Every single person that tried the dirty trick of only supporting and voting for a bill only becausethey thought would fail and wanted it on their record that then changing their postion when they thought it would actually pass should be kicked out of office.
Pretty funny but not cool, not cool at all. The Democrats sat on their hands and basically played chicken with Social Security.
Well this is basically the GoP saying that they know their budgets are bad.
I view it as they are actual Big Government Republicans pretending to be limited government Republicans to get votes.
My understanding of the article is that the Democrats voted present and were going to let the Republicans vote the bill in. It wasn't exactly people voting for it but no one voted against it. It would have been the Republicans' baby. When they realized that, they quickly changed their votes.
Pretty funny but not cool, not cool at all. The Democrats sat on their hands and basically played chicken with Social Security.
Actuall, it wouldn't have been law, it would have been voted to be used instead of Paul Ryans budget plan. It would have been an insult to Ryan, and it demonstrated that republicans aren't creating budgets that they actually believe in. That's why the republicans scrambled to vote down their own budget.
I insulted the Democrats for lacking any kind of backbone.
Either they've got it in spades, or they're incredibly stupid.
You know what?
I insulted the Democrats for lacking any kind of backbone.
Either they've got it in spades, or they're incredibly stupid.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Not only were they playing chicken but its a potentially brilliant move politically speaking. Once the country came crashing down around everyone, (as the government couldn't get any revenue worth speaking of to even maintain infrastructure) and millions of Americans suddenly lost any retirement or medical benefits they were going to have, everyone would be asking "who do we have to blame for passing this :Censored: " and the blue ties could just look over at the red ties smile and say "your party is done, forever".
What is stupid is how they sit there and try to destroy each other at the expense of the American people.
And yet, the Reps caught it just in time, and now the public is sitting back asking, "Why didn't the Dems do something about it?"
What is stupid is how they sit there and try to destroy each other at the expense of the American people.
Yes, but the point is that the republicans should never have brought it up if they didn't actually want it. They were trying to make it seem as if they were actually trying to reduce the deficit. The republicans were betting that the democrats would have voted it down and then the republicans could have claimed that they tried, but because of the Democrats voting no, they were not able to pass a balanced. Instead, the republiccans had to scramble to defeat their own bill. Yes, they managed to stop it just in time, but you have to admit that the republicans never should have even brought it up for a vote if they didn't want it to pass.
Also, it should be noted that this was a vote to replace Paul Ryan's budget proposal with the Republican Study Committee's budget alternative.
The republicans wanted to play politics, and this time the Democrats beat them. These republicans don't care about reducing the national debt. they don't care about the people. They don't care about the country. What they care about is keeping their political offices. I'm not saying every single republican is playing politics, but this was just a political move. there are republicans that actually believe what they are doing, and there policies will help improve the country. I can respect that. I don't agree with them, but at least I can respect that they are trying to improve the country. This BS though, is just disgusting. I have no respect for these idiots who play games in order to stay in office. Peole A-holes like this should be recalled.
Perhaps I don't understand the legislative minutia that well, but why couldn't the GOP pass the bill. It would obviously be blocked in the Senate / President, right?
That is exactly what republicans were hoping for. This was a vote to replace Paul Ryan's budget plan with one that had even more cuts to more programs, and it had even more ridiculous tax cuts for the rich. If it had passed, Paul Ryan's budget plan would have been dead. Only 15 democrat voted no, with te rest of the democrats voting present. Republicans could have passed this with a ridiculously huge margin. Instead they were shown to be playing politics. They didn't believe in the alternative budget plan. This was not defeated or stopped by democrats who want to spend more. It was defeated by republicans who want to make people believe that they are serious about cutting the national debt.
Also, it should be noted that this was a vote to replace Paul Ryan's butget proposal with the Republican Study Committee's budget alternative.
Tee hee!
Don't forget that voting 'present' is now a proven path to the White House. The Dems may have simply been laying an Obama style groundwork for a future run.
I'm unfamiliar with the term, but I'm assuming is the same thing as what we call a blank vote.
I've been tempted before, but there's usually a few fringe parties that I can get behind at least mostly
At it's best it's a move to show you were at least present. At worst, it's a way to show that you're unsure how voting will affect your career in terms of yes or no.
Or in this case, "I'm here, and I'm just watching as a party almost self destructs itself in the process".
Also, it should be noted that this was a vote to replace Paul Ryan's butget proposal with the Republican Study Committee's budget alternative.
Tee hee!
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Don't forget that voting 'present' is now a proven path to the White House. The Dems may have simply been laying an Obama style groundwork for a future run.
Yeah, that was one of my problems with Obama when he first ran. However, my problems with McCain far outweighed my problems with Obama. Unfortunately, politicians from both sides use it. I think it should be gotten rid of. If you run for elected office, you should do something while in office. But if it is ever brought up for debate, I'm sure getting rid of the ability to vote present will be shot down unanimously by every republican and democrat.
Yeah, getting rid of the option would be nice but it'll never happen. Too damned useful for gamesmanship.
If it is ever brought up for a vote, I am willing to bet that we would see every damn republican and democrat join hands and stater singing "We are the world," in a show of unity and support for keeping it.