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#1 homicidal_squirrel Jul 11, 2011 16:59:09	www.slate.com/id/2243112/
#2 Robin_Hoodlum Jul 11, 2011 17:16:27	I, for one, am not surprised by what communism produces. *shrug*
#3 bone_naga Jul 11, 2011 17:20:10	Why are we still providing aid to North Korea?
#4 bone_naga Jul 11, 2011 17:20:48	I, for one, am not surprised by what communism produces. *shrug* This is far beyond what communism normally produces. This is the result of a completely insane individual running a nation into the ground.
#5 homicidal_squirrel Jul 11, 2011 17:26:22	Why are we still providing aid to North Korea? We aren't giving them aid. We are making payments so that our superiors allow us to live on the same planet as they.
#6 calronmoonflower Jul 11, 2011 17:47:07	This is the result of a completely insane individual running a nation into the ground. He's not a real person, he is a sapient cockroach piloting a robot that looks human trying to destroy humanity on behalf of his roach brethren. OX=
#7 Escef Jul 11, 2011 18:53:12	Why are we still providing aid to North Korea? Because we think that KJI is crazy enough to let nukes fly if he has them. And the planet is equally useless to everyone if it's a neon-green ball floating in space. I think North Korea is like a beautiful, majestic horse. And KJI has starved and beaten it. And right now he's riding it, torch in hand, as hard and fast as he can through the night towards the edge of the tallest cliff he can find. And I fully expect he has no plans to stop at the edge, and when it takes that flying leap off of that cliff he's going to set it on fire and ride it straight to hell.
#8 bone_naga Jul 11, 2011 19:41:42	Why are we still providing aid to North Korea? Because we think that KJI is crazy enough to let nukes fly if he has them. And the planet is equally useless to everyone if it's a neon-green ball floating in space. I think North Korea is like a beautiful, majestic horse. And KJI has starved and beaten it. And right now he's riding it, torch in hand, as hard and fast as he can through the night towards the edge of the tallest cliff he can find. And I fully expect he has no plans to stop at the edge, and when it takes that flying leap off of that cliff he's going to set it on fire and ride it straight to hell. North Korea doesn't have very many nukes (if he really has any), they aren't the most effective ones, and he lacks adequate means of delivery. And although he acts crazy, I think he has enough of a survival instinct to not want to be turned into a glass plate. We shouldn't be catering to this loser.
#9 Cpt_Micha Jul 11, 2011 19:47:41	As much as it would make the people suffer, we have to cut off food aid. There is no excuse for us dealing with terrorists. And that's what we're doing.
#10 bone_naga Jul 11, 2011 19:52:36	As much as it would make the people suffer, we have to cut off food aid. There is no excuse for us dealing with terrorists. And that's what we're doing. Exactly. And it's only after they've suffered enough that they will decide that it is worth trying to change their government.
#11 homicidal_squirrel Jul 11, 2011 20:11:12	As much as it would make the people suffer, we have to cut off food aid. There is no excuse for us dealing with terrorists. And that's what we're doing. Exactly. And it's only after they've suffered enough that they will decide that it is worth trying to change their government. That is what China is afraid of. Once they decide that a change is necessary, will it be done peacefully? I doubt KJI or whoever happens to be in charge when that happens will go away peacefully. Then there are going to be thousands of refugees rushing out of the country. You also have to consider what type of government will replace the current one. Chine isn't to keen on having a newly minted democratic government so close.
#12 bone_naga Jul 11, 2011 20:13:38	Of course it won't be done peacefully, it rarely is. As for the new government, well I doubt it can be much worse than the current one. And we don't need to make China's preferences our problem.
#13 shadowacs Jul 11, 2011 20:17:45	I agree. Not just food aid. Cut ALL aid off from these people. If the country starves to death, then the rest of the world won't have to worry about it anymore. The people's only options are to die or accept the reality that they are being controlled and manipulated to start a revolution.
#14 homicidal_squirrel Jul 11, 2011 20:18:45	Of course it won't be done peacefully, it rarely is. As for the new government, well I doubt it can be much worse than the current one. And we don't need to make China's preferences our problem. And yet, it is.
#15 Cpt_Micha Jul 11, 2011 20:20:13	Well that whole they own 10 percent of us is probably why we care what china thinks at all.
#16 calronmoonflower Jul 11, 2011 20:26:29	As much as it would make the people suffer, we have to cut off food aid. And here I thought that food aid was being stolen and used to feed the military rather than the ones that it was intended for.
#17 Cpt_Micha Jul 11, 2011 20:31:30	Oh it is. However then it'd be the soldiers suffering. Armed people suffering en masse tends to lead to bloody revolutions
#18 shadowacs Jul 11, 2011 22:41:44	Oh it is. However then it'd be the soldiers suffering. Armed people suffering en masse tends to lead to bloody revolutions Which, ironically, is exactly what North Korea needs.
#19 ADHadh Jul 12, 2011 5:32:14	North Korean army is already half-starved to death.
#20 zombie_babies Jul 12, 2011 10:32:48	Why do we give aid to the DPRK?  Who cares?  Honestly guys, we're friends - honest to god on friendly terms - with countries that behave in similar or worse ways.  Think human rights and Saudi Arabia.  And Bahrain.  Hell, we were friendly with Libya for quite some time, too.  And the oil companies raping Nigeria?  About half of 'em are American.  So yeah, we give aid to the DPRK.  Cuz we don't have any sort of real moral compass.  Cuz we aren't better.  We're people - just like them.
#21 bone_naga Jul 12, 2011 10:42:34	Why do we give aid to the DPRK?  Who cares?  Honestly guys, we're friends - honest to god on friendly terms - with countries that behave in similar or worse ways.  Think human rights and Saudi Arabia.  And Bahrain.  Hell, we were friendly with Libya for quite some time, too.  And the oil companies raping Nigeria?  About half of 'em are American.  So yeah, we give aid to the DPRK.  Cuz we don't have any sort of real moral compass.  Cuz we aren't better.  We're people - just like them. No one is arguing morals. This isn't about morality, it's common sense and basic survival. You help your allies, even if we can't even pretend that they (or us by supporting them) have the moral high ground, because by doing so you are helping yourself. You don't help people that want to kill you (unless you are genuinely convinced that you can change their stance by doing so) because by doing so you are hurting yourself.
#22 LFK Jul 12, 2011 14:30:48	My gut says that if KJI actually tried to start a war with nukes then China would just flatten the regime in a week. War being fought over a short distance in familiar terrain and culture with a vastly superior army willing to take casualties? That sht ends fast.
#23 toastedamphibian Jul 13, 2011 3:14:47	Why are we still providing aid to North Korea? So that they will be caught unawares on that day we decide to slip the Kool in.
#24 ADHadh Jul 13, 2011 7:22:44	They may have a reason to feel superior: Show
#25 Luis_Carlos Jul 13, 2011 7:42:00	I´m not surprised. Have you readen about Northkorean Christians who were pulverized with steamroller? Yes, crushed, squashed people by the heavy machine for construction of roads.  I rebember some people from Japan or Sourth Korea were kidnappen by NK. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abduc... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abduc...     That guy is crazy, and is too dangerous.  I made you rebember you oficially Korean war isn´t ended. If they get the nuclear bomb... you can afraid the worst one.
#26 zombie_babies Jul 13, 2011 8:27:36	They have already built and tested a nuclear weapon.  However, the results were less than stellar.  Still, nukes is nukes and DPRK has 'em.  Or at least the ability to make sub par ones.  Delivery is an issue, though, as their missiles are 'meh' at best.  Thing is, they don't have to go all that far to hit the guys they like least.
#27 Luis_Carlos Jul 13, 2011 11:31:56	I´m worried. They can´t get the nuclear missil yet, but the techonology to create a "dirty bomb" can be sold to third "rogue" states, o terrorist groups.   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb  The worst one is NK is a satellitete state of China, and it will not allow a war to overthrow Kim Jong´s regime. What could we do? Our best hope is China would rather a unified Korea where Chinese businessmen could invest creation of new companies. I meant, better if China has got more interest in the fall of the current NK goverment because they would get more profit.  I read lot of time ago Seul is too near the frontier. If NK atacks you can imagine the bombing of Sourth Korean capital. There wouldn´t enought time to evacuate, and the damage too big.   Living NK is a hell, civil people is literally dead by hunger while NK regime spent millions to get the nuclear "succuber".  I´m afraid their goal is get nuclear missile to menace USA West Coast, avoiding Northamerican help to a SK what would be bieng invaded again.  (I´m sorry if my English level isn´t too good).
#28 bone_naga Jul 13, 2011 11:37:51	I think we should have kept our tactical nukes in South Korea even after we got rid of the rest of them.
#29 Ragnar_Lodbrok Jul 13, 2011 19:42:27	(I´m sorry if my English level isn´t too good). I've seen native speakers of the language who are far worse on the internet.