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#1
Shiftkitty
Feb 10, 2009 15:16:08 I think this bunch here will be better suited to this question than my history group.

Do you think the availability of online music as singles affects the sales of CDs at brick-and-mortar music stores?

Do you think it affects a band's efforts if they know people are probably only going to buy the songs they heard on the radio? Will they try as hard to put out a good album versus just a couple of good songs?

And a debate my husband and I have periodically...

Do you think any bands today could fill a stadium? I mean total and absolute sell-out, SRO, Led Zepplin-style stadium SRO?
#2
shinikama
Feb 10, 2009 15:22:57 Bands still sell out. Cricket Pavillion in Phoenix can hold LOTS of people, as seen at the Family Values Tour a few years ago. Holy Crap, that packed. Wasn't a single group, though.
Haven't been to and single-band concerts lately enough to say.

Single sales DO affect CD sales, though. I think I read an article somewhere... *goes to dig up*
#3
dirtyfrank
Feb 10, 2009 15:24:03 I've only bought my music from the store and not online. I probably will continue to do so. It doesn't bother me to do so because many of the bands may only have 2 or 3 bad songs on the album at most. If I'm not going to be buying many bad songs then I might as well buy the CD.

I don't know if being able to buy online singles will cut down on CD sales buy much because there are people that do like to buy CDs so that they can say they have it. "You've got the song, well I have the CD it's on."

I think some bands wont really care as long as they make money, but I'm sure some will try and produce albums of straight hits.

There are bands that can fill a stadium. I would personally say that they are more or less the older bands that already have tons of songs and a huge fan fanatical fan base. One that comes to mind is Metallica.
#4
lobo_grimm_dup
Feb 10, 2009 15:35:30 I think Eminem's relapse and Dr. Dre's detox will sell a lot in stadiums. I think chinese democracy did the same.
#5
annoyinglizardvoice
Feb 10, 2009 16:08:36 I much prefer to buy CDs. I tend to only listen to music when I'm in a fixed place rather than on the move, so there's no big advantage of an ipod for me. I also much prefer brousing in a shop than on line, it just feels much more comfortable to do it that way (as long as the shop's not full of kids/chavs/able bodied people who move very slowly). I do tend to only buy albums though.
I see bands I like live when I get the chance and cash. Wether the show sells out or not doesn't really matter much to me, as long as I'm there.

(One thing I can't stand the idea of copying music. If you like it, show your support for the band. If you don't, then don't help its proliferation.)
#6
Ramien
Feb 10, 2009 16:10:00 I buy CDs, then copy them to my computer for usage on my various portable devices.
#7
ciaran
Feb 10, 2009 17:06:20 I'm very proud of my CD collection. I buy albums that I want to listen to start to finish, and there's quite a lot.

That being said, if there's just one song I want to hear, we'll just download it.
#8
minja_dup
Feb 10, 2009 18:24:13 I buy online, one tune at a time. No point buying CDs anymore. If the whole CD is worth it, then I will buy all of it.... online.

I think it won't be long before the music business and musicians change their tactics to make money. The music industry is WAY behind the curve on this.
#9
baneofelves
Feb 10, 2009 18:34:56 Well, I prefer to buy CD's. I generally like all songs, there's (at most) 1 or 2 that I dislike on it. Most of the bands put out 10-15 songs on an album, so I'd rather pay about $10 for them all instead of $1 per song, which would probably run me at least a few dollars more.
#10
ciaran
Feb 10, 2009 18:42:05 Sometimes I like the liner notes and artwork too.
#11
baneofelves
Feb 10, 2009 18:45:01 That, too. I got Symphony X's album Paradise Lost, and I love the artwork in it. It has inspired some stuff for D&D.
#12
minja_dup
Feb 10, 2009 18:49:00
Well, I prefer to buy CD's. I generally like all songs, there's (at most) 1 or 2 that I dislike on it. Most of the bands put out 10-15 songs on an album, so I'd rather pay about $10 for them all instead of $1 per song, which would probably run me at least a few dollars more.

Most of the album's can be purchased for 8.99-9.99.
#13
baneofelves
Feb 10, 2009 18:50:43 The albums that I purchase has minimum 13 songs. I believe it's $1 per song. SO, minimum $13 if I buy online.
#14
minja_dup
Feb 10, 2009 18:54:24
The albums that I purchase has minimum 13 songs. I believe it's $1 per song. SO, minimum $13 if I buy online.

The two places I buy from usually offer a discounted deal if you buy the whole album. Normally between 8.99 and 9.99.
#15
baneofelves
Feb 10, 2009 18:56:48 Cool. I still like the art in the album covers: like this one that I have has a bunch of angels in a battle with devils, with beautiful scenery (and lots of fire!) and the angels get their asses handed to them and these giant floating eyeball-tentacle monsters grab them and devour them. To each their own.
#16
dirtyfrank
Feb 10, 2009 19:27:55 I buy my music with money.
#17
baneofelves
Feb 10, 2009 19:30:20
I buy my music with counterfeit money.

Really?
#18
dirtyfrank
Feb 10, 2009 19:32:48 Sure, whatever you say.
#19
baneofelves
Feb 10, 2009 19:35:35 Criminal!
#20
ciaran
Feb 10, 2009 19:47:11
Imbecile!

Harsh, dude.
#21
pigknight
Feb 10, 2009 21:51:33 I use YouTube.

Sadly they keep taking them down...

I should probably spring for an iPod.

But iPods don't get Stratovarius...
#22
baneofelves
Feb 10, 2009 21:53:18
I use YouTube.

Sadly they keep taking them down...

I should probably spring for an iPod.

But iPods don't get Stratovarius...

I have Stratovarius on my iPod.
#23
pigknight
Feb 10, 2009 21:53:50 But it's not on iTunes...

#24
baneofelves
Feb 10, 2009 21:55:07 find someone who has the song on their computer, then.
#25
ADHadh
Feb 11, 2009 5:49:04 I think that a real fan must have CDs/Vinyl/Exlusive versions of their beloved band creations. An mp3 won't do.

I just have to get my hands on that Chinese Democracy deluxe box...
#26
rake
Feb 11, 2009 8:14:48 I guess I'm going to be the first (only?) guy to fess up to downloading his entire collection from LimeWire for free. Do people still buy music? : P
#27
Cpt_Micha
Feb 11, 2009 8:27:10
Most of the album's can be purchased for 8.99-9.99.

But it's not a hard copy. And hard copies you create aren't as good as the ones you buy.

I still buy Cds if I like the songs enough, I might acquire it semi legally speaking and if I like it I buy it. I'll be the second to fess up to downloading music. I've only downloaded stuff I either can't find instores or on amazon, or have every intention of buying later.

The last Cd I purchased I think was the Top Gun soundtrack about two years ago though.
#28
minja_dup
Feb 11, 2009 10:55:57
But it's not a hard copy. And hard copies you create aren't as good as the ones you buy.

I don't need a hard copy, and I have never really noticed the difference. I am not sitting in my living room playing the tunes through a massive sound system wincing over the tiniest imperfection. I am running down the road, or working out in the gym, bouncing along with the tunes playing in my ears.

I buy, I don't steal. The artists deserve their paychecks for their work.

Amazon is best I think.
#29
Shiftkitty
Feb 11, 2009 12:04:02 When Napster was free, I used to use it to preview songs to see if the entire album was worth the price, or was it just one song that was good and the rest was crap. I also used it to find rare or obscure songs.

Now I can go ahead and get the old and rare stuff on vinyl, because I have a board that lets me put them on my computer and save them in a number of different formats. It's pretty slick. It's got a de-popper and everything. As soon as my co-workers found out I had this thing, they showed up the following morning with stacks of records and blank CDs...
#30
minja_dup
Feb 11, 2009 15:58:15
Now I can go ahead and get the old and rare stuff on vinyl, because I have a board that lets me put them on my computer and save them in a number of different formats. It's pretty slick. It's got a de-popper and everything. As soon as my co-workers found out I had this thing, they showed up the following morning with stacks of records and blank CDs...

That is awesome, how much does something like that cost?
#31
dirtyfrank
Feb 11, 2009 16:01:20
The artists deserve their paychecks for their work.

Unless their music sucks in which case they are getting what they deserve, for they didn't work hard enough to be good. ;)
#32
minja_dup
Feb 11, 2009 16:07:41
Unless their music sucks in which case they are getting what they deserve, for they didn't work hard enough to be good. ;)

Taste is relative, the artists still deserve their due. I am not a huge fan of the producers and the labels getting their confiscatory cuts of the pie, I think more should go to the artists. But that is not the system we currently have. The internet can cut out a lot of the need for those middle-types, but the industry has yet to accept that. Oh course, why should they, they stand to get cut out of the equation.
#33
Shiftkitty
Feb 11, 2009 17:57:15
That is awesome, how much does something like that cost?

I think it was less than 200$. I'll get the name of it for you when I get home.
#34
minja_dup
Feb 11, 2009 18:05:04
I think it was less than 200$. I'll get the name of it for you when I get home.

Wow, I was kind of expecting another zero on that.
#35
Shiftkitty
Feb 11, 2009 18:58:18 It's a mixing board of sorts with the neccesary wires. The site will try to sell you a turntable, but any turntable with "RCA" jacks on the back will do. I had an old late 70's AM/FM-dual cassette-8 track turntable we were going to hook up, but it had the wrong jacks. I'll be leaving work in about 5 minutes, so I should have the info up in an hour or so.
#36
Shiftkitty
Feb 11, 2009 19:50:07 Here we go. It's a DAK 2800-PC (LOL, "PC" get it? Hyuk hyuk!) and, surprise surprise, it cost around 69$. He bought it online, but doesn't remember which site he got it from. I think it's just www.dak.com because I have that URL written down on a post-it on my tower. Oh yeah. You'll need to supply your own headphones as well, the kind with the large jack.
#37
minja_dup
Feb 11, 2009 20:02:00 thanks a bunch!
#38
dirtyfrank
Feb 11, 2009 23:52:22 Girls

At my place I've got a broken record player and some vinyl records. I should probably talk to a brother of mine so that I can get it fixed. Now only if I had some motivation.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Shiftkitty Feb 10, 2009 15:16:08	I think this bunch here will be better suited to this question than my history group. Do you think the availability of online music as singles affects the sales of CDs at brick-and-mortar music stores? Do you think it affects a band's efforts if they know people are probably only going to buy the songs they heard on the radio? Will they try as hard to put out a good album versus just a couple of good songs? And a debate my husband and I have periodically... Do you think any bands today could fill a stadium? I mean total and absolute sell-out, SRO, Led Zepplin-style stadium SRO?
#2 shinikama Feb 10, 2009 15:22:57	Bands still sell out. Cricket Pavillion in Phoenix can hold LOTS of people, as seen at the Family Values Tour a few years ago. Holy Crap, that packed. Wasn't a single group, though. Haven't been to and single-band concerts lately enough to say. Single sales DO affect CD sales, though. I think I read an article somewhere... goes to dig up
#3 dirtyfrank Feb 10, 2009 15:24:03	I've only bought my music from the store and not online. I probably will continue to do so. It doesn't bother me to do so because many of the bands may only have 2 or 3 bad songs on the album at most. If I'm not going to be buying many bad songs then I might as well buy the CD. I don't know if being able to buy online singles will cut down on CD sales buy much because there are people that do like to buy CDs so that they can say they have it. "You've got the song, well I have the CD it's on." I think some bands wont really care as long as they make money, but I'm sure some will try and produce albums of straight hits. There are bands that can fill a stadium. I would personally say that they are more or less the older bands that already have tons of songs and a huge fan fanatical fan base. One that comes to mind is Metallica.
#4 lobo_grimm_dup Feb 10, 2009 15:35:30	I think Eminem's relapse and Dr. Dre's detox will sell a lot in stadiums. I think chinese democracy did the same.
#5 annoyinglizardvoice Feb 10, 2009 16:08:36	I much prefer to buy CDs. I tend to only listen to music when I'm in a fixed place rather than on the move, so there's no big advantage of an ipod for me. I also much prefer brousing in a shop than on line, it just feels much more comfortable to do it that way (as long as the shop's not full of kids/chavs/able bodied people who move very slowly). I do tend to only buy albums though. I see bands I like live when I get the chance and cash. Wether the show sells out or not doesn't really matter much to me, as long as I'm there. (One thing I can't stand the idea of copying music. If you like it, show your support for the band. If you don't, then don't help its proliferation.)
#6 Ramien Feb 10, 2009 16:10:00	I buy CDs, then copy them to my computer for usage on my various portable devices.
#7 ciaran Feb 10, 2009 17:06:20	I'm very proud of my CD collection. I buy albums that I want to listen to start to finish, and there's quite a lot. That being said, if there's just one song I want to hear, we'll just download it.
#8 minja_dup Feb 10, 2009 18:24:13	I buy online, one tune at a time. No point buying CDs anymore. If the whole CD is worth it, then I will buy all of it.... online. I think it won't be long before the music business and musicians change their tactics to make money. The music industry is WAY behind the curve on this.
#9 baneofelves Feb 10, 2009 18:34:56	Well, I prefer to buy CD's. I generally like all songs, there's (at most) 1 or 2 that I dislike on it. Most of the bands put out 10-15 songs on an album, so I'd rather pay about $10 for them all instead of $1 per song, which would probably run me at least a few dollars more.
#10 ciaran Feb 10, 2009 18:42:05	Sometimes I like the liner notes and artwork too.
#11 baneofelves Feb 10, 2009 18:45:01	That, too. I got Symphony X's album Paradise Lost, and I love the artwork in it. It has inspired some stuff for D&D.
#12 minja_dup Feb 10, 2009 18:49:00	Well, I prefer to buy CD's. I generally like all songs, there's (at most) 1 or 2 that I dislike on it. Most of the bands put out 10-15 songs on an album, so I'd rather pay about $10 for them all instead of $1 per song, which would probably run me at least a few dollars more. Most of the album's can be purchased for 8.99-9.99.
#13 baneofelves Feb 10, 2009 18:50:43	The albums that I purchase has minimum 13 songs. I believe it's $1 per song. SO, minimum $13 if I buy online.
#14 minja_dup Feb 10, 2009 18:54:24	The albums that I purchase has minimum 13 songs. I believe it's $1 per song. SO, minimum $13 if I buy online. The two places I buy from usually offer a discounted deal if you buy the whole album. Normally between 8.99 and 9.99.
#15 baneofelves Feb 10, 2009 18:56:48	Cool. I still like the art in the album covers: like this one that I have has a bunch of angels in a battle with devils, with beautiful scenery (and lots of fire!) and the angels get their asses handed to them and these giant floating eyeball-tentacle monsters grab them and devour them. To each their own.
#16 dirtyfrank Feb 10, 2009 19:27:55	I buy my music with money.
#17 baneofelves Feb 10, 2009 19:30:20	I buy my music with counterfeit money. Really?
#18 dirtyfrank Feb 10, 2009 19:32:48	Sure, whatever you say.
#19 baneofelves Feb 10, 2009 19:35:35	Criminal!
#20 ciaran Feb 10, 2009 19:47:11	Imbecile! Harsh, dude.
#21 pigknight Feb 10, 2009 21:51:33	I use YouTube. Sadly they keep taking them down... I should probably spring for an iPod. But iPods don't get Stratovarius...
#22 baneofelves Feb 10, 2009 21:53:18	I use YouTube. Sadly they keep taking them down... I should probably spring for an iPod. But iPods don't get Stratovarius... I have Stratovarius on my iPod.
#23 pigknight Feb 10, 2009 21:53:50	But it's not on iTunes...
#24 baneofelves Feb 10, 2009 21:55:07	find someone who has the song on their computer, then.
#25 ADHadh Feb 11, 2009 5:49:04	I think that a real fan must have CDs/Vinyl/Exlusive versions of their beloved band creations. An mp3 won't do. I just have to get my hands on that Chinese Democracy deluxe box...
#26 rake Feb 11, 2009 8:14:48	I guess I'm going to be the first (only?) guy to fess up to downloading his entire collection from LimeWire for free. Do people still buy music? : P
#27 Cpt_Micha Feb 11, 2009 8:27:10	Most of the album's can be purchased for 8.99-9.99. But it's not a hard copy. And hard copies you create aren't as good as the ones you buy. I still buy Cds if I like the songs enough, I might acquire it semi legally speaking and if I like it I buy it. I'll be the second to fess up to downloading music. I've only downloaded stuff I either can't find instores or on amazon, or have every intention of buying later. The last Cd I purchased I think was the Top Gun soundtrack about two years ago though.
#28 minja_dup Feb 11, 2009 10:55:57	But it's not a hard copy. And hard copies you create aren't as good as the ones you buy. I don't need a hard copy, and I have never really noticed the difference. I am not sitting in my living room playing the tunes through a massive sound system wincing over the tiniest imperfection. I am running down the road, or working out in the gym, bouncing along with the tunes playing in my ears. I buy, I don't steal. The artists deserve their paychecks for their work. Amazon is best I think.
#29 Shiftkitty Feb 11, 2009 12:04:02	When Napster was free, I used to use it to preview songs to see if the entire album was worth the price, or was it just one song that was good and the rest was crap. I also used it to find rare or obscure songs. Now I can go ahead and get the old and rare stuff on vinyl, because I have a board that lets me put them on my computer and save them in a number of different formats. It's pretty slick. It's got a de-popper and everything. As soon as my co-workers found out I had this thing, they showed up the following morning with stacks of records and blank CDs...
#30 minja_dup Feb 11, 2009 15:58:15	Now I can go ahead and get the old and rare stuff on vinyl, because I have a board that lets me put them on my computer and save them in a number of different formats. It's pretty slick. It's got a de-popper and everything. As soon as my co-workers found out I had this thing, they showed up the following morning with stacks of records and blank CDs... That is awesome, how much does something like that cost?
#31 dirtyfrank Feb 11, 2009 16:01:20	The artists deserve their paychecks for their work. Unless their music sucks in which case they are getting what they deserve, for they didn't work hard enough to be good. ;)
#32 minja_dup Feb 11, 2009 16:07:41	Unless their music sucks in which case they are getting what they deserve, for they didn't work hard enough to be good. ;) Taste is relative, the artists still deserve their due. I am not a huge fan of the producers and the labels getting their confiscatory cuts of the pie, I think more should go to the artists. But that is not the system we currently have. The internet can cut out a lot of the need for those middle-types, but the industry has yet to accept that. Oh course, why should they, they stand to get cut out of the equation.
#33 Shiftkitty Feb 11, 2009 17:57:15	That is awesome, how much does something like that cost? I think it was less than 200$. I'll get the name of it for you when I get home.
#34 minja_dup Feb 11, 2009 18:05:04	I think it was less than 200$. I'll get the name of it for you when I get home. Wow, I was kind of expecting another zero on that.
#35 Shiftkitty Feb 11, 2009 18:58:18	It's a mixing board of sorts with the neccesary wires. The site will try to sell you a turntable, but any turntable with "RCA" jacks on the back will do. I had an old late 70's AM/FM-dual cassette-8 track turntable we were going to hook up, but it had the wrong jacks. I'll be leaving work in about 5 minutes, so I should have the info up in an hour or so.
#36 Shiftkitty Feb 11, 2009 19:50:07	Here we go. It's a DAK 2800-PC (LOL, "PC" get it? Hyuk hyuk!) and, surprise surprise, it cost around 69$. He bought it online, but doesn't remember which site he got it from. I think it's just www.dak.com because I have that URL written down on a post-it on my tower. Oh yeah. You'll need to supply your own headphones as well, the kind with the large jack.
#37 minja_dup Feb 11, 2009 20:02:00	thanks a bunch!
#38 dirtyfrank Feb 11, 2009 23:52:22	Girls At my place I've got a broken record player and some vinyl records. I should probably talk to a brother of mine so that I can get it fixed. Now only if I had some motivation.