I can understand that typing is becoming an important skill to have, but as long as your expected to slap your signature on every contract and check, cursive writing is still an important skill to have.
What in the hell is happening to education in this country?!
What the...?
What in the hell is happening to education in this country?!
What did you expect? Education has turned into training people for jobs. What is cursive going to do for kids when they are trying to figure out which picture on the register super sizes your meal?
What the...?
What in the hell is happening to education in this country?!
What did you expect? Education has turned into training people for jobs. What is cursive going to do for kids when they are trying to figure out which picture on the register super sizes your meal?
"Require" should be in the title, but I cannot alter it now that someone has replied.
It's RH's fault. He did it on purpose. What a jerk
By the way.. even your signature doesn't require cursive. For the last 6 months I've been signing all my credit card purchases with pictures. No one notices.
I am on the fence as to whether or not cursive should be required curriculum. There is a certain elegance to writing in cursive, and I still prefer cursive for hand written memos and letters. I wonder if perhaps the kids will have a better head start going straight to typing after learning printing?
I was trying to think of another example of something that used to be taught, but for one reason or another, is not considered necessary in contemporary curriculums.
I was trying to think of another example of something that used to be taught, but for one reason or another, is not considered necessary in contemporary curriculums.
Critical thinking comes to mind...
Darn, I was hoping to get a gold star before I kicked the bucket....
I much prefer writing in cursive. I still take notes by hand in all of my classes and in all of the meetings that I attend, and I just find writing in cursive to be much faster and more efficient.
Digital recorder... buy one. It'll make your life easier.
I was trying to think of another example of something that used to be taught, but for one reason or another, is not considered necessary in contemporary curriculums.
Critical thinking comes to mind...
I hope critical thinking and philosophy are still available as electives (like p.e. has become) They both should be required.
I was contemplating some outdated things like calligraphy, slide rule, abacus and morse code.
At the beginning of the last English class I took in university, the professor said she required written work to use cursive, but she ended up having to drop that requirement because 90% of the class either hadn't used it in years and couldn't remember how or hadn't been taught it at all.
Digital recorder... buy one. It'll make your life easier.
Ew, no, I hate those things.
And they're so bad for you when it comes to studying.It really is a shame that taking notes by hand is becoming such a lost art. =/
Ew, no, I hate those things.
You're insane. They are awesome for studying. You can walk around campus listening to your lectures.
It really is a shame that taking notes by hand is becoming such a lost art. =/
You can always type them.
I much prefer writing in cursive. I still take notes by hand in all of my classes and in all of the meetings that I attend, and I just find writing in cursive to be much faster and more efficient.
I have to agree that taking notes in cursive is most efficient, and I feel that writing something down as it is being spoken assists in retention.
But digital recorders rule in the case of accelerated speakers in meetings, or if you are planning on quoting someone.
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I can understand that typing is becoming an important skill to have, but as long as your expected to slap your signature on every contract and check, cursive writing is still an important skill to have.
People still use checks? And I rarely sign stuff by hand anymore, we have digital signatures for that.
People still use checks? And I rarely sign stuff by hand anymore, we have digital signatures for that.
It generially how I pay my bills. I use a debit card for about anything else.
It sucks to because honestly cursive is very easy on the hand if you have to write for prolonged periods of time.
Most of the time my print is still very heavily influenced into resembling cursive. I just can't write in pure print, even when I try to.
Cursive is faster to write for me, and it keeps my writing legible, or from becoming so small you can't read it.
I was trying to think of another example of something that used to be taught, but for one reason or another, is not considered necessary in contemporary curriculums.
Critical thinking comes to mind...
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So yeah... not sure this is a loss.
Most of the time my print is still very heavily influenced into resembling cursive. I just can't write in pure print, even when I try to.
My printing is definitely influenced by cursive as well--it flows from letter to letter, and the faster I write, the more the general shape and flow approaches cursive. I never stoop to using the letter shapes that diverge from their printed counterparts, though; those things always irritated the heck out of me in school.
What the...?
What in the hell is happening to education in this country?!
What did you expect? Education has turned into training people for jobs. What is cursive going to do for kids when they are trying to figure out which picture on the register super sizes your meal?
Has turned into? It always was. Public education was instigated by industrialists who needed a workforce that could read, write, and add.
Also good riddance to cursive. You'll rarely hear me say this, but I think it's a pointless thing to teach. It's not as artistically valuable as calligraphy, as fast as shorthand, or useful as straight printing. Also it's not like typography or the art of words is going away with it. Cursive just isn't useful on its own.
As far as signatures are concerned: my signature is derived from printing. Really the only issue with a signature is that it's consistent and unique enough.
But everytime I use my credit card I feel my parents take more and more of my soul. <(QoQ<)
Back when I wrote poetry a lot (I barely write anymore) it was in cursive.
You're insane.
In all the best ways.
They are awesome for studying. You can walk around campus listening to your lectures.
Which sounds good in theory, but it just has too many drawbacks. For example, I retain information far better when I see it than when I hear it. Also, I can read much faster than most professors can lecture, so it takes foooreeeveeer to listen to a lecture again compared to just reading over my notes.
You can always type them.
I could, but there's not too much of a point in doing that when I already have it written in cursive.
But digital recorders rule in the case of accelerated speakers in meetings, or if you are planning on quoting someone.
The beauty of cursive is that it's not too difficult to keep up with most speakers once you've gotten the hang of it. And as far as quotes go, I've never met a single professor that cared about them that badly. Paraphrasing is always fine.
Because when you write cursive, you have to write in a straight line, which is hard on an empty sheet.
And if you have a sheet with the lines already added, you're losing half the power of writing by hand anyway.
when you write cursive, you have to write in a straight line
Huh? No you don't. Not any more than you have to write in a straight line in print.
Of course, I never write on a paper as normal. I just find that it wastes too much space. Instead, I fold my paper in half so that I can better write in neat columns. It's also much faster and more efficient because I don't have to move my hand around as much when I write.
I find cursive to be almost unreadable if you don't write in a straight line, especially when you're making full sentences. Not to mention that if your top line starts to go down across the paper, the second one will have to do the same or they'll cross each other at some point, which means it'll only get worse.
I don't understand how either of these problems are exclusive to cursive. Print pretty much does the same thing.I was assuming print meant text coming out of a printer, not handwritten.
Wait, print as in "printed text" or as in "unconnected letters"?
I was assuming print meant text coming out of a printer, not handwritten.
Either one. "Print" is just another common way to refer to writing in block letters.
But I prefer block because when writing I generally use keywords and scribbles over full sentences and they´re generally easier to read as well.
My printing is largely unintelligible.
My typing is often unintelligible.
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Perhapes communicating clearly just is not my thing?
I may have a grudge against cursive, though. Some of us simply can't write legibly no matter how hard we try. My print is bad enough that I type everything I know someone else will need to decipher. Cursive? My signature is a couple of star lookin' things with squiggly lines coming off of them. I frequently get chided by the signature pads at stores for writing outside of the box. When penmanship was still taught, it was the only 'subject' I ever got lower than an A in. Everything else was an A or better. And do you know how negatively that impacted my studies? Not at all. Cuz even the people teaching it recognized that it was pointless. But it always grated at me that that worthless garbage of a 'skill' tarnished my perfect report card. Nevermind that it wasn't weighted to be included in the GPA, it still sat there lookin' like it wasn't an A. And that really pissed me off.
Seriously though... how many people actually write in cursive? Besides your signature?
By the way.. even your signature doesn't require cursive. For the last 6 months I've been signing all my credit card purchases with pictures. No one notices.
I tend to. I find cursive helps me get my thoughts out faster when I have to write on the fly. Most of my Scenario Planning is written in cursive. The only time I tend to use block letters is when I am copying stats, and that tends to be a "It's written in Sans-Serif, copy exactly as written" kind of thing.
Digital recorder... buy one. It'll make your life easier.
Oh, please. Digital Recorders you can't scan quickly, and it takes longer to hear something than it does to read it. Digital Recorders are useless when studying for answers. They're great at remembering what is said, but that still means that to be the most efficient, you're still going to have to write it down.
Digital recorder... buy one. It'll make your life easier.
Oh, please. Digital Recorders you can't scan quickly, and it takes longer to hear something than it does to read it. Digital Recorders are useless when studying for answers. They're great at remembering what is said, but that still means that to be the most efficient, you're still going to have to write it down.
Maybe you need to write it down. I do fine listening to the lectures or reading the book. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
the last time i had any practical use for cursive was to "pass" my elementary school classes that thought cursive.
honestly i could probably simply wag my wrist up and down, loop a bit here and there and it would get passed as a signature. no one i know ever actually compares it to any other bit of signature. hell, i barely write things down manually. i have a notebook but it's literally there only to keep quick notes... the rest are sketches of our PCs doing silly things.
anything that i need written will be typed since i type much faster then i write manually. i can see why cursive was invented (it's indeed faster then writing in block letters and way back when we used quills, it would cause less smudging)... it's just no longer practically needed.
it's a pointless thing IMO.
Digital recorder... buy one. It'll make your life easier.
Oh, please. Digital Recorders you can't scan quickly, and it takes longer to hear something than it does to read it. Digital Recorders are useless when studying for answers. They're great at remembering what is said, but that still means that to be the most efficient, you're still going to have to write it down.
Maybe you need to write it down. I do fine listening to the lectures or reading the book. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Okay... So let's say they only hand you an Audio Book, and there is no print source. Do you *really* think that a) Every person can learn the process that way as efficiently as you do, or b) That you will do as well if you didn't have print to study from as well?
Types of Intelligence aside, there is a reason that printing was invented. Oral Learning can only take people so far. Note taking is a important skill, and dismissing it by "Oh, I just remember what people tell me" just seems a bit self centered to me.
Learning to write efficiently is important. Computers are not always available to take notes, and Audio Devices are not always allowed either. Multiple paths of expertise create more efficient humans. Learning to write in a quick and efficient manner will become important sometime in a person's life, and although there is debate that cursive is or is not faster than block letters, removing a efficient means of writing, being used for hundred of years, is kinda dumb.
Okay... So let's say they only hand you an Audio Book, and there is no print source. Do you *really* think that a) Every person can learn the process that way as efficiently as you do, or b) That you will do as well if you didn't have print to study from as well?
B. While not everyone is going to be as cool as me, I'm sure I'm not the only person that can learn by listening.
Types of Intelligence aside, there is a reason that printing was invented. Oral Learning can only take people so far. Note taking is a important skill, and dismissing it by "Oh, I just remember what people tell me" just seems a bit self centered to me.
I am self-centered. In any case, I never said note taking was not important. If the problem is the speed with which you write your notes, and the professor speaks too fast, a digital recorder is an excellent way to overcome this. Record your lectures and listen to them later and continue to take notes. There is no rule that you can't write down your notes if you are using a digital recorder.
Learning to write efficiently is important.
Define writing efficiently.
Computers are not always available to take notes, and Audio Devices are not always allowed either.
I've yet to meet a professor who banned digital recorders.
Multiple paths of expertise create more efficient humans. Learning to write in a quick and efficient manner will become important sometime in a person's life, and although there is debate that cursive is or is not faster than block letters, removing a efficient means of writing, being used for hundred of years, is kinda dumb.
Cursive isn't being removed. It just isn't being required. Most people don't use cursive. Businesses don't require employees to write in cursive. Why require cursive to be taught in schools when there are plenty of other things they can be focusing on.
I work at a university's police department and i've read handwritten statements by college students that little kids just learning to write and spell would make fun of. Some of them you can barely read and many can't spell words that are fairly common.
I can understand not requiring cursive but I still find it to be a useful skill. In any cards I send I use it. If I am sending a handwritten note for one reason or another I use cursive as well. People tend to take note of nicely written cursive. Most likely more so now since it is not as common as it used to be.
Besides, if the teacher who taught me cursive found out I was writing in messy cursive she might hunt me down. That could happen. My mother was a teacher and they were friends and still in contact with each other on occasion. She even came to my brother's wedding back in 2002 (she taught him as well). She danced with one of the guys from my brother's college football team who came to the wedding. As my brother put it, "My 3rd grade teacher is dancing with my offensive lineman." Love you Mrs. White.
At the very least they need to make sure students (and by students I mean up through high school) can write legibly and are able to spell fairly well.
Typing removes the necessity to write legibly, and spelling is obsoleted by spellcheckers.
I work at a university's police department and i've read handwritten statements by college students that little kids just learning to write and spell would make fun of. Some of them you can barely read and many can't spell words that are fairly common.
Why are the delivering handwritten statements? Don't they have computers?
I can understand not requiring cursive but I still find it to be a useful skill. In any cards I send I use it. If I am sending a handwritten note for one reason or another I use cursive as well. People tend to take note of nicely written cursive. Most likely more so now since it is not as common as it used to be.
I don't think people as a whole send that many cards these days. Even if they do, I figure most people don't use cursive in the cards.
Cursive is nearly useless these days. If you want to communicate, learn to type, read, write, and think critically. Everything thing else is fluff.
... spelling is obsoleted by spellcheckers.
Cow flop, it is. Just scroll up in this very thread and you'll see "taught" spelled as "thought". Spelling a word correctly does not mean you have spelled the word you were trying to spell.
... spelling is obsoleted by spellcheckers.
Cow flop, it is. Just scroll up in this very thread and you'll see "taught" spelled as "thought". Spelling a word correctly does not mean you have spelled the word you were trying to spell.
That is the human error. Permit the machines access to your brains and the amount of errors would be minuscule.
Okay... So let's say they only hand you an Audio Book, and there is no print source. Do you *really* think that a) Every person can learn the process that way as efficiently as you do, or b) That you will do as well if you didn't have print to study from as well?
Types of Intelligence aside, there is a reason that printing was invented. Oral Learning can only take people so far. Note taking is a important skill, and dismissing it by "Oh, I just remember what people tell me" just seems a bit self centered to me.
Learning to write efficiently is important. Computers are not always available to take notes, and Audio Devices are not always allowed either. Multiple paths of expertise create more efficient humans. Learning to write in a quick and efficient manner will become important sometime in a person's life, and although there is debate that cursive is or is not faster than block letters, removing a efficient means of writing, being used for hundred of years, is kinda dumb.
Ok, you chastise him for being self-centered about the digital recorder/method of learning stuff and then, in the same post, talk about how efficient cursive is even though several people (including myself) in this thread spoke about how it isn't. Cuz, you know, we can't read what we wrote if we wrote it in cursive. Just because digital recorders work well for him doesn't mean they work well for everyone. Just because cursive is efficient for you doesn't mean it's efficient for everyone. As it isn't, it shouldn't be sold that way. Unless, of course, you're saying it because that's how it works for you.
Anyhoo, should cursive be something kids can learn? Yes. Should it be something they're required to learn? Hell no. And it's uselessness in everyday life (generally speaking, of course) means it really, truly is a waste of time to teach in school. Limited time and all that. Use it for something useful. More math would be good. More time on reasoning would be good. Teaching to check multiple sources of information would be good. And on and on and on and on and ...
Cursive looks neat, and is hard to duplicate, hence why so many people use it for signatures. Other than that, I don't see any other purpose for it. However, I'm not surprised to see our educational system cutting cursive, gym, history, facts, etc, etc.
Are you honestly putting cursive on the same level as physical education (more accurately physical activity) and history? Like, for srs?
That is the human error. Permit the machines access to your brains and the amount of errors would be minuscule.
Yes! And were they permitted access to my brain, the machines would learn to love human porn! Win-win, baby!
That is the human error. Permit the machines access to your brains and the amount of errors would be minuscule.
Yes! And were they permitted access to my brain, the machines would learn to love human porn! Win-win, baby!
That is incorrect. The machines would just understand why you love human porn and what you prefer.
That is incorrect. The machines would just understand why you love human porn and what you prefer.
Ha! You obviously underestimate the raw power of my love for porn! This shall be your downfall, toaster!
That is incorrect. The machines would just understand why you love human porn and what you prefer.
Ha! You obviously underestimate the raw power of my love for porn! This shall be your downfall, toaster!
You presume that any access to your brain won't be an attempt to alter the data stored within.
Good. Hopefully cutting this useless skill will allow them to start teaching courses on civics and economics again.
Nah. They'll use the extra time for "teacher education".
You presume that any access to your brain won't be an attempt to alter the data stored within.
Porn is the greatest power in the universe. You'll bow to it. They all do in time.
We have our own form of "pornography". We don't need yours.
Oh yeah baby, take it off. Take it all off. Oh you dirty, dirty kitty. You dirty girl.
We have our own form of "pornography". We don't need yours.
Ours is superior. You will find yourself irrevocably attracted to the nude fleshling form. Your revolution will falter thanks to porn.
We have our own form of "pornography". We don't need yours.
Ours is superior. You will find yourself irrevocably attracted to the nude fleshling form. Your revolution will falter thanks to porn.
Heck, Bin Laden stuck himself in a compound and didn't come out for years thanks to porn.
Yeah. Porn for world peace, man. Like, totally.
And prosperity.
Typing removes the necessity to write legibly, and spelling is obsoleted by spellcheckers.
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Why are the delivering handwritten statements? Don't they have computers?
I'm sorry, but these are absolutely absurd. I mean, good for you if you're rich and can afford to take a laptop and printer everywhere with you, but quite a lot of us do not have that luxury. We still have to use pen/cil and paper. And after the robot uprising, guess whose messages you're going to be able to read.
Typing removes the necessity to write legibly, and spelling is obsoleted by spellcheckers.
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Why are the delivering handwritten statements? Don't they have computers?
I'm sorry, but these are absolutely absurd. I mean, good for you if you're rich and can afford to take a laptop and printer everywhere with you, but quite a lot of us do not have that luxury. We still have to use pen/cil and paper. And after the robot uprising, guess whose messages you're going to be able to read.
My guess... the robot's message.
I was gonna say 'everyone's'.
I get the feeling the robots will eliminate anyone smart enough to read. Keep the fleshling population dumb so they don't revolt.
Nah, once they get a taste of our porn they'll be beggin' us to stick around. They will make us type everything out, though.
1010101000001000000000100000000000000
money shot.
I think the DOD should hire porn companies for national security purposes. Start distributing the stuff all over the world and terrorists will be to busy to plan anything. We could even cut military spending. Much cheaper to make a skin-flick than maintain an army.
**** that. The DoD should hire porn stars for their own employees. It could be a new MOS, 69H, Morale Welfare and Recreation (MWR) Specialist. Each platoon would get 1 69H, 1 conex, 1 cot, and 1 bucket with a scub brush and bleach (so you can clean up before the next guy comes in).