This would involve lying because, as a man who has, in fact, had sex with a man, I would have to lie about having sex with a man to donate blood. This is on account of the FDA's regulations imposed during the AIDs crisis of the 80s putting a lifetime ban on any man who's had sex with a man since 1977.
So here's the ethical question... knowing what I know (my status, the rigorous testing given to all donated blood regardless of the answers to the questionaire, and my risk-factors that contribute to why I might *not* know my status) would it be ethical to lie in order to donate blood?
That said, my own opinion is that even though I could (well sometimes, overseas travel and tattoos disqualify me often anyway) I choose not to donate until someone pulls their head out of their ass and fixes some of the rules, particularly ones like the sex with other men, which I find to be unnecessarily discriminatory. A better question would be "have you had unprotected sex with someone in the last X months?"
So the base is having a blood drive tomorrow and I'm seriously considering going.
This would involve lying because, as a man who has, in fact, had sex with a man, I would have to lie about having sex with a man to donate blood. This is on account of the FDA's regulations imposed during the AIDs crisis of the 80s putting a lifetime ban on any man who's had sex with a man since 1977.
So here's the ethical question... knowing what I know (my status, the rigorous testing given to all donated blood regardless of the answers to the questionaire, and my risk-factors that contribute to why I might *not* know my status) would it be ethical to lie in order to donate blood?
It's a white lie. Go for it.
Also braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnzzz smart person.... *bites EE and infects with the zombie virus*
So while your heart is in the right place and you want to help your fellow man, lieing is bad.
And it could, potentially, result in some legal action or employment re-adjustment.
So, my advice, being what it is, is to not give blood.
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With his hunger growing, ZombieJet leaps out of the shadows onto RH's back.
brrrrrraaaaaaiiiinnnnnnsssssssssssssssssssss
*takes a large bite from RH's neck*
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With his hunger growing, ZombieJet leaps out of the shadows onto RH's back.
brrrrrraaaaaaiiiinnnnnnsssssssssssssssssssss
*takes a large bite from RH's neck*
*shakes head and loosens eyeballs*
Braaaiiinnnssss!!!
*wanders off to find brains... knows better than to look in the OTT*
Therefor, you cannot have sex with someone of the same gender.
Therefor, it's not a lie to say you didn't do something that's impossible to do.
Sex, by definition requires a male and female.
Therefor, you cannot have sex with someone of the same gender.
Therefor, it's not a lie to say you didn't do something that's impossible to do.
Well, since marriage, by definition, is a union between man and woman, are you against gay folks from marrying?
Sex, by definition requires a male and female.
Therefor, you cannot have sex with someone of the same gender.
Therefor, it's not a lie to say you didn't do something that's impossible to do.
brrrraaaaaiiinnnnnnsssssssss!
*bites mellored*
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OOC: RH, get your sig updated
Sex, by definition requires a male and female.
Therefor, you cannot have sex with someone of the same gender.
Therefor, it's not a lie to say you didn't do something that's impossible to do.
Well, since marriage, by definition, is a union between man and woman, are you against gay folks from marrying?
That's not the definition. It's what some people are trying to make the definition.
And i'm against any goverment recognizing of any kind of marrage. You shouldn't get special treatment just because you share a life with someone.
OOC: RH, get your sig updated
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How do I do that? I mean "hide" it an' junk...?
OOC: RH, get your sig updated
Oops!
How do I do that? I mean "hide" it an' junk...?
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No matter what some "people" may believe, the ends does not justify the means.
So while your heart is in the right place and you want to help your fellow man, lieing is bad.
Lieing is only "bad" if some combination of intent, result and/or other circumstance are bad to a degree that outweighs the good.
Moral absolutism is nonsense.
No matter what some "people" may believe, the ends does not justify the means.
So while your heart is in the right place and you want to help your fellow man, lieing is bad.
Lieing is only "bad" if some combination of intent, result and/or other circumstance are bad to a degree that outweighs the good.
Moral absolutism is nonsense.
Finally, a brain untou-
EWWWW, pony brain!
But since there seems to be none other left... I guess I'll just season it more *CHOMP*
No matter what some "people" may believe, the ends does not justify the means.
So while your heart is in the right place and you want to help your fellow man, lieing is bad.
Lieing is only "bad" if some combination of intent, result and/or other circumstance are bad to a degree that outweighs the good.
Your opinion.
Moral absolutism is nonsense.
Again, your opinion.
No matter what some "people" may believe, the ends does not justify the means.
So while your heart is in the right place and you want to help your fellow man, lieing is bad.
Lieing is only "bad" if some combination of intent, result and/or other circumstance are bad to a degree that outweighs the good.
Your opinion.Moral absolutism is nonsense.
Again, your opinion.
It's your opinion that it's his opinion.
Oh, and umm... brains?
Oh, and umm... brains?
No matter what some "people" may believe, the ends does not justify the means.
So while your heart is in the right place and you want to help your fellow man, lieing is bad.
Hrm...
- I would cheerfully lie to the Nazis about the Jews in my attic
- I would chuck that baby into the volcano to save the world
- I will choose to let the orphans starve so the soldiers can have enough food to keep fighting
- and if a creepy ghost thing possess my girlfriend and asks if I'm a god, I will say "yes".
For that matter, I will kill to save. Heck, that's actually the business I'm in (in an indirect fashion).
Less dramatically...
- I refuse to condemn a kid (or adult) for staying in the closet
- I will insist to my grandmother that she looks great every time I see her
- and I will always tell my grandfather that his carrot cake is awesome.
So... yeah. Guess I'm one of those "people".
No matter what some "people" may believe, the ends does not justify the means.
So while your heart is in the right place and you want to help your fellow man, lieing is bad.
And it could, potentially, result in some legal action or employment re-adjustment.
So, my advice, being what it is, is to not give blood.
There are a lot of cases of the ends justifying the means, some of which I think you would probably support.
Isn't war very much a case of the end justifying the means? Sure we play by certain rules, but we know going into it that no matter how hard we try, innocent people are going to be injured, killed, displaced, or otherwise affected. Killing is bad, but in war or even in self defense you know that sometimes it is him or you. Spies and undercover law enforcement have to lie and deceive others frequently in order to perform their job.
That's not to say that all means are justified, but there has to be some sort of middle ground. Otherwise we're all either a bunch of psychos or a bunch of ****.
- I would cheerfully lie to the Nazis about the Jews in my attic
You have Jews in your attic? Not cool, man. Not cool.
I disagree.
/Shoots HC in the head.
I'm the one who started the infection. You need to shoot my genetials to kill me.
That's what I did. ;)
No matter what some "people" may believe, the ends does not justify the means.
So while your heart is in the right place and you want to help your fellow man, lieing is bad.
Hrm...
- I would cheerfully lie to the Nazis about the Jews in my attic
- I would chuck that baby into the volcano to save the world
- I will choose to let the orphans starve so the soldiers can have enough food to keep fighting
- and if a creepy ghost thing possess my girlfriend and asks if I'm a god, I will say "yes".
For that matter, I will kill to save. Heck, that's actually the business I'm in (in an indirect fashion).
Less dramatically...
- I refuse to condemn a kid (or adult) for staying in the closet
- I will insist to my grandmother that she looks great every time I see her
- and I will always tell my grandfather that his carrot cake is awesome.
So... yeah. Guess I'm one of those "people".
So, by this, it seems to be a small thing to lie about your sexual activity in order to serve a larger purpose of providing blood.
Ethics are funny like that. However, not all "bad things" are equally "bad", nor are all "good things" equally "good". The question is if the "good thing" you want to do is of more value than the "bad thing" you have to do to do it.
So, is giving blood a greater "good" than lying is "bad"?
You can also look at it this way: is this a selfish desire to thumb your nose, as it were, at the statute? Do you truly want to give blood out of an altruistic purpose? What kind of personal stain would lying leave on you? Is it better to take a personal negative (lying) for a global positive (giving blood)? Or is that global positive actually just another personal negative - pride?
Ah, so many interesting ways to look at it!
