If a vampire drinks wine transubstantiated into Christ's blood...

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#1

julescarv

Apr 19, 2009 13:08:59
I'm curious: let's say that a priest transubstantiated wine into the blood of the Christ. Then let's say a vampire drunk it. Let's suppose that both vampires and transubstantiation are real. What would happen?

My take:

-It would nourish the vampire, after a fashion. No, if you put transubstantiated wine under a microscope, you wouldn't find any erythrocytes, platelets, white blood cells, or any of the other normal physical aspects of blood, but that's not what nourishes a true vampire (as opposed to, say, a vampire bat) anyway. It's the spiritual, metaphysical stuff about blood which nourishes a vampire, and the Eucharist alters the spiritual, metaphysical nature of the liquid into blood.

-You might say that only some priests (True Believers or something) are actually capable of inducing the miracle of the Eucharist -- they'd probably be the same ones who can actually repel a vampire with a cross or something. In cases where the priest isn't a True Believer, the wine would just taste like wine to a vampire and provide none of the nourishing aspects of blood.

-Because this is Christ's blood, it is an anethema to vampiric nature. The nature of the blood simultaneously nourishes (like ordinary blood) and destroys (like holy water) the vampire's body, while tending to redeem the vampire's soul.

-Christ's blood is addictive. It tastes better than any other type of blood (in spite of the fact that it's actually killing the vampire who drinks it). As the vampire drinks more and more of it, its desire for regular human blood is diminished, and its vampiric abilities (like the ability to entrance people, superhuman strength, etc) decline. Eventually, after drinking enough of Christ's blood, the vampire lies down in its haven/coffin/whatever one morning before sunrise, and never gets up the next evening -- truly dying over the course of the day in its "sleep."

What do you think?
#2

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 13:12:11
I think

What I Think
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#3

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 13:42:50
It's an interesting idea, Jules.

Also, pig, I don't think this would be locked, since it's not really a religious 'discussion'.
#4

ranadiel

Apr 19, 2009 13:47:10
The vampire gets burned from the inside out since it would be roughly the equivilent of the vampire drinking holy water. Only difference would be that, based on my understanding of the theoretical vampire physiology, the wine if drunk in the manner of blood would go striaght to the vampires veins so it would be infinitly more painful as it eroded the entirity of his body as it is pumped around the body.
#5

Rustmonster

Apr 19, 2009 13:47:18
Also, pig, I don't think this would be locked, since it's not really a religious 'discussion'.

Yeah, it's more along the lines of:

"Okey guys, let's say there is a battle between Chuck Norris, a werewolf, and Jesus. Who would win?"
#6

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 13:53:02
Yeah, it's more along the lines of:

"Okey guys, let's say there is a battle between Chuck Norris, a werewolf, and Jesus. Who would win?"

Chuck Norris always wins.
#7

That_Blasted_Somoflange

Apr 19, 2009 14:05:38
It wouldn't do anything at all, for one simple reason.

Christ is make believe.
#8

s-marrow

Apr 19, 2009 14:06:40
I put my bets on Zombie Jesus.

This begs the question of whether a vampire could ingest enough of a quantity of Jesus wine to be destroyed by it. Assuming that hold water burns the flesh of the undead simply by touch, would there not be a gag reflex before the liquid entered whatever organ the vampire possesses to digest blood?

Also, I would assume that the veins of the vampire would be destroyed before they had a chance to deliver the blood to the heart, in which case the vampire would not be destroyed, but severely weakened.
#9

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 14:08:05
It wouldn't do anything at all, for one simple reason.

Christ is make believe.

Dammit.

Look, SOME people here believe in Christ*, and it's not cool to diss 'em like that. Can you edit your post so we don't get this thread locked?

Kthx.

*I'm not one of 'em, but still. It just ain't kewl to do that.
#10

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 14:09:02
I put my bets on Zombie Jesus.

This begs the question of whether a vampire could ingest enough of a quantity of Jesus wine to be destroyed by it. Assuming that hold water burns the flesh of the undead simply by touch, would there not be a gag reflex before the liquid entered whatever organ the vampire possesses to digest blood?

Also, I would assume that the veins of the vampire would be destroyed before they had a chance to deliver the blood to the heart, in which case the vampire would not be destroyed, but severely weakened.

And then Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks Zombie Jesus and wins.
#11

Rustmonster

Apr 19, 2009 14:10:39
And then Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks Zombie Jesus and wins.

But he's Zombie Jesus. He'll just Second Come-back.
#12

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 14:15:05
But he already did that. It was a one-time power. To use it again, he needs to sacrifice himself for humanity again.

So Chuck Norris still wins.

He'd still win, even if Zombie Jesus could rez himself at will.

Cuz Chuck Norris is that awesome.
#13

s-marrow

Apr 19, 2009 14:21:27
That's a common misconception. According to RAW, he just has to wait a few thousand years for the power to recharge.
#14

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 14:24:03
Well, he doesn't HAVE that time when Norris is roundhouse kicking him.
#15

oxybe

Apr 19, 2009 14:26:02
i dunno... Jesus just keeps coming back though... i have a screen cap...
#16

julescarv

Apr 19, 2009 14:27:56
It wouldn't do anything at all, for one simple reason.

Christ is make believe.

Well, what about vampires? I'd say they're make-believe, personally, but I was just stipulating their existence for the purposes of this post.
#17

oxybe

Apr 19, 2009 14:34:27
I'm sure that vampires are real.

as real as the black shroud that covers my heart
#18

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 14:36:22
i dunno... Jesus just keeps coming back though... i have a screen cap...
#19

Rustmonster

Apr 19, 2009 14:48:32
But Judas is inept.

But he keeps camping the rail gun spawn, so he just keeps fragging Jesus after he respawns.
#20

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 14:50:17
But he keeps camping the rail gun spawn, so he just keeps fragging Jesus after he respawns.

Which is why he is inept. If it was me, I'd get a high level caster to cast miracle and keep Jesus dead.
#21

Rustmonster

Apr 19, 2009 14:52:34
Which is why he is inept. If it was me, I'd get a high level caster to cast miracle and keep Jesus dead.

So he's the Tarrasque now?

Jeez, that's a battle I'd like to see.
#22

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 14:54:56
The Tarrasque is the Jesus of D&D, except Jesus preached good things, while the Tarrasque just eats people and busts up cities for fun.

Does that make the Tarrasque the Anti-Christ?
#23

Rustmonster

Apr 19, 2009 14:56:57
Does that make the Tarrasque the Anti-Christ?

Yes, which is why they must battle.
#24

oxybe

Apr 19, 2009 15:01:20
question: does zombie jesus get a megazord to fight the terrasque? i mean... size advantage much?
#25

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 15:08:09
No, Zombie Jesus is so awesome that he doesn't need a Megazord.
#26

oxybe

Apr 19, 2009 15:11:51
Rebuttal: Zombie Jesus IN A ROBOT DINOSAUR.
#27

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 15:13:43
HE DON'T NEED IT.

He can take the Tarrasque out by himself.
#28

s-marrow

Apr 19, 2009 15:14:48
Which is why he is inept. If it was me, I'd get a high level caster to cast miracle and keep Jesus dead.

Zombie Jesus is immune to all divine abilities. As well as any necrotic abilities.
#29

oxybe

Apr 19, 2009 15:19:27
Rebuttal:
Who cares if ZJ doesn't need it! CoDzilla doesn't need a lot of stuff but he's still given some love! my point still stands.... it's the Goshdarn Zombie Motherfriggin Jesus IN A ROBOT DINOSAUR.
#30

Rustmonster

Apr 19, 2009 15:26:31
Rebuttal: Zombie Jesus IN A ROBOT DINOSAUR.

Did Jesus ride dinosaurs? We don't know.

But he probably did!

http://overcompensating.com/posts/20071030.html
#31

oxybe

Apr 19, 2009 15:33:46
see, they should use that to help convert new Christians. i mean, our lord and savior rushing through the desert on his faithful steed to save us from our sins and spread awesomeness?

Jesus +Raptor = win
#32

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 17:01:46
Jesus is a shaman.
#33

goblin_pride

Apr 19, 2009 17:20:22
Zombie Jesus can't resurrect himself, he's a zombie. Chuck Norris still wins.


How did this get to two pages before it got closed?
#34

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 17:34:25
No freakin clue
#35

goblin_pride

Apr 19, 2009 22:09:52
No freakin clue

Would it be completely wrong to jack this thread and start discussing lycanthope politics?


In Before Lock.
#36

s-marrow

Apr 19, 2009 22:48:48
Sounds like a noble endeavor to me.
#37

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 22:50:23
Furry Pride!
#38

s-marrow

Apr 19, 2009 22:52:13
Yes. And there goes the nobility.
#39

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 22:53:16
Jesus is a shaman.

Care to elaborate on this assertion?
#40

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 22:54:47
Jesus can cast waterwalk and reincarnation (with a 3 day casting time).
#41

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 22:59:06
Ahh. OK.

Does that mean he has a spirit companion?
#42

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 23:02:13
lrn2wow or gtfo
#43

s-marrow

Apr 19, 2009 23:02:53
Sure. The Holy Ghost.

*waits expectantly for a stray lightning bolt*
#44

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 23:03:55
lrn2wow or gtfo?

Huh? I understand the meaning of those acronyms piggy, but all I can say in response is: Huh?
#45

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 23:04:55
Look up the shaman spells in WoW...
#46

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 23:06:19
I don't play WoW anymore, and I only played a Warlock.

(controversial statement)
#47

goblin_pride

Apr 19, 2009 23:21:55
Furry Pride!

That's just wrong, my porcine lesser noble friend.
#48

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 23:23:14
I support that statement
#49

s-marrow

Apr 19, 2009 23:24:30
*S-marrow tires of waiting for lightning bolts and attempts a high-level summon spell*

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Zombie Jesus Level 33 Solo Controller
Medium Immortal Human (undead angel) XP 155,000

Initiative +30 Senses see omniscience
HP 888; Bloodied 750; see also suffering for your sins
AC 49; Fortitude 42, Reflex 48, Will 66
Immune fear, disease, poison, divine, petrification; Resist 80 radiant, 80 necrotic
Saving Throws see savior
Speed 4, see water walk
Action Points: 3

Zombie Jesus Grab (standard, at will) Radiant
+34 vs Reflex; 2d12+12 radiant damage and the target is grabbed. Checks made to escape Zombie Jesus' grab take a -10 penalty.

Gnaw (standard, at will) Necrotic
Target must be grabbed; +36 vs. AC; 3d12 + 12 damage, and the target takes ongoing 15 necrotic damage (save ends)

Holy Ghost (standard, recharge 6)
Zombie Jesus restores his bloodied value worth of hitpoints. All creatures in close burst 10 take an attack; +37 vs. Will; Targets hit are dominated until the end of Zombie Jesus' next turn.

Trinity (Immediate Interrupt) Conjuration
When Zombie Jesus has 3 action points and uses 1, he can also use the remaining action points to summon The Father, and The Holy Ghost. He can sustain these summon creatures as a minor action.


Suffering for your sins (while bloodied)
When Zombie Jesus is bloodied, all living creatures within burst 1000 save against all effects.

Water walk
Zombie Jesus can walk on water and may turn a 1d10 area of water into wine as a minor action.

Saviour
Whenever an attack applies an effect to Zombie Jesus that a save can end, he immediately saves. Zombie Jesus can also cause any other target to succeed on a saving throw as a free action.

Omniscience
Zombie Jesus knows where everything is and does not take a penalty when attacking targets which are invisible or concealed.


Rise again (when reduced to 0 hitpoints)
Zombie Jesus disappears in a flash of light when killed and he is restored to full hit points after 3 days.
#50

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 23:24:46
Why does everyone hate furries?
#51

goblin_pride

Apr 19, 2009 23:27:15
Why does everyone hate furries?

It's a chicken thing.

Read your Pratchett if you don't understand.
#52

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 23:27:42
Pig, turn off your filter and do an image search on furries. The utter perversion that you will see is why they are hated so much.
#53

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 23:28:54
I just add most of the stuff to my porn stash. For every fetish there is some freaky stuff...
#54

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 23:31:38
I just add most of the stuff to my porn stash. For every fetish there is some freaky stuff...

Wait, wha..?

I didn't know that Christians watched porn! I thought it was against the rules....

At least according to my neighbors.
#55

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 23:35:36
God cares if you're a good person or not.

GOD: Welcome to Pardise!

Old Skool Lady: Woo!

GOD: Yo! Dan you got the stuff?

Me: Ya, I grabbed my copy of "Tentacles and Fur VII" as I had a heart attack.

GOD: Cool, let me get my Blu-Ray *goes off*

Old Skool Lady: I'm confused...
#56

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 23:37:15
I think I'm gonna continue this discussion with you in PM. I have a few questions for ya. Don't worry, I'm gonna be respectful of your faith.
#57

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 23:39:25
No Bane, Tentacles and Fur VII isn't a real porno.
#58

baneofelves

Apr 19, 2009 23:41:12
I don't watch porn anymore.
#59

pigknight

Apr 19, 2009 23:43:01
It may be a hentai...

...There's probably gonna be a Google hit.
#60

s-marrow

Apr 20, 2009 0:04:25
Would it be completely wrong to jack this thread and start discussing lycanthope politics?


In Before Lock.

I wonder, do you think lycanthropes as a party would be considered representative of their own minority group?

I wish this was real so much.

Interviewer: So, candidate Smith, how do you stand on the education issues as related to the family?
Lycanthrope Rep: Well, Bill, I believe we as a nation need to get back to our fundamentals. Strengthen the moral development of our children starting with the family.
Interviewer: I see...and what would you say that entails?
Lycanthrope Rep: Well, core family values should be installed through a present mother and father figure, regular attendance of church, and throwing the child out into the wilderness at the age of seven.
Interviewer: I see....I see....wait, what?

Sorry. Let my imagination run rampart for a moment there.
#61

baneofelves

Apr 20, 2009 0:09:52
It may be a hentai...

...There's probably gonna be a Google hit.

I don't watch hentai either. I prefer to keep my computer virus free.
#62

pigknight

Apr 20, 2009 16:56:52
Thank the Lord for Norton.
#63

baneofelves

Apr 20, 2009 17:04:59
Norton Antivirus sucks.
#64

pigknight

Apr 20, 2009 17:07:36
Mine works good. :P
#65

baneofelves

Apr 20, 2009 17:11:26
I (and just about everyone I know) have had a bad experience with Norton. BAD.
#66

pigknight

Apr 20, 2009 17:12:13
They got rid of most of the annoying features in the new version.

No longer does it pop up randomly!
#67

baneofelves

Apr 20, 2009 17:15:21
I just stay away from infected sites now.
#68

pigknight

Apr 20, 2009 17:16:28
Irony: Hookers give you an STD.

Porn sites give your computer an STD.
#69

baneofelves

Apr 20, 2009 17:18:40
And antivirus stuff is the condom of computers.

Man, I have such a bad headache. I hope Gronk! is happy with the Shaman I sent him. Building Shamans are hard.
#70

delodarkmagic92132

Apr 21, 2009 15:54:39
I hate to break it to you, but anti-virus stuff is sort of the "anti-condom" of computers. My dad installed McAfee and it keeps telling him that Neverwinter Nights is a "minor Trojan" that needs to be removed! It's madness

Even more Irony: Trojans are condoms, yet your computer gets infected with them
#71

zombie_babies

Apr 21, 2009 16:01:37
Hey guys, just use PCCillin and all will be well. For reals. Norton? McAffe? Wow.
#72

s-marrow

Apr 21, 2009 16:08:00
...I wonder...by popular agreement, vampires and other undead burn when they are touched with hold water. Do you think they would release enough energy in this fashion to be used in a holy water fueled, vampire powered engine?




Also, shouldn't it be more ironic that Trojans are condoms?
#73

delodarkmagic92132

Apr 21, 2009 19:58:59
are you saying we can use this holy water/vampire energy to power engines for cars? because that is awesome! all we need is a vampire to test this theory, although i don't know where we can find one

And yes it is ironic Trojans are condoms, somewhere along the line someone thought it was funny to call infected files trojans and cause us all confusion.
#74

pigknight

Apr 21, 2009 20:37:51
Trojans allow backdoor access. Both kinds.
#75

s-marrow

Apr 22, 2009 7:34:41
Now if we could get one of those sparkly vampires, we could make some cheap headlights....

#76

delodarkmagic92132

Apr 23, 2009 21:10:31
Trojans allow backdoor access. Both kinds.

I'd rather not have to deal with either of those kinds of access.

On the case of sparkly vampires, we could steal that guy who plays Edward in those Twilight movies. Just a thought. I really like the illustration, it works perfectly.
#77

s-marrow

Apr 23, 2009 21:39:02
I don't really watch movies, and especially not ones with angsty, sparkly vampires, so I'm not actually sure how the sparkly function is supposed to work. I'm too afraid the research on the subject would harm me before I could make a workable mechanism for it.

Oh well. Seriously though. Edward? Eddie the vampire? How could it have been more easy to make fun of?
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