Having trouble becoming a troll. Help!!

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#1

terronus

Apr 29, 2009 19:13:45
Any advice? Not just for me, but for any of the community members that want to go beyond just posting and become aggressive/potentially banned members?

Thanks in advance!

#2

pigknight

Apr 29, 2009 19:17:38
inb4lock
#3

Mad_Jack

Apr 29, 2009 19:24:43
Hang out in Astrid's Parlor and General Discussion and take notes on the locked threads.
#4

ciaran

Apr 29, 2009 22:42:42
Post BS that you know people will go after. Carrot on a stick kind of thing.
#5

dirtyfrank

Apr 30, 2009 1:05:33
Call people out. Accuse them of being dishonest.
#6

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 1:08:33
Act like me. Most people think I'm a troll.

I think I'm one, too.
#7

Reg06

Apr 30, 2009 1:56:29
Act like me. Most people think I'm a troll.

I think I'm one, too.

I don't think you actually know what a troll is (or you're lying about it. Probably both), considering how sad an attempt that was at being trolling. It's like when people try to roleplay, but instead they play 4e, that's how bad you trolled.







My tongue is somewhere in the vicinity of my cheek.
#8

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 2:00:32
I don't think you actually know what a troll is (or you're lying about it. Probably both), considering how sad an attempt that was at being trolling. It's like when people try to roleplay, but instead they play 4e, that's how bad you trolled.







My tongue is somewhere in the vicinity of my cheek.

A troll is a poster that says things specifically to spark an argument and get negative reactions. Also called Griefers in MMO's. I did not troll in this thread, but I have trolled in plenty others. Just ask KillerGM about what I said a few days ago.

Also, the bolded section is an EXCELLENT example of trolling. Thank you for giving this fine example for those who aspire to have green skin and weakness vs fire and acid.
#9

KillerGM

Apr 30, 2009 2:08:28
I thought that was just a failed joke, one which you apologized for. It has been my experience that trolls don't apologize.

I don't think of you as a troll.

I mean, I can if you want me to, but that would involve my ignoring you, and that might make playing in my PbP game difficult.
#10

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 2:11:25
I'm pretty sure that I've thrown that term around back when I was in Astrid's after one of the *ahem* YOU KNOWS accused me of torturing cats because of a immature joke I made, then refused to listen to my explanation, then called me a woman-hater. So I responded with the-word-that-shall-not-be-repeated. And then I ran for my life, and never looked back.

So when I said it then, it was intended to deliberately provoke and upset posters there.

So that was troll-ish. I think.
#11

KillerGM

Apr 30, 2009 2:13:37
I don't know to what/whom you're referring. But I don't really care.

*shrugs*
#12

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 2:16:36
It was like a half a week after I joined up on the forums. It was a while ago. I can't even remember the name of the poster. Zandilar? Zaardnar? Something with a 'Z'
#13

KillerGM

Apr 30, 2009 2:17:41
Like I said. *shrugs*
#14

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 2:21:27
It's also why I have a strong aversion to the Astrid's Parlor section. I realize that it (probably) won't happen again, BUT, I prefer not to play with fire if I don't have to. And I'm sure that there are plenty of other *cough* that will take offense at anything I say or do.
#15

KillerGM

Apr 30, 2009 2:22:09
You're an idiot.

EDIT: That was meant with all goodwill. I don't really think you're an idiot. Just young, I guess. There are people everywhere that will take offense at whatever you say. But if the discussion doesn't interest you enough to give it another shot, then that's fine. To be honest, bane, there are far more effective trolls there than you, and I doubt anyone remembers what you did.
#16

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 2:25:57
I never denied that. But, here's the thing. I pretty much type whatever the **** comes into my head, which is why most of the **** I say makes little to no sense, and at times offends people. And this is the OTT, where most people have thick skins. If I say the wrong thing in Astrids......

I peeked around in there a little bit, and it seemed like some of the posters would LOOK for something to take offense at.

I don't like dealing with people like that.

EDIT: And don't worry about calling me an idiot. Everyone is, in their own way.
#17

KillerGM

Apr 30, 2009 2:28:03
I disagree with the looking to be offended thing. There are lots of sensitive discussions, but that doesn't mean that people who feel strongly about something are looking to be offended.

I do think that some come in looking to offend (and create multiple accounts to do so) ... but I haven't seen that from you.
#18

dirtyfrank

Apr 30, 2009 2:31:35
I peeked around in there a little bit, and it seemed like some of the posters would LOOK for something to take offense at.

Those are usually the trolls and they aren't looking for something to be offended by but rather something that they can use as a spring bored for trolling that sounds somewhat legit. Trolls well behave as if they've been offended just to start up an emotional flame war with other posters.
#19

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 2:32:21
Eh, I don't like having to walk on eggshells in social situations. I just say what I think, the opinions of others be damned. BUT, I don't like having to deal with people *****ing about me.

Astrid's just seems a bit......how shall I put this? Like a delicate crystal. If you make the wrong sound, or the wrong move, everything comes crashing down around you. I remember seeing Jayne_Cobb really tear Pyromancer999 in there for making a similar mistake. That kind of gave me the signal that it was time to leave for good, before I had to listen to that noise.

And I DO have a puppet account, but everyone knows that it's me. I mean, c'mon. How many people around here go declaring themselves the bane of every frakking thing they see?
#20

KillerGM

Apr 30, 2009 2:34:25
*shrugs*
#21

dirtyfrank

Apr 30, 2009 2:35:09
I remember seeing Jayne_Cobb really tear Pyromancer999 in there for making a similar mistake.

Quite often J_B seemed to purposely attack people. Such behavior is against the CoC.
#22

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 2:38:42
Well, those are just the things that I can think of ATM. The main reason that I don't go in Astrid's is because I'd probably have to watch what I type. And I hate having to censor myself.

A lot of the other things, like seeing people flaming each other all the time didn't help either. I realize that that is the minority, but it's just the impression that's stuck in my mind.
#23

dirtyfrank

Apr 30, 2009 2:43:41
Well, those are just the things that I can think of ATM. The main reason that I don't go in Astrid's is because I'd probably have to watch what I type. And I hate having to censor myself.

Censoring ones self is just social common sense.
#24

baneofelves

Apr 30, 2009 2:47:34
Censoring ones self is just social common sense.

I do it all the time. I just don't like it. (there are some exceptions, but in most cases I dislike it) I prefer to be myself, instead of what others want me to be.
#25

awesome_dude

Apr 30, 2009 4:12:32
Re: OP

Say things like, "I believe **** is justifiable when committed in self-defense."
#26

cherubaddon

Apr 30, 2009 5:52:56
Re: OP

Say things like, "I believe **** is justifiable when committed in self-defense."

Hmm. That's not trolling, though - that's being politically contrary (meaning I will, or at least should, defend to the death your right to say it :teach.

When you troll, it has to be about something that's entirely personal and unverifiable - bashing games other people play without explanation is a good way of trolling ("4e is like a video game", "3.x is just an example of horrible game design", "V:tM suxxors", and the like; mind you: all of these are sustainable - with arguments. So don't provide any. Instead, put things out there like this, on their own, and accuse everyone attacking them of stupidity/pseudo-intellectualism (works very well)/bad taste, or anything else).
#27

awesome_dude

Apr 30, 2009 5:58:04
Hmm. That's not trolling, though - that's being politically contrary (meaning I will, or at least should, defend to the death your right to say it :teach.

I've used that exact phrase before and watched an entire forum blow up. It's a treasure I found back when I was 17.
#28

cherubaddon

Apr 30, 2009 6:23:16
I've used that exact phrase before and watched an entire forum blow up. It's a treasure I found back when I was 17.

Huh. Sounds like you were visiting the wrong forums :P .
#29

awesome_dude

Apr 30, 2009 6:31:02
Alternatively, it counts as trolling. People generally identify as anti-****. The phrase looks decidedly pro-**** even though it isn't. Which means that the dumbasses get angry. What you describe (bashing people) is flaming. Trolling is exactly being politically/ethically contrary. It's about people becoming outraged at your assertions, regardless of their validity.
#30

cherubaddon

Apr 30, 2009 6:35:06
Alternatively, it counts as trolling. People generally identify as anti-****. The phrase looks decidedly pro-**** even though it isn't. Which means that the dumbasses get angry. What you describe (bashing people) is flaming. Trolling is exactly being politically/ethically contrary. It's about people becoming outraged at your assertions, regardless of their validity.

You're right, seems I mixed up my lexic there. Thanks for the correction.
#31

s-marrow

Apr 30, 2009 6:36:44
Re: OP

Say things like, "I believe **** is justifiable when committed in self-defense."

...surprisingly, if you really think about it, is this comment even that politically contrary? It's just obviously silly, for one. I mean, unless there was someone in real life who tried to get away with their crimes like this.

Ah. Now you've done it. You made me do that thing where I think too much about stupid things. I can actually think of a few situations where you could potentially use **** in self defense. Curse you! Get out of my head!
#32

awesome_dude

Apr 30, 2009 6:41:42
...surprisingly, if you really think about it, is this comment even that politically contrary? It's just obviously silly, for one. I mean, unless there was someone in real life who tried to get away with their crimes like this.

Ah. Now you've done it. You made me do that thing where I think too much about stupid things. I can actually think of a few situations where you could potentially use **** in self defense. Curse you! Get out of my head!

Raping in self-defense is just about as impossible as things get. But hypothetically, if someone did it, they'd be okay in my book (I mean, we've seen people kill in self-defense, even painfully).
#33

s-marrow

Apr 30, 2009 7:16:03
Hypothetically, I could explain two or three situations where the aforementioned activity would be possible and defensible.

I could, but I'm actually quite fond of plausible deniability for all situations I am involved in.

But I guess we're getting away from the point of your statement. I have to say that I have found, in general, the people who fall for troll bait to be just as bad. They're really just trolls themselves who pander to public opinion, from where I'm standing.

I find it fascinating that people can't seem to realize how ridiculous they are sounding once they sink into anonymity. I'm afraid I'm going to have to attempt this method you have described for the sake of research. When the news reaches you that all reality show fan forums have succumbed to destruction, feel pride in your achievements.
#34

boj0

Apr 30, 2009 7:46:13
You disgust me
#35

awesome_dude

Apr 30, 2009 8:57:51
You disgust me

So do you. But this has nothing to do with your opinions as much as it does with your existing.
#36

1_ton_ghost

Apr 30, 2009 10:23:52

What the Hell are you doing?
#37

boj0

Apr 30, 2009 10:28:56
So do you. But this has nothing to do with your opinions as much as it does with your existing.

your feeble attempts to bait me are trivial at best

Remember kids, trolling is a art
#38

awesome_dude

Apr 30, 2009 10:42:38
Remember kids, trolling is a fart

Har har.
#39

stompie5

Apr 30, 2009 13:01:17
Any advice? Not just for me, but for any of the community members that want to go beyond just posting and become aggressive/potentially banned members?

Thanks in advance!


Say, "God hates DnD," and list several bogus reasons for your belief. Make sure you act like you really mean it too.
#40

cherubaddon

Apr 30, 2009 14:18:38
Say, "God hates DnD," and list several bogus reasons for your belief. Make sure you act like you really mean it too.

Nah, CoC violation = lock. Need to be more subtle - after all, you want other people to get banned.
#41

Alter_Boy

Apr 30, 2009 17:09:49
Don't follow the advice from this comic if you want to be a professional Troll: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/4/27/

(Warning: naughty language)
#42

KillerGM

Apr 30, 2009 17:14:06
"A period is a great way to end a sentence! Not a backslash! Don't ever use him! He's a psychopath!"

#43

terronus

Apr 30, 2009 18:36:34
This was a joke thread for my buddy who checks the forums a lot but doesn't post.

I figured the progression was lurker > poster > troll, so I made a satirical post. It was also a little bit of helping him know what sorts of things are taboo.

Strange, that even the word "troll" (self-referencing and used for lawls) gets some people upset. I think its only against CoC to call someone else one, although... could be wrong.

Great replies though
#44

zombie_babies

May 01, 2009 9:25:46
It's definitely against the CoC to call someone a Troll - 'specially if they are one (cuz thems the ones that'll report ya' for doin' it most often ;)). I've only been warned twice that I can recall here. One was for callin' a troll a troll. I did it creatively - sort of Family Feud-esque, but got no points for style. The second time was for a thread I made here. It was a harmless thing linking to a Youtube vid of a kid that was messed up after he went to the dentist (I'm sure everyone has seen it). I labeled it "Stoner Kid" in jest and that was enough to get the entire thread deleted and me warned. Lame-o.
#45

ellorin

May 01, 2009 17:33:56
So, you want to be a troll?

A good plastic surgeon, an exceptionally good dental technician and some green paint are essential(unless you're going for a skrag version). Can't help with the regeneration aspect-perhaps you should adopt a die-hard worldview?ever surrender etc. Not even after been hit with a mallet repeatedly.You should open yourself to flaming at all times-a troll is nothing if not flammable.
#46

awesome_dude

May 01, 2009 21:01:17
A common misconception is that internet trolls are weak to flames, which has led many a retard to attempting to **** it off by flaming it. Needless to say, all attempts resulted in the troll being fed and it entering an agitated state.
#47

orenthes

May 02, 2009 19:11:20
Check PigKnight's posts and then say sexist things on Astrid's.
#48

pigknight

May 02, 2009 20:19:21
Wait a second...


...Hey!