I'm sorry.
I'm so very very sorry.
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It doesn't even look fit enough to be a Guest Star ship in a trek episode.
Though on the upside, it does look like something Riker would command. Double Chinned, Obese with a big gaping maw in the front.
(Guess why the Borg ships have their iconic shape?)
The best shape for a spaceship would probably be a cube, as you lose less usable area on the inside and have the lowest armor-plating to volume level you can get.
(Guess why the Borg ships have their iconic shape?)
With a large sphere though you get the ability to generate artificial gravity by spinning the ship. If large enough you won't really notice the curve and really you don't lose usable area those areas that are not squared are simply used for electronic and other components...
Also, you'd lose a little room with a sphere, which is too much if you want a perfect shape.
Whats the problem? It doesn't have enough spindly pieces connecting ridiculously gargantuan pieces that look like they should snap in half everytime the ship experiences gravity?
The problem is, it's obese, double chinned, and has a big gaping maw in the front. It looks like a starship that spent far too much time eating donuts, and cake.
I thought Enterprise D was one of the ugliest ships ever created, but if this one goes through as is, I think they have a new winner in Hideous.
If you notice the Sovereign (E), Voyager, and the Prometheus have very compact designs. This new ship is a stupid stupid move, as it doesn't even look like it would be remotely capable in a fight. Which when you think about the current ST time line would be total bupkiss. There's a pending war with the Romulans, there's civil unrest in the Cardassian sector, and then you have the Breen who are still out there, and the Borg who are probably getting ready for a round 3. Especially after the stunts Janeway pulled.
The best shape for a spaceship would probably be a cube, as you lose less usable area on the inside and have the lowest armor-plating to volume level you can get.
Sorry, but no. A sphere has the lowest surface area to volume ratio and the highest volume for a given enclosed surface area.
(Guess why the Borg ships have their iconic shape?)
Cos a writer thought it was cool.
Gravity? Wouldn't that point towards the center of the ship, thereby forcing you to make the decks circular as well? Also wouldn't that make moving really hard as the engine is also spinning in circles around the ship?
Depends on the demands of your engine, but if the engine is placed along the axis of rotation they propulsion is unaffected. And yeah, the perspective would be a little off, as "down" would be towards the outside of the ship and "up" would be towards the center, with "gravity" varying by deck. ANd yeah, the decks would be circular, but the outer decks would be less curved and it would be less immeidiatly noticable while the inner decks would have amore dramatic curve to them (as well as less "gravity" IIRC) which is where you'd put more engineering type sections, where machinary is fine and doesn't have to be comfortable for people.
So it's a workable design, but really depends on the technology involved. Personally I like the idea of a space ship that looks like a set of loosly connected soap bubbles.
Sorry, but no. A sphere has the lowest surface area to volume ratio and the highest volume for a given enclosed surface area.
Crap, you're right. I was getting my shapes confused. The cube's only advantage is that it's easier to use all of that space.
I guess spherical Borg ships would make more sense in that regard.
So it's a workable design, but really depends on the technology involved. Personally I like the idea of a space ship that looks like a set of loosly connected soap bubbles.
The EEE from Space Empire IV had ships that kinda looked like that. Of course it's graphics were simple .bmp so it didn't look very impressive, but still. They were one of my favorite races.
(Guess why the Borg ships have their iconic shape?)
Cuz the Borg are total squares, man.
The Borg actually had sphere shaped vessels at one point, no?
The Borg actually had sphere shaped vessels at one point, no?
Yes, the Borg spheres are a smaller, lighter craft for scouting and whatnot. Cubes actually carry some spheres inside them. They're basically the Borg's shuttles/fighters.
I would care about the Enterprise F if I thought it meant a new Star Trek series. However, I think we've a ways to wait on that.
I particularly like the two nacelles that have a small connector between the main body in the star trek ships. So when your shields are down and a smallish meteor slams into the connector you lose an entire nacelle and can only warp in circles...
(Don't make me nerdy. You wouldn't like me when I'm nerdy...)
Nacelles aren't thrusters. They emit the warp field around the ship, so the exact positioning isn't all that important. Loss of a nacelle would impair warp drive altogether, because they could not form a stable warp field with only one nacelle.
Whats the problem? It doesn't have enough spindly pieces connecting ridiculously gargantuan pieces that look like they should snap in half everytime the ship experiences gravity?
The problem is, it's obese, double chinned, and has a big gaping maw in the front. It looks like a starship that spent far too much time eating donuts, and cake.
I thought Enterprise D was one of the ugliest ships ever created, but if this one goes through as is, I think they have a new winner in Hideous.
If you notice the Sovereign (E), Voyager, and the Prometheus have very compact designs. This new ship is a stupid stupid move, as it doesn't even look like it would be remotely capable in a fight. Which when you think about the current ST time line would be total bupkiss. There's a pending war with the Romulans, there's civil unrest in the Cardassian sector, and then you have the Breen who are still out there, and the Borg who are probably getting ready for a round 3. Especially after the stunts Janeway pulled.
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It does not even have a chin, it is a ship. Your complaint is that it is large, and that makes it useless in combat? Okay, as long as you do not have any reasonable complaints.
I shouldn't look at a design for a freakin ST flagship and go "It needs a Diet"
It pretty much breaks every established paradigm for warships in that universe.
It's a gigantic Target, that looks more akin to that useless Cruiseliner (Enterprise D/ Galaxy Class) than something that'd be useful in combat.
The thing is, this thing looks more like the 'peacetime' ship that was the Galaxy.
Most importantly, this is not the one that won the contest, not even close to the one that won it. This is pretty much CBS taking out their penises and slapping everyone in the face, picking what they want anyway.
I particularly like the two nacelles that have a small connector between the main body in the star trek ships. So when your shields are down and a smallish meteor slams into the connector you lose an entire nacelle and can only warp in circles...
(Don't make me nerdy. You wouldn't like me when I'm nerdy...)
Nacelles aren't thrusters. They emit the warp field around the ship, so the exact positioning isn't all that important. Loss of a nacelle would impair warp drive altogether, because they could not form a stable warp field with only one nacelle.
Ok same point though. They take some minor damage and lose the ability to warp. I'd rather have them as part of the main ship and take some damage and be able to repair them...
It's Fat.
I shouldn't look at a design for a freakin ST flagship and go "It needs a Diet"
It pretty much breaks every established paradigm for warships in that universe.
It's a gigantic Target, that looks more akin to that useless Cruiseliner (Enterprise D/ Galaxy Class) than something that'd be useful in combat.
Know what else is grossly large compared to other ships?
Know what else is grossly large compared to other ships?
Especially after the creation of the Sovereign, which is the most battle capable ship starfleet has made to date.
I think you're forgetting the U.S.S. Ben Sisko's Mother****in' Pimp Hand.
Notably, the design of the defiant was probably as streamlined as you can possibly get with Star Trek ship design. It was sleek, it was small, and yes, Lokaire, the nacelles were built into the main body of the ship. This little bastard could take on multiple Dominion warships by itself, was originally designed as Starfleet's answer to the Borg threat, and had engines so powerful they couldn't operate at full capacity, or else they would shake the ship apart. You can't see it in the picture I posted, but over the bridge of the Defiant is written, "Suck it, Picard."
Wasn't the Defiant really small? I always got the idea that it was more like a starfighter then a warship, but I didn't see an awful lot of Star Trek.
It was small, had a shitload of guns, multiple shield arrays, and a cloaking device. The warships in startrek are the small ones. Starfleet didn't have any small ships (aside from the defiant, which was a prototype or something), because it doesnt have any 'warships', cause they are super PC and think having military vessels sends the wrong message. Thats why all their wars are fought with ****ing science and deep space exploration vehichels.
Like I said, easy living has made them militarily retarded.
Wasn't the Defiant really small? I always got the idea that it was more like a starfighter then a warship, but I didn't see an awful lot of Star Trek.
It was the smallest non-shuttle ship in service, at only four decks high and 120 meters (roughly 360 feet) in length. Yeah, it's really small, but it's just compact, with all the sciencey, exploration, and luxury BS left out altogether.
It's an set of guns strapped to an engine.
they are super PC and think having military vessels sends the wrong message.
Even the Defiant was classified as an "escort vessel," even though everyone knew it was a warship.
Wasn't the Defiant really small? I always got the idea that it was more like a starfighter then a warship, but I didn't see an awful lot of Star Trek.
It was the smallest non-shuttle ship in service, at only four decks high and 120 meters (roughly 360 feet) in length. Yeah, it's really small, but it's just compact, with all the sciencey, exploration, and luxury BS left out altogether.
It's an set of guns strapped to an engine.
And 3 shields and a stolen cloaking device.
I guess in Starfleet being a researcher is a pretty dangerous profession when wars break out then.
And 3 shields and a stolen cloaking device.
Not stolen. They got permission. Originally, there was even a romulan officer aboard the Defiant to monitor and operate the cloaking device, and to ensure that it was not misused. She died almost immediately, though, and for some reason, the romulans never bothered replacing her.
The Sovereign however was the Battleship though. It's also worth pointing out the Excelsior Class is also a battleship class in ST, as it (since the sovereign didn't exist yet) proved pretty much to be the only cruiser worth it's salt in the dominion war.
memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sovereign_class
memory-alpha.org/wiki/Excelsior_class
memory-alpha.org/wiki/Prometheus_class
memory-alpha.org/wiki/Akira_class
Good rule of thumb with ST Federation ships is if it looks streamlined and compact next to it's peers it's probably a warship.
I suspect the Romulans saw the writing on the wall then and there. Their officer was doomed to Red Shirt status, and they didn't want to waste personell replacing them every week.
It was the smallest non-shuttle ship in service, at only four decks high and 120 meters (roughly 360 feet) in length. Yeah, it's really small, but it's just compact, with all the sciencey, exploration, and luxury BS left out altogether.
Small nitpick: 120m is actually about 400ft.
It's an set of guns strapped to an engine.
Now they just need quintuple-strength forward shields and just start ramming people are warp.
But yeah, that design sketch seems un-'trek looking. The hull looks bigger than the saucer section, and the double-pillar connection between the two just seems... not right. I thought the design trend was towards dropping the pillar altogether, and just having the saucer bit transition directly into the hull- like whatever class Voyager was as well as aforementioned sovereign-class.
Though the recent 'trek re-boot movie actually made the federation ship designs seem practical.
Comparitively speaking it's a Bus parked next to a Lamborghini. The Sovereign (E aka, the First Contact enterprise) is a Lamborghini, and this thing... is the Bus.
It's big, fat and stupid looking, especially compared to the Sovereign, or hell even compared to Voyager.
The networks vesion of the Federation is not as vain as yours? Is that your complaint?
The big one though honestly, is that this isn't the one that won the contest. Infact it wasn't even in the top 100 entries.
If the Enterprise F ends up looking like this, hell if I care.
If they're prepping for war I can imagine they care less about the ship looking slick and more about the ship being functional.
Well in the Star Trek setting, smaller, sleeker ships are better for war. One of the Defiant's best defenses wasn't its shields or armor, but its speed and maneuverability, and the fact that if it's head on with an enemy, it's presenting such a small target. Ultimately, larger ships may pack more firepower, but will be slower and clumsier.
But the USS Enterprise of Starfleet was never a warship, and shouldn't be. As the flagship, it should represent Starfleet's ideals, and, wartime or peacetime, Starfleet is not a military. They can function as a military, which is why all their ships are armed, but it's not their primary purpose. They can build a hundred warships to defend the Federation, and you could make the argument that more of the fleet should be built for war, but the Enterprise should not be.
That's my opinion.
Hm, I guess their phasers are a lot different from what they appear to be then. I've never really seen one miss, never thought it mattered much how big a target you present to them.
Phasers aren't so much the issue as torpedoes. Phasers, as you mentioned, almost never miss, but slower-moving torpedoes pack a helluva wallop. You can't reliably dodge phasers (though, by accident, you might turn at just the right time), but if you can turn fast enough, you can dodge torpedoes with life-saving consistency. You really don't get to see the benefits of small/fast ships in any of the series except DS9, because in TOS, TNG, VOY, and ENT, the main ship is of the large and slow variety.
However, even with the advantages of small/fast ships, it's easier to build large, heavily shielded ships, because you avoid a lot of engineering issues. That's why MOST ships in Starfleet tend to be large vessels, with a crew compliment of a small town. Starfleet has traditionally relied on capital ships to do their fighting, and more than just because that's all they had. It's easier to design, and you end up with a more versatile ship in the end.
If the Phasers aren't very dangerous to large vessels anyway it sounds like you can put them to much better use defending against Torpedos.
If Phasers are so reliable and hardly ever miss, why don't they use them as point-defense? Sounds more efficient then shields to me. Torpedos tend to travel in a mostly straight line, they should be easy targets.
If the Phasers aren't very dangerous to large vessels anyway it sounds like you can put them to much better use defending against Torpedos.
Phasers arn;t very dangerous to large vessels because of the shields. And the torpedos are not really solid objects I don't think.
Did they say that the winner would be the one that was most popular? Seems unlikely.
They had said that "the most popular ships will be taken to a panel of judges at CBS for final approval".
This turd bucket was no where near the most popular.
I guess it's just more proof that CBS just doesn't get why their IP is slowly dying.
Hm, I guess their phasers are a lot different from what they appear to be then. I've never really seen one miss, never thought it mattered much how big a target you present to them.
I've seen the Enterprise miss, and it was usually a small, fast target.
Hm, I guess their phasers are a lot different from what they appear to be then. I've never really seen one miss, never thought it mattered much how big a target you present to them.
I'm more perplexed by the fact that everyone in the Star Trek universe seems to have a gentleman's agreement to pretty much always fight on roughly the same plane. They've got the limitless expanse of 3D space in which to maneuver yet they all slug it out like they're half a breath away from ordering the crew to pull alongside to give the enemy a cannon barrage.
I've seen the Enterprise miss, and it was usually a small, fast target.
Ah ok, I guess it's possible then. I haven't watched all of the episodes (not even close ^^) but it doesn't seem to be a common occurance.
I'm more perplexed by the fact that everyone in the Star Trek universe seems to have a gentleman's agreement to pretty much always fight on roughly the same plane. They've got the limitless expanse of 3D space in which to maneuver yet they all slug it out like they're half a breath away from ordering the crew to pull alongside to give the enemy a cannon barrage.
Probably because long range battles, while making more sense, would be boring as hell to show on the screen
Hm, I guess their phasers are a lot different from what they appear to be then. I've never really seen one miss, never thought it mattered much how big a target you present to them.
I've seen the Enterprise miss, and it was usually a small, fast target.
Which is nonsense, really, when you think about it since phasers are computer aimed and travelling at the speed of light.
I've seen the Enterprise miss, and it was usually a small, fast target.
Ah ok, I guess it's possible then. I haven't watched all of the episodes (not even close ^^) but it doesn't seem to be a common occurance.I'm more perplexed by the fact that everyone in the Star Trek universe seems to have a gentleman's agreement to pretty much always fight on roughly the same plane. They've got the limitless expanse of 3D space in which to maneuver yet they all slug it out like they're half a breath away from ordering the crew to pull alongside to give the enemy a cannon barrage.
Probably because long range battles, while making more sense, would be boring as hell to show on the screen
Doesn'e even have to be long-range, just make use of the fact there is no "up" and attack them from any and every angle that gives the best advantage. I mean why stand nose-to-nose with the Enterprise and exchange blows when you can attack from 90º above and shot directly into the weakest spot on the ship covering the most sensitive area (eg. the skylight over the bridge)?
I guess it doesn't matter, really, cos apparently they've never heard of surge protectors in the future. Any hit anywhere on the ship seems to cause electrical panels to explode on the bridge. Any hit anywhere on the ship seems to be a death sentence for half the bridge crew.
Ah ok, I guess it's possible then. I haven't watched all of the episodes (not even close ^^) but it doesn't seem to be a common occurance.
Remember. Only the best of the best of the best, or an irritating 15 year old kid, can serve on the Enterprise
Probably because long range battles, while making more sense, would be boring as hell to show on the screen
Hm, I guess their phasers are a lot different from what they appear to be then. I've never really seen one miss, never thought it mattered much how big a target you present to them.
I've seen the Enterprise miss, and it was usually a small, fast target.
Which is nonsense, really, when you think about it since phasers are computer aimed and travelling at the speed of light.
Which makes for more nonsense when they fire the damned things while fighting at warp speeds (faster than light) and actually hit other things also going at warp speeds.
DS9 featured more than one battle that saw the ships using space as they should. Attacks from above, below, varying angles, etc. The Dominion War was good for that sort of visual. Lots an' lots o' ships means lots an' lots o' maneuvering.
EDIT: I believe most battles also occur at speeds slower than warp. Warp has been used in battle as a tactic (Picard Maneuver) but, IIRC, battles are fought at Impulse.