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| #1grumpyceltFeb 02, 2010 20:39:13 | So, I watching the first episodes of the final season of LOST and I keep thinking of the phrase used by Strong Bad. "My head a polode." |
| #2strand0Feb 04, 2010 2:47:53 | IT"S A FAN TRIP!!! |
| #3The_SilverswordFeb 04, 2010 3:29:53 | I have a feeling that the ending is going to be something stupid, like it was all a dream or something. |
| #4ADHadhFeb 04, 2010 3:45:53 | I have a feeling that the ending is going to be something stupid, like it was all a dream or something. I think it's going to be something like "it was all a dream... or was it? Heh heh HAHAHAHAHAAA!" |
| #5angandbillFeb 04, 2010 7:28:28 | That's what my wife keeps saying. Someone's just gonna wake up on the plane and be like, "Wow, what a crazy dream!" |
| #6grumpyceltFeb 04, 2010 21:49:25 | Possibly a dream someone had 150,000 years ago? A new Terrible LOST Theory I have is that the bombing of the SWAN Station created two line lines... and those are the Two Worlds of Fringe. So, say Sunken Island Time Line possibly the “Main World” of Fringe, the one from which William Bell fled and Island Didn't Sink Time Line is the “Other World,” the one Living Peter comes from and to which William Bell fled. Soon as I find a way to make this theory more unnecessarily complicated, I will. I really want to tie in the Time War and the Cylons, just to make it skirt the edge of comprehensibility. In any event, it would be an interesting situation to game in. |
| #7angandbillFeb 05, 2010 5:04:40 |
Oh, I have no doubt Juliette is a cylon. Probably Ben too. |
| #8Cpt_MichaFeb 05, 2010 8:21:27 | No the big reveal will be that there was no over arching plot all along. |
| #9zombie_babiesFeb 05, 2010 8:25:29 | You're all wrong. I never watched the show and I know what's gonna happen. The last scene will be Peter Griffin waking from a coma induced by some sort of microwave experiment. The last line will be Peter saying something like 'So that's what would've happened if everyone was as smart as Gilligan.' Three hour tour, ya'all. |
| #10angandbillFeb 05, 2010 10:05:58 | No the big reveal will be that there was no over arching plot all along. I started to notice that around Season 3. It's been funny to see the writers write themselves into corners and try and find their way back out again. You can definitely they are making it up as they go along. |
| #11Cpt_MichaFeb 05, 2010 10:19:12 | I noticed it in season 1 or 2 which ever one it was they always played on Scifi. (That was when I "got into" Lost) Did they ever reveal what the big nasty thing on the island was that was knocking trees around and stuff? It wasn't the Polar Bear that much I know. |
| #12scypioFeb 05, 2010 10:29:35 | They gave some more information on the Smoke Monster in the last episode. I'm a big fan of Lost, although I think the middle seasons were kind of weak. I really enjoyed the first season (or two) and the previous season. So I'm pretty excited to see how it ends. But I think the two realities coming crashing together (maybe someone will have to make some sort of decision) seems to be where its going. So that'll probably not be what will happen. I just hope that after its all said and done, you can go back and watch early episodes and think "that makes sense" instead of "uhhh... I'm not sure about that". |
| #13Cpt_MichaFeb 05, 2010 10:30:56 | So there are two realities in Lost? Okay that makes alot of the episodes I watched make alot more sense. |
| #14scypioFeb 05, 2010 10:36:04 | I think the two realities were a recent development, although it wouldn't surprise me if there's always been two and they only choose to make it clear now. But without giving away too much, at the end of last season, there was a major event that some thought would reset the series. So in this season, it pretty much is showing two different realities: one where the reset worked and one where the reset did not. The reality where the reset did not occur seems to be the focus while the other reality appears to be the "flashback" portions. But there are clues which suggests that the other reality was a result of the event of the previous season. I don't know how much of the show you watched, so that may make no sense or be overly obvious. But I figure its best to err on the side of saying nothing as opposed to spoiling too much. Although I suppose I did kind of spoil the cliffhanger from last season. |
| #15Cpt_MichaFeb 05, 2010 10:41:13 | I'm gonna have to catch up on Hulu or something I guess. Basically there were alot of scenes were they weren't on the island apparently anymore. But then they'd flash back to the Island (with no leading up to it) with new scenes that I'd never seen before, and sometimes they'd be on the island for a whole episode. |
| #16scypioFeb 05, 2010 12:17:50 | In Season 4 (I think), they had "flashforwards" instead of flashbacks. |
| #17modern_iconoclastFeb 05, 2010 13:54:23 | Yeah it basically went from flashbacks to flashforwards to forward time jumps to backward time jumps to alternate reality. Nice stuff! I'm liking it. Sci-Fi but not in space. |
| #18grumpyceltFeb 05, 2010 22:31:32 | Oh, I have no doubt Juliette is a cylon. Probably Ben too. Well, I won't argue with that. And I've got a theory the island is a TARDIS, left over from the time war. |
| #19grumpyceltFeb 09, 2010 23:59:20 | Now I find myself thinking of Sayid staggering around, muttering "Braaiins..." Maybe Rousseau was right about that whole infection thing she ranted about all those seasons ago. |
| #20mynameisjakeFeb 10, 2010 11:21:38 | Has there been a single season of Lost where they actually stuck to a single time line? First the flashbacks drove me insane, then the the flash forwards, now the flash sideways. Does someone in the production company have a religious objection to just getting on with the story? |
| #21grumpyceltFeb 10, 2010 12:17:48 | Does someone in the production company have a religious objection to just getting on with the story? Apparently, yes. |
| #22ViolenceJackFeb 10, 2010 21:26:28 | Personally I have no problem with time jumps. Some of my favourite movies do not tell their stories in a linear fashion; you get flash forwards, flashbacks, people's voices from a few moments ago talking while the visuals have stopped and they're just kind of looking at the other person... it can really work. (I'm thinking most of Memento and The Limey). Lost is meant to be confusing. I love that aspect of it, really. The speculation on what's going on, then having them throw you a curveball to get you thinking on a different track.. it's all fine and good entertainment. I hope that the end does not wrap everything up. I want there to be loose ends, and plenty of them. Let the fans have some fun speculating instead of checking all the items off on the list. |
| #23grumpyceltFeb 10, 2010 22:19:28 | Some of my favourite movies do not tell their stories in a linear fashion... Pulp Fiction comes to mind. As does Primer. |
| #24scypioFeb 11, 2010 12:29:11 | Kate episode... bleh. Lost, its your final season, get better! ViolenceJack: I agree that much of Lost's appeal is its mystery, but it better tell me what's going on when the series ends. I can accept some loose ends and unanswered questions, but I definately want some answers. |
| #25mynameisjakeFeb 11, 2010 13:33:31 | I'm a big fan of non linear story telling as well, but when the flashbacks, forwards, and side ways, are constant and don't really add much to the story, then those techniques just seem like a crutch. Those things should add to the story, not substitute for one. Half the time I end up screaming at the screen for the writers to just get on with it. |
| #26grumpyceltFeb 14, 2010 1:12:24 | Half the time I end up screaming at the screen for the writers to just get on with it. You're only saying that because you've not seen the flash-oblique-angles yet, which are like a combination of flash forewords (or backwards) AND flash sideways. But these go into the story of an entirely different show. Like Fringe. Or Momma’s Family. |
| #27grumpyceltFeb 16, 2010 21:12:20 | Terry O'Quinn, who plays the role of John Locke on the show, gives good "mwa ha ha" or at least he did tonight. It was so good, infact, that he was "mwa ha haing" without actually going "mwa ha ha." And Sawyer had gone really redneck there for a while, engaging in a pantless liquor fueled pity party. |
| #28yellowdingoFeb 17, 2010 19:06:29 | Watching 30 Rock Haloween Episode...when one of the Characters declares to the Geeks who have pissed her off that she hooked up with the Lost Creators at a Party and they told her the Island was a Dream by Hurley...That would just be evil. |
| #29mynameisjakeFeb 17, 2010 20:10:46 | Plot Discussion in Spoiler. You were warned. Show So, Jacob was the good guy who kept bringing 'candidates' to the island to find a new guardian. Jacob could also leave the island if he wanted to. The Black Cloud (now Locke) had to stay on the island, tho? Or he just didn't feel like leaving? Except that what he really wants to do is leave, presumably forever? To do that he needs to have the other guardian/guardians agree. Since Jacob never would, Locke needs someone else kill Jacob, because it's against the 'rules' if he does it. He also can't kill any of the 'candidates'. That sound about right, so far? Now Locke wants Sawyer to become the (or a) new guardian. Which may or may not mean killing all the other candidates. Whereupon the two of them will either just leave or maybe destroy the island. And the semi-christlike kid that enforces the rules is....God? An Angel? Is the island the Garden of Eden or somesuch? And is Sawyer, heartbroken as he is, really going to believe that the island is "just an island?" Just a time traveling island, like, I don't know, Hawaii? Really? And what's up with the two time lines? One is with nuclear blast, one is without, that much I got, but...so? |
| #30grumpyceltFeb 17, 2010 20:21:44 | Plot Discussion in Spoiler. That seems to be it, more or less. Everything else, the Others, DHARMA, the castaways, are just people who got caught between the Man in White and the Man in Black. Why they are contesting, why they deal so poorly with people and the "true" nature of the island remains unknown. The guys who run the show are Stephen King/Dark Tower fans. Maybe the island is an aspect of the Dark Tower; in some worlds it is a rose, is someworld it is a glowing orb which cures mothers striken by cancer and in other worlds it is an island. |
| #31mynameisjakeFeb 17, 2010 20:31:59 | So, the Others are those brought to the Island by Jacob. They protect the Island. The Dharma Initiative was there to study/exploit the Island. So the Others had whats his name kill them all (Ben!). Except some of the Others, by which I mean the old, rich guy who got kicked off the island, he's a bad guy, too? He was going to kill all the Others (with his mercs) so he could regain control of the Island. Which nets him, what, exactly? I may be misremembering the mercs sequence, tho. Didn't it appear as if they were gong to poison the island, but in reality were there to stop it? I forget. Maybe they were going to keep Ben from using the poison against the rich guy's troops? |
| #32grumpyceltFeb 17, 2010 23:42:54 | We don't have all the information, or at least we don't have all the relavent information. Widmore (the bald, British, former Other kicked off the island) may be acting on his own, or may be following orders from the Man in White. Or the Man in Black. The merc attack failed, after all. Maybe it was intended to fail. The Others seem like sidekicks for the Man in White, or maybe just his groupies. Aside from that, they seem to serve little purpose - it took them years to do anything about DHARMA. And everything they had/have was stolen; the DHARMA Village, the equipment they got the from the U.S. Army, etc. Hell, they seem to be squatting (with permission) in the ruins... they didn't create the ruins, they just live there and don't maintain them very well. Something I wonder about is if both the Man in White and the Man in Black Could turn into smoke monsters. Just because Fake-Locke/the Man in Black can, does not mean that the Man in White cannot or could not. |
| #33mynameisjakeFeb 18, 2010 16:56:04 | Everything I've read has stated that the over arching theme of the show is the tension between faith and reason. Since Jacob leads people but can't be bothered to explain why, it would seem that he symbolizes faith, which leaves the other guy (man in black, smokey, locke, whatever you call him) to symbolize reason. Which I guess means that to the writers of Lost, reason is evil. |
| #34grumpyceltFeb 18, 2010 22:07:54 | Which I guess means that to the writers of Lost, reason is evil. Well, that is a fairly Hollywood idea, isn't it? Science and technology are bad, even if they've provided us with medicine, soap, sewer systems and TVs on which we watch shows where people who live comfortable lives tell us science, technology and reason are bad things.
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| #35mynameisjakeFeb 19, 2010 18:55:30 | Well, that is a fairly Hollywood idea, isn't it? Science and technology are bad, even if they've provided us with medicine, soap, sewer systems and TVs on which we watch shows where people who live comfortable lives tell us science, technology and reason are bad things. Preach it, Brother. I remember reading that "back in the good ole days," half of all women died during childbirth, along with one quarter of all newborns. Remembering, of course, that without reliable birth control, most women had multiple pregnancies during their lives. My work used to bring me into contact with, well, hippies (river hippies to be exact), who were always pining for "simpler times," usually while lounging in polypropelene wetsuits. Whenever I got annoyed with it, I used to ask which half of them thought their mothers shouldn't be alive. And out of the people gathered aroung the drum circle, which ones were willing to volunteer to have never lived. Oddly enough, no one ever did. Funny, that. |
| #36grumpyceltFeb 23, 2010 23:46:45 | Emilie de Ravin plays the character of Claire Littleton and she give a good, understated "I'm Bogarting the Crazy" performance. Which is to say, she played her character as mentally ill, but is a low-key kind of way. Evil Locke manages to be upsettling (a word I stole from Neil Gaiman) with just a warm smile. AzWhole island is still home to many mysteries and surprises, most of which are irritating. |
| #37mynameisjakeFeb 24, 2010 18:09:10 | If someone were to recut the entire series, eliminating unnecessary flashbacks, side plots, etc., I wonder how long the 'new' series would be? 20 hrs? Less? |
| #38grumpyceltFeb 24, 2010 23:38:32 | Probably down to 15 to 20, depending what was deemed "not needed." |
| #39grumpyceltMar 02, 2010 23:47:45 | Hrm... A violent episode tonight. The current season is following two time lines, one where the initial crash on the island happened, the other where the crash never occured. In the world where the crash occured, Sayid makes an apparently evil decision, but then the "forces of good" are jerks and buttheads. In the other time line, Sayid is more or less forced into violence to protect his loved ones and that Sayid employs violence in a different manner for different reasons. |
| #40scypioMar 03, 2010 8:42:12 | Why did Sayid even try to stab the fake Locke if the "forces of good" have done nothing but torture and try to kill him? I like Lost, but the character motivations have always been sketchy at best. But there's only 10 episodes left before the finale? Hopefully they'll start picking up the pace of this season. |
| #41grumpyceltMar 03, 2010 18:29:35 | How given Sayid was too evil impulses at that point is debatable. But the action did seem poorly thought out. I think they are going to have to pick up the pace at this point. |
| #42mynameisjakeMar 03, 2010 19:25:33 | Why did Sayid even try to stab the fake Locke if the "forces of good" have done nothing but torture and try to kill him? I like Lost, but the character motivations have always been sketchy at best. Actually, I think this was in keeping with Sayed's character. He's both searching for redemption, and by nature (or nurture) violent. He wants to be redeemed, but keeps trying to achieve it through the same types of actions that made his redemption necessary in the first place. He was, however, too slow. He let Locke speak, before he stabbed him. Assuming it wasn't just a set up, of course. But there's only 10 episodes left before the finale? Hopefully they'll start picking up the pace of this season. Ha! I'll believe that when I see it. My prediction? Sawyer saves the day in the end. He's the only one with the skill set to realize that "Locke" is a deceiver, catching people at their weakest and most vulnerable, and promising them exactly what they most want. You know, like a con man. |
| #43grumpyceltMar 03, 2010 19:41:51 | Well, Jacob doesn't seem to be much better. While the notion of FakeLocke/Smoke Monster as evil has some credibility, there is little evidence to support the notion that Jacob is good. |
| #44mynameisjakeMar 03, 2010 20:19:34 | Agreed. Locke and Jacob seem to be representative of 'old testament' dieties. One is violent and deceiving, the other peaceful, but manipulative and expects blind service and devotion. There are some interesting twists evident. Locke, the symbol of Faith, dies, and is 'reanimated' by the creature most associated with science, and, in this case, evil. On the other hand, Jack, the symbol of Science, ends up trusting in Faith and becoming the servant of Jacob. I see two outcomes. Either Locke and Jacob end up being replaced by two of the 'candidates,' probably Sayed and Jack, or the 'candidates' overthrow the 'old system', and set up a new one. |
| #45grumpyceltMar 03, 2010 23:12:04 | I am experiencing some trepidation about the coming ending to this story. Basically, I fear it will be – upon a critical examination – an unnecessary exercise in vanity on the part of some god like entities. In Sundown, Dogen said he had been promised (by Jacob) his son would be returned if he served Jacob. In the Alternate Timeline, Dogan apparently lives with his son and is evidently happy and dwelling in L.A. I suspect everything we have seen – from the crash to Jack’s use of a nuclear device at the site of the Swan in 1973 – has been arranged by Jacob. Dogan’s son lives again, in fulfillment of Jacob’s promise… in a different world. The Alternate Dogan got what Island Dogan wanted. If Jacob is working at that level of power, then why make things so complicated in the first place? I worry it will all play out in a way to make many of us wonder what the point was in the first place. |
| #46scypioMar 04, 2010 8:24:52 | The thing with Sayid is that Dogan provided no proof or even an argument against the fake Locke. It pretty much amounted to him telling Sayid that they tried to kill him because he was evil, but if you want to be redeemed, you can kill someone masquerading as a friend. Why would he just blindly trust someone who only tried to harm him and decieve his friends? It's like if I walked up to him and told him if you went and stabbed Kate, you'd be redeemed because she's evil or something. Even based on the fact that we presumably know more information than Sayid, I'm still not sure if the "good guys" are really that good. They definitely like to make things difficult for themselves if they are. |
| #47grumpyceltMar 05, 2010 21:56:56 | I read over on the EW site The Lockeness Monster, which is a great title. |
| #48grumpyceltMar 09, 2010 21:18:18 | It occurs to me that William Atherton might be perfectly lovely fellow in real life, but he only ever plays the lowest of heels. The way his characters walk across a room make people dislike them - I wonder how he charmed the nurse. I was not satified with the ending of the Alternet Timeline story, where Ben more or less buckles, as once he was principal he could have written Alex the letter. Though he could still give Atherton the boot the next next, once Alex had already graduated. I don't associate timidity with virtue. On island time, I did not quite buy Ben's repentance and redemption. |
| #49mynameisjakeMar 10, 2010 21:33:25 | Well, the set up was that the letter needed to be from a Yale graduate, so even if Ben wrote one, it wouldn't have mattered. The problem in my mind was with the poorly designed set up. She doesn't get into Yale, so her life is "ruined?" Please. And the Principle's threat to ruin the rest of her life? Uh, no. He might be able to deny her access to a single ivy league college, but I have a difficult time believing that any high school principle anywhere would have the kind of power to "ruin her life." Besides, the Power Answer from Ben should have simply been, "No, you won't. You mess with her, and I drop the bomb." If the Principle was willing to resign to save his reputation, I doubt very seriously that he would have blown it over one student. Even if accept the choices a offered, there is, of course, the issue over what would have been the "good" choice. Sacrifice one to save many, or save one and sacrifice many? Ben made the wrong choice. I liked him better when he was evil. |
| #50grumpyceltMar 10, 2010 21:48:52 | ...the letter needed to be from a Yale graduate.... I missed that bit. I agree with your assessment, but it is part of a Hollywood morality, where science and technology are bad and timidity is virtue. But AltBen still might drop the boom once AltAlex has graduated and is out of Principal Atherson's reach. |
| #51grumpyceltMar 17, 2010 17:19:24 | There is a running gag in fandom chatter and commentaries on DVDs where people joke how two characters with chem need to get a spin off where they fight crime and solve murders. We got that with AltMiles and AltNotSawyer. In another world they have their own buddy cop show. In the main time line, of Sawyer, UnLocke and Widmore, I don't know who is playing who - and I don't much care. Like Sawyer, I'm inclinded to let them simply battle it out. Claire meant it when she said she was sorry - but she is insane and will also mean it when she tries to kill Kate next week. |
| #52mynameisjakeMar 18, 2010 0:00:39 | Two sentences that make me want to throw things at my television: "We shouldn't tell the others." "I'll answer all your questions, but first ...." Seriously, how can the writers look at themselves in the mirror every morning after relying on these two craptastic lines in EVERY episode. |
| #53scypioMar 18, 2010 10:21:11 | And don't forget their common device for mystery and action. Instead of explaining their motivations which would take all of a minute, characters will insist on fighting for 10 minutes because there's no time to explain! |
| #54grumpyceltMar 18, 2010 19:02:22 | Well, it will be over soon. And then we can go on to the standard dreck that doesn't even match the level of LOST. |
| #55mynameisjakeMar 18, 2010 20:02:03 | True Dat. I can't help but think that if network execs would just accept the fact that very, very few shows are going to last 20 seasons, and therefore allows writers/producers to plan their story arc according to what is best for the story instead of trying to make every show into "The Simpsons," that we would have both better television AND more viewers. Oh, and no gripe with "The Simpsons." I just used it as an example of shows that have an incredibly long run. |
| #56grumpyceltMar 23, 2010 21:54:03 | Tonight’s episode revealed the back story of the character of Richard and generally made specific much of what had simply been suggested, and confirmed some (but not all) speculations about the man. Nestor Carbonell gave some good turns in his portrayal, though the episode suffered from predictability. Once the episode began, a viewer experienced in genre programs could accurately predict the entire plot right down to breaks and plot beats. There is also a potential continuity error, in that in this episode the ship Richard arrives on, the Black Rock, arrives in a terrible storm and in another episode it is at least suggested the arrival happened during a day of calm weather. This however is a minor point. More irritating is that despite the apparent efforts of the show, I feel more for the Man in Black than I do for Jacob. For one thing, Jacob brought the Black Rock to the island but did nothing to intervene when the Man in Black killed the crew, nor did Jacob intervene to prevent Richard from dying of thirst. It was, in fact, the Man in Black who saved Richard’s life by unchaining the man. Jacob admits to simply summoning people to the island in some (poorly thought out) effort to prove people are good but then makes no effort to keep those people alive, to offer them opportunities, guidance or protection from the Man in Black. This at least makes him as morally culpable for the deaths as the Man in Black. Further, Jacob’s notion of the need to keep the evil of the Man in Black confined to the island does not seem to work either, as in the alternate time line the island is destroyed (or at least sunk) and it is highly possible that the Man in Black is free in that time line, and the alternate lives of the castaways seems to be better in that time line, in the island free time line, than it is in a world where the Man in Black is contained on the island. |
| #57scypioMar 24, 2010 8:14:32 | Maybe the ship in that other episode was a different ship? I didn't see it well, but its assumed that many people have been brought to the island throughout the years. I'm sure there's probably a screen capture somewhere to confirm it, but that's just a thought. I think the episode furthered the idea of the Old Testament God v the Devil. It seems very similar to a story of testing the goodness and faith of man. And when Jacob had Richard give the Man in Black a rock, it seems like that was the score keeping (shown in the cave on a scale in an earlier episode). But I agree that it really doesn't paint Jacob in a good light. I'm not sure if I feel sympathy for the Man in Black more, but it definately didn't help Jacob. Hopefully there's more of a point to the island and story than just testing the goodness of men. |
| #58mynameisjakeMar 24, 2010 21:21:52 | So, basically, if Jacob would just accept his own fate and stop bringing people to the island to be "candidates" to replace him, then there would never be any chance that the Dark Locke would ever escape, bringing hell with him. Ooooooh, I just figured out how it will end! Show In an amazing twist, the writers of the show will be revealed to be Tea Party supporters when the series finale shows that the Smoke Monster escaped the island and assumed the form of...Barrack Obama! |
| #59grumpyceltMar 24, 2010 23:00:50 | So, basically, if Jacob would just accept his own fate... I had not thought of that, but it works. Aside from your evil and hysterical political polemic, I think that is an interesting insight. In any event, Jacob's metaphor for the island only works if we (1) assume he is being honest, (2) knows what the hell he is talking about. |
| #60mynameisjakeMar 25, 2010 0:40:28 | Hysterical = ha ha, or hysterical = histrionic? I do wonder about the Smoke Monster's ability to assume the forms of others. I had been under the impression that he could only take the form of someone who had died off the island, but who's body somehow ended up there, like Locke. This would also account for Jack seeing his Father, and the scene at Jacob's cabin that had Father and (Aaron's mother nee new crazy blond chick). Now, I'm not so sure, since he appeared as Ricardo's wife. This assumes that it wasn't some sort of Jedi Mind Trick or fever dream, of course. There is also the question of Aaron, however. Dark Locke said that he had a crazy mother, and now Aaron has one, too. It's possible that he may be trying to arrange a "candidate" of his own. I did like the variation on the "John the Baptist" scene between Ricardo and Jacob. Very nice. |
| #61grumpyceltMar 25, 2010 14:48:39 | Hysterical = ha ha, or hysterical = histrionic? Feh. What ever works. I suppose it is just me, but I'm not quite sold on the notion that of Jacob and the Man in Black, that it is the latter who is the only evil one. |
| #62mynameisjakeMar 25, 2010 23:29:51 |
There is certainly room for either of them to be evil and/or good, depending on how you define the terms. It's also entirely possible that the hell that is referred to is strictly rhetorical, i.e. allien dimension, etc. The fact that Jacob seems to be able to either travel or project himself to "the real world," seems to argue for him being more from this world than the other one, but the relationship is tenuous t best. Insufficient information at present. What ever happened to the black kid that was on the plane? The writers seemed to be setting him up as someone special and then "poof." Last we saw him he was a teenager and apparently no longer consequential to the story. |
| #63grumpyceltMar 26, 2010 18:54:52 | What ever happened to the black kid that was on the plane? He grew faster than the story and was more or written out of the story. Some have speculated that the Man in Black and Jacob are part of the same person, to which I say... www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDJFIC2yWM&feat... I can totally see the Man in Black dancing around, singing "I am Evil Jacob, I am Evil Jacob..." Or even John Locke doing the little song and dance. |
| #64ViolenceJackMar 27, 2010 10:50:14 | So I just got around to watching the latest, and... well, it's pretty good, I guess, but I'm a little disappointed. Dunking Ricardo 3 times in the sea? As in, "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?" Really? Geh. Just couldn't stay away from the Christian symbolism in that show. And Jacob desiring people to be good without him having to make them? God, much? This indicates the whole thing as some kind of allegory to why we're put on this island earth, according to Christianity. Bah. Humbug. EDIT: Oh, not only that, but Christianity with bad (but common) theology. |
| #65grumpyceltMar 30, 2010 21:17:26 | I oddly felt let down by this episode. I brought some energy to the Kwan relationship but not much else happened. And I don't know why Desmund (the heavily medicated person) is so important. I don't feel the hysteria about the Man in Black leaving the island has been justified yet. Granted I am grumpy and the world ending would not bother me too much. Aside from Locke giving Claire permission to kill Kate after the mission, he still does not seem any more evil than any of the other players in the mission. |
| #66scypioMar 31, 2010 7:54:37 | I've been pretty let down by this season so far. It seems like not much has been happening with too much focus on the other timeline which feels disconnected. Anyway, I was seriously hoping that "the package" was either Walt or Aaron since they both were supposed to be important and both seem to be forgotten about. I also thought that Desmond seemed to be the only character that was nicely wrapped up, but they dragged him back. Yeah so there's six episodes left and I'm starting to wonder if the ending will be worthwhile. |
| #67Cpt_MichaMar 31, 2010 7:58:48 | I've been pretty let down by this season so far. It seems like not much has been happening with too much focus on the other timeline which feels disconnected. Bah there will be no ending to Lost. Only spin offs of the various realities. :-p |
| #68grumpyceltApr 01, 2010 10:42:30 | Only spin offs of the various realities. :-p Robert’s Loopy LOST Theory Story Fact: Jack and company detonated an atomic bomb on the island in 1977, which resulted in the creation of two time lines, one in which the castaways never crashed on the island and the other in which they did. Loopy Theory Part One: These two time lines are the close parallel worlds which feature at the heart of Fringe. Story Fact: The Time Lords of Gallifrey were locked a losing war with the Dalek and under the leadership of Rassalon were prepared to employ the Final Sanction, which would destroy the Universe and allow the Time Lords the become beings of pure intellect and energy. The intervention of the Doctor prevented this from happening. Story Fact: Binding the world and the worlds together is the Dark Tower, which has manifestations in multiple worlds. For example, in some worlds, the manifestation is a softly singing red rose. Loopy Theory Part Two: The Island is the device the Rassalon and his time Lord’s were going to employ to invoke the Final Sanction. But as a result of the Doctors actions, the device fell through dimensions, time and space. Loopy Theory Part Three: The Island is a manifestation of the DarkTower. This does not actually contradict Loop Theory Part Two, because destruction of the DarkTower would result in the destruction of the universe. Further, the Dharma Initiative was able to camp out on the island for a time, poking at it and studying it. Considering the Time Lords of Gallifrey possess god-like technology, they could have captured the island even if it was a manifestation of the DarkTower. And they were ultimately not able to hold it. Of course in this theory, Rassalon becomes a twinner to the Crimson King. Story Fact: The Cylon Centurions left Earth 150,000 years ago and went their own way through the galaxy. What happened to them after that is unknown. Loopy Theory Part Four: Rassalon needed a trigger for the Final Sanction and searching through dimensions, time and space discovered the evolving Cylon Centurions. Mistaking them for Cybermen, then altered one of them and set it on the Island as a trigger – the Final Sanction is triggered if it leaves the island. To keep this from happening too soon, he set up another as a guardian. However, this has been distorted by the effects of time and space and others have fulfilled these roles. So… the two time lines of Fringe are feuding because Jack detonated an atomic bomb on a manifestation of the Dark Tower, which Rasselon was going to use to destroy the universe and now if people don’t pay attention an angry mutant Cylon Centurion descendant might cause that to happen anyway. And the trees have epilepsy. |
| #69grumpyceltApr 06, 2010 21:17:39 | After Desmond sustained his head injury, they should have transferred him to Princeton-Plainsboro. For one thing, they have an MRI with a great reputation. For another, Dr. House would have been able to determine what was or is wrong* with Desmond in no time at all. This episode was stronger than the last episode, though it was also more bewildering. It makes me wonder how much alternate Elioise knows and by comparison, how much alternate Charles Widmore knows. People in the alternate time line generally seem happier, though now the entire time line appears to be unstable – perhaps they are meant to be unhappy, bleed and die on what I like to call, A**hole Island. Before that, I wonder if Desmond is going to show Charlie the name of Claire on the flight list. * Asystematic multi-chronological neurophasia. |
| #70mynameisjakeApr 07, 2010 19:07:39 | I was thinking of your comments about not being convinced that Dark Locke was the evil one. Since the Island acts as a sort of containment for "Hell," then it makes sense that it would have guardians, presumably of the Angelic variey. Of course, it is also possible that such an arrangement would require a guardian from the other side, as well. I also kept coming back to Dark Locke's statements about "going home," and can't figure out why, if he's the evil one, he'd want to go back to hell. So, what if Locke is the angel, wanting to go back to heaven, even if it costs all of creation, making him a fallen angel, and Jacob is the demon, not wanting to go back to hell, therefore explaining his refusal to help Locke. It would also explain why he keeps bringing humans to the island; he wants proof, not that humans are good, but that they aren't evil. That would make him the counterpart to the "fallen" Locke, an "exalted" demon. |
| #71grumpyceltApr 07, 2010 20:59:39 | Blast. I read somewhere a comparison between the situation on the island and part of the story of Kevin Smith's Dogma, but I can't remember where I read that. |