I support Human cloning for all those lonely freaks who want a Clone of Jessica Alba, and I support Human cloning for those crazies who want to shoot and kill George W. over and over again. If Bob wants a pet Dragon or a living space ship, I support the Genetic engineering and cloning necessary to create it.
If you can imagine a reason for human cloning and Genetic engineering - I support it.
I want a...genetically engineered bowling alley!
That would be awesome!
It could have kidney stones that we used for bowling balls!
nb4lock
Bribing your cloner to make a Y chromosome an X?: $50
Doing yourself?: Priceless.
Cloning yourself?: $4,000,000,000
Bribing your cloner to make a Y chromosome an X?: $50
Doing yourself?: Priceless.
Imagine if you didn't change that chromosome... is it gay, or masturbation?
(Shameless Robot Chicken stolen joke)
Imagine if you didn't change that chromosome... is it gay, or masturbation?
Probably more like incest.
Still, despite the absurdity (Pigknight, that was funny as Hell btw), you know there's some ppl out there going, "Well, this is probably the only way I'll con my girl into a 3-way..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6ft0j0Ok2E
I support Human cloning for all those lonely freaks who want a Clone of Jessica Alba, and I support Human cloning for those crazies who want to shoot and kill George W. over and over again.
While I am seriously tempted by both of these prospects, that doesn't seem too different from slavery and murder, clone or no clone.
I think the fact that I know that these are slavery and murder and still feel tempted might say a lot more about me than my support for human cloning.
oh and, nb4block
Time of the Devil's Advocate. Problems with genetic engineering and cloning. Technically, and infinite number of GW Bush clones can run for president (they are not the same person so it would be allowed.) There would be an even higher global population speeding up the inevitable passing of the Max Q (which is the maximum number of a species that can exist at one time before an ecological breakdown and mass reduction of the population through starvation or loss of habitat.) People who should be dead get the chance to stay alive (like say, infamous terrorist masterminds whose life could be extended.) the rich (who are the only ones who can afford all of this) never die and effectivly manage to create a new aristocracy that can control the world population forever, most senators, federal judges, congressmen, and political movers can extend their lives and without term limits (which can only be implemented by them) can stay in power almost indefinitely. A popular president will just clone themselves can have the clones run again. Thus the world goes to hell as the world over populates as life expectancy increases save the few who have the resources to never die of relinquish power. Sounds like a good idea now?
oh and, nb4block
Yes, because most of that is nonsense. When you clone yourself, you do not create an identical copy. The clone has your genetic material, but it still takes eighteen years to mature, and during that time it will have its own experiences and develop its own outlook on the world. W's clone running for president is no more scary than his brother running for president, something some people believe is still likely to happen.
The aristocracy already have ample methods of perpetuating their family's wealth and power, and I don't see how cloning would be any more effective than the old fashioned way of extending your influence into the next generation: fathering legions of bastard children.
Cloning will not keep you alive forever, and the original will only be as good a predictor of the clone's personality as one identical twin is of another.
As for overpopulation, that is already a problem that we seem to be perfectly capable of exacerbating just by following our own perverse urges. I highly doubt that cloning will ever be a primary means of reproduction. It's cheaper and faster for two kids in the back of a volkswagen to make a baby than a cloning facility, and will be for a very long time. We will have to devise a solution to natural, Malthusian overpopulation regardless of whether or not we get to the point of mass-produced, independent clones (raised by whom?), and probably long, long before such a fantasy becomes even close to viable (why would you do such a thing anyway?).
Basically this is run-of-the-mill panic mongering.
Cloning will not keep you alive forever,
That's why we need Ghost in the Shell style cyber-brains and bionics. Let the age of the technosapien begin.
That's why we need Ghost in the Shell style cyber-brains and bionics. Let the age of the technosapien begin.
I don't really believe that is possible. Even if you manage to download your intelligence into a computer (which I am not convinced will ever be possible), you won't live forever. There is no continuity of being with between your consciousness and the one in the computer. You've just created another being who shares your memories and will live forever, but the you sitting in the chair with a USB cord running out of your head will still grow old and die. Besides, the new creature may share memories, but he won't share your brain chemistry because he won't have any brain chemistry at all, so his reaction to stimuli will not be "your" reaction, but "your" reaction as modulated and approximated by machines based on past measurements of your changing brain chemistry.
The only way to live forever is to keep the one brain in your head right now alive, attached to organs that it can regulate as if they were your own. Anything else is just making duplicates of yourself to live out eternity while you rot like you always would have.
... no, not sure how much relevance that really has, but I liked it.
The only way to live forever is to keep the one brain in your head right now alive, attached to organs that it can regulate as if they were your own. Anything else is just making duplicates of yourself to live out eternity while you rot like you always would have.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the GitS-style cyber-brain actually houses, protects, and allows for the nourishment and preservation of the organic brain.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the GitS-style cyber-brain actually houses, protects, and allows for the nourishment and preservation of the organic brain.
Not sure about that. I guess I should have looked up what "ghost in the shell style" meant before I replied.
Probably more like incest.
Still, despite the absurdity (Pigknight, that was funny as Hell btw), you know there's some ppl out there going, "Well, this is probably the only way I'll con my girl into a 3-way..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6ft0j0Ok2E
Both an interesting idea and an interesting band. But that one guy sure is trying hard to be taken for Andrew Eldritch, isn't he?Policeman shot in the line of duty needs a new Kidney? Grow one in a vat. His own. From stem cells extracted from his blood. We can do it now in small quantities... How long till we can do it reliably for cheap (in medical terms)?
Need a heart? Liver? Lung? Hell, you have diabetes? We'll grow you a pancreas. Your own cells, so no anti-rejection drugs needed.
I also support the creation of a technology to create cloned bodies with linked minds so that I can be in 20 places at once, as a distributed hive mind entity.
Also, this.
Asimov's Clone Song
The Clone Song
By: Isaac Asimov
Tune: Home On The Range
Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And after it's grown,
Then my own little clone
Will be of the opposite sex.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
Oh, give me a clone,
Is my sorrowful moan,
A clone that is wholly my own.
And if she's X-X,
And the feminine sex,
Oh, what fun we will have when we're prone.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
My heart's not of stone,
As I've frequently shone
When alone with my own little X.
And after we've dined,
I am sure we will find
Better incest then Oedipus Rex.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
Why should such sex vex,
Or disturb or perplex,
Or induce a disparaging tone?
After all, don't you see,
Since we're both of us me,
When we're having sex, I'm alone.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
And after I'm done
She will still have her fun,
For I'll clone myself twice ere I die.
And this time without fail,
They'll be both of them male,
And they'll each ravage her by and by.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
The Clone Song
By: Isaac Asimov
Tune: Home On The Range
Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And after it's grown,
Then my own little clone
Will be of the opposite sex.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
Oh, give me a clone,
Is my sorrowful moan,
A clone that is wholly my own.
And if she's X-X,
And the feminine sex,
Oh, what fun we will have when we're prone.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
My heart's not of stone,
As I've frequently shone
When alone with my own little X.
And after we've dined,
I am sure we will find
Better incest then Oedipus Rex.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
Why should such sex vex,
Or disturb or perplex,
Or induce a disparaging tone?
After all, don't you see,
Since we're both of us me,
When we're having sex, I'm alone.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
And after I'm done
She will still have her fun,
For I'll clone myself twice ere I die.
And this time without fail,
They'll be both of them male,
And they'll each ravage her by and by.
Clone, clone of my own,
With its Y chromosome changed to X.
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
I am for cloning of myself, but I am against anyone else being cloned.