.

-Sarena




Lots of "ewww" in that post. I'm not a fan of tv. Especially "popular" tv. I only watch tv when someone else invites me to sit down and hang out. Family guy and legend of the seeker on sundays are about my only regular shows. Just got into seeker, even though its as B-rate as can be. I'll watch My name is earl with my pop, but thats just to hang out with him for a little bit.

I can't stand reality tv or 99% of the crap thats on. Tv these days, just bugs me and the commercials they play annoy the hell out of me. I try to watch the news, but even that pisses me off with the news casters acting like damn celebs. Makes me sick.

I'd rather listen to music and work out, or smash my face into the wall. Anything but watch tv.
#12

pbn

Jan 12, 2010 4:46:02
Might try to implant some biological tracking chip in me that brainwashes me into watching american idol. I can't risk that.


You're half right, but not yet.  I figure within the decade.
#13

Klirshon

Jan 12, 2010 5:16:45

You humans can have your brainwash chips. Robots have more awesome components and are not fleshy, meaty sacks.

#14

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 8:44:45
Learning after the fact that "oops, we miss calculated" is one thing but having the facts, before the hype, and disregarding them is just... I guess I could say wrong but it's more just messed up. Ya know it's people's lives that the government has in their hands and it's just messed up that they would toy with people's lives like such. Making them freak out so much when there was never a threat. That's just plane screwed up.
#15

pluisjen

Jan 12, 2010 8:56:22
I never cared for it, didn't figure it'd hurt.

Even had some of that flu myself, had to stay in bed for a day, no problems. 
#16

Cpt_Micha

Jan 12, 2010 9:22:18
Well you know partly why it was over hyped right?

It was to help make our medical system look like a bunch of heroes at the end of it all when they say "See it didn't kill that many people because we could vaccinate everyone! Everyone could get their vaccines!" To try and stop healthcare reform, and forced cost reductions.

All the last four strains of "ZOMG FLU!" are wimp**** compared to the real flu. Which is wimp **** compared to the Spanish Flu which killed millions of people in a single year and left large portions of countries depopulated.

H1N1 has proven two things to me. 1. There is no depths that the media won't sink to fearmonger, and misinform the public in order to maintain status quo.

and 2. That if a real disease actually sprung up that was actually fairly contagious and extremely lethal, our Inept Medical System would sit around a campfire with their heads up their collective ****, thinking that the amount of vaccine they would have made would be adequate, while most people can't or won't get access to the vaccine in time before they are killed in droves.
#17

pluisjen

Jan 12, 2010 9:24:14
It was overhyped in Europe too, and there's no reform here.

Also, not a lot of people here even bothered to get vacinated. I don't know anyone that did, aside from people that actually work in health-care, but for them it makes sense. 
#18

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 9:29:54
Micha it ain't the health care industry's fault. solely that is. The fed know the facts before hand. The WHO knew about the facts ahead of time. Instead of looking at it and seeing that it likely was nothing to worry about they instead gave the go ahead to over hype and freak out. If anything the case is that it would be to push healthcare reform and get people to go to the government for healthcare. The fact that government willingly hid the info from the public just shows that we shouldn't be trusting government with healthcare.
#19

zahkaryii

Jan 12, 2010 9:37:40
This is old news, really. Anyone who bothered to do a little digging earlier into the beginning of the "epidemic" could tell you that H1N1 was just another Flu variant, and that (while possibly death-savvy), wasn't a large enough threat to get hyped up about and cause a bunch of ruckus. Still, some people are willing to believe that anything their government(s) say must be true, and so will never bother to investigate on their own and come to their own conclusions.
#20

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 9:44:32
Oh, don't get me wrong. I was sure it was a bunch of over hyped BS from the beginning. But for the most part I figured it was mainly just over hyped by the media and maybe by a few people in the healthcare industry. Nope. The government had the info the whole time and rather than telling us the truth, that it is no worse than the normal flu (or possibly not as bad), they instead encouraged people to get a flu vaccination and even went as far as ordering a crap ton of them. For something that they knew was never a concern. They had the info but didn't do a damn thing regarding it but hide it. This is a major concern especially since the whole government healthcare thing is getting big here in the US. Really if they are going to hide crap like this from the people and tell us the opposite should we Americans be trusting them with our lives? I don't think so.
#21

Cpt_Micha

Jan 12, 2010 9:48:16
Oh, don't get me wrong. I was sure it was a bunch of over hyped BS from the beginning. But for the most part I figured it was mainly just over hyped by the media and maybe by a few people in the healthcare industry. Nope. The government had the info the whole time and rather than telling us the truth, that it is no worse than the normal flu (or possibly not as bad), they instead encouraged people to get a flu vaccination and even went as far as ordering a crap ton of them. For something that they knew was never a concern. They had the info but didn't do a damn thing regarding it but hide it. This is a major concern especially since the whole government healthcare thing is getting big here in the US. Really if they are going to hide crap like this from the people and tell us the opposite should we Americans be trusting them with our lives? I don't think so.



Actually the government did put out numbers on CNN at one point trying to calm down the frenzy. Fatalities in both percentages of infected, and raw numbers compared to the Normal Flu. Not once, not twice but at least three times that I am aware of.  Not their fault that everyone pretty much ignored the facts when they were presented.

Besides, we already trust them with our lives remember? They are the ones to the keys of all the Nukes.


#22

Klirshon

Jan 12, 2010 9:52:16
I didn't buy into the swine flu baloney. I figure if this flesh bag can't stand it and fails, good riddance. My immune system can handle influenza quite fine so I doubt this swine flu will do any better (since normal influenza kills more than swine flu if I remember correctly).
#23

zombie_babies

Jan 12, 2010 9:59:56
Umm ... the current administration did hype things a bit.  'Specially when Biden told reporters he wasn't gonna travel on planes any more nor would he allow his family to do so.  Last I checked, he was our racist VP.  He did get called on it, though.  But still, they did what they could to keep it alive.  At the very least, they did nothing to stop the hype.

In any case, they had to get all flu shot crazy.  With the crap G Dub took over Katrina, could you imagine what Obama would have faced had a crapton of people died?  He had no choice since he likely wants to play leader again.  If you want to blame anyone for the overworry, blame the people. 
#24

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 11:08:20
Here if he wants to cover his ass then he could have told the truth, and made sure people heard about it, and said "there is nothing to worry about for we believe it to not be any worse than the seasonal flu" while still providing the vaccine for those nuts rather than keeping the true lethality of it hidden and instead ordering up tons of vaccines like there is something to worry about. It's one thing to be cautious. It's on thing to try and make people panic when there is no reason to panic.
#25

Cpt_Micha

Jan 12, 2010 11:15:28
Here if he wants to cover his ass then he could have told the truth, and made sure people heard about it, and said "there is nothing to worry about for we believe it to not be any worse than the seasonal flu" while still providing the vaccine for those nuts rather than keeping the true lethality of it hidden and instead ordering up tons of vaccines like there is something to worry about. It's one thing to be cautious. It's on thing to try and make people panic when there is no reason to panic.



Think of it this way, the vaccines should have been available on mass anyway. *even if it's not super lethal* He was telling the **** to do their **** job in the first place.

Besides, with how the media takes things out of context and then proceeds to twist and warp reality to fit their views which they then promptly push on us, do you really think it would have made a difference what he said or didn't say?

Personally I don't.

#26

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 11:20:15
Yes, cuz to me it seems as if this administration was doing nothing but encouraging the pandemic view of H1N1.
#27

Cpt_Micha

Jan 12, 2010 11:24:31
To you yes.

But if they had not talked about it much other than the upping of vaccines. What do you think Faux News and it's affiliates would say?

That Obama, is too stupid to recognize the threat of H1N1.

I'm pretty sure we'd see Headlines like that.
#28

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 11:29:34
I'm not saying the administration should have been shush about it. They had a chance to do something and it seems they chose to back the pandemic view when there was no evidence that such would occur or that it was occuring.

What I'm saying is that they shoud have come out and told we the people, in many different forms, what the real threat was and while doing so be prepared for them being a bit wrong. Tell the people and yes there are ways of getting out the news then giving it to CNN, ABC and FOX to to scew it. There are ways to let the masses know and yet it seems they chose not to.
#29

bone_naga

Jan 12, 2010 16:44:41
Of course it was BS. Just like Bush wanted DHS to up the threat warnings around election time (because one of his perceived strengths was homeland security), anyone notice that the H1N1 hysteria really picked up speed before Obama started pushing health care reform?

Of course, no one seemed to notice that the same government that will deliver this new health care was apparently incapable of delivering even half the number of H1N1 vaccines that were promised.
#30

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 16:46:22
Yeah I noticed that. The up of the threat by obama came before the big surge for a healthcare bill to be passed.
#31

lhockee

Jan 12, 2010 16:52:35
I kept hoping to get infected with the Swine Flu, and then take a plane. I'd be a real-live Flying Pig. Also, H1N1 was over-hyped on every level imaginable, and the fact that the government(s) knew about just how dangerous a threat it really was(n't), isn't anything new. I don't know a single government that doesn't keep things to Itself if it thinks it'll move forward some goal or other.
#32

Escef

Jan 12, 2010 16:53:56
Of course the flu was hyped up... just like global warming... and you can clearly see who is behind it...


The thing with global warming is that all we can really say is that we're seeing weather patterns that are unusual in our experience. Global warming may be real, it may not. And if it is, we also can't point to a cause. We just don't have enough data.
#33

bone_naga

Jan 12, 2010 16:54:25
Cap'n...
 Weren't you smirking at me and a few others for not getting the flu shot

See? It didn't matter anyway

Of course the flu was hyped up... just like global warming... and you can clearly see who is behind it...


I wish I had had a say in the matter. I protested as much as I could against it (I protest against getting the seasonal flu shot too, I've got an immune system for a reason, let it do its work), but no dice. Unfortunately, I don't really get a say in the matter.

Oh, and to correct you, it is now global climate change. That way they're covered no matter what happens. People need to realize that the climate changes on its own, and change isn't always bad. If it weren't for climate change, we'd still be in an ice age.
#34

bone_naga

Jan 12, 2010 16:57:53
bone_naga, I think I'm falling in love with you!


It's only natural, just ask my wife.
#35

lhockee

Jan 12, 2010 17:07:30
#36

Cpt_Micha

Jan 13, 2010 10:47:45
Cap'n...
 Weren't you smirking at me and a few others for not getting the flu shot

See? It didn't matter anyway

Of course the flu was hyped up... just like global warming... and you can clearly see who is behind it...



I do believe I was yes.

I didn't get the shot either. *Last time I got one.. I got sick the following day. After that, my dad got one a couple years later and guess what... we all got sick... worst sick I ever was.*  mostly because I doubt the effectiveness of flu shots.

#37

lhockee

Jan 13, 2010 11:31:41
You know, come to think of it, I didn't get my flu shot either, and still didn't get sick. In fact, the majority of people I know who did get sick, were the one's who did take the Swine Shot. Odd?
#38

bone_naga

Jan 13, 2010 12:46:23
I do believe I was yes.

I didn't get the shot either. *Last time I got one.. I got sick the following day. After that, my dad got one a couple years later and guess what... we all got sick... worst sick I ever was.*  mostly because I doubt the effectiveness of flu shots.


Every year I get sick for the morning of one day out of that year. It has never made a difference whether I got the shot or not. One day I will wake up puking my guts out, and a few hours later I will be just fine.
#39

lhockee

Jan 13, 2010 12:54:29
Augh.

There's a bunch of oldies at the local library all bragging about how they got their Swine Shot, or complaining about having to wait, and how nice it is to get vaccinated. And then going on and on and on and on and on and on, and on some more, about how horrible and nasty the H1N1 is. Somebody roll me a 20 please... Auto-Crit, auto-crit!
#40

Klirshon

Jan 14, 2010 3:15:50
There is a reason you tend to get sick from taking a flu vaccination. It's a weak dosage of the flu itself mixed with other chemicals to help stimulate your immune system.
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(Though I'm sure most of you should have already knew that.)
#42

Escef

Jan 12, 2010 3:07:48
No, next thing you know they'll do the same thing with avian flu. Oh, wait...
#43

Klirshon

Jan 12, 2010 3:14:33
I thought equestrian flu was next, wasn't it?
#44

darkspartan

Jan 12, 2010 3:17:59
I think? The spread of Swine Flu was much like the last time it was seen. The primary reason people freaked about H1N1 was that thenormal Flu vaccines wouldn't work on it. New strain, new freakout.

No more, no less. The death count from the last round was much higher than it is now.


-Sarena
#45

darkspartan

Jan 12, 2010 3:21:14
I thought equestrian flu was next, wasn't it?



Equine Flu is soooo last Thursday. The next flu we have to worry about is from Suricata suricatta.

meerkat_babiesx.jpg

Innit kyute?

-Sarena
#46

Escef

Jan 12, 2010 3:24:19
Should we start a pool on which obscure version of the flu will be the next disease of the year? I'm not sure if I should put my money on canine or feline flu.
#47

Qube

Jan 12, 2010 3:43:21
cows. I think its the cow's turn. the resurfaccing of mad cow disease or something ...
#48

Duke5150

Jan 12, 2010 3:56:37
Hamthrax is no joke. Tongue out Although I'm not trusting enough to get the vaccine. Might try to implant some biological tracking chip in me that brainwashes me into watching american idol. I can't risk that.
#49

darkspartan

Jan 12, 2010 4:09:10
Hamthrax is no joke.  Although I'm not trusting enough to get the vaccine. Might try to implant some biological tracking chip in me that brainwashes me into watching american idol. I can't risk that.

Or "The Bachelor". Not that the other version is any better. Survivor, Dancing with the Stars, "reality" TV turned into extended gameshows are Ebil.

Meerkat Manor is Reality TV. Same of Mythbusters, and Dirty Jobs.

-Sarena

#50

teepeekay

Jan 12, 2010 4:15:48
It seems that before all the hype and fear-mongering it was known that the H1N1 was just as virulent, or less so, than the seasonal flu while also being less contagious.


At least some people made a killing... ;)
#51

Duke5150

Jan 12, 2010 4:20:35
Hamthrax is no joke.  Although I'm not trusting enough to get the vaccine. Might try to implant some biological tracking chip in me that brainwashes me into watching american idol. I can't risk that.

Or "The Bachelor". Not that the other version is any better. Survivor, Dancing with the Stars, "reality" TV turned into extended gameshows are Ebil.

Meerkat Manor is Reality TV. Same of Mythbusters, and Dirty Jobs.

-Sarena




Lots of "ewww" in that post. I'm not a fan of tv. Especially "popular" tv. I only watch tv when someone else invites me to sit down and hang out. Family guy and legend of the seeker on sundays are about my only regular shows. Just got into seeker, even though its as B-rate as can be. I'll watch My name is earl with my pop, but thats just to hang out with him for a little bit.

I can't stand reality tv or 99% of the crap thats on. Tv these days, just bugs me and the commercials they play annoy the hell out of me. I try to watch the news, but even that pisses me off with the news casters acting like damn celebs. Makes me sick.

I'd rather listen to music and work out, or smash my face into the wall. Anything but watch tv.
#52

pbn

Jan 12, 2010 4:46:02
Might try to implant some biological tracking chip in me that brainwashes me into watching american idol. I can't risk that.


You're half right, but not yet.  I figure within the decade.
#53

Klirshon

Jan 12, 2010 5:16:45

You humans can have your brainwash chips. Robots have more awesome components and are not fleshy, meaty sacks.

#54

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 8:44:45
Learning after the fact that "oops, we miss calculated" is one thing but having the facts, before the hype, and disregarding them is just... I guess I could say wrong but it's more just messed up. Ya know it's people's lives that the government has in their hands and it's just messed up that they would toy with people's lives like such. Making them freak out so much when there was never a threat. That's just plane screwed up.
#55

pluisjen

Jan 12, 2010 8:56:22
I never cared for it, didn't figure it'd hurt.

Even had some of that flu myself, had to stay in bed for a day, no problems. 
#56

Cpt_Micha

Jan 12, 2010 9:22:18
Well you know partly why it was over hyped right?

It was to help make our medical system look like a bunch of heroes at the end of it all when they say "See it didn't kill that many people because we could vaccinate everyone! Everyone could get their vaccines!" To try and stop healthcare reform, and forced cost reductions.

All the last four strains of "ZOMG FLU!" are wimp**** compared to the real flu. Which is wimp **** compared to the Spanish Flu which killed millions of people in a single year and left large portions of countries depopulated.

H1N1 has proven two things to me. 1. There is no depths that the media won't sink to fearmonger, and misinform the public in order to maintain status quo.

and 2. That if a real disease actually sprung up that was actually fairly contagious and extremely lethal, our Inept Medical System would sit around a campfire with their heads up their collective ****, thinking that the amount of vaccine they would have made would be adequate, while most people can't or won't get access to the vaccine in time before they are killed in droves.
#57

pluisjen

Jan 12, 2010 9:24:14
It was overhyped in Europe too, and there's no reform here.

Also, not a lot of people here even bothered to get vacinated. I don't know anyone that did, aside from people that actually work in health-care, but for them it makes sense. 
#58

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 9:29:54
Micha it ain't the health care industry's fault. solely that is. The fed know the facts before hand. The WHO knew about the facts ahead of time. Instead of looking at it and seeing that it likely was nothing to worry about they instead gave the go ahead to over hype and freak out. If anything the case is that it would be to push healthcare reform and get people to go to the government for healthcare. The fact that government willingly hid the info from the public just shows that we shouldn't be trusting government with healthcare.
#59

zahkaryii

Jan 12, 2010 9:37:40
This is old news, really. Anyone who bothered to do a little digging earlier into the beginning of the "epidemic" could tell you that H1N1 was just another Flu variant, and that (while possibly death-savvy), wasn't a large enough threat to get hyped up about and cause a bunch of ruckus. Still, some people are willing to believe that anything their government(s) say must be true, and so will never bother to investigate on their own and come to their own conclusions.
#60

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 9:44:32
Oh, don't get me wrong. I was sure it was a bunch of over hyped BS from the beginning. But for the most part I figured it was mainly just over hyped by the media and maybe by a few people in the healthcare industry. Nope. The government had the info the whole time and rather than telling us the truth, that it is no worse than the normal flu (or possibly not as bad), they instead encouraged people to get a flu vaccination and even went as far as ordering a crap ton of them. For something that they knew was never a concern. They had the info but didn't do a damn thing regarding it but hide it. This is a major concern especially since the whole government healthcare thing is getting big here in the US. Really if they are going to hide crap like this from the people and tell us the opposite should we Americans be trusting them with our lives? I don't think so.
#61

Cpt_Micha

Jan 12, 2010 9:48:16
Oh, don't get me wrong. I was sure it was a bunch of over hyped BS from the beginning. But for the most part I figured it was mainly just over hyped by the media and maybe by a few people in the healthcare industry. Nope. The government had the info the whole time and rather than telling us the truth, that it is no worse than the normal flu (or possibly not as bad), they instead encouraged people to get a flu vaccination and even went as far as ordering a crap ton of them. For something that they knew was never a concern. They had the info but didn't do a damn thing regarding it but hide it. This is a major concern especially since the whole government healthcare thing is getting big here in the US. Really if they are going to hide crap like this from the people and tell us the opposite should we Americans be trusting them with our lives? I don't think so.



Actually the government did put out numbers on CNN at one point trying to calm down the frenzy. Fatalities in both percentages of infected, and raw numbers compared to the Normal Flu. Not once, not twice but at least three times that I am aware of.  Not their fault that everyone pretty much ignored the facts when they were presented.

Besides, we already trust them with our lives remember? They are the ones to the keys of all the Nukes.


#62

Klirshon

Jan 12, 2010 9:52:16
I didn't buy into the swine flu baloney. I figure if this flesh bag can't stand it and fails, good riddance. My immune system can handle influenza quite fine so I doubt this swine flu will do any better (since normal influenza kills more than swine flu if I remember correctly).
#63

zombie_babies

Jan 12, 2010 9:59:56
Umm ... the current administration did hype things a bit.  'Specially when Biden told reporters he wasn't gonna travel on planes any more nor would he allow his family to do so.  Last I checked, he was our racist VP.  He did get called on it, though.  But still, they did what they could to keep it alive.  At the very least, they did nothing to stop the hype.

In any case, they had to get all flu shot crazy.  With the crap G Dub took over Katrina, could you imagine what Obama would have faced had a crapton of people died?  He had no choice since he likely wants to play leader again.  If you want to blame anyone for the overworry, blame the people. 
#64

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 11:08:20
Here if he wants to cover his ass then he could have told the truth, and made sure people heard about it, and said "there is nothing to worry about for we believe it to not be any worse than the seasonal flu" while still providing the vaccine for those nuts rather than keeping the true lethality of it hidden and instead ordering up tons of vaccines like there is something to worry about. It's one thing to be cautious. It's on thing to try and make people panic when there is no reason to panic.
#65

Cpt_Micha

Jan 12, 2010 11:15:28
Here if he wants to cover his ass then he could have told the truth, and made sure people heard about it, and said "there is nothing to worry about for we believe it to not be any worse than the seasonal flu" while still providing the vaccine for those nuts rather than keeping the true lethality of it hidden and instead ordering up tons of vaccines like there is something to worry about. It's one thing to be cautious. It's on thing to try and make people panic when there is no reason to panic.



Think of it this way, the vaccines should have been available on mass anyway. *even if it's not super lethal* He was telling the **** to do their **** job in the first place.

Besides, with how the media takes things out of context and then proceeds to twist and warp reality to fit their views which they then promptly push on us, do you really think it would have made a difference what he said or didn't say?

Personally I don't.

#66

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 11:20:15
Yes, cuz to me it seems as if this administration was doing nothing but encouraging the pandemic view of H1N1.
#67

Cpt_Micha

Jan 12, 2010 11:24:31
To you yes.

But if they had not talked about it much other than the upping of vaccines. What do you think Faux News and it's affiliates would say?

That Obama, is too stupid to recognize the threat of H1N1.

I'm pretty sure we'd see Headlines like that.
#68

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 11:29:34
I'm not saying the administration should have been shush about it. They had a chance to do something and it seems they chose to back the pandemic view when there was no evidence that such would occur or that it was occuring.

What I'm saying is that they shoud have come out and told we the people, in many different forms, what the real threat was and while doing so be prepared for them being a bit wrong. Tell the people and yes there are ways of getting out the news then giving it to CNN, ABC and FOX to to scew it. There are ways to let the masses know and yet it seems they chose not to.
#69

bone_naga

Jan 12, 2010 16:44:41
Of course it was BS. Just like Bush wanted DHS to up the threat warnings around election time (because one of his perceived strengths was homeland security), anyone notice that the H1N1 hysteria really picked up speed before Obama started pushing health care reform?

Of course, no one seemed to notice that the same government that will deliver this new health care was apparently incapable of delivering even half the number of H1N1 vaccines that were promised.
#70

dirtyfrank

Jan 12, 2010 16:46:22
Yeah I noticed that. The up of the threat by obama came before the big surge for a healthcare bill to be passed.
#71

lhockee

Jan 12, 2010 16:52:35
I kept hoping to get infected with the Swine Flu, and then take a plane. I'd be a real-live Flying Pig. Also, H1N1 was over-hyped on every level imaginable, and the fact that the government(s) knew about just how dangerous a threat it really was(n't), isn't anything new. I don't know a single government that doesn't keep things to Itself if it thinks it'll move forward some goal or other.
#72

Escef

Jan 12, 2010 16:53:56
Of course the flu was hyped up... just like global warming... and you can clearly see who is behind it...


The thing with global warming is that all we can really say is that we're seeing weather patterns that are unusual in our experience. Global warming may be real, it may not. And if it is, we also can't point to a cause. We just don't have enough data.
#73

bone_naga

Jan 12, 2010 16:54:25
Cap'n...
 Weren't you smirking at me and a few others for not getting the flu shot

See? It didn't matter anyway

Of course the flu was hyped up... just like global warming... and you can clearly see who is behind it...


I wish I had had a say in the matter. I protested as much as I could against it (I protest against getting the seasonal flu shot too, I've got an immune system for a reason, let it do its work), but no dice. Unfortunately, I don't really get a say in the matter.

Oh, and to correct you, it is now global climate change. That way they're covered no matter what happens. People need to realize that the climate changes on its own, and change isn't always bad. If it weren't for climate change, we'd still be in an ice age.
#74

bone_naga

Jan 12, 2010 16:57:53
bone_naga, I think I'm falling in love with you!


It's only natural, just ask my wife.
#75

lhockee

Jan 12, 2010 17:07:30
#76

Cpt_Micha

Jan 13, 2010 10:47:45
Cap'n...
 Weren't you smirking at me and a few others for not getting the flu shot

See? It didn't matter anyway

Of course the flu was hyped up... just like global warming... and you can clearly see who is behind it...



I do believe I was yes.

I didn't get the shot either. *Last time I got one.. I got sick the following day. After that, my dad got one a couple years later and guess what... we all got sick... worst sick I ever was.*  mostly because I doubt the effectiveness of flu shots.

#77

lhockee

Jan 13, 2010 11:31:41
You know, come to think of it, I didn't get my flu shot either, and still didn't get sick. In fact, the majority of people I know who did get sick, were the one's who did take the Swine Shot. Odd?
#78

bone_naga

Jan 13, 2010 12:46:23
I do believe I was yes.

I didn't get the shot either. *Last time I got one.. I got sick the following day. After that, my dad got one a couple years later and guess what... we all got sick... worst sick I ever was.*  mostly because I doubt the effectiveness of flu shots.


Every year I get sick for the morning of one day out of that year. It has never made a difference whether I got the shot or not. One day I will wake up puking my guts out, and a few hours later I will be just fine.
#79

lhockee

Jan 13, 2010 12:54:29
Augh.

There's a bunch of oldies at the local library all bragging about how they got their Swine Shot, or complaining about having to wait, and how nice it is to get vaccinated. And then going on and on and on and on and on and on, and on some more, about how horrible and nasty the H1N1 is. Somebody roll me a 20 please... Auto-Crit, auto-crit!
#80

Klirshon

Jan 14, 2010 3:15:50
There is a reason you tend to get sick from taking a flu vaccination. It's a weak dosage of the flu itself mixed with other chemicals to help stimulate your immune system.
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(Though I'm sure most of you should have already knew that.)