I'm not sure whether I like or hate this castle...

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#1

Cpt_Micha

Aug 31, 2011 8:07:13
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#2

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 8:09:00
It's not my style, but whatever. I've seen worse artwork :P
#3

zombie_babies

Aug 31, 2011 8:16:33
/hate

A case of 'art' ruining art.  Not that tagging can't be art, of course.  But in this case it's just not.
#4

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 8:18:34
That doesn't look like tagging, it's just a mural. Also the underlying art isn't very special either :P It's just a castle.
#5

EscherEnigma

Aug 31, 2011 8:18:55
I don't think "graffiti" means the same to them as it means to us.  I mean [SECTION 2 VIOLATION], when you need scaffolding to put your "graffiti" on the wall and the owner lets you, I think you're in different territory...
#6

Timmeh

Aug 31, 2011 8:22:09
I don't like the mural. If it was a different, better mural then I would like it.
#7

zombie_babies

Aug 31, 2011 8:28:13
That doesn't look like tagging, it's just a mural. Also the underlying art isn't very special either :P It's just a castle.



A lot of tagging takes on mural form.  And castles are special.  So there! 

I don't think "graffiti" means the same to them as it means to us.  I mean [SECTION 2 VIOLATION], when you need scaffolding to put your "graffiti" on the wall and the owner lets you, I think you're in different territory...



Meh, it happens here, too.  In some cities there are designated tagging areas so that the kiddies hopefully don't deface stuff the gubment don't want defaced.  The thing is, the artists still consider it graffiti.  I get exactly what you're saying and agree, but it's not like you can tell an artist what sort of art it is they're artin'.  Kinda their deal, IMO. 

As ugly as it is, it still looks better than Athens.  And yes, I mean the entire city.  Cuz the entire city is covered in really bad tagging.  Like, every single building.  And all the beautiful ruins are right next to that garbage.  Meh, I don't like Athens.
#8

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 8:33:06
Well... that's because Graffiti means:


Graffiti (singular: graffito; the plural is used as a mass noun) is the name for images or lettering scratched, scrawled, painted or marked in any manner on property. Graffiti is any type of public markings that may appear in the forms of simple written words to elaborate wall paintings. Graffiti has existed since ancient times, with examples dating back to Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire.[1]



So, it is graffiti. The thing is that people often confuse vandalism and graffiti. Painting crap on walls where it's not allowed is vandalistic graffiti, while this is artistic graffiti.

Also, castles are special? You must be from the US Tongue out There's nothing really special about that castle. There's dozens of them around there.
#9

zombie_babies

Aug 31, 2011 8:35:59

Quantity does not depreciate value.  If something is special, it is.  And the US has castles, too.  They're just not as special cuz they're ripoffs of the European ones. 

#10

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 8:40:50
I'm pretty sure quantity does depreciate value, and I'm pretty sure that things stop being special when you have too many of them :P

See, THIS is a special castle. The scottish one? It's just a "meh" castle. They can deface a few of those not special enough to be really worth preserving.
 
#11

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 9:30:16
Not all castles are designed to be defensible. You're thinking middle ages. In the ages after, people still built castles, but with the invention of heavy cannons they were designed to inspire awe, not be defensive.

The Scottish one isn't defensible either btw. Windows are far too large and it's not located on a hill, but in the middle of a bunch of houses. 
#12

zombie_babies

Aug 31, 2011 9:55:19
I'm pretty sure quantity does depreciate value, and I'm pretty sure that things stop being special when you have too many of them :P



Nah.  Think about diamonds.  Worth a lot, millions find them special and there's jillions of them.  With castles, it's even more easy to see.  A castle is a building and while we have a great many of those, only a relative few are castles.  Plus they're a link to a different time - history.  That creates value itself.

See, THIS is a special castle. The scottish one? It's just a "meh" castle. They can deface a few of those not special enough to be really worth preserving.
 



Yeah, that's a cool castle.  The Scottish one is, too. 
#13

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 9:59:15
Diamonds used to be worth a lot because they were rare. They're still worth a lot because most people don't know that you can make them super cheap.

Castles provide a link to history, which is cool, except when you live in a country that has a huge overdose on history, then you can afford to dick around a bit with historic objects because you have so many of them anyway.
Especially the pretty bland historic objects.

I mean, would you complain if someone tore down a building that had been standing since the early 1900s in your neighbourhood?
#14

ADHadh

Aug 31, 2011 10:02:16
Diamonds used to be worth a lot because they were rare. They're still worth a lot because most people don't know that you can make them super cheap.


Well, not make, but they are pretty common and considering their usefulness they should be cheaper.

Castles provide a link to history, which is cool, except when you live in a country that has a huge overdose on history, then you can afford to dick around a bit with historic objects because you have so many of them anyway.
Especially the pretty bland historic objects.

I mean, would you complain if someone tore down a building that had been standing since the early 1900s in your neighbourhood?


Heh, I grew up in a city found in the '50s and now live in a one almost completely destroyed in the '40s
#15

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 10:07:32
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond

You can make artificial diamonds. They look just like the real ones. The only special about diamonds is that everyone says they're special, because they're just overpriced chunks of cheaply available rocks basically. And you can even make your own. 
#16

zombie_babies

Aug 31, 2011 10:26:12
Diamonds used to be worth a lot because they were rare. They're still worth a lot because most people don't know that you can make them super cheap.

Castles provide a link to history, which is cool, except when you live in a country that has a huge overdose on history, then you can afford to dick around a bit with historic objects because you have so many of them anyway.
Especially the pretty bland historic objects.

I mean, would you complain if someone tore down a building that had been standing since the early 1900s in your neighbourhood?



So ... quantity has not negatively impacted their value, then.  Got it. 

It would depend upon the particular building.  Some have historical significance, some have aesthetic significance.  Some don't.  It all depends. 
#17

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 10:38:38
Just like diamonds, castles have this romanticised image around them that makes people assign great great value to them, despite most of them not really having any.

Thing is, we have loads of them in Europe and most are completely insignificant. I'm pretty sure that the castle in question has no historical significance and next to no aesthetic significance.\

Like you said with the 1900s building; it depends on the particular building. This one? Who cares. It's just a run off the mill castle. 
#18

jetshield

Aug 31, 2011 10:47:31
MY EYES! THEY BLEED!!

Some towns have laws to prevent eye-sores. That town, apparently, is not one of them.
#19

KillerGM

Aug 31, 2011 11:41:10
I think it's cool.

Nothing I'd want to live in, but I think it's neat.  Good for the Earl!
#20

zombie_babies

Aug 31, 2011 11:56:37
Just like diamonds, castles have this romanticised image around them that makes people assign great great value to them, despite most of them not really having any.

Thing is, we have loads of them in Europe and most are completely insignificant. I'm pretty sure that the castle in question has no historical significance and next to no aesthetic significance.\

Like you said with the 1900s building; it depends on the particular building. This one? Who cares. It's just a run off the mill castle. 



Things only have the value that people assign them.  The value assigned is the only value that matters. 

It has historical significance in that it is an example of a style of architechture from a time now gone.  It gives us insight into the past.  That's important. 
#21

pluisjen

Aug 31, 2011 11:59:20
Things only have the value that people assign them. The value assigned is the only value that matters.  



By this logic, turning a Big Mac into a piece of art is a great loss, because I'm certain there are millions of people out there who consider it to be highly valuable, as they don't have anything to eat.

It has historical significance in that it is an example of a style of architechture from a time now gone.  It gives us insight into the past.  That's important.



Every building ever built has all that. 
#22

zombie_babies

Aug 31, 2011 12:05:49
By this logic, turning a Big Mac into a piece of art is a great loss, because I'm certain there are millions of people out there who consider it to be highly valuable, as they don't have anything to eat.



To those, it may well be.  They're people, too.  They assign value.  Like I may pay $2k for a canoe while you may only pay $5.  How you or I would never take another life if we can avoid it and a Blood will shoot a Crip to death without hesitating.  All definitions of value are assigned.  There is no such thing as true immutable value. 

Every building ever built has all that. 



Do we still have every building ever built? 
#23

pluisjen

Sep 01, 2011 3:54:42
Do we still have every building ever built?



No, but we have loads of them still left, so losing another one isn't going to be a very big issue. You're treating them like rare objects of a long forgotten time. In reality, there's a lot of them around here. And there's nothing special about most of them, either.

These castles have about as much historic significance as any other building from that time period. Hell, I've seen farms that are worth preserving more then this castle was. They were older, too. 
#24

toastedamphibian

Sep 01, 2011 4:14:18
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I object to either of thoes things being called a castle. Thats just insulting to real castles. Bah! If a horse can jump in your window, your window is in no damn castle.
#25

iqwinn

Sep 04, 2011 5:15:18
It's not the greatest work of art ever done.  It is, however, an interesting novelty.  While it is technically grafitti, it's not intended to be vandalistic or territorial.  It's something done for it's own sake, like Tocatta and Fuege in D-minor.





#26

KillerGM

Sep 04, 2011 18:14:03
Man, I love Fantasia.  I need to own a copy of it.
#27

dirtyfrank

Sep 04, 2011 21:43:41
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I object to either of thoes things being called a castle. Thats just insulting to real castles. Bah! If a horse can jump in your window, your window is in no damn castle.


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