If we were to have a new Continental Congress, what do you think would happen?

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#1

EscherEnigma

Mar 25, 2010 18:27:25
That is to say, if the constitution of the USA was being re-drawn, how do you think it would be different?

For one thing, I imagine state lines would be all sorts of whacky re-drawn.  With the huge population differences in place, the compromise of the house (representation based on population) and senate (representation based on being a state) would be unacceptable as the balance of power is all out of whack.  So that's one thing.

Another obvious thing is that the language of the constitution would probably be more inclusive, at least with women (fun fact: national constitutions drawn up in this century have, by and large, been more fair in their treatment of women then older ones.)

What else do people think would change?  Would we actually end up with one nation?  Multiple nations?  More broad powers for the federal government?  More explicit "hands off" langauge as far as federal/state separation?

Other thoughts?

#2

williamhm75

Mar 25, 2010 19:48:04
Honestly it would be a giant mess given the current climate, I know what changes I'd like to see, but our system was designed to prevent change, which means we have maybe 50-60 years as a united country before we become A an empire or B several smaller countries.  I'd like to see the electorial colledge removed and all votes decided directly by popular vote.  I'd like to see state governments with fewer rights, ie national standards for schools, national curriculum set for schools.  Right to bear arms defined/limited.  Definition of marriage defined and broadend.   TERM limits on senators for the love of god we need this badly.  Easier set up for third parties to enter the system.
#3

yellowdingo

Mar 26, 2010 18:32:05

You could just as well see the dissolution of Mainland States and the formation of a Single Mainland State. Without the Factionalism of States, the Continental Congress would make a bid for Canada so that it doesnt lose Alaska as an isolated Territory.

A State where every vote has an equal Value.

It would no longer be called the USA, rather you might expect a name like the Union of America (U. A.). So the UA would need a single City where the entire Population Lived (population limit: 1 billion). Lets call it UTOPIA CITY.

#4

EscherEnigma

Mar 26, 2010 21:20:48
So the UA would need a single City where the entire Population Lived (population limit: 1 billion). Lets call it UTOPIA CITY.


That reminds me...

If you take the population of the USA (roughly 300 million) and the population density of Manhattan (roughly 71,000 people per square mile) you could fit the entire pop of the USA into 4,250 square miles, which is about a thousand square miles smaller then Connecticut.
#5

darkspartan

Mar 26, 2010 22:32:24
I wouldn't expect new Constitution, frankly. I would expect the entire mess would shred what little stability we do have. Certainly, there wouldn't be a new Republic.

I find it more likely we'll have a bloodbath until one comes to the fore, and the seizure of power in a new American Empire, or everyone will take arms as the Convention started bowing to pressure from SIGs and lobbyists.

A sealed Convention might cut that down a little, but expect anyone that was a part of it to find their Careers destroyed. Oh, and figure the Financial Centers will be even worse off, as they change to new Currency

-Sarena
#6

zammm

Mar 27, 2010 1:35:46
You could just as well see the dissolution of Mainland States and the formation of a Single Mainland State. Without the Factionalism of States, the Continental Congress would make a bid for Canada so that it doesnt lose Alaska as an isolated Territory.

You can take my maple leaf when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers, thanks all the same.
#7

EscherEnigma

Mar 27, 2010 1:47:12
According to Fallout, those fingers won't be cold and dead, they'll be irradiated and dead.  And extra crispy.
#8

yellowdingo

Mar 27, 2010 1:58:43
You could just as well see the dissolution of Mainland States and the formation of a Single Mainland State. Without the Factionalism of States, the Continental Congress would make a bid for Canada so that it doesnt lose Alaska as an isolated Territory.

You can take my maple leaf when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers, thanks all the same.



I suggest you check out the footage from Fallout 1. They invade and Occupy Canada while your own government betrayed you to them.
#9

zammm

Mar 27, 2010 2:37:20
Fallout, Shmallout. The beaver's a rodent, and nothing can get rid of rodents for good.
#10

darkspartan

Mar 28, 2010 0:42:22
Fallout, Shmallout. The beaver's a rodent, and nothing can get rid of rodents for good.


Duly noted and will be taken into account.
#11

feyberry

Mar 30, 2010 1:58:02
Nothing at all or complete anarchy and civil war that ends with the dissolution of the United States as it's known.
#12

boraxe

Mar 30, 2010 11:22:20
…complete anarchy and civil war that ends with the dissolution of the United States as it's known.


This. When an attempt to give all Americans affordable healthcare than cannot be taken away inspires hateful rhetoric, threats and violencethere is nowhere to go but down.

A lot of folks treat the US Constitution like it is a holy scripture, a new Bible sent down by God himself. Any attempt to change, revise or replace it would be met with violence and murder largely, I suspect, by people who probably have never even read the damned thing.

I'm a Canadian and I've read it - and not just cursorily, but in-depth seeking full comprehension - and that is the absolute least that should be expected of every American. People who claim the document is practically sacrosanct should be required to both read and understand it.
#13

lofgren

Mar 30, 2010 11:37:18
I think a continental congress is a once-in-the-history of a country thing, probably.  More feasible to abandon a written constitution like England but allow the existing consitutional provisions to exist as normal laws to be modified over time.  Sort of like UK still traces the source of many of their insitutions and laws back to English Common Law, Magna Carta, and some other significant documents, but does not actually consider those documents binding precedent.
#14

mellored

Apr 01, 2010 14:28:03
People who claim the document is practically sacrosanct should be required to both read and understand it.

You know that applies to alot of different documents, not just the constitution.

But i suppose it's human nature to worship things we don't understand.
#15

toastedamphibian

Apr 01, 2010 18:44:47
I'm still waiting for the prayers of my followers to reach my ears...
#16

darkspartan

Apr 02, 2010 0:39:31
If you want some scary reading, try the USA PATRIOT act.

-Sarena
#17

dirtyfrank

Apr 02, 2010 11:46:06
If you take the population of the USA (roughly 300 million) and the population density of Manhattan (roughly 71,000 people per square mile) you could fit the entire pop of the USA into 4,250 square miles, which is about a thousand square miles smaller then Connecticut.

That means a lot of farm land which means lots of food. Starvation solved. ;)

When an attempt to give all Americans affordable healthcare than cannot be taken away inspires hateful rhetoric, threats and violence there is nowhere to go but down.

There is a difference between providing affordable healthcare options and making healthcare mandatory. It's usually taking out the choice that gets most americans mad. ;)

A lot of folks treat the US Constitution like it is a holy scripture, a new Bible sent down by God himself. Any attempt to change, revise or replace it would be met with violence and murder largely, I suspect, by people who probably have never even read the damned thing.

pretty much yep.

As for the topic.

With the way things have been shifting in US history i'd say that any new constitution would be designed for federal government with as much power as we see ours with today or with more. The executive branch would probably be quite powerful. I don't see the redrawing of state lines happening as EE seems to. Well not unless a document supporting an uber strong federal government is passed by the states. Also likely states rights will likely get shat on. That would likely cause states like Texas to leave the union. Probably followed closely there after by several other southern states. They may or may not form their own nation(s) and the north may or may not invade. Likely would though. A bill for a strong national government would also likely have in there something about having national healthcare and for it to be mandatory.

Now iirc we have an amendment guaranteeing rights and such for minorities/colored people but there has not been one made for women. My guess is that a new constitution might include women in its speech but if it didn't the probably only way i'd see them to be included would be with the south leaving the union. i say this because iirc it is mainly southern states that didn't allow the amendment to get passed. Also i see wash DC fighting to have their own voting representatives in congress but under the new document my guess is that congress wont be as powerful as it is now.

hmmm. I guess I'll say that the country would fracture a bit forming some smaller independent countries in the south with the rest of it becoming a power hungry soon to become a tyrannical big brother government. Then i'll go and say the big government would reconquer the south. Then maybe followed by tons of war parades.

#18

boraxe

Apr 06, 2010 8:57:31
People who claim the document is practically sacrosanct should be required to both read and understand it.

You know that applies to alot of different documents, not just the constitution.


Of course. To hold something as truth one must understand that truth. That's the reason I've read so much about evolution - starting with Darwin and working both forwards and backwards through those who built upon his work and those upon whose work he built. Acceptance without knowledge and understanding is merely faith and leaves a lot of room for misunderstanding and error.

But i suppose it's human nature to worship things we don't understand.


Worship things we don't understanding is the basis for all religion.