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#1 owls_and_more_owls Dec 19, 2009 21:27:43	Avatar was pretty good.
#2 sfdragon Dec 20, 2009 0:29:08	kthnx
#3 owls_and_more_owls Dec 20, 2009 1:45:16	Just thought you should know.
#4 sfdragon Dec 20, 2009 2:53:37	kthnxbye
#5 The_Silversword Dec 20, 2009 4:36:35	I havnt seen it yet, but it looks like a pretty kick ass movie, with a message to it to boot.
#6 oxybe Dec 20, 2009 10:26:52	HEY GUYS!
#7 Rustmonster Dec 20, 2009 12:40:04	I would like to see it, but I'm not. I'm sick of left-wing Hollywood and would like to see the place burnt down... and I am no longer going to financially support Hollywood... actually, I will actively do all I can to fight against it. FIAGHT TEH POWAH!!!!!!11!!!!!
#8 idhriniel Dec 20, 2009 14:38:01	was that necessary, owls?
#9 EscherEnigma Dec 20, 2009 14:50:09	I'm sick of left-wing Hollywood and would like to see the place burnt down... That's a bit on the extreme side, isn't it?  I mean, not wanting to support something?  Fine, that's your own call.  But actively wishing harm on someone else just becuase you disagree with their ideology?  Isn't that crossing the line by a bit?
#10 owls_and_more_owls Dec 20, 2009 17:49:47	was that necessary, owls? Yes. Yes it was.
#11 owls_and_more_owls Dec 20, 2009 17:50:35	I would like to see it, but I'm not. I'm sick of left-wing Hollywood and would like to see the place burnt down... and I am no longer going to financially support Hollywood... actually, I will actively do all I can to fight against it. Actually... maybe YOU shouldn't see it. I don't think you'd like it.
#12 dirtyfrank Dec 20, 2009 17:53:50	I don't like blue people.
#13 teepeekay Dec 20, 2009 17:57:20	Dances With Smurfs...
#14 EscherEnigma Dec 20, 2009 19:22:21	I'm sick of left-wing Hollywood and would like to see the place burnt down... That's a bit on the extreme side, isn't it?  I mean, not wanting to support something?  Fine, that's your own call.  But actively wishing harm on someone else just becuase you disagree with their ideology?  Isn't that crossing the line by a bit? I just said I wanted it burned down. I said nothing of the people. Tell me, where would it leave you if your (new) place of business went up in flames?
#15 pluisjen Dec 21, 2009 6:20:43	I'm so going to see this somewhere this week
#16 EscherEnigma Dec 21, 2009 9:38:30	I'm sick of left-wing Hollywood and would like to see the place burnt down... That's a bit on the extreme side, isn't it?  I mean, not wanting to support something?  Fine, that's your own call.  But actively wishing harm on someone else just becuase you disagree with their ideology?  Isn't that crossing the line by a bit? I just said I wanted it burned down. I said nothing of the people. Tell me, where would it leave you if your (new) place of business went up in flames? Oh, I know where it would leave me, I just don't care where it will leave them. ... I shouldn't be surprised.  There's a saying 'bout this, after all.  "You can lead a horse to water..." Anyway. Point being: having your work burn down is harmful to a person.  Can leave them out of a job, could mean they lost a lot of important things, all sorts of things.  Very harmful.  Maybe not in the blunt-trauma sort of way, but it's quite silly to pretend that you can burn down a studio while leaving the people that worked there unaffected. So wishing to be able to watch a place burn?  You're wishing harm on people.
#17 boj0 Dec 21, 2009 9:44:47	Bring your comfy pants, this is a long movie
#18 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 10:13:05	And what's so good about capitalism?
#19 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 10:16:29	Maybe I am wishing harm on those people. But some people deserve to be harmed. And I am not above harming someone... So you are not above harming people for making movies you don't like? That is royally up, dude.
#20 darkspartan Dec 21, 2009 10:16:59	OK enigma... Have it your way. If by harm you mean taking away their jobs. Thats ok. They have more money than they will ever need, -snip- Really? How about the millions of people around the world who make their livings supporting those people? How about them? Single Mom with three children who works for minimum wage down the street at the coffee shop? The grocery store? They don't have all the money they will ever need, and they'll be just as affected. -Sarena
#21 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 10:17:19	And what's so good about capitalism? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
#22 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 10:18:23
#23 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 10:18:41	Really? How about the millions of people around the world who make their livings supporting those people? How about them? Single Mom with three children who works for minimum wage down the street at the coffee shop? The grocery store? They don't have all the money they will ever need, and they'll be just as affected. Don't bother. You can't reason with someone whose position is unreasonable.
#24 EscherEnigma Dec 21, 2009 10:19:17	Have it your way. If by harm you mean taking away their jobs. Thats ok. They have more money than they will ever need, but still tell you how bad Capitalism is... And you know what? Maybe I am wishing harm on those people. But some people deserve to be harmed. And I am not above harming someone... Do you really think the directors and the (high-earning) actors are the only ones that'll get hurt?  Nah, they're the ones that'll blink and say "oh well".  The people that really would be hurt would be the grips, the sound technicians, the secretary and the janitors.  All the people that do the work of making the movies but without the glamour. THAT's who would be hurt.
#25 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 10:19:41	I think he means more like people that think they know what's best for us despite never having done anything to understand what's best for anyone.  Like George Clooney.  Bet you didn't know Hollywood was responsible for attacking racism, fighting AIDS, etc.  They're better people than us. ;) It is, of course, our own damn fault.  You can't blame someone for acting like a god when they're worshipped and their every move has an impact upon the lives of their worshippers.  I'd play at god, too.
#26 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 10:21:52	At the speed that this is going we might as well move it to a chat...
#27 EscherEnigma Dec 21, 2009 10:21:58	I think he means more like people that think they know what's best for us despite never having done anything to understand what's best for anyone. Oh, I know what he means, but that's not who would be hit.
#28 EscherEnigma Dec 21, 2009 10:31:53	I think he means more like people that think they know what's best for us despite never having done anything to understand what's best for anyone. Oh, I know what he means, but that's not who would be hit. Collateral damage... When the "collateral damage" gets hit harder then the primary target, I think your weapon needs adjustment.
#29 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 10:52:35	We have played on my words long enough... Lets pick on someone else for a while... Why? You can defend your statement or admit you were wrong and retract it, but either way you should be prepared to take ownership of you position (particularly when it is one that advocates violence).
#30 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 11:00:45	I am not going to say I am wrong when I feel I am not. So you do not believe it is wrong to advocate domestic terrorism because people make entertainment you don't like? That is up. Take what I said for what it's worth and move on... I'm hoping it was simply hyperbolic bravado and your simply too embarrassed to admit it. Moving on…
#31 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 11:03:38	You really feel that when you disagree with someone's political views, the best course of action is to beat them up? That is royally up. I have an relative who's politics differ greatly from mine, but I still think he's a great guy.
#32 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 11:10:30	So "nothing", then. Moving on… Good for you! Bravo! 'Cept I realized that sounded pretty rude so I changed it. Well we're movin on up, To the east side. To a deluxe apartment in the sky…
#33 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 11:15:06	Collateral damage... How are you expecting this action film to fix things? You really think the governator can do it?
#34 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 11:17:33	You really feel that when you disagree with someone's political views, the best course of action is to beat them up?
#35 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 11:41:43	If you've never struck a friend or family member that differs from you politically, I humbly submit that you have no real friends or family.
#36 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 11:43:20	If you've never struck a friend or family member that differs from you politically, I humbly submit that you have no real friends or family.  If you have struck a friend or family member for differing from you politically, I humbly submit that you have no self control.
#37 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 11:46:03	But what's a black eye between pals?  Or a broken hip between grandmother and grandson (Who knew walkers could do that much damage?  Not this guy ...)?  If you can't share violence, you can't share anything.  Somebody famous said that once I think ...
#38 EscherEnigma Dec 21, 2009 11:48:03	Instead of burning down Hollywood, how 'bout I just beat the hell outta a few select individuals? Is that better? Meh, not really.  But if you're going to advocate horrible things, you should at least do it right.
#39 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 12:00:29	Not so much their views, but because of their actions... And not so much beat then up, just give them a good shaking... until the rocks stop rattling... What actions? Expressing their views? For a self proclaimed "patriot," you sure don't respect the first amendment.
#40 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 12:08:04	Outright lieing? I think that's a bit extreme. For example, you were talking about Avatar which apparently has a strong enviromental message. Do you really think that there isn't an enviromental crisis? Even Bush admitted that global warming existed.
#41 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 12:12:46	If by expressing you mean ramming them down our throats and outright lieing, then yes. In order to outright lie they'd first need to be smart enough to know that they're wrong. ;) Outright lieing? I think that's a bit extreme. For example, you were talking about Avatar which apparently has a strong enviromental message. Do you really think that there isn't an enviromental crisis? Even Bush admitted that global warming existed. HOAX!
#42 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 12:14:59	Ho boy...
#43 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 12:20:13	Do they lie?  I don't think so.  I honestly think that they honestly believe they know better cuz they've acted.  Ok, they think they know better cuz we (not me) worship them.  But they're really a bunch of idiots - most with less education that you.  In some cases (plenty), less than even me.  But that won't stop 'em from spoutin' off an' tellin' you what you're doing wrong and what they're doing right.  Just find that Clooney Oscar speech an' give it a listen.  Right after that, find that PSA Tom Cruise did for Scientology.  If you don't see what I'm sayin' after listening to that nonsense, maybe you should move to Hollywood ...
#44 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 12:56:56	Here's Clooney. Here's Cruise.  It's long.  And painful.  But I do think it shows that these people are out of their minds.
#45 darkspartan Dec 21, 2009 13:25:54	As far as lieing, you may be right in that they are simply ignorant and don't know they are lieing. And that Clooney clown needs a good shaking... Again with the violence. Okay, let me lay this out for you. The Truth is subjective. Fact is not. Fact may be manipulated into fiction, however. Fact: It is warmer in some places in the world now, than it was a hundred years ago. Fact: We emit more greenhouse gases than we did then. Corrolary: If both are Fact, they must be related. Fiction (based on just barely enough fact to make it not sound like utter ) Greenhouse gasses are THE cause of Global Warming. Statement 1: Those durned Corporations! They're killing the planet! I have to reduce my carbon footprint! Statement 2: That's a little flimsy on the evidence there, kids. Can we try that again from the top, and hold the bull, please? Wasn't there this Ice Age thing awhile back, then a warm, and cooling off? Statement 3: You're full of it. It's not going on at all. Hippies. Which is telling the Truth? 4) All of the Above. They all believe very firmly what they're saying, based on whatever facts they possess. That they are or are not ignoring/asking for other information is irrelevant. None of them are lying. Now, if you're claiming to be a Journalist and are known(or claiming) to be in possession of all the facts involved, then you're capable of lying writ large. Lying involves misrepresentation of the facts as you know them to be. Tom Cruise firmly believes that. Same for Clooney. Or anyone else, for that matter. -Sarena
#46 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 13:37:28	How dare Hollywood push their agenda and lie in a fictional movie about giant blue guys on an alien planet! They need to tell the truth like the Bush administration did about WMDs in Iraq!
#47 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 13:39:11	Didn't Iraq still have chemical weapons? Aren't those WMDs or our you guys just talkin about nukes?
#48 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 13:39:36	Exactly.  If you're gonna lie, make sure you get somethin' done with your lie.
#49 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 13:41:01	Exactly.  If you're gonna lie, make sure you get somethin' done with your lie.  Such as make bad movies that bring in lots of that green stuff?
#50 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 13:46:34	Such as make bad movies that bring in lots of that green stuff? Sure, that's somethin' I guess.  I was thinkin' more along the lines of kill the guy that tried to kill yer daddy, but what-evs.
#51 darkspartan Dec 21, 2009 13:49:09	Nothing wrong with making bad movies that bring in lots of green stuff. It's one of our very few remaining "growth" industries. -Sarena
#52 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 13:50:27	A growth industry that commonly outsources effects work and films off-continent.  Only a very few are experiencing any growth from this junk.
#53 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 13:50:45	Nothing wrong with making bad movies that bring in lots of green stuff. It's one of our very few remaining "growth" industries. Hehehe. Industries.
#54 darkspartan Dec 21, 2009 13:55:12	A growth industry that commonly outsources effects work and films off-continent.  Only a very few are experiencing any growth from this junk.  On the other paw, if I may, localization and export of American films bring in piles of money to go with it. In the end, it tends to balance out in our favor, or so I've heard. I'll see if I can dig up some stats on that here soon. I'm sure there are at least a few. -Sarena
#55 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 14:10:17	On the other paw, if I may, localization and export of American films bring in piles of money to go with it. In the end, it tends to balance out in our favor, or so I've heard. I'll see if I can dig up some stats on that here soon. I'm sure there are at least a few. -Sarena Hmm.  I can see that.  But this means that mostly the rich get richer.  Staff don't get a back end deal, after all.  I guess it keeps jobs goin' an' all that crap and the rich get richer is sort of how things go, though.
#56 idhriniel Dec 21, 2009 15:48:03	I've given up on keeping up with this thread. I didn't want to read through 50+ new posts. Sorry, guys.
#57 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 16:06:35	I've given up on keeping up with this thread. I didn't want to read through 50+ new posts. Sorry, guys. lazy americans.
#58 idhriniel Dec 21, 2009 16:12:52	I've given up on keeping up with this thread. I didn't want to read through 50+ new posts. Sorry, guys. lazy americans. lazy ass....assin. heehee.
#59 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 16:27:20	And thats just it. Movies aren't made to just entertain anymore... now they have to push an agenda. And since they are movies, they can use extremes to play on peoples emotions and only give one point of view while laughing opposing points of view away. Yeah, what ever happened to good old-fashioned wholesome aggenda-free American values movies like Birth of a Nation… I mean, look at that fruitcake Al Gore! Got caught lieing and can't even look at the cameras now. Err…wha? And who stands to gain the most money over this Global Warming fiasco? That's right. Al Gore. Err…wha?2
#60 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 16:52:40	Err…wha? That seems like the best response to just about everything on this thread.
#61 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 17:04:18	That seems like the best response to just about everything on this thread. Edging towards this…
#62 owls_and_more_owls Dec 21, 2009 17:05:58	I've given up on keeping up with this thread. I didn't want to read through 50+ new posts. Sorry, guys. Pft. You didn't miss anything. Nothing but political wankery for the past page.
#63 ORC_Chaos Dec 21, 2009 17:52:59	I've removed content from this thread because Flaming is a violation of the Code of Conduct.  You can review the Code of Conduct here. Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
#64 ADHadh Dec 22, 2009 5:31:21	(I didn't read the thread.) Am I the only one who think the Nac Mac Aliens from this movie are creepy as hell? I'm not going to see this movie because of them. Oh, and the clearly not particularly imaginative plot*. *I know that all popular plots have been done long ago, but this one looks particularly bad.
#65 Cpt_Micha Dec 22, 2009 7:56:02	ZB... Tom Cruise has really gone off into Nutter land. Seriously..... At least Clowny can make fun of himself.
#66 boraxe Dec 22, 2009 8:15:42	(I didn't read the thread.) Am I the only one who think the Nac Mac Aliens from this movie are creepy as hell? I'm not going to see this movie because of them. Oh, and the clearly not particularly imaginative plot. Crivens!
#67 zombie_babies Dec 22, 2009 8:26:07	ZB... Tom Cruise has really gone off into Nutter land. Seriously..... At least Clowny can make fun of himself. They're both d-bags, but yes, Cruise is worse.  He's also a nozzle.
#68 dirtyfrank Dec 22, 2009 9:53:01	(I didn't read the thread.) Am I the only one who think the Nac Mac Aliens from this movie are creepy as hell? I'm not going to see this movie because of them. Oh, and the clearly not particularly imaginative plot*. *I know that all popular plots have been done long ago, but this one looks particularly bad. You hate blue people or something? I think the whole white man killing the natives theme has been overplayed quite a bit. And it only really seems a fitting scene in a western movie and stuff.
#69 EscherEnigma Dec 22, 2009 10:59:55	I think the whole white man killing the natives theme has been overplayed quite a bit. Wha?  Isn't this supposed to be future military?  And it's mostly white?  Well that's a bit... odd...  you'd think they'd move onto the "humans killing the natives" and not really worrying about the ethnicity of the humans, ya know?
#70 dirtyfrank Dec 22, 2009 11:02:36	I think the whole white man killing the natives theme has been overplayed quite a bit. Wha?  Isn't this supposed to be future military?  And it's mostly white?  Well that's a bit... odd...  you'd think they'd move onto the "humans killing the natives" and not really worrying about the ethnicity of the humans, ya know? I think it just so happens that the majority of people in most movies are white. I think it is more about people raping the planet because we're all a bunch of greedy planet destroying, global warming causing, money grubbing creatures.
#71 EscherEnigma Dec 22, 2009 11:32:05	Yeah EE...I smell what you're cookin'... *looks at desk* but my breakfast is a can of Dr. Pepper and a frozen burrito when I get to work.  I'm not cookin' anything. More seriously, I'm honestly surprised if the cast was all white.  I mean, I know Hollywood isn't as racially-concious as it should be, but if they're really trying for a "mankind the destroyer" and "noble savage" metaphor, you'd think they'd avoid making it specifically the "great white devil" and make it a more egalatarian mix, ya know?  So as to avoid people getting the wrong message? I mean really... if you're actually trying to send a message, and not just making another action flick based off a rehashed sci-fi plot that I could probably find in a Heinlein book, you'd think they'd try to be a bit more aware of the message they're sending.  For that matter, are there any women in the military group?  I think (from the trailers) there's at least one doctor who's a woman, but if she's the only human woman in the movie (and I'm betting she's a bit more of a sympathetic character then the other soldiers) with all the other women being the natives (who apparently the main character wants to bang) then they're also sending a bit of a message of man as destroyer, woman as protector. I mean, pack too many messages into one thing, and it gets bogged down with 'em, ya know?
#72 zombie_babies Dec 22, 2009 11:36:04	But Clooney sez Hollywood is more racially sensitive than the rest of us ... I ... I don't know what to think anymore.
#73 dirtyfrank Dec 22, 2009 11:38:21	More seriously, I'm honestly surprised if the cast was all white.  I mean, I know Hollywood isn't as racially-concious as it should be, but if they're really trying for a "mankind the destroyer" and "noble savage" metaphor, you'd think they'd avoid making it specifically the "great white devil" and make it a more egalatarian mix, ya know?  So as to avoid people getting the wrong message? I haven't seen the movie. only the trailer. it did look like though that most of the cast was caucasion. and sigourney weaver playes that lass in the trailer.
#74 zombie_babies Dec 22, 2009 11:49:38	That's ok Z_B... I have duct tape wrapped around my head most of the time... to keep my head from exploding Just don't believe the hype! I've decided to believe Clooney.  It's not so baaaaaa ... ahem ... it isn't as baaaaaaaa ... um ... it's easier this way.
#75 boraxe Dec 22, 2009 11:53:15	Well the "mostly white guys" thing may have an explanation beyond "Hollywood is racist". It could simply be that when they put out the casting call that "mostly white guys" showed up. It could also have been a conscious decision on the part of the filmmakers to suggest that the human race as portrayed in the film isn't particulalry egalitarian or enlightened, whihc would tie in with the overall themes.
#76 ADHadh Dec 22, 2009 12:31:44	(I didn't read the thread.) Am I the only one who think the Nac Mac Aliens from this movie are creepy as hell? I'm not going to see this movie because of them. Oh, and the clearly not particularly imaginative plot*. *I know that all popular plots have been done long ago, but this one looks particularly bad. You hate blue people or something? I think the whole white man killing the natives theme has been overplayed quite a bit. And it only really seems a fitting scene in a western movie and stuff. I would probably find them creepy regardles of colour. And a bonus: Show
#77 pluisjen Dec 28, 2009 16:47:56	I think that "" pretty much sums up what I think about this movie. It's totally awesome
#82 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 12:14:59	Ho boy...
#83 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 12:20:13	Do they lie?  I don't think so.  I honestly think that they honestly believe they know better cuz they've acted.  Ok, they think they know better cuz we (not me) worship them.  But they're really a bunch of idiots - most with less education that you.  In some cases (plenty), less than even me.  But that won't stop 'em from spoutin' off an' tellin' you what you're doing wrong and what they're doing right.  Just find that Clooney Oscar speech an' give it a listen.  Right after that, find that PSA Tom Cruise did for Scientology.  If you don't see what I'm sayin' after listening to that nonsense, maybe you should move to Hollywood ...
#84 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 12:56:56	Here's Clooney. Here's Cruise.  It's long.  And painful.  But I do think it shows that these people are out of their minds.
#85 darkspartan Dec 21, 2009 13:25:54	As far as lieing, you may be right in that they are simply ignorant and don't know they are lieing. And that Clooney clown needs a good shaking... Again with the violence. Okay, let me lay this out for you. The Truth is subjective. Fact is not. Fact may be manipulated into fiction, however. Fact: It is warmer in some places in the world now, than it was a hundred years ago. Fact: We emit more greenhouse gases than we did then. Corrolary: If both are Fact, they must be related. Fiction (based on just barely enough fact to make it not sound like utter ) Greenhouse gasses are THE cause of Global Warming. Statement 1: Those durned Corporations! They're killing the planet! I have to reduce my carbon footprint! Statement 2: That's a little flimsy on the evidence there, kids. Can we try that again from the top, and hold the bull, please? Wasn't there this Ice Age thing awhile back, then a warm, and cooling off? Statement 3: You're full of it. It's not going on at all. Hippies. Which is telling the Truth? 4) All of the Above. They all believe very firmly what they're saying, based on whatever facts they possess. That they are or are not ignoring/asking for other information is irrelevant. None of them are lying. Now, if you're claiming to be a Journalist and are known(or claiming) to be in possession of all the facts involved, then you're capable of lying writ large. Lying involves misrepresentation of the facts as you know them to be. Tom Cruise firmly believes that. Same for Clooney. Or anyone else, for that matter. -Sarena
#86 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 13:37:28	How dare Hollywood push their agenda and lie in a fictional movie about giant blue guys on an alien planet! They need to tell the truth like the Bush administration did about WMDs in Iraq!
#87 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 13:39:11	Didn't Iraq still have chemical weapons? Aren't those WMDs or our you guys just talkin about nukes?
#88 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 13:39:36	Exactly.  If you're gonna lie, make sure you get somethin' done with your lie.
#89 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 13:41:01	Exactly.  If you're gonna lie, make sure you get somethin' done with your lie.  Such as make bad movies that bring in lots of that green stuff?
#90 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 13:46:34	Such as make bad movies that bring in lots of that green stuff? Sure, that's somethin' I guess.  I was thinkin' more along the lines of kill the guy that tried to kill yer daddy, but what-evs.
#91 darkspartan Dec 21, 2009 13:49:09	Nothing wrong with making bad movies that bring in lots of green stuff. It's one of our very few remaining "growth" industries. -Sarena
#92 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 13:50:27	A growth industry that commonly outsources effects work and films off-continent.  Only a very few are experiencing any growth from this junk.
#93 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 13:50:45	Nothing wrong with making bad movies that bring in lots of green stuff. It's one of our very few remaining "growth" industries. Hehehe. Industries.
#94 darkspartan Dec 21, 2009 13:55:12	A growth industry that commonly outsources effects work and films off-continent.  Only a very few are experiencing any growth from this junk.  On the other paw, if I may, localization and export of American films bring in piles of money to go with it. In the end, it tends to balance out in our favor, or so I've heard. I'll see if I can dig up some stats on that here soon. I'm sure there are at least a few. -Sarena
#95 zombie_babies Dec 21, 2009 14:10:17	On the other paw, if I may, localization and export of American films bring in piles of money to go with it. In the end, it tends to balance out in our favor, or so I've heard. I'll see if I can dig up some stats on that here soon. I'm sure there are at least a few. -Sarena Hmm.  I can see that.  But this means that mostly the rich get richer.  Staff don't get a back end deal, after all.  I guess it keeps jobs goin' an' all that crap and the rich get richer is sort of how things go, though.
#96 idhriniel Dec 21, 2009 15:48:03	I've given up on keeping up with this thread. I didn't want to read through 50+ new posts. Sorry, guys.
#97 dirtyfrank Dec 21, 2009 16:06:35	I've given up on keeping up with this thread. I didn't want to read through 50+ new posts. Sorry, guys. lazy americans.
#98 idhriniel Dec 21, 2009 16:12:52	I've given up on keeping up with this thread. I didn't want to read through 50+ new posts. Sorry, guys. lazy americans. lazy ass....assin. heehee.
#99 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 16:27:20	And thats just it. Movies aren't made to just entertain anymore... now they have to push an agenda. And since they are movies, they can use extremes to play on peoples emotions and only give one point of view while laughing opposing points of view away. Yeah, what ever happened to good old-fashioned wholesome aggenda-free American values movies like Birth of a Nation… I mean, look at that fruitcake Al Gore! Got caught lieing and can't even look at the cameras now. Err…wha? And who stands to gain the most money over this Global Warming fiasco? That's right. Al Gore. Err…wha?2
#100 aboleth11 Dec 21, 2009 16:52:40	Err…wha? That seems like the best response to just about everything on this thread.
#101 boraxe Dec 21, 2009 17:04:18	That seems like the best response to just about everything on this thread. Edging towards this…
#102 owls_and_more_owls Dec 21, 2009 17:05:58	I've given up on keeping up with this thread. I didn't want to read through 50+ new posts. Sorry, guys. Pft. You didn't miss anything. Nothing but political wankery for the past page.
#103 ORC_Chaos Dec 21, 2009 17:52:59	I've removed content from this thread because Flaming is a violation of the Code of Conduct.  You can review the Code of Conduct here. Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
#104 ADHadh Dec 22, 2009 5:31:21	(I didn't read the thread.) Am I the only one who think the Nac Mac Aliens from this movie are creepy as hell? I'm not going to see this movie because of them. Oh, and the clearly not particularly imaginative plot*. *I know that all popular plots have been done long ago, but this one looks particularly bad.
#105 Cpt_Micha Dec 22, 2009 7:56:02	ZB... Tom Cruise has really gone off into Nutter land. Seriously..... At least Clowny can make fun of himself.
#106 boraxe Dec 22, 2009 8:15:42	(I didn't read the thread.) Am I the only one who think the Nac Mac Aliens from this movie are creepy as hell? I'm not going to see this movie because of them. Oh, and the clearly not particularly imaginative plot. Crivens!
#107 zombie_babies Dec 22, 2009 8:26:07	ZB... Tom Cruise has really gone off into Nutter land. Seriously..... At least Clowny can make fun of himself. They're both d-bags, but yes, Cruise is worse.  He's also a nozzle.
#108 dirtyfrank Dec 22, 2009 9:53:01	(I didn't read the thread.) Am I the only one who think the Nac Mac Aliens from this movie are creepy as hell? I'm not going to see this movie because of them. Oh, and the clearly not particularly imaginative plot*. *I know that all popular plots have been done long ago, but this one looks particularly bad. You hate blue people or something? I think the whole white man killing the natives theme has been overplayed quite a bit. And it only really seems a fitting scene in a western movie and stuff.
#109 EscherEnigma Dec 22, 2009 10:59:55	I think the whole white man killing the natives theme has been overplayed quite a bit. Wha?  Isn't this supposed to be future military?  And it's mostly white?  Well that's a bit... odd...  you'd think they'd move onto the "humans killing the natives" and not really worrying about the ethnicity of the humans, ya know?
#110 dirtyfrank Dec 22, 2009 11:02:36	I think the whole white man killing the natives theme has been overplayed quite a bit. Wha?  Isn't this supposed to be future military?  And it's mostly white?  Well that's a bit... odd...  you'd think they'd move onto the "humans killing the natives" and not really worrying about the ethnicity of the humans, ya know? I think it just so happens that the majority of people in most movies are white. I think it is more about people raping the planet because we're all a bunch of greedy planet destroying, global warming causing, money grubbing creatures.
#111 EscherEnigma Dec 22, 2009 11:32:05	Yeah EE...I smell what you're cookin'... *looks at desk* but my breakfast is a can of Dr. Pepper and a frozen burrito when I get to work.  I'm not cookin' anything. More seriously, I'm honestly surprised if the cast was all white.  I mean, I know Hollywood isn't as racially-concious as it should be, but if they're really trying for a "mankind the destroyer" and "noble savage" metaphor, you'd think they'd avoid making it specifically the "great white devil" and make it a more egalatarian mix, ya know?  So as to avoid people getting the wrong message? I mean really... if you're actually trying to send a message, and not just making another action flick based off a rehashed sci-fi plot that I could probably find in a Heinlein book, you'd think they'd try to be a bit more aware of the message they're sending.  For that matter, are there any women in the military group?  I think (from the trailers) there's at least one doctor who's a woman, but if she's the only human woman in the movie (and I'm betting she's a bit more of a sympathetic character then the other soldiers) with all the other women being the natives (who apparently the main character wants to bang) then they're also sending a bit of a message of man as destroyer, woman as protector. I mean, pack too many messages into one thing, and it gets bogged down with 'em, ya know?
#112 zombie_babies Dec 22, 2009 11:36:04	But Clooney sez Hollywood is more racially sensitive than the rest of us ... I ... I don't know what to think anymore.
#113 dirtyfrank Dec 22, 2009 11:38:21	More seriously, I'm honestly surprised if the cast was all white.  I mean, I know Hollywood isn't as racially-concious as it should be, but if they're really trying for a "mankind the destroyer" and "noble savage" metaphor, you'd think they'd avoid making it specifically the "great white devil" and make it a more egalatarian mix, ya know?  So as to avoid people getting the wrong message? I haven't seen the movie. only the trailer. it did look like though that most of the cast was caucasion. and sigourney weaver playes that lass in the trailer.
#114 zombie_babies Dec 22, 2009 11:49:38	That's ok Z_B... I have duct tape wrapped around my head most of the time... to keep my head from exploding Just don't believe the hype! I've decided to believe Clooney.  It's not so baaaaaa ... ahem ... it isn't as baaaaaaaa ... um ... it's easier this way.
#115 boraxe Dec 22, 2009 11:53:15	Well the "mostly white guys" thing may have an explanation beyond "Hollywood is racist". It could simply be that when they put out the casting call that "mostly white guys" showed up. It could also have been a conscious decision on the part of the filmmakers to suggest that the human race as portrayed in the film isn't particulalry egalitarian or enlightened, whihc would tie in with the overall themes.
#116 ADHadh Dec 22, 2009 12:31:44	(I didn't read the thread.) Am I the only one who think the Nac Mac Aliens from this movie are creepy as hell? I'm not going to see this movie because of them. Oh, and the clearly not particularly imaginative plot*. *I know that all popular plots have been done long ago, but this one looks particularly bad. You hate blue people or something? I think the whole white man killing the natives theme has been overplayed quite a bit. And it only really seems a fitting scene in a western movie and stuff. I would probably find them creepy regardles of colour. And a bonus: Show
#117 pluisjen Dec 28, 2009 16:47:56	I think that "" pretty much sums up what I think about this movie. It's totally awesome