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I feel bad for McCain right now

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#1
tall_max
Oct 11, 2008 14:47:31 *NOTE* - Any "political" discussions can be left out. Read my topic first.

I saw this video recently, and I can tell that McCain is starting to feel really bad about how his campaign is going/has went, and disappointed in his supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf6YKOkfFsE

I mean, at this point so many of his supporters, and many Americans in general, are still very confused and ignorant about Obama. I mean, in that video a supporter of McCain directly said she's afraid because "he's an Arab". I heard (no source, sadly) that someone earnestly said to McCain that he'd shoot Obama if he became President because of 'what he could do' in office. And McCain has realized what this campaign has turned into, and what from I'm seeing he's just shocked at this. While I may disagree with what McCain may stand for, he's still a decent person and realizing that things have gone too far from this campaign, and he's trying to put the brakes on it before **** hits the fan. Mudslinging in elections happen, sure, but when your supporters think that an "Arab" is running for office, when these people think that being Arab means having Muslim ties that *could be connected to terrorism*, that is seriously scary. Especially in a country that has such an abnormally high rate of murder and violence compared to almost any other developed nation.

I mean, at a rally of his strongest supporters, he was basically getting torn apart by the crowd when he was saying that Obama is a decent man who they shouldn't be worried about.

What do you all think about this?
#2
Tsuul
Oct 11, 2008 15:11:38 Politics is fueled by fanatics. Anyone who has to vilify the opposition has bought into fanatical rhetoric. All I need to hear is "[X political party/person] is evil" or some variation thereof to know the speaker's thoughts should be deemed highly suspect.

Personally I believe politics should be less polarized.
#3
the_jew
Oct 11, 2008 15:24:06 I believe that he is starting to do the right thing, it just took him awhile probably after noticing how direct his attacks were getting in the second debate and hearing what his supporters were saying he decided that this was far enough if not too far already. I must admit I saw the original of that on tv they booed him when he said that obama was a decent man, I was seriously shocked by the crowed that they would boo him for this. Mccain may not be the nicest guy most of the time, but at least he is capable of feeling shame. So I guess that is one point in his favor the fact that he is in a situation where he needs to feel ashamed is a point against him, so he is at least starting to try and recoup his losses.
#4
onusbone
Oct 12, 2008 15:12:45 I predict that McCain will stick to his guns, and only get dirtier as election day nears. While he is not responsible for the statements of his supporters, he is very responsible for the statements of his surrogates and campaign staff. Any official who has made disparaging remarks did so with the implicit agreement of McCain.

"I'm John McCain, and I approved this message."
#5
the_jew
Oct 12, 2008 15:33:29 more than likely he will get back to slinging, because after he feels bad he will go back to his old self, it is the usual human cycle
#6
veslfen
Oct 12, 2008 17:33:35
I predict that McCain will stick to his guns, and only get dirtier as election day nears. While he is not responsible for the statements of his supporters, he is very responsible for the statements of his surrogates and campaign staff. Any official who has made disparaging remarks did so with the implicit agreement of McCain.

"I'm John McCain, and I approved this message."

This could not be more true. The disgusting, vitriolic hatred-stirring rallies Palin made in Florida et al are most certainly caused in some way by John McCain. The only other option is that McCain has absolutely no control whatsoever over his own campaign, even on things as essential as what the attacks they make should be. And that's definitely not the case.

I honestly blame Bush for all this. He stole the election from John McCain in 2000, and he's doing it again this year, by being such an ***hole president that americans on the whole are disillusioned with republican leaders (good riddance I say), even the moderates like McCain. Frankly, I would have voted for McCain had he been nominated in 2000. But the John McCain of today is not the honorable, "maverick" senator he once was back in 2000. And I'm not voting for him. And I do feel sorry for him. But not enough to think he deserves the presidency.
#7
tall_max
Oct 13, 2008 16:58:10 Palin's comments and rallies =/= McCain's. He has a temper, sure, but he is not the type of person to let things get out of hand in discussing the opponent. He realized that this has happened, and is now trying to fix it.

Palin, on the other hand, would be more than fine with what is going on. Personally, I'm surprised Palin hasn't kicked McCain off the ballot yet.
#8
goblin_pride
Oct 13, 2008 21:06:13
Politics is fueled by fanatics. Anyone who has to vilify the opposition has bought into fanatical rhetoric. All I need to hear is "[X political party/person] is evil" or some variation thereof to know the speaker's thoughts should be deemed highly suspect.

My question is whether it was a ploy by McCain to try to grab the moral high ground for the weekend news cycle. If he can be looked at as being a man of honor, will that increase his chances of a victory down the road?
#9
Tsuul
Oct 14, 2008 0:14:41
My question is whether it was a ploy by McCain to try to...

It had the opposite effect. All I saw that weekend on network television were dems attacking McCain for creating a hate environ.
The high road doesn't work in politics. If it did, we wouldn't see negative ads so much.
#10
_jayne_cobb_
Oct 14, 2008 8:24:13
What do you all think about this?

That the vast majority of people are stupid, ignorant fools.

In a month it won;t matter anyway. McCain will pack up his bags and move back to Springfield to run his beloved nuclear plant and have wacky adventures with Homer and Smithers.
#11
onusbone
Oct 14, 2008 9:17:25
That the vast majority of people are stupid, ignorant fools.

In a month it won;t matter anyway. McCain will pack up his bags and move back to Springfield to run his beloved nuclear plant and have wacky adventures with Homer and Smithers.

Sorry, Jane. McCain is not Burns

He is clearly Cotton Hill, and Palin is Peggy.
#12
goblin_pride
Oct 14, 2008 13:17:02
He is clearly Cotton Hill, and Palin is Peggy.

Nah, I might vote for that ticket.
#13
zombie_babies
Oct 14, 2008 13:25:48
He is clearly Cotton Hill, and Palin is Peggy.

Nah, I might vote for that ticket.

Wait a minute. So, what you guys are sayin' is that people actually watch that show? Mind boggling.
#14
goblin_pride
Oct 14, 2008 13:29:29
Wait a minute. So, what you guys are sayin' is that people actually watch that show? Mind boggling.

You have to understand, I grew up with people like that as relatives. I find it hilarious. Not to mention that if you turn the captions on, there's a whole 'nother set of jokes that you miss because of Boomhauer's mumbling. Mike Judge has a wicked sense of humor, you just have to pay attention to all of the jokes, especially the ones that are hardest to understand.
#15
zombie_babies
Oct 14, 2008 13:46:03 I think I'll take your word on that. I've seen a few and they have left me no better than painfully bored. If I have a choice between KotH and something like ... say a How it's Made re-run (boring as well - though it shouldn't be), I'll choose the latter every time. KotH has roughly the same comedic content as paint drying - without the fumes. ;)

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#1 tall_max Oct 11, 2008 14:47:31	NOTE - Any "political" discussions can be left out. Read my topic first. I saw this video recently, and I can tell that McCain is starting to feel really bad about how his campaign is going/has went, and disappointed in his supporters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf6YKOkfFsE I mean, at this point so many of his supporters, and many Americans in general, are still very confused and ignorant about Obama. I mean, in that video a supporter of McCain directly said she's afraid because "he's an Arab". I heard (no source, sadly) that someone earnestly said to McCain that he'd shoot Obama if he became President because of 'what he could do' in office. And McCain has realized what this campaign has turned into, and what from I'm seeing he's just shocked at this. While I may disagree with what McCain may stand for, he's still a decent person and realizing that things have gone too far from this campaign, and he's trying to put the brakes on it before **** hits the fan. Mudslinging in elections happen, sure, but when your supporters think that an "Arab" is running for office, when these people think that being Arab means having Muslim ties that could be connected to terrorism, that is seriously scary. Especially in a country that has such an abnormally high rate of murder and violence compared to almost any other developed nation. I mean, at a rally of his strongest supporters, he was basically getting torn apart by the crowd when he was saying that Obama is a decent man who they shouldn't be worried about. What do you all think about this?
#2 Tsuul Oct 11, 2008 15:11:38	Politics is fueled by fanatics. Anyone who has to vilify the opposition has bought into fanatical rhetoric. All I need to hear is "[X political party/person] is evil" or some variation thereof to know the speaker's thoughts should be deemed highly suspect. Personally I believe politics should be less polarized.
#3 the_jew Oct 11, 2008 15:24:06	I believe that he is starting to do the right thing, it just took him awhile probably after noticing how direct his attacks were getting in the second debate and hearing what his supporters were saying he decided that this was far enough if not too far already. I must admit I saw the original of that on tv they booed him when he said that obama was a decent man, I was seriously shocked by the crowed that they would boo him for this. Mccain may not be the nicest guy most of the time, but at least he is capable of feeling shame. So I guess that is one point in his favor the fact that he is in a situation where he needs to feel ashamed is a point against him, so he is at least starting to try and recoup his losses.
#4 onusbone Oct 12, 2008 15:12:45	I predict that McCain will stick to his guns, and only get dirtier as election day nears. While he is not responsible for the statements of his supporters, he is very responsible for the statements of his surrogates and campaign staff. Any official who has made disparaging remarks did so with the implicit agreement of McCain. "I'm John McCain, and I approved this message."
#5 the_jew Oct 12, 2008 15:33:29	more than likely he will get back to slinging, because after he feels bad he will go back to his old self, it is the usual human cycle
#6 veslfen Oct 12, 2008 17:33:35	I predict that McCain will stick to his guns, and only get dirtier as election day nears. While he is not responsible for the statements of his supporters, he is very responsible for the statements of his surrogates and campaign staff. Any official who has made disparaging remarks did so with the implicit agreement of McCain. "I'm John McCain, and I approved this message." This could not be more true. The disgusting, vitriolic hatred-stirring rallies Palin made in Florida et al are most certainly caused in some way by John McCain. The only other option is that McCain has absolutely no control whatsoever over his own campaign, even on things as essential as what the attacks they make should be. And that's definitely not the case. I honestly blame Bush for all this. He stole the election from John McCain in 2000, and he's doing it again this year, by being such an ***hole president that americans on the whole are disillusioned with republican leaders (good riddance I say), even the moderates like McCain. Frankly, I would have voted for McCain had he been nominated in 2000. But the John McCain of today is not the honorable, "maverick" senator he once was back in 2000. And I'm not voting for him. And I do feel sorry for him. But not enough to think he deserves the presidency.
#7 tall_max Oct 13, 2008 16:58:10	Palin's comments and rallies =/= McCain's. He has a temper, sure, but he is not the type of person to let things get out of hand in discussing the opponent. He realized that this has happened, and is now trying to fix it. Palin, on the other hand, would be more than fine with what is going on. Personally, I'm surprised Palin hasn't kicked McCain off the ballot yet.
#8 goblin_pride Oct 13, 2008 21:06:13	Politics is fueled by fanatics. Anyone who has to vilify the opposition has bought into fanatical rhetoric. All I need to hear is "[X political party/person] is evil" or some variation thereof to know the speaker's thoughts should be deemed highly suspect. My question is whether it was a ploy by McCain to try to grab the moral high ground for the weekend news cycle. If he can be looked at as being a man of honor, will that increase his chances of a victory down the road?
#9 Tsuul Oct 14, 2008 0:14:41	My question is whether it was a ploy by McCain to try to... It had the opposite effect. All I saw that weekend on network television were dems attacking McCain for creating a hate environ. The high road doesn't work in politics. If it did, we wouldn't see negative ads so much.
#10 _jayne_cobb_ Oct 14, 2008 8:24:13	What do you all think about this? That the vast majority of people are stupid, ignorant fools. In a month it won;t matter anyway. McCain will pack up his bags and move back to Springfield to run his beloved nuclear plant and have wacky adventures with Homer and Smithers.
#11 onusbone Oct 14, 2008 9:17:25	That the vast majority of people are stupid, ignorant fools. In a month it won;t matter anyway. McCain will pack up his bags and move back to Springfield to run his beloved nuclear plant and have wacky adventures with Homer and Smithers. Sorry, Jane. McCain is not Burns He is clearly Cotton Hill, and Palin is Peggy.
#12 goblin_pride Oct 14, 2008 13:17:02	He is clearly Cotton Hill, and Palin is Peggy. Nah, I might vote for that ticket.
#13 zombie_babies Oct 14, 2008 13:25:48	He is clearly Cotton Hill, and Palin is Peggy. Nah, I might vote for that ticket. Wait a minute. So, what you guys are sayin' is that people actually watch that show? Mind boggling.
#14 goblin_pride Oct 14, 2008 13:29:29	Wait a minute. So, what you guys are sayin' is that people actually watch that show? Mind boggling. You have to understand, I grew up with people like that as relatives. I find it hilarious. Not to mention that if you turn the captions on, there's a whole 'nother set of jokes that you miss because of Boomhauer's mumbling. Mike Judge has a wicked sense of humor, you just have to pay attention to all of the jokes, especially the ones that are hardest to understand.
#15 zombie_babies Oct 14, 2008 13:46:03	I think I'll take your word on that. I've seen a few and they have left me no better than painfully bored. If I have a choice between KotH and something like ... say a How it's Made re-run (boring as well - though it shouldn't be), I'll choose the latter every time. KotH has roughly the same comedic content as paint drying - without the fumes. ;)