Though this story does remind me of my AP US History class. Homework counted for 30% of your grade, but the teacher also said "It doesn't matter what your grades are at the end of the year, if you score a % on the AP test, I'll GIVE you an A. Or a B for a 4." So I didn't do any homework that year and scored a 5 on the exam.
Most jobs in the US are clerical or blue collar. You don't take your work home with you in those jobs.
The idea of homework is not to teach kids how to work from home. The idea of homework is to......teach kids. Homework, when done, helps kids to learn their subject better than simply listening (or sleeping) in class. This is nothing more than another push to keep the dregs of the classrooms from failing.
Escef, I think homework is more meant as busy work. IF you're paying attention at all in a class (even on honors level) you should be able to nail every test with an 86+ easy. when I went to school, until my teachers figured out to just let me do my homework in class as they taught the lesson, all it did was lower my grade, because frankly I didn't see the point in homework.
Yep^^^. I never gave a **** about homework yet I aced every single test. I had several teachers modify their standards to allow me to have a better grade than I should have without doing any homework. Their reasoning was that homework is there to help you learn the material. However, my test scores and essay assignments showed that I had already mastered that material, so making me do the homework assignments served no useful purpose.
The moral: Homework should only be required for those who actually need it.
P.S. I wrote this up, and must have missed the submit button as I went to check on dinner. I hate when that happens.
*Not actually calculated.
The coolest teacher I ever had ragged me about doing my homework and not reading in class for the first 4 or 5 weeks of school. Finally, I offered him a deal (because he seemed to honestly care that I do well in his class). I told him that if I ever scored less than a 95% on any of his tests, I'd not only do all homework from then on, I'd also make up all the homework I'd not done before then and I wouldn't read in class. He agreed. At the end of the year (after never doing any homework), he handed me a stack of lab reports for me to copy, just because he was required to show that I'd done the work before he could let me take the final. He also told me that if I was the first student he'd ever had in class to get 100% on the final, he'd give me a gift certificate to the best resturant in the area so I could take my family out for dinner.
The moral: Homework should only be required for those who actually need it.
When I first applied for AP History, I was told that the class was full, so I was put in the regular class. After half a class, I was grading the other students papers (because I was done within ten minutes), and within a week my teacher was telling the administrators to get me out of his class because I didn't belong in it.
The moral: Homework should only be required for those who actually need it.
Alternative moral: people who breeze through classes need a bigger workload so they learn more stuff, because there's no such thing as too much knowledge.
I had a teacher in grade school who noticed that I basically had all my work finished before the end of the morning and he just piled more and more stuff on me because I enjoyed learning. It kept me from being bored out of my skull
But I do agree that any test should test knowledge and not whether or not you were paying attention in class or did your homework. That also means that the questions should be insightful rather then "did you read the book as asked?"
Escef, I think homework is more meant as busy work. IF you're paying attention at all in a class (even on honors level) you should be able to nail every test with an 86+ easy. when I went to school, until my teachers figured out to just let me do my homework in class as they taught the lesson, all it did was lower my grade, because frankly I didn't see the point in homework.
Yep^^^. I never gave a **** about homework yet I aced every single test. I had several teachers modify their standards to allow me to have a better grade than I should have without doing any homework. Their reasoning was that homework is there to help you learn the material. However, my test scores and essay assignments showed that I had already mastered that material, so making me do the homework assignments served no useful purpose.
I was the same way. However, not to toot our horns, but those of us who play D&D and come to these forums tend to be at the top end of the intelligence scale. For most kids, homework is necessary to learning.
The moral: Homework should only be required for those who actually need it.
Alternative moral: people who breeze through classes need a bigger workload so they learn more stuff, because there's no such thing as too much knowledge.
In elementary school I was in a private school that used a PACE program where each student learned at their own rate. Since I loved to learn, I flew through my subjects. When I came to California and entered into junior high, I was bored out of my mind. It was somewhere in the 10th or 11th grade before I actually learned anything new.
In elementary school I was in a private school that used a PACE program where each student learned at their own rate. Since I loved to learn, I flew through my subjects. When I came to California and entered into junior high, I was bored out of my mind. It was somewhere in the 10th or 11th grade before I actually learned anything new.
I discovered a program like that but it wasn't until my senior year of high school. Had something like that been available to me earlier, I actually would have showed up to school more than once a week, I would have actually learned useful stuff, and I could have graduated early.
Escef, I think homework is more meant as busy work. IF you're paying attention at all in a class (even on honors level) you should be able to nail every test with an 86+ easy. when I went to school, until my teachers figured out to just let me do my homework in class as they taught the lesson, all it did was lower my grade, because frankly I didn't see the point in homework.
Yep^^^. I never gave a **** about homework yet I aced every single test. I had several teachers modify their standards to allow me to have a better grade than I should have without doing any homework. Their reasoning was that homework is there to help you learn the material. However, my test scores and essay assignments showed that I had already mastered that material, so making me do the homework assignments served no useful purpose.
Wow I followed your methodology, but my teachers were not so kind. I would get 1's and 12's because I got 0's on my homework but 90+'s on my tests and in class work. One teach even broke down in middle of class and started yelling at me telling me I was smarter than all the other kids and why wouldn't I take the class seriously...
The moral: Homework should only be required for those who actually need it.
Alternative moral: people who breeze through classes need a bigger workload so they learn more stuff, because there's no such thing as too much knowledge.
In elementary school I was in a private school that used a PACE program where each student learned at their own rate. Since I loved to learn, I flew through my subjects. When I came to California and entered into junior high, I was bored out of my mind. It was somewhere in the 10th or 11th grade before I actually learned anything new.
None of the schools I went to had any of that, but I had one class that was called "CAT" Computer Assisted Teaching. It had a bunch of math problems you worked through on the computer and you worked at your own pace, about half-way through the year I finished the entire set of problems going all the way into calculating statistics and probabilities (I think I was in the fourth or fifth grade at the time)...
Wow I followed your methodology, but my teachers were not so kind. I would get 1's and 12's because I got 0's on my homework but 90+'s on my tests and in class work. One teach even broke down in middle of class and started yelling at me telling me I was smarter than all the other kids and why wouldn't I take the class seriously...
I got a lot of that too, but I didn't change and at the end of the semester a lot of them really didn't want to hurt me by giving me a bad grade or failing me, especially when I obviously knew the material. Except for one teacher that failed me on the basis of attendance alone.
Wow I followed your methodology, but my teachers were not so kind. I would get 1's and 12's because I got 0's on my homework but 90+'s on my tests and in class work. One teach even broke down in middle of class and started yelling at me telling me I was smarter than all the other kids and why wouldn't I take the class seriously...
I got a lot of that too, but I didn't change and at the end of the semester a lot of them really didn't want to hurt me by giving me a bad grade or failing me, especially when I obviously knew the material. Except for one teacher that failed me on the basis of attendance alone.
I had a class in college that really opened my eyes. The first thing was that IQ is literally just your comparative (to your age group) ability to learn in a classroom environment. Something else I learned is that you learn by succeeding. What I mean is if you succeed at something, then your brain rewards you with endorphins and you are more likely to repeat the behavior. So if in childhood up to what age 4 or 5 you already have your learning method ingrained into you. If you learn by visual cues, that's what your going to do best at, if you learn better by trying things out, then you'll be great at that, if you learn best by butting your head against the wall until your mommy tells you to stop, then you will learn best that way. Over time you can change how you learn, but you have to put real effort into it and it takes years. They need to change up HOW children are taught and let them learn at their own pace. If a child can graduate at age 10 let them, don't hold them back. If they learn by doing then let them do, don't force them to read or listen to a lecture. If someone can read a book and just about know what's in it by heart, then let them learn that way... Of course this goes back to the $300,000 a year being spent on classrooms and less than $80,000 reaching the classroom each year. The money is there, we just need to get rid of overpaid 'administrators' (little more than secretaries) and put that money to good use studying how children learn and teaching them in a way that will give them the most education on a variety of subjects.
On the subject of subjects I'd like to propose some new subjects to study:
Wisdom - a class on common sense, and how to apply it in the real world as well as things like how to spot a scam artist, how to determine the best candidate to vote for and generally all the things that school doesn't teach you that come in super handy when you enter the real world (and no social studies does not count).
Dating - The unspoken rules of flirting and dating, what different signs mean and what to look for. How to say no or yes without saying no or yes and how to tell when someone is saying no or yes without saying no or yes
I could think of others, but I'm tired...
Of course, it is way too late for schools to have any effect on such behavior patterns by the high school level.
Dating - The unspoken rules of flirting and dating, what different signs mean and what to look for. How to say no or yes without saying no or yes and how to tell when someone is saying no or yes without saying no or yes
I think this is a very bad idea, it not only assumes that everyone will react in the exact same way to romantic advances, it also teaches people to assume that others will react as taught. And then when you meet someone who says "no" but is giving off the signs that you've been taught say "yes" but she really means "no", you get some seriously troubled youth.
Dating - The unspoken rules of flirting and dating, what different signs mean and what to look for. How to say no or yes without saying no or yes and how to tell when someone is saying no or yes without saying no or yes
I think this is a very bad idea, it not only assumes that everyone will react in the exact same way to romantic advances, it also teaches people to assume that others will react as taught. And then when you meet someone who says "no" but is giving off the signs that you've been taught say "yes" but she really means "no", you get some seriously troubled youth.
So I guess she didn't pay attention in that class...
At the very least it would stop people that are accused of date **** from saying things like "I thought she wanted it". Oh yeah, you took the 'dating' class right? well guess what your excuse doesn't fly...
It would stop women from saying things like "I let him have sex with me because I thought he was going to **** me", "Wait so you let him '****' you because you thought he was going to **** you?" it would clear up the confusion at that age. While a lot of people 'get it' right off instinctively, just as many don't.
How bout a class on understanding basic psychology. You know "how to recognize a psychopath, a sociopath, and other mental disabilities"...
When a woman says, "No, don't, stop" she means no don't stop.
Does she mean:
"No, Don't." then in a completely different thought "Stop!"
or does she mean "No, don't stop!" as a single thought?
So I guess she didn't pay attention in that class...
Ah, you want to force everyone to respond to flirting and romance in the exact same way. Wow. Talk about a moodkiller.
So I guess she didn't pay attention in that class...
Ah, you want to force everyone to respond to flirting and romance in the exact same way. Wow. Talk about a moodkiller.
It's also an impossibility that would result in MORE people being raped and then saying, "I thought she wanted it." Reactions like that cannot be schooled, so you'll end up with people who would otherwise have stopped when they were unsure, now being sure that she wanted it when she did not. Those classes are a horrible idea.
So I guess she didn't pay attention in that class...
Ah, you want to force everyone to respond to flirting and romance in the exact same way. Wow. Talk about a moodkiller.
It's also an impossibility that would result in MORE people being raped and then saying, "I thought she wanted it." Reactions like that cannot be schooled, so you'll end up with people who would otherwise have stopped when they were unsure, now being sure that she wanted it when she did not. Those classes are a horrible idea.
Is flirting really so dynamic that it changes so much so often? from what I've seen it doesn't change very much at all...
Is flirting really so dynamic that it changes so much so often? from what I've seen it doesn't change very much at all...
Yes. Yes, it is. It's different from person to person. And then add in that people flirt differently with different people, AND they fsend out different signals depending on their mood...
So I guess she didn't pay attention in that class...
Ah, you want to force everyone to respond to flirting and romance in the exact same way. Wow. Talk about a moodkiller.
It's also an impossibility that would result in MORE people being raped and then saying, "I thought she wanted it." Reactions like that cannot be schooled, so you'll end up with people who would otherwise have stopped when they were unsure, now being sure that she wanted it when she did not. Those classes are a horrible idea.
Is flirting really so dynamic that it changes so much so often? from what I've seen it doesn't change very much at all...
Flirting isn't sex or ****.
So I guess she didn't pay attention in that class...
Ah, you want to force everyone to respond to flirting and romance in the exact same way. Wow. Talk about a moodkiller.
It's also an impossibility that would result in MORE people being raped and then saying, "I thought she wanted it." Reactions like that cannot be schooled, so you'll end up with people who would otherwise have stopped when they were unsure, now being sure that she wanted it when she did not. Those classes are a horrible idea.
Is flirting really so dynamic that it changes so much so often? from what I've seen it doesn't change very much at all...
Flirting isn't sex or ****.
I'm not advocating them teaching people that [X] action means the other person wants you to **** them. I'm advocating a class for people like me that have trouble understanding and picking up on subtle signals... in other words flirting...
I'm not advocating them teaching people that [X] action means the other person wants you to **** them. I'm advocating a class for people like me that have trouble understanding and picking up on subtle signals... in other words flirting...
Those are called Communications and Acting classes... Hell, look online, people hold seminars on how to read people.
Is flirting really so dynamic that it changes so much so often? from what I've seen it doesn't change very much at all...
That's most likely because you flirt with a certain type of woman you are attracted to.
You know that you're attracted to her... because she flirts with you in the same kind of way.
Tell us how you flirt. I'm quite certain at least one person on this board will pipe up with a "that wouldn't work at all on anyone I've ever flirted with".
Or, try your regular flirtations on someone you'd normally never flirt with and see if your advances work the same way on someone who's interests don't align with yours at all.
I'm pretty sure that if you try convential flirting on my girlfriend, she'd be totally oblivious to it. In fact, I often have to point out "that guy was trying to flirt with you" when she told me things that happend to her in her last line of work, or when she's doing something while I'm watching from a distance.
...or when she's doing something while I'm watching from a distance.
Stalker!
Flirting technique is something that needs to be modified depending upon the person you're flirting with. Much like a lot of other things, it's good to have a varied repetoire. ;)
Aside from that, I think we missed a benefit of homework: it teaches responsibility. Obviously that's something that needs to come from the parents, but every little bit helps. As much as I hated it, I can see why it's needed.
Stalker!
Stalker!
I hope you're wearing clothing under that coat...
Why don't you come over and find out?
Shouldn't it be the other way around? You come over and follow me around and flash? Your stalking/flasher skills are lacking.
Why don't you come over and find out?
Shouldn't it be the other way around? You come over and follow me around and flash? Your stalking/flasher skills are lacking.
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This must be why I got that F in my flirting classes.
Why don't you come over and find out?
Shouldn't it be the other way around? You come over and follow me around and flash? Your stalking/flasher skills are lacking.
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This must be why I got that F in my flirting classes.
No... that isn't possible. "F" is the result of proper flirting...
Anymore "NO"s from you must obviously mean "YES" since I know how to flirt and you are responding as I was taught!
Come here ya little rodent
Ah... well if I succeeded at my classes that must mean I´m flirting succesfully.
Anymore "NO"s from you must obviously mean "YES" since I know how to flirt and you are responding as I was taught!
Come here ya little rodent
You are mistaking your flirting class with the date **** class.
So then Date **** and flirting is the same thing because the outcome is the same (a dissapointed woman that feels dirty afterwards)
and Chlorophorm is viable... ok got it...
Umm ... you, like, totally forgot the flunitrazepam. Though your post did come after the flunitrazepam post and forgetting does usually come after flunitrazepam ... nevermind. All is as it should be.
[Taking more notes...]
Flunitrazepam... got it... wait am I supposed to take that or give it to someone else... oops too late...
What were we talking about... I just woke up on my keyboard...
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