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| #1ShiftkittyMar 03, 2010 9:15:50 | They found 17 year old Chelsea King's body. If anyone here is a friend or relative, I am very sorry for your loss. It's my understanding that she was jogging alone when it happened. I am not trying to blame the victim. I am trying to understand what tells a person, let alone a young woman, that it's okay to go jogging alone? Unless I heard wrong, she was jogging in a fairly secluded area, which makes it an even worse idea.
I suppose it's sorrow that is making me want to understand why this terrible thing happened, and I'm a little angry that it was so easily avoidable with a few basic safety measures. "Never go alone" and "never go where nobody else can see you" were two things we were taught as kids. (On the visceral side, I want to see the SOB that did it slathered in chum and dropped into a tank full of great white sharks.) I know that someone who is hell-bent on doing you harm will do his best to get at you anyway, but surely you can better your odds of survival?
Are people so disconnected with reality that they truly believe that these things only happen to people on TV? Are they so sheltered that they feel that these things can't possibly happen in real life? You don't have to live in a perpetual state of extreme paranoia, but why do people seem to ignore simple steps to help keep them from becoming victims of a terrible crime?
My boss leaves his front door unlocked because someone in the house is always forgetting their keys. "Oh, it's a nice neighborhood. Besides, who'd want to steal my stuff?" He then complains about some rough types who have moved in a street away. "But they're on another street." (Seriously, this is what he said!) How do people fall into this mindset? |
| #2yellowdingoMar 03, 2010 10:27:00 | Perhaps you have a right to freedom from Terrorism, no matter who you are and where you live. I know a lot of Bad stuff happens even where I live but I have nothing but outrage for those who violate my fundamental right to freedom from my fellow humans.
Then again some people suffer from a Martyr personality. |
| #3scypioMar 03, 2010 10:27:27 | I think it depends on the area. (I don't know anything about the story or where it happened.) I wouldn't think twice about going for a jog alone around my neighborhood since it appears relatively safe. I also would not be concerned for my wife's safety if she decided to take a walk to another house in town (actually we walk around town a decent amount and her mother walks by herself around town).
But I would not do that in Newark or Camdem (cities with high murder rates). And its not just a city to suburbs split because I know one of my friends (female, college age) used to go jogging in Boston. I guess you just have to be aware of your surroundings.
And for the locking the doors. My wife and I are guilty of not always locking our doors. Typically when we walk the dogs, we'll leave the door unlocked. Its definately smarter to lock the doors since its an easy thing to do, but I guess the idea that "we won't be gone long" and "its safe" and "no one will come to our side door" gives a sense of security.
But when I used to live alone, I used to always lock my doors and windows. My wife's family is less secure so I'll blame it on her! =) |
| #4pluisjenMar 03, 2010 10:56:01 | Some people live in places where getting murdered isn't likely. They don't take lots of precautions because they aren't worth the effort due to the low risk.
Sometimes, bad stuff happens. Such is life. Even in the safest of places, someone might come up and kill you.
Sometimes, people move from a safe area to an unsafe area and they have the bad luck to see first hand how unsafe their new home is, before they have the time to adapt to the idea.
I might live in a big city now, but I still walk around alone at night. So does my girlfriend. We grew up like that, in our more secluded small towns, where such things were safe. Some people might call that stupid. Someday, we might get in trouble because of that. So be it. I'm not going to let my life be ruled by a bunch of ****s that can't behave properly.
Maybe in a few years, when I've run into trouble a few times, my attitude will change. Who knows. It's an adaption process. |
| #5The-Mage-KingMar 03, 2010 11:06:28 | Humanity is full of morons is why.
I'm glad of that, too.
Surviveal of the fittest, and all that. |
| #6boraxeMar 03, 2010 11:37:57 | Are people so disconnected with reality that they truly believe that these things only happen to people on TV? Are they so sheltered that they feel that these things can't possibly happen in real life? You don't have to live in a perpetual state of extreme paranoia, but why do people seem to ignore simple steps to help keep them from becoming victims of a terrible crime?
Quite the opposite. Most people, based on what they see in the media, believe that crime and violent crime are always a hair's breadth away, that evil and malicious predators lurk everywhere just laying in wait, that stranger danger is real.
Cases like the one cited above are actually exceedingly rare. Crime rates, including violent crime, peaked in the late 1980s and have been falling, not rising, steadily since. The number of attacks and murders by strangers is vanishingly small. One is several orders of magnitude more likely to be assaulted, raped or killed by someone they know. What has been on the rise steadily is media coverage of crime, particularly ratings-grabbing violent crime, creating the illusion that crime itself is on the increase when in fact the opposite is true. This is not to suggest one should not exercise a reasonable degree of caution, but there is no reason to live in fear. Knowing is half the battle.
The real issue here is not a girl who exercised her right to simply walk the streets of her home town, it is a ludicrously inept legal system that allows an unrepentant sexual predator to go free and walk those same streets.
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| #7boraxeMar 03, 2010 11:40:09 | Humanity is full of morons is why.
I'm glad of that, too.
Surviveal of the fittest, and all that.
What I find amusing is that people who say things like that always seem to count themselves among the fittest.
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| #8EscherEnigmaMar 03, 2010 11:42:14 | Some people would rather live happy and have a small risk then hide in their house afraid.
Also, it helps to put things in perspective.
Your lifetime chance of dying in a motor accident is about 1 in 90. Airplane crash? 1 in 5000. Of dying while walking across the street? 1 in 625. Drowning? 1 in 110. Fire? 1 in 110. (if you're a woman) Maternal death (in first world countries)? 1 in 2276 (in some third world countries it's closer to 1 in 16)
And your life-time chance of being murdered? 1 in 210. |
| #9The-Mage-KingMar 03, 2010 11:44:52 | Humanity is full of morons is why.
I'm glad of that, too.
Surviveal of the fittest, and all that.
What I find amusing is that people who say things like that always seem to count themselves among the fittest.
It's a simple fact of life that everyone thinks that they are among the fittest.
Pity they're wrong, and it's me who is. |
| #10ShiftkittyMar 03, 2010 12:06:46 | The real issue here is not a girl who exercised her right to simply walk the streets of her home town, it is a ludicrously inept legal system that allows an unrepentant sexual predator to go free and walk those same streets.
I agree. I was wondering this morning about what failed, and I think it's how we deal with sexual predators that ultimately has failed. Are there any stats on how many sexual predators are repeat offenders?
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| #11eratoMar 03, 2010 13:22:45 | Are people so disconnected with reality that they truly believe that these things only happen to people on TV? Are they so sheltered that they feel that these things can't possibly happen in real life? You don't have to live in a perpetual state of extreme paranoia, but why do people seem to ignore simple steps to help keep them from becoming victims of a terrible crime?
Quite the opposite. Most people, based on what they see in the media, believe that crime and violent crime are always a hair's breadth away, that evil and malicious predators lurk everywhere just laying in wait, that stranger danger is real.
Cases like the one cited above are actually exceedingly rare. Crime rates, including violent crime, peaked in the late 1980s and have been falling, not rising, steadily since. The number of attacks and murders by strangers is vanishingly small. One is several orders of magnitude more likely to be assaulted, raped or killed by someone they know. What has been on the rise steadily is media coverage of crime, particularly ratings-grabbing violent crime, creating the illusion that crime itself is on the increase when in fact the opposite is true. This is not to suggest one should not exercise a reasonable degree of caution, but there is no reason to live in fear. Knowing is half the battle.
The real issue here is not a girl who exercised her right to simply walk the streets of her home town, it is a ludicrously inept legal system that allows an unrepentant sexual predator to go free and walk those same streets.
QFT.
In many cases, it simply isn't worth it to be careful about something like that. It'll happen, one way or another, to someone who might be you, but it's a very small risk overall, compared to the risk of driving a car, eating unhealthy and avoid exercising, forgetting to extinguish a candle, swimming without a trained lifeguard nearby, and, especially if you're a woman, getting a divorce (or getting married in the first place).
While it might be relevant in some places, I'm more than a little annoyed over how women are constantly told to give up their freedom for safety. When people keep using the subway after a terrorist attack, they're praised for their bravery, and for not allowing their life to be controlled by fear, but when women want to move around freely, they're blamed for it instead. And ironically, I'm not even sure the chance of getting murdered that way as a woman is that much larger to begin with. |
| #12williamhm75Mar 03, 2010 13:23:04 | The real issue here is not a girl who exercised her right to simply walk the streets of her home town, it is a ludicrously inept legal system that allows an unrepentant sexual predator to go free and walk those same streets.
I agree. I was wondering this morning about what failed, and I think it's how we deal with sexual predators that ultimately has failed. Are there any stats on how many sexual predators are repeat offenders?
I dont have exact stats but from my psycology class, which was an intro class so take everything with a grain of salt we learned that there is no successful treatment for sexual predators as of yet. Some drugs that can inhibit urges but nothing definitive. Personally this is one area where U.S legal code needs to mirror the UCMJ **** should be a capital offense and punishable by death.
Most places are relativley safe jogging alone through a park should not be that dangerous in most places.
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| #13Cpt_MichaMar 03, 2010 13:34:00 | You should always lock your doors when you leave your house. (I know I do) Especially during tough economic times.
That being said the odds of you being assaulted etc are very low. I don't think twice about going somewhere alone on foot. I used to bike everywhere at one point.
I was more worried about being hit by a car than I was being assaulted.
When I go places, I just stay aware of my surroundings and my situation. There's no sense living your life in total fear, but you shouldn't be blind to your surroundings either. That is the single biggest ticket to surviving a situation is your Awareness level.
I hope the bastard is set on fire and left to burn that did this to the girl though. |
| #14ShiftkittyMar 03, 2010 14:10:59 | I do see a fair number of people who gleefully trot down the street with their iPods plugged in. Most are okay, but I see so many who are so tuned to their music or ebooks that they ignore other cues that could save their lives and sometimes go traipsing right out into traffic. (Bicyclists are particularly prone to this.) Is it their right to "tune out" while going about their lives? Absolutely. Is it wise? |
| #15dirtyfrankMar 05, 2010 2:05:57 | Here is my opinion on it. I think part of it is out of sight out of mind. If you're not used to crimes and such happening around you, or your daily life, then you're likely not going to take precautions. Why should you? If it's not happened the hundreds of times before in your life then why would one happen now? So it's now happening so there is no reason to fret about it.
The other part i think is just convenience. Such as in yeah you should maybe go for walks and jogs in busier places, with some kind of device for self defense and with another person, but doing all of those can sometimes be a pain. maybe you want open woodsy air for continuous walks rather than stop go busy street excesses. Maybe you don't feel like carrying around mace, tazer or a knife with you all the time or maybe such is just burdensome. Maybe your friends and family aren't able to jog with you when you'd prefer to go. So in a sense if ya wanna just get out or exercise then why not do it when it's convenient.
Thinking about this i now think about things i do that fit kinda in this boat. I'll sometimes go out for an hour walk in my neighborhood. I'll sometimes do this at night. I always go for a walk with music playing in my ears and often kinda loud. I almost never bring anything to protect myself with. I also always walk alone. Nothing has ever happened to me on these walks and so over time i've cared less about protecting myself on these walks. I also do know that there are gang members, and thus gang activities, in the neighborhood that i walk in. I do realize that something bad could happen to me (and really it would be all my fault for putting myself in the bad situation in a bad way) but having done these walks dozens upon dozens of time at all different times of the day i now no longer, without thinking, go on these walks thinking that nothing will. why should i take precautions? nothing has happened so far and i've done it probably a hundred or so times.
She was probably of the same sorta thing. It was likely her usual thingy ( i don't know cuz i not read the story) and so after a while she likely thought nothing of it.
Hmmm. i think situations like this are like meteors and their chances of hitting earth. The probability of a major one hitting earth in the future is 100%. The probability of one hitting tomorrow are practically nil. I think sorta the same here. The chances something really bad is going to happen to you in your life is likely near 100%. The chances it's going to be tomorrow or even fatal (or basically anything as bad) is practically 0%. So yes eventually things like this happen but when they are expected. we can worry about them every day or we can go on living our lives and hope (subconsciously) that they don't happen today.
Humanity is full of morons is why.
I'm glad of that, too.
Surviveal of the fittest, and all that.
What I find amusing is that people who say things like that always seem to count themselves among the fittest.
And fittest in this context just means that they've had children and their children have had children so as long as they're breeding, and breeding a lot, they wouldn't be far from the truth. ;)
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| #16lauraintheskyMar 06, 2010 15:32:43 | The 'it could never happen to me' philosophy seems almost hard-wired into our brains. There is a mental separation of us as individuals from others in the world. I've seen this a million times over with people abusing drugs and alcohol. We can have this false sense of control over our lives. People can also go to the other extreme and live in constant anxiety and states of helplessness. It is difficult to strike that balance of taking the proper precautions and understanding what you cannot control without paranoia decreasing one's quality of life. I often work with people who are the victims of violent crimes and what those crimes have taken away from them is absolutely heart-breaking. Regaining their lives back can be a lifetime struggle. There are many things in life which I cannot understand or make peace with. I just have to do my very best and try and do my part to help. At the end of the day, we should all play D&D as a vacation from reality =). |
| #17ViolenceJackMar 07, 2010 17:02:39 | Yeah, well. The thing to remember is that the victim here didn't make her murderer murder her. She did what any sane, rational, normal person should be able to do, and in fact many people do with no problems at all. She was unlucky and some murdering sack of **** did what murderers do. The murdering sack of **** is solely and completely responsible for this crime.
I'm not familiar with this particular story, but what Boraxe said is true... violent crime has gone down, and has been going down for a while. But news about scary things gets people scared, and gets them watching the news, and that gets ratings which mean advertising dollars. For news, fear=money. Which is why they have a vested interest in keeping us scared. This is actually why I think it's critical for any nation to have a national public news service that is not driven by profit.
For women, the far more likely assailant is somebody you know and trust. Fun thought, huh? Cases like this are the exception for women, not the norm. I heard it said (could be wrong, but I'm too lazy to look it up myself) that the number one cause of death in the US for pregnant women is murder. Pretty sickening if it's true. You can bet that it's not due to random stranger attacks. |
| #18MechaPilotMar 07, 2010 21:32:24 | And your life-time chance of being murdered? 1 in 210.
Don't forget that most people who are murdered (both male and female) are actually murdered by people they know. I forget the actual statistic, but I believe that it was almost 50% of murder victims are killed by lovers, ex-lovers, relatives, friends, coworkers, etc.
I haven't done the math, but think about it. If you're going to be murdered, 50% of that chance gets split up among all the people you don't know; and the other 50% gets split up among all the people you do know. If you know 10 people, that means each person you know has a 5% chance of murdering you; whereas each person you don't know has a chance of murdering you equal to 50% divided by 10 less than the population of the earth. Anyone got a calculator?
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| #19RPJesusMar 09, 2010 14:40:41 | Surviveal of the fittest, and all that.
And those who can roll criticals in a pinch .
But personally, I am rather paranoid, but I try not to worry too much about it mostly because I find it all the more reason to enjoy life to the fullest and all that (Granted this often entails sitting in my room with my cat and working on RPGs and Magic decks, but to each their own ). |
| #20boraxeMar 09, 2010 15:43:43 | And your life-time chance of being murdered? 1 in 210.
Actually it's much smaller than that. The lifetime odds of a US citizen being murdered are about 1 in 26,500 and the odds of being murdered by someone you know are about 6-7 times greater than being killed by a stranger.
Taking New York, a notoriously high-crime dense urban area, as an example. There were 523 murders in 2008. With a population of 8.3 million, the gives you a chance of about 1 in 16,000 of being murdered in New York and only about a 1 in 130,000 chance of being murdered by a stranger. By comparison, the odds of being killed in a car crash are 1 in 5,000 (26 times more likely).
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| #21pbnMar 09, 2010 15:49:39 | minor note: NYC doesn't deserve the notoriety (and hasn't for some time now). |
| #22EscherEnigmaMar 09, 2010 16:10:24 | And your life-time chance of being murdered? 1 in 210.
Actually it's much smaller than that. The lifetime odds of a US citizen being murdered are about 1 in 26,500 and the odds of being murdered by someone you know are about 6-7 times greater than being killed by a stranger.
Taking New York, a notoriously high-crime dense urban area, as an example. There were 523 murders in 2008. With a population of 8.3 million, the gives you a chance of about 1 in 16,000 of being murdered in New York and only about a 1 in 130,000 chance of being murdered by a stranger. By comparison, the odds of being killed in a car crash are 1 in 5,000 (26 times more likely).
I don't think we're calculating "lifetime chance to be murdered" the same way.
To be clear, I was using someone else's numbers earlier, but just went ahead and double checked 'em, and got roughly 1 in 230. But the method I'm using to calculate:
- Calculate odds of being murdered in a single year (I stuck to the last 9 years, calculated the odds as # of murders divided by popualation for that year, and averaged the result for the 9 years.)
- Retrieve lifetime expectancy number.
- Multiply odds of being murdered in a single year by years you're expected to live.
Using that method and the numbers you provided, that gives a lifetime chance of being murdered for a New Yorker at 1 in 204.
Not sure if this is the best method, but it seems reasonably sound.
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| #23EscefMar 09, 2010 16:42:11 | And your life-time chance of being murdered? 1 in 210.
Don't forget that most people who are murdered (both male and female) are actually murdered by people they know. I forget the actual statistic, but I believe that it was almost 50% of murder victims are killed by lovers, ex-lovers, relatives, friends, coworkers, etc.
I haven't done the math, but think about it. If you're going to be murdered, 50% of that chance gets split up among all the people you don't know; and the other 50% gets split up among all the people you do know. If you know 10 people, that means each person you know has a 5% chance of murdering you; whereas each person you don't know has a chance of murdering you equal to 50% divided by 10 less than the population of the earth. Anyone got a calculator?
Note that this assumes that you do get murdered.
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| #24ViolenceJackMar 09, 2010 17:14:46 | Note that this assumes that you do get murdered.
I always assume I'm going to get murdered. It's one of the reasons I'm still alive. |
| #25boraxeMar 10, 2010 8:28:33 | minor note: NYC doesn't deserve the notoriety (and hasn't for some time now).
I know it is not the murder capitol of the World, or even the US, I just picked it is a large urban centre, the numbers are readily available, and they're big enough to be a good sample size (and cos I was talking to a friend from NY earlier and so it was on my mind).
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| #26MechaPilotMar 10, 2010 15:15:36 | And your life-time chance of being murdered? 1 in 210.
Don't forget that most people who are murdered (both male and female) are actually murdered by people they know. I forget the actual statistic, but I believe that it was almost 50% of murder victims are killed by lovers, ex-lovers, relatives, friends, coworkers, etc.
I haven't done the math, but think about it. If you're going to be murdered, 50% of that chance gets split up among all the people you don't know; and the other 50% gets split up among all the people you do know. If you know 10 people, that means each person you know has a 5% chance of murdering you; whereas each person you don't know has a chance of murdering you equal to 50% divided by 10 less than the population of the earth. Anyone got a calculator?
Note that this assumes that you do get murdered.
I believe I covered that when I said: "If you're going to be murdered," (2nd sentance, 2nd paragraph).
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| #27EscefMar 10, 2010 16:43:32 | I believe I covered that when I said: "If you're going to be murdered," (2nd sentance, 2nd paragraph).
Overlooked that, mea culpa.
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| #28williamhm75Mar 10, 2010 16:59:50 | minor note: NYC doesn't deserve the notoriety (and hasn't for some time now).
I know it is not the murder capitol of the World, or even the US, I just picked it is a large urban centre, the numbers are readily available, and they're big enough to be a good sample size (and cos I was talking to a friend from NY earlier and so it was on my mind).
That would be Jacksonville FL I think. Not 100% sure on that. But the woman did nothing wrong. A person should be able to take a jog without being in fear of their lives.
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| #29toastedamphibianMar 10, 2010 17:36:10 | That would be Jacksonville FL I think. Not 100% sure on that. But the woman did nothing wrong. A person should be able to take a jog without being in fear of their lives.
Hehe. Sis' has been busy! |
| #30EscherEnigmaMar 10, 2010 17:40:09 | Uh, wow. If the numbers I found are accurate, the lifetime chance of being murdered for someone living in Jacksonville Florida is about 1 in 77.4. ... I hope I got wrong numbers for that.
Just went ahead and calculated it for New Mexico as well, and got 1 in 174. |
| #31ViolenceJackMar 10, 2010 18:50:06 | Something to keep in mind as well when calculating these things, is how many murders in each place are crime-related? Realized just now how stupid that sounds, because of course murder is a crime. But what I mean is, the motive of the murder ties in to criminal behaviour of the victim.
Like... when I lived in Osaka, Japanese organized crime is very strong there. All the foreign employees of my wife's employer lived in one of four or five apartment blocks. In one of these, somebody was stabbed to death in their home. Not a foreigner, but a Japanese guy. This was not a random crime, and the nature of it indicates that this was probably done by organized crime, probably in retaliation for something he did.
My point in this is, I would suspect that your chances of being murdered go way up if you get involved in shady business dealings. If you keep yourself away from the notice of the bad folks, your chances of being murdered go way down. Probably. It still could happen, but it's still not likely to be a stranger while you're out jogging. It's going to be somebody you know and trust. Yay?
So it's not worth living in constant fear of being murdered by a stranger. Go ahead and go jogging alone, it is safer than most people think. Just go out and live your life. Be aware of your surroundings of course (that's why I don't actually like portable music and never listen to music while walking or anything), but don't fear to do something because of the incredibly remote chance that something bad will happen. Odds are with you on this one. |
| #32EscherEnigmaMar 10, 2010 19:23:21 | Oh yeah, all sorts of mitigating factors. Ethnicity, sex, education level, income, occupation, constructive-paranoia level, so-on. But I don't have the breakdowns to support any of that (not even by sex or race), so I can't do any better then give rough numbers.
Also of note is that I'm using recent murder rates and using those to predict your life-time chance of being murdered as if that rate applied to all your years, and that I'm not discounting the years you've already managed to survive1, and so-on.
So yeah, all sorts of flaws. But a suitable rough estimate for judging relative risks, I hope.
In other news, Jacksonville Florida scares me.
Edit: Compton, CA is worse... ------- 1Relevant 'casue my method projects lifetime chance. But if you're interested in the chance of you being murdered. then you'd take the annual chance and multiple that by (77.7 - current age) to get the probabilitiy you'll be murdered. This notably becomes useless for people over 77.7, but that's why it's a rough way to estimate, and not a good way to cast your odds of being murdered in stone. |
| #33MechaPilotMar 10, 2010 21:12:05 | Last I heard, Newark NJ had the longest running streak as murder capital of the U.S. I'm not sure if it's accurate, but I'd be very surprised if the murder capital of the US wasn't either a city on the coast or a city in the south. |
| #34zombie_babiesMar 11, 2010 8:59:22 | I remember something about Camden being really bad, too. Don't know if it's a real memory or not, though. |
| #35Cpt_MichaMar 11, 2010 10:05:53 | I remember something about Camden being really bad, too. Don't know if it's a real memory or not, though.
I've heard that too alot over the years.
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| #36williamhm75Mar 11, 2010 10:09:25 |
Something to keep in mind as well when calculating these things, is how many murders in each place are crime-related? Realized just now how stupid that sounds, because of course murder is a crime. But what I mean is, the motive of the murder ties in to criminal behaviour of the victim.
Like... when I lived in Osaka, Japanese organized crime is very strong there. All the foreign employees of my wife's employer lived in one of four or five apartment blocks. In one of these, somebody was stabbed to death in their home. Not a foreigner, but a Japanese guy. This was not a random crime, and the nature of it indicates that this was probably done by organized crime, probably in retaliation for something he did.
My point in this is, I would suspect that your chances of being murdered go way up if you get involved in shady business dealings. If you keep yourself away from the notice of the bad folks, your chances of being murdered go way down. Probably. It still could happen, but it's still not likely to be a stranger while you're out jogging. It's going to be somebody you know and trust. Yay?
So it's not worth living in constant fear of being murdered by a stranger. Go ahead and go jogging alone, it is safer than most people think. Just go out and live your life. Be aware of your surroundings of course (that's why I don't actually like portable music and never listen to music while walking or anything), but don't fear to do something because of the incredibly remote chance that something bad will happen. Odds are with you on this one.
YUP When I was stationed in Japan most violent crime very rare, the occasional Yakusa related stabbing especially in Shinjuku or Hajiku not quite so rare. But then again if an innocent bystander got stabbed the police would come down like the hammer of god. Last year I was there they had a couple of shootings, and someone not involved in the yakusa got shot, and the police basically cleaned house due to all the media attention it recieved. Loved Japan I could walk along just about any street any time of night in fairly good saftey.
Parts of Jacksonville are okay I live in Lakeland FL and have an aunt and uncle in Jacksonville that I visit every now and then. Where they live its okay.
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| #37zombie_babiesMar 11, 2010 10:23:36 | Hmm. 2009 saw Camden as the most dangerous city - an honor that includes all sorts of violent crime. That means that the murder rate is probably all sorts of bad, but not necessarily the worst. Some places could very well kill more people than they **** and assault.
EDIT: In 2009, that specific honor (murder capital) went to Chigago. I hear they killed the messenger what brung it, though. |
| #38MechaPilotMar 11, 2010 13:38:01 | Hmm. 2009 saw Camden as the most dangerous city - an honor that includes all sorts of violent crime. That means that the murder rate is probably all sorts of bad, but not necessarily the worst. Some places could very well kill more people than they **** and assault.
EDIT: In 2009, that specific honor (murder capital) went to Chigago. I hear they killed the messenger what brung it, though.
That's been typical of chicago since the days of prohibition.
Fun Fact: The name Chicago is a mispronunciation of the native american word chicagoo; which means "bad smell".
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| #39pluisjenMar 12, 2010 3:39:28 | I grew up in the place in the Netherlands that held the highest number of murders per capita for a year.
They murdered one guy, and it was a really small village.
Don't buy everything statistics tell you lightly. You can prove anything with them. |
| #40erleniMar 12, 2010 6:58:33 | Some people would rather live happy and have a small risk then hide in their house afraid.
Also, it helps to put things in perspective.
Your lifetime chance of dying in a motor accident is about 1 in 90. Airplane crash? 1 in 5000. Of dying while walking across the street? 1 in 625. Drowning? 1 in 110. Fire? 1 in 110. (if you're a woman) Maternal death (in first world countries)? 1 in 2276 (in some third world countries it's closer to 1 in 16)
And your life-time chance of being murdered? 1 in 210.
The most terrible conclusion to many people is that the sum of all your chances to die converges to 1.
I live in an absolutely peaceful little town in the Italian Alps and people here think that violent crimes are something that happens elsewhere, but just a few days the owner of a shop I've been going to almost every saturday for years, killed one of his business buddies, beheaded him, and tried to burn his head in the pizza oven of a restaurant I went to just a few weeks before. It's amazing how reality can punch you in the face sometimes.
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| #41ViolenceJackMar 12, 2010 9:57:21 | The most terrible conclusion to many people is that the sum of all your chances to die converges to 1.
I live in an absolutely peaceful little town in the Italian Alps and people here think that violent crimes are something that happens elsewhere, but just a few days the owner of a shop I've been going to almost every saturday for years, killed one of his business buddies, beheaded him, and tried to burn his head in the pizza oven of a restaurant I went to just a few weeks before. It's amazing how reality can punch you in the face sometimes.
Dude, that's hard-core.
Out in a city near where I grew up, somebody did indeed burn a body in a pizza oven. Jokes were flying around that people were ordering pizzas with no finger or toenails, thanks (that's about all that was left, along with some teeth). |
| #42EscherEnigmaMar 12, 2010 11:43:36 | Don't buy everything statistics tell you lightly. You can prove anything with them.
And don't distrust everything baselessly either, you'll live a life of unwarranted and uninformed paranoia.
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| #43pluisjenMar 12, 2010 16:52:18 | Don't worry, I won't 
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| #44DoctorBadWolfMar 12, 2010 21:02:48 | Humanity is full of morons is why.
I'm glad of that, too.
Surviveal of the fittest, and all that.
What I find amusing is that people who say things like that always seem to count themselves among the fittest.
It's a simple fact of life that everyone thinks that they are among the fittest.
Pity they're wrong, and it's me who is.
Ignoring, for the moment, the last bit, life would be much funnier if the above were actually true. Unfortunately, at least for the sake of my entertainment, it isn't. I find that most people I encounter have no such delusion. There are certain social subgroups ("rednecks" for instance) who think that because of their life style, owning guns, knowing a "real" trade, etc, they qualify, but most people I know understand that if the Apocalypse came tomorrow, they'd be lucky to survive.
And yet, we go on. Because fear is second only to hope on the list of wasteful, dangerous emotions.
Then again, I'm of the opinion that we should be rebuilding the twin towers, exactly as they were, but taller and possibly a bit more extravagant, and that people should generally avoid letting fear make decisions about their life styles for them.
QFT.
In many cases, it simply isn't worth it to be careful about something like that. It'll happen, one way or another, to someone who might be you, but it's a very small risk overall, compared to the risk of driving a car, eating unhealthy and avoid exercising, forgetting to extinguish a candle, swimming without a trained lifeguard nearby, and, especially if you're a woman, getting a divorce (or getting married in the first place).
While it might be relevant in some places, I'm more than a little annoyed over how women are constantly told to give up their freedom for safety. When people keep using the subway after a terrorist attack, they're praised for their bravery, and for not allowing their life to be controlled by fear, but when women want to move around freely, they're blamed for it instead. And ironically, I'm not even sure the chance of getting murdered that way as a woman is that much larger to begin with.
This. One million, three hundred and seventy five times, this. :P
You should always lock your doors when you leave your house. (I know I do) Especially during tough economic times.
That being said the odds of you being assaulted etc are very low. I don't think twice about going somewhere alone on foot. I used to bike everywhere at one point.
I was more worried about being hit by a car than I was being assaulted.
When I go places, I just stay aware of my surroundings and my situation. There's no sense living your life in total fear, but you shouldn't be blind to your surroundings either. That is the single biggest ticket to surviving a situation is your Awareness level.
I hope the bastard is set on fire and left to burn that did this to the girl though.
I always lock my doors, but mostly that's because I don't live alone, so if my house get's broken into, it's not just my stuff. I don't really care about my stuff that much, losing it would just be an inconvenience, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be responsible for other people's stuff getting jacked.
I used to live in some pretty dangerous areas, yet I spent far more time walking about alone than with other people. I also didn't bother trying to hide my mp3 player, or my laptop bag when I had it on me. I just stayed aware of my surroundings, avoided carrying myself like potential prey, and made eye contact and gave some kind of acknowledgement to anyone I saw. I haven't been subjected to any kind of violence since I was in junior high and made a habit of pissing off members of certain "clicks" in school, because they annoyed me.
The two exceptions to the above involved roomates, one of which could quite easily have ended in my death. Things happen. Sometimes it's pure dumb bad luck, sometimes it comes close to inevitibility, and it generally sucks pretty hard, but constantly looking over your shoulder is no way to live.
Note that this assumes that you do get murdered.
I always assume I'm going to get murdered. It's one of the reasons I'm still alive.
princess bride paraphrase ftw?
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| #45pigknightMar 12, 2010 21:19:19 | Someone robbed a house rear my school, and the school went into lockdown. One of the teachers kept on teaching. Make of that how you will. |