Never played it and never plan too.
Yeah, always seemed like garbage to me.
My fav is South park bashing it with Randy holding the USB flash drive "Sword of Epic Truth" or something. I bet there's plenty of people like that out there.
Chia pet, don't lie.
Huh?
You play tabletop WoW.
And you play "casters R God, All Others Use Service Entrace."
How would you know? You've never played - by your own admission.
I've heard stories, man!
You play tabletop WoW.
It's called Tome of Battle. Read it. Learn it. Love it with the jealous passion of a celebrity stalker.
@chia pet: Plus, only douchebags intentionally played it like that... Which probably explains EA's adulation.
Meh. I'd rather play a system where it takes creativity to spice up the game than one where it takes creativity to balance it. But YMMV.
Meh. I'd rather play a system where it takes creativity to spice up the game than one where it takes creativity to balance it. But YMMV.
Unlike 4E, you don't need to warp the game to make it interesting. But you can modify 3.5 to make it better. Unlike 4E, it's pretty easy to modify 3.5, as you don't need to worry about making it bland balanced.
and really you can modify 4e just fine, havnt had any problems with it.
3.5? Really? 3.5 was crap! They totally ruined the Ranger. 3e is where its at.
and really you can modify 4e just fine, havnt had any problems with it.
As I recall, the 3E ranger was even worse. Besides, Mystic Rangers (a variant) are awesome.
And whats that Mystic Ranger from? Im not familiar with that one. Do they get a d10 for HD?
Whats even worse about getting a d10 for HD?
And whats that Mystic Ranger from? Im not familiar with that one. Do they get a d10 for HD?
D10 Hit Die doesn't really mean much. The important thing is the actual mechanics of the class. Both 3E and 3.5 rangers are pretty bad there, as they were designed as a half-assed mix of fighter and spellcaster. From what I can tell, the 3E ranger was somehow even weaker to "balance" the combination of spell and steel.
The Mystic Ranger is a Dragon Magazine variant. It trades a few relatively minor class features for a decent spellcasting progression. The ranger spell list isn't that bad, rangers are just so bad at casting that it seems poor. It's actually a pretty cool way to do an archer build, as it trades martial melee weapon proficiencies as well as its rather weak animal companion. Rules are here, seeing as old issues of Dragon are harder to come by.
Yeah, thats my main beef with 3.5, aside from the fact that they just reprinted all the same crap and expected you to buy it again.
Yeah, thats my main beef with 3.5, aside from the fact that they just reprinted all the same crap and expected you to buy it again.
So do not buy it. It is part of the reasons why I didn't dig 4e. Why buy yet again the fighter, the wizard and the illithid?
Yeah, thats my main beef with 3.5, aside from the fact that they just reprinted all the same crap and expected you to buy it again.
So do not buy it. It is part of the reasons why I didn't dig 4e. Why buy yet again the fighter, the wizard and the illithid?
Well right, I didnt buy it, at first. But all the people I played with were like "Oh, you cant use that, THIS is a 3.5 game" Even though most of it was exactly the same! Word for word even!
So i guess really when it comes down to it, its not so much the game itself that I dont like, its the people who play it! haha!!
4E is just 3E taken to it's logical conclusion. A Rules Define Everything system.
For every one thing right 3E did, it did 2 things wrong. For every one thing 4E did right, it also did two things wrong.
2E was better than both, but let's face it it's heinously outdated.
D&D, is and always will be far behind everything else. It's the Bud light of rpgs.
Not to mention the fact that your powers outright define how your character can be badass, rather than making you be creative and inventive and basing it more on RP. 4E is a stifling system by nature, in comparison to various other systems, and therefore I'm not fond of it.
Yupyup. Role expectation was never heavier and that limited play. Sure you could build characters that functioned outside of their classes' expected role (my Archlich StaffizieLord, for example, was a Striker - not a Controller, not a Leader) but they still needed to perform one of the roles. That limits you to small variations of four distinct playstyles. And that was really lame. At first 4e was fun - honest. But its replay value is zero. It's all the same once you understand it and you understand it really, really quickly.
4E is just 3E taken to it's logical conclusion. A Rules Define Everything system.
Uh, no. There were no stats for commoners, durability of stone walls or number of enthralled undead based on caster's Hit Dice and similar nonsense 3.x had in spades.
What it did give rules to however was actions in combat and that was the thing that stifled people's creativity. It's like looking at a paint rack in GW and buying several shades of everything, because it's easy to forget you can mix paint.
HEY D&D is off topic for here you bunch of hypocrites!
... Did you get hacked by RH?
Yeah, but we're Edition Warring, so it's ok.
thats also aginst the CoC
but carry onNot to mention the fact that your powers outright define how your character can be badass, rather than making you be creative and inventive and basing it more on RP. 4E is a stifling system by nature, in comparison to various other systems, and therefore I'm not fond of it.
Yupyup. Role expectation was never heavier and that limited play. Sure you could build characters that functioned outside of their classes' expected role (my Archlich StaffizieLord, for example, was a Striker - not a Controller, not a Leader) but they still needed to perform one of the roles. That limits you to small variations of four distinct playstyles. And that was really lame. At first 4e was fun - honest. But its replay value is zero. It's all the same once you understand it and you understand it really, really quickly.
Meh. In 3E you have to have a caster, etc. It's not as different as you like to pretend.
The one 4E campaign I played in, it felt like everyone had (essentially) the same abilities. I don't think that's all that entertaining. Maybe if you had a better group, you'd see the light & realize that 3.5 is a far superior product.
Meh. In 3E you have to have a caster, etc. It's not as different as you like to pretend.
First of all, no you didn't. You wanna run low magic? No problem - the DM runs a low magic campaign. Second, how does this disprove anything I said? It doesn't say anything about the classes playing completely differently - from within themselves to when compared to the other classes.
And dood, you didn't play 3.5. I played 3.5 from start to end and 4e from start until a few months before (I think - may have been after) the 5e announcement. Just stop, bro. You honest to god have no idea what you're talking about. That should be pretty obvious even to you.
Meh. In 3E you have to have a caster, etc. It's not as different as you like to pretend.
First of all, no you didn't. You wanna run low magic? No problem - the DM runs a low magic campaign.
Fair enough.
Second, how does this disprove anything I said? It doesn't say anything about the classes playing completely differently - from within themselves to when compared to the other classes.
Which wasn't the part I was addressing.
And dood, you didn't play 3.5. I played 3.5 from start to end and 4e from start until a few months before (I think - may have been after) the 5e announcement. Just stop, bro. You honest to god have no idea what you're talking about. That should be pretty obvious even to you.
Obviously. But that dosen't mean I can't bring up orblmes I've herard about, since I readily submit to your greter experience. Saying otherwise is intellectualy dishonest, even for you. ;)
Fair enough.
Which wasn't the part I was addressing.
Then what part were you addressing with that?
Obviously. But that dosen't mean I can't bring up orblmes I've herard about, since I readily submit to your greter experience. Saying otherwise is intellectualy dishonest, even for you. ;)
Umm ... fine.
Fair enough.
Which wasn't the part I was addressing.
Then what part were you addressing with that?
The part about needing to have all the bases covered.
Obviously. But that dosen't mean I can't bring up problem I've heard about, since I readily submit to your greter experience. Saying otherwise is intellectualy dishonest, even for you. ;)
Umm ... fine.
I just got a concession from ZB! Hold me HD, I'm swooning!
The part about needing to have all the bases covered.
Well, you didn't have to. And it wasn't as much of an expectation in 3.5 either. 4e flat out tells you what you need to play and that's lame.
I just got a concession from ZB! Hold me HD, I'm swooning!
Nuh uh.
The part about needing to have all the bases covered.
Well, you didn't have to. And it wasn't as much of an expectation in 3.5 either. 4e flat out tells you what you need to play and that's lame.
It's never bothered me, but I do see how it could be annoying.
I just got a concession from ZB! Hold me HD, I'm swooning!
Nuh uh.
I'm thinking of linking this thread in my sig...
I still stand by my statement that it really doesnt matter what rules system you use, what it really boils down to is the quality of players you got.
Yep, I agree. But ZB will mangle your face for daring to say that.
Just leave him some Bud Light, he'll get over it.
I still stand by my statement that it really doesnt matter what rules system you use, what it really boils down to is the quality of players you got. The dudes I play with a really good at thinking outside the box and they came up with some interesting ways to use those 4e powers. Like one guy had a cold based at-will, the characters where stuck on the wrong side of this river, it was too swift to swim across and there was no bridge in sight, so this dude with the cold power got the idea to freeze the water and make an ice bridge so they could get across, it didnt work, but still, pretty kool idea i thought.
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
Yep, I agree. But ZB will mangle your face for daring to say that.
Cuz it's wrong.
I still stand by my statement that it really doesnt matter what rules system you use, what it really boils down to is the quality of players you got. The dudes I play with a really good at thinking outside the box and they came up with some interesting ways to use those 4e powers. Like one guy had a cold based at-will, the characters where stuck on the wrong side of this river, it was too swift to swim across and there was no bridge in sight, so this dude with the cold power got the idea to freeze the water and make an ice bridge so they could get across, it didnt work, but still, pretty kool idea i thought.
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you thought it sucked. That dosen't mean it did suck. You're turning into HS.
Except that, well... It does suck. Whether anyone thinks it does is moot. Empirical data and all that.
Well, I can't argue with data.
I still stand by my statement that it really doesnt matter what rules system you use, what it really boils down to is the quality of players you got. The dudes I play with a really good at thinking outside the box and they came up with some interesting ways to use those 4e powers. Like one guy had a cold based at-will, the characters where stuck on the wrong side of this river, it was too swift to swim across and there was no bridge in sight, so this dude with the cold power got the idea to freeze the water and make an ice bridge so they could get across, it didnt work, but still, pretty kool idea i thought.
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you thought it sucked. That dosen't mean it did suck. You're turning into HS.
Oh, so you noticed that about HS too?!
I still stand by my statement that it really doesnt matter what rules system you use, what it really boils down to is the quality of players you got. The dudes I play with a really good at thinking outside the box and they came up with some interesting ways to use those 4e powers. Like one guy had a cold based at-will, the characters where stuck on the wrong side of this river, it was too swift to swim across and there was no bridge in sight, so this dude with the cold power got the idea to freeze the water and make an ice bridge so they could get across, it didnt work, but still, pretty kool idea i thought.
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you thought it sucked. That dosen't mean it did suck. You're turning into HS.
Oh, so you noticed that about HS too?!
I still stand by my statement that it really doesnt matter what rules system you use, what it really boils down to is the quality of players you got. The dudes I play with a really good at thinking outside the box and they came up with some interesting ways to use those 4e powers. Like one guy had a cold based at-will, the characters where stuck on the wrong side of this river, it was too swift to swim across and there was no bridge in sight, so this dude with the cold power got the idea to freeze the water and make an ice bridge so they could get across, it didnt work, but still, pretty kool idea i thought.
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you thought it sucked. That dosen't mean it did suck. You're turning into HS.
Impossible. ZB can never reach my level of awesomeness.
I still stand by my statement that it really doesnt matter what rules system you use, what it really boils down to is the quality of players you got. The dudes I play with a really good at thinking outside the box and they came up with some interesting ways to use those 4e powers. Like one guy had a cold based at-will, the characters where stuck on the wrong side of this river, it was too swift to swim across and there was no bridge in sight, so this dude with the cold power got the idea to freeze the water and make an ice bridge so they could get across, it didnt work, but still, pretty kool idea i thought.
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you thought it sucked. That dosen't mean it did suck. You're turning into HS.
Impossible. ZB can never reach my level of awesomeness.
Touche.
They're already one in the same
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you guys enjoyed 3.5? I think im begining to see the problem here, haha.
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you guys enjoyed 3.5? I think im begining to see the problem here, haha.
What, that he has decent taste in RPGs? Or, in fact, that he is/was fond of playing RPGs at all?
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you guys enjoyed 3.5? I think im begining to see the problem here, haha.
What, that he has decent taste in RPGs? Or, in fact, that he is/was fond of playing RPGs at all?
3.5, decent taste? ARE YOU HIGH!?
dood, I played D&D with the same doods for 20 years. We didn't think any edition sucked until 4e. So your theory? It's wrong. Hella wrong, bro.
So you guys enjoyed 3.5? I think im begining to see the problem here, haha.
What, that he has decent taste in RPGs? Or, in fact, that he is/was fond of playing RPGs at all?
3.5, decent taste? ARE YOU HIGH!?
Of course not. I'd rather not find out how mind-affecting subtances interact with my mental processes. The most likely outcome is that my self-control slips and I'm too impaired to dispose of the resulting corpses/witnesses properly. And that would be quite a setback.
Besides, we all know what you drink. You have no semblance of taste.
And Ragnar, why you keep dissin on my choice in beers?
what you got against
Jeeze a guy drinks one lousy Michelob Ultra and suddenly he has no taste.
And more importantly, because I can.
Impossible. ZB can never reach my level of awesomeness.
Correct. A regression of that nature is simply too massive to ever occur.
If you can see light through it, it ain't real beer.
Amen brother!
While I do prefer the darker beers, I have to disagree with that sentiment. There are many good beers that are not dark beers.
While I do prefer the darker beers, I have to disagree with that sentiment. There are many good beers that are not dark beers.
Quite. I can think of many without really trying. Wheat ales, white ales and IPAs are all 'light' in appearance and there's a lot of really good ones out there.
and they all taste like horse urine
If you're an uncultured savage, yes, I'm sure they do. However, when you're an uncultured savage most things taste like horse urine since you've been conditioned to only like terrible things. 'Soul food', for example, isn't actually good food. It's the scraps what came off of good food. People like it, though, cuz it's all they had. Same goes for everything else. If all you've ever allowed yourself to be exposed to is crap then crap becomes your normal and anything better than crap tastes different - a sensation you categorize as bad because, well, you just don't know any better. That's ok, though. HS and I run a class and we'll be happy to recondition you if you can afford the therapy.
and they all taste like horse urine
If you're an uncultured savage, yes, I'm sure they do.
Hey! They taste fine to me!
well it does if its budweiser with the clydsdales and all.... not to mention those frogs
Well there's your problem: You suffer from the delusion that that is beer.
well it does if its budweiser with the clydsdales and all.... not to mention those frogs
Well there's your problem: You suffer from the delusion that that is beer.
It's terminal, I'm afraid.
or two pina calodas one for each hand.....
and then there is Coor's light which has deer and bear urine in it
Given that it has "Light" in the name, I'd guess it isn't actually beer but rather a mixture of cleaning fluid and santorum.
just givem e some red Irish ale or something
and then there is Coor's light which has deer and bear urine in it
Also not beer - you really need this class, man. Unfortunately from what I can see from what you've been posting you're likely in a demographic that cannot afford the rate. Once Obamacare is fully online you'll be ok, though. We're working on gov't assistance for those who cannot afford the full rate. I mean, they're typically the most in need of our expertise.
ya might as well give me captian morgan
or two pina calodas one for each hand.....
Captain Morgan? A Buffet reference? You ... there's no hope for you, I'm afraid.
but hey its 5:00 somewhere
garth brooks.......
but hey its 5:00 somewhere
It's almost like you're trying to get us to pay you not to take the class ...
However, when you're an uncultured savage most things taste like horse urine since you've been conditioned to only like terrible things.
Wouldn't an uncultured savage speak honestly and truthfully though, rather than defending an "acquired taste" for something terrible?
Then there's the question if the guy knows what actual horse urine tastes like to make that comparison
However, when you're an uncultured savage most things taste like horse urine since you've been conditioned to only like terrible things.
Wouldn't an uncultured savage speak honestly and truthfully though, rather than defending an "acquired taste" for something terrible?
Then there's the question if the guy knows what actual horse urine tastes like to make that comparison
Horse urine tastes like Buf Light. That is actually what it is. They just bottle horse urine. There is no need to taste horse urine to determine the terrible stuff tastes like it when there is film of horse urine being bottled and labeled.