Never thought it would be the teachers that would bring the guns to school...
Never thought it would be the teachers that would bring the guns to school...
And how did you get that out of the article?
www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=6237
Never thought it would be the teachers that would bring the guns to school...
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
Because sometimes you just want to bust-a-cap in a
's .You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
They have their own law enforcement.
voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/e...
The guns are to replace old firearms used by Education’s Office of Inspector General, which is the law enforcement arm of the department. Here’s a statement from the office in response to a question about why need 27 shotguns with a 14-inch barrels:
“The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms. The acquisition of these firearms is necessary to replace older and mechanically malfunctioning firearms, and in compliance with Federal procurement requirements. For more information on OIG’s law enforcement authority, please visit their Web site at : www.ed.gov/oig”
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
They have their own law enforcement.
voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/e...The guns are to replace old firearms used by Education’s Office of Inspector General, which is the law enforcement arm of the department. Here’s a statement from the office in response to a question about why need 27 shotguns with a 14-inch barrels:
“The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms. The acquisition of these firearms is necessary to replace older and mechanically malfunctioning firearms, and in compliance with Federal procurement requirements. For more information on OIG’s law enforcement authority, please visit their Web site at : www.ed.gov/oig”
Holy ****!! You mean we've already got the Thought Police?!
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
Clearly you have never been to an inner city public high school.
It may be because buildings full of youngster are a tasty treat for many organizations and individuals.
This thread needs more Pedo Bear pics.
I've meant more like the Beslan school attack... but those people are interested as well.
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
Clearly you have never been to an inner city public high school.
I graduated from one. ;)
And the one I went to had two SFPD officers assigned to it, not DoE Thought Police. The DoE barely needs pistols; they do NOT need riot guns. What are they going to do, raid a school while it's in session and have to hold an entire class at gunpoint?!
And the one I went to had two SFPD officers assigned to it, not DoE Thought Police. The DoE barely needs pistols; they do NOT need riot guns. What are they going to do, raid a school while it's in session and have to hold an entire class at gunpoint?!
Did you even read the quote/link I provided? The guns are not for classrooms or schools.
And the one I went to had two SFPD officers assigned to it, not DoE Thought Police. The DoE barely needs pistols; they do NOT need riot guns. What are they going to do, raid a school while it's in session and have to hold an entire class at gunpoint?!
Did you even read the quote/link I provided? The guns are not for classrooms or schools.
Dude... he graduated from an inner city public school. What do you think?
I kinda wanna buy a tactical shotgun. I did an advanced CCW class over the weekend and it was fun. I think a tactical shotgun class would be amazing. And they're just friggin' awesome for defense ... if you don't have to worry about what's on the other side of your walls.
But yeah, it'd be fun as hell to build and shoot one.And the one I went to had two SFPD officers assigned to it, not DoE Thought Police. The DoE barely needs pistols; they do NOT need riot guns. What are they going to do, raid a school while it's in session and have to hold an entire class at gunpoint?!
Did you even read the quote/link I provided? The guns are not for classrooms or schools.
Yup. Even quoted it a few posts back.
Here, I'll do it again:
“The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms..."
Not once does it say that the guns are not for classrooms or schools. What it does say is that the OIG is used in detection of (not enforcement of) "waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations." You don't need a riot gun to "detect".
And I can, in all honesty, envision a squad of OIG bastiches raiding a school library for "wasting" Federal funds on various books. Hence, the "Thought Police" label.
The guns are obviously not used for detection. They are used for protection during those detection operations that require it.
Exactly. Now, please, tell me what sort of "detection" operation would require the protection of a riot shotgun. And how would you hold it one handed whilst rifling through the receipts proving "waste".
I realize that this scenario is over-the-top and unlikely, but, judging by the description, it is weel within the realm of possibility:
A school system gets a grant from the DoE to buy 25 copies of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain. They go out and buy these books, and then some PC mom/dad/guardian sees this library book that Junior brought home. They open it up, and lo and behold! it has the word "****" in it. They then complain to the ACLU, because Junior has now been scarred for life and will use "offensive" language because of these books. The ACLU learns of the grant and starts questioning the Feds about it. Turns out that Paragraph 8 of Sub-section G of Clause VI (Offensive Material) clearly stated that they weren't allowed to buy these books as originally written, they had to be the new versions that contain the word "slave" instead of "****".
Still plausible, right? Now,following that scenario to a possible conclusion, the Feds raid the system's school libraries, confiscate all the "offensive" material, even if it wasn't part of the grant's purchase, such as (for example) ****: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word by Harvard professor Randall Kennedy. And they do this during the school day, with riot guns, just because they have them, and can't waste the taxpayers' money by not using them. Definitely possible, right?
The guns are obviously not used for detection. They are used for protection during those detection operations that require it.
Exactly. Now, please, tell me what sort of "detection" operation would require the protection of a riot shotgun. And how would you hold it one handed whilst rifling through the receipts proving "waste".
IN process of edit.
There are a lot of school systems across the country with heavy corruption; some to the point of laundering millions if not tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. You don't think that the criminals heading up those complex schemes aren't armed? And is it worth taking the chance?
This is just the most recent one in Detroit, and this is mild compared to the last couple of decades of Detroit school corruption, many of which were run by gangs.
detnews.com/article/20110630/SCHOOLS/106...
There are a lot of school systems across the country with heavy corruption; some to the point of laundering millions if not tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. You don't think that the criminals heading up those complex schemes aren't armed? And is it worth taking the chance?
This is just the most recent one in Detroit, and this is mild compared to the last couple of decades of Detroit school corruption, many of which were run by gangs.
detnews.com/article/20110630/SCHOOLS/106...
Previous post editted.
In addition, I never said that this kind of thing wasn't possible, or even likely. What I was saying is that it is entirely within the realm of possibility for the OIG to raid schools, in session, at gunpoint.
And, from the linked article, the OIG wasn't even involved:
The case was investigated by the FBI and Internal Revenue Service.
And, from the linked article, the OIG wasn't even involved:The case was investigated by the FBI and Internal Revenue Service.
That's not really relevant. The point was to illustrate corruption is rampant in school systems.
Yes... it really is that simple.
Oh! And NB4lock!
If they really want to police waste, fraud, and corruption, then all they have to do is get rid of the Teachers Union.
Yes... it really is that simple.
Oh! And NB4lock!
Ah, unions, the EEEBEEEL pinko, communist, socialist, liberal, lame-stream, illegal alien and Sharia law promoting,facist, terrorist, muslim ang gay agenda advancing plot to make sure people who take low pay and go through idiotic classes at massive expense to have to put up with screaming five-year olds/irritating arrogant teens for low pay don't lose more pay or benefits. The HORROR of it all.
Go bait and troll somewhere else...
If they really want to police waste, fraud, and corruption, then all they have to do is get rid of the Teachers Union.
Yes... it really is that simple.
Oh! And NB4lock!
Go bait and troll somewhere else...
...people who take low pay...
You've obviously never met a California public school teacher. And remember, they get paid for 36 weeks of work.
And they can't even pass the teachers' exams. I remember reading somewhere that Massachussetts (IIRC) was considering lowering the percentage required to pass the teaching exam because too many people were failing.
I remember reading somewhere that Massachussetts (IIRC) was considering lowering the percentage required to pass the teaching exam because too many people were failing.
Yeah... that solves the problem... lower the standards, that always works...
If they really want to police waste, fraud, and corruption, then all they have to do is get rid of the Teachers Union.
Yes... it really is that simple.
Oh! And NB4lock!
Ah, unions, the EEEBEEEL pinko, communist, socialist, liberal, lame-stream, illegal alien and Sharia law promoting,facist, terrorist, muslim ang gay agenda advancing plot to make sure people who take low pay and go through idiotic classes at massive expense to have to put up with screaming five-year olds/irritating arrogant teens for low pay don't lose more pay or benefits. The HORROR of it all.
Go bait and troll somewhere else...
RH, There is a call for you. Can you guess who it is?
Show
Guess what he wants to tell you?
What? Were you expecting a picture or something?
Guess what he wants to tell you?
What? Were you expecting a picture or something?
...people who take low pay...
You've obviously never met a California public school teacher. And remember, they get paid for 36 weeks of work.
And they can't even pass the teachers' exams. I remember reading somewhere that Massachussetts (IIRC) was considering lowering the percentage required to pass the teaching exam because too many people were failing.
In most states you only need to score a 60% on the different exams. A few months ago I took the Florida Teacher Certification Exam (FTCE) because I can add it to my credentials and charge more for what I already do. There should be higher requirements to be a teacher. Still, it makes you wonder why people who would probably make better teacher don't apply to be teachers. Raising the requirements to be a teacher is the first step, but to avoid a teacher shortage, you need to make the teaching profession more attractive.
As to getting rid of corruption and waste by removing the teacher's unions, sure, that might help a bit, but remember, administrator are not allowed to join teacher unions. All that wonderful waste at the top is administrative waste. Teacher unions don't get to decide who to award building contracts to for new schools. There is plenty of blame to go around. Picking on teachers's unions as if they were the great satan of education is stupid and ignorant.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Picking on teachers's unions as if they were the great satan of education is stupid and ignorant.
I didn't say they were the great satan...
But they do inhibit proper and intelligent administration of the education system... IMHO of course.
www.teachersunionexposed.com/protecting....
teachersunionexposed.com/
www.anchorrising.com/barnacles/001506.ht...
www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com...
There is plenty of blame to go around. Picking on teachers's unions as if they were the great satan of education is stupid and ignorant.
I didn't say they were the great satan...
But they do inhibit proper and intelligent administration of the education system... IMHO of course.
Maybe you should read up on the subject before sounding like... you usually do. It's funny because up until you came along, no one had mentioned teacher unions. The only thing you seem to do was claim that the way to get rid of waste is by getting rid of teacher unions. It just shows your ignorance on the topic. I find it hard to believe that the only waste and corruption comes from the teacher's unions. I find it even harder that you can't even entertain the idea that there may be other, administrative and political parties, responsible for waste and corruption.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Picking on teachers's unions as if they were the great satan of education is stupid and ignorant.
I didn't say they were the great satan...
But they do inhibit proper and intelligent administration of the education system... IMHO of course.
Maybe you should read up on the subject before sounding like... you usually do. It's funny because up until you came along, no one had mentioned teacher unions. The only thing you seem to do was claim that the way to get rid of waste is by getting rid of teacher unions. It just shows your ignorance on the topic. I find it hard to believe that the only waste and corruption comes from the teacher's unions. I find it even harder that you can't even entertain the idea that there may be other, administrative and political parties, responsible for waste and corruption.
No one mentioning teachers unions before I did means nothing.
And, indeed, one major way of preventing waste and corruption is to get rid of the teachers union, but that in and of itself is not the complete answer, but it is a good start. And I never said I didn't think there were other problems, but the teachers union is the largest by far.
And continuing to belittle me and call me names is a douche-bag move.
*shrug*
The exception is the teacher's union. That union is still absolutely necessary.
That union is still absolutely necessary.
Perhaps.
But not in the form it is currently.
No one mentioning teachers unions before I did means nothing.
Well, seeing as you accused Cyclone_Joker of baiting and trolling... yes, it means a lot.
And, indeed, one major way of preventing waste and corruption is to get rid of the teachers union,
Major... that is debatable. You want to get rid of waste and corruption, get rid of the people that can waste money and are able to affect policies. Start from the top down. How about getting rid of the people that award ridiculously profitable construction contracts for schools that cost 578 million? You think that might make a dent in the corruption and waste?
Here is the link. Forums acting up on me at the moment:
abcnews.go.com/WN/public-school-los-ange...
but that in and of itself is not the complete answer, but it is a good start. And I never said I didn't think there were other problems, but the teachers union is the largest by far.
The largest by far? Hardly. How about politicians who waste money on "educational reform" that isn't any better than what is already in place?
www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/201...
And continuing to belittle me and call me names is a douche-dag move.
*shrug*
Belittle you? Why? Because I said that your opinion shows your ignorance about the issue? It's true. You are ignorant on the topic. I'm not calling you stupid or a moron am I? I'm making a statement about you lack of knowledge on a topic. Stop being a whiny princess and man up.
And continuing to belittle me and call me names is a douche-dag move.
*shrug*
Belittle you? Why? Because I said that your opinion shows your ignorance about the issue? It's true. You are ignorant on the topic. I'm not calling you stupid or a moron am I? I'm making a statement about you lack of knowledge on a topic. Stop being a whiny princess and man up.
Sure...
Whatever...
And continuing to belittle me and call me names is a douche-dag move.
*shrug*
Belittle you? Why? Because I said that your opinion shows your ignorance about the issue? It's true. You are ignorant on the topic. I'm not calling you stupid or a moron am I? I'm making a statement about you lack of knowledge on a topic. Stop being a whiny princess and man up.
Sure...
Whatever...
Really H_S?
Why don't you just stop being a dick?
And now you stoop to baiting?
Really H_S?
Why don't you just stop being a dick?
You know the picture made you laugh.
www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=6237
Never thought it would be the teachers that would bring the guns to school...
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Reminds me of a news report on a school shooting that mentioned the first thing the kid did was kill the security guard. Which is tragic and all that normal human emotion stuff, but also hilarious in a "Way to do the thing that pretty much encompasses your entire job." sort of way.
Oh yeah, I'd LOVE to se my 10th grade Biology teacher running around with a ****ing shotgun...I'd be dead about 3 days after next year started.
Never thought it would be the teachers that would bring the guns to school...
And how did you get that out of the article?
www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=6237
Never thought it would be the teachers that would bring the guns to school...
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
Because sometimes you just want to bust-a-cap in a
's .You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
They have their own law enforcement.
voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/e...
The guns are to replace old firearms used by Education’s Office of Inspector General, which is the law enforcement arm of the department. Here’s a statement from the office in response to a question about why need 27 shotguns with a 14-inch barrels:
“The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms. The acquisition of these firearms is necessary to replace older and mechanically malfunctioning firearms, and in compliance with Federal procurement requirements. For more information on OIG’s law enforcement authority, please visit their Web site at : www.ed.gov/oig”
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
They have their own law enforcement.
voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/e...The guns are to replace old firearms used by Education’s Office of Inspector General, which is the law enforcement arm of the department. Here’s a statement from the office in response to a question about why need 27 shotguns with a 14-inch barrels:
“The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms. The acquisition of these firearms is necessary to replace older and mechanically malfunctioning firearms, and in compliance with Federal procurement requirements. For more information on OIG’s law enforcement authority, please visit their Web site at : www.ed.gov/oig”
Holy ****!! You mean we've already got the Thought Police?!
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
Clearly you have never been to an inner city public high school.
It may be because buildings full of youngster are a tasty treat for many organizations and individuals.
This thread needs more Pedo Bear pics.
I've meant more like the Beslan school attack... but those people are interested as well.
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Yeah, but none of them are employed directly by the Dept. of Education. They're either employed by the school district or they're local cops assigned to the school. Why does the DoE even ****ing NEED riot guns?!
Clearly you have never been to an inner city public high school.
I graduated from one. ;)
And the one I went to had two SFPD officers assigned to it, not DoE Thought Police. The DoE barely needs pistols; they do NOT need riot guns. What are they going to do, raid a school while it's in session and have to hold an entire class at gunpoint?!
And the one I went to had two SFPD officers assigned to it, not DoE Thought Police. The DoE barely needs pistols; they do NOT need riot guns. What are they going to do, raid a school while it's in session and have to hold an entire class at gunpoint?!
Did you even read the quote/link I provided? The guns are not for classrooms or schools.
And the one I went to had two SFPD officers assigned to it, not DoE Thought Police. The DoE barely needs pistols; they do NOT need riot guns. What are they going to do, raid a school while it's in session and have to hold an entire class at gunpoint?!
Did you even read the quote/link I provided? The guns are not for classrooms or schools.
Dude... he graduated from an inner city public school. What do you think?
I kinda wanna buy a tactical shotgun. I did an advanced CCW class over the weekend and it was fun. I think a tactical shotgun class would be amazing. And they're just friggin' awesome for defense ... if you don't have to worry about what's on the other side of your walls.
But yeah, it'd be fun as hell to build and shoot one.And the one I went to had two SFPD officers assigned to it, not DoE Thought Police. The DoE barely needs pistols; they do NOT need riot guns. What are they going to do, raid a school while it's in session and have to hold an entire class at gunpoint?!
Did you even read the quote/link I provided? The guns are not for classrooms or schools.
Yup. Even quoted it a few posts back.
Here, I'll do it again:
“The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms..."
Not once does it say that the guns are not for classrooms or schools. What it does say is that the OIG is used in detection of (not enforcement of) "waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations." You don't need a riot gun to "detect".
And I can, in all honesty, envision a squad of OIG bastiches raiding a school library for "wasting" Federal funds on various books. Hence, the "Thought Police" label.
The guns are obviously not used for detection. They are used for protection during those detection operations that require it.
Exactly. Now, please, tell me what sort of "detection" operation would require the protection of a riot shotgun. And how would you hold it one handed whilst rifling through the receipts proving "waste".
I realize that this scenario is over-the-top and unlikely, but, judging by the description, it is weel within the realm of possibility:
A school system gets a grant from the DoE to buy 25 copies of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain. They go out and buy these books, and then some PC mom/dad/guardian sees this library book that Junior brought home. They open it up, and lo and behold! it has the word "****" in it. They then complain to the ACLU, because Junior has now been scarred for life and will use "offensive" language because of these books. The ACLU learns of the grant and starts questioning the Feds about it. Turns out that Paragraph 8 of Sub-section G of Clause VI (Offensive Material) clearly stated that they weren't allowed to buy these books as originally written, they had to be the new versions that contain the word "slave" instead of "****".
Still plausible, right? Now,following that scenario to a possible conclusion, the Feds raid the system's school libraries, confiscate all the "offensive" material, even if it wasn't part of the grant's purchase, such as (for example) ****: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word by Harvard professor Randall Kennedy. And they do this during the school day, with riot guns, just because they have them, and can't waste the taxpayers' money by not using them. Definitely possible, right?
The guns are obviously not used for detection. They are used for protection during those detection operations that require it.
Exactly. Now, please, tell me what sort of "detection" operation would require the protection of a riot shotgun. And how would you hold it one handed whilst rifling through the receipts proving "waste".
IN process of edit.
There are a lot of school systems across the country with heavy corruption; some to the point of laundering millions if not tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. You don't think that the criminals heading up those complex schemes aren't armed? And is it worth taking the chance?
This is just the most recent one in Detroit, and this is mild compared to the last couple of decades of Detroit school corruption, many of which were run by gangs.
detnews.com/article/20110630/SCHOOLS/106...
There are a lot of school systems across the country with heavy corruption; some to the point of laundering millions if not tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. You don't think that the criminals heading up those complex schemes aren't armed? And is it worth taking the chance?
This is just the most recent one in Detroit, and this is mild compared to the last couple of decades of Detroit school corruption, many of which were run by gangs.
detnews.com/article/20110630/SCHOOLS/106...
Previous post editted.
In addition, I never said that this kind of thing wasn't possible, or even likely. What I was saying is that it is entirely within the realm of possibility for the OIG to raid schools, in session, at gunpoint.
And, from the linked article, the OIG wasn't even involved:
The case was investigated by the FBI and Internal Revenue Service.
And, from the linked article, the OIG wasn't even involved:The case was investigated by the FBI and Internal Revenue Service.
That's not really relevant. The point was to illustrate corruption is rampant in school systems.
Yes... it really is that simple.
Oh! And NB4lock!
If they really want to police waste, fraud, and corruption, then all they have to do is get rid of the Teachers Union.
Yes... it really is that simple.
Oh! And NB4lock!
Ah, unions, the EEEBEEEL pinko, communist, socialist, liberal, lame-stream, illegal alien and Sharia law promoting,facist, terrorist, muslim ang gay agenda advancing plot to make sure people who take low pay and go through idiotic classes at massive expense to have to put up with screaming five-year olds/irritating arrogant teens for low pay don't lose more pay or benefits. The HORROR of it all.
Go bait and troll somewhere else...
If they really want to police waste, fraud, and corruption, then all they have to do is get rid of the Teachers Union.
Yes... it really is that simple.
Oh! And NB4lock!
Go bait and troll somewhere else...
...people who take low pay...
You've obviously never met a California public school teacher. And remember, they get paid for 36 weeks of work.
And they can't even pass the teachers' exams. I remember reading somewhere that Massachussetts (IIRC) was considering lowering the percentage required to pass the teaching exam because too many people were failing.
I remember reading somewhere that Massachussetts (IIRC) was considering lowering the percentage required to pass the teaching exam because too many people were failing.
Yeah... that solves the problem... lower the standards, that always works...
If they really want to police waste, fraud, and corruption, then all they have to do is get rid of the Teachers Union.
Yes... it really is that simple.
Oh! And NB4lock!
Ah, unions, the EEEBEEEL pinko, communist, socialist, liberal, lame-stream, illegal alien and Sharia law promoting,facist, terrorist, muslim ang gay agenda advancing plot to make sure people who take low pay and go through idiotic classes at massive expense to have to put up with screaming five-year olds/irritating arrogant teens for low pay don't lose more pay or benefits. The HORROR of it all.
Go bait and troll somewhere else...
RH, There is a call for you. Can you guess who it is?
Show
Guess what he wants to tell you?
What? Were you expecting a picture or something?
Guess what he wants to tell you?
What? Were you expecting a picture or something?
...people who take low pay...
You've obviously never met a California public school teacher. And remember, they get paid for 36 weeks of work.
And they can't even pass the teachers' exams. I remember reading somewhere that Massachussetts (IIRC) was considering lowering the percentage required to pass the teaching exam because too many people were failing.
In most states you only need to score a 60% on the different exams. A few months ago I took the Florida Teacher Certification Exam (FTCE) because I can add it to my credentials and charge more for what I already do. There should be higher requirements to be a teacher. Still, it makes you wonder why people who would probably make better teacher don't apply to be teachers. Raising the requirements to be a teacher is the first step, but to avoid a teacher shortage, you need to make the teaching profession more attractive.
As to getting rid of corruption and waste by removing the teacher's unions, sure, that might help a bit, but remember, administrator are not allowed to join teacher unions. All that wonderful waste at the top is administrative waste. Teacher unions don't get to decide who to award building contracts to for new schools. There is plenty of blame to go around. Picking on teachers's unions as if they were the great satan of education is stupid and ignorant.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Picking on teachers's unions as if they were the great satan of education is stupid and ignorant.
I didn't say they were the great satan...
But they do inhibit proper and intelligent administration of the education system... IMHO of course.
www.teachersunionexposed.com/protecting....
teachersunionexposed.com/
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There is plenty of blame to go around. Picking on teachers's unions as if they were the great satan of education is stupid and ignorant.
I didn't say they were the great satan...
But they do inhibit proper and intelligent administration of the education system... IMHO of course.
Maybe you should read up on the subject before sounding like... you usually do. It's funny because up until you came along, no one had mentioned teacher unions. The only thing you seem to do was claim that the way to get rid of waste is by getting rid of teacher unions. It just shows your ignorance on the topic. I find it hard to believe that the only waste and corruption comes from the teacher's unions. I find it even harder that you can't even entertain the idea that there may be other, administrative and political parties, responsible for waste and corruption.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Picking on teachers's unions as if they were the great satan of education is stupid and ignorant.
I didn't say they were the great satan...
But they do inhibit proper and intelligent administration of the education system... IMHO of course.
Maybe you should read up on the subject before sounding like... you usually do. It's funny because up until you came along, no one had mentioned teacher unions. The only thing you seem to do was claim that the way to get rid of waste is by getting rid of teacher unions. It just shows your ignorance on the topic. I find it hard to believe that the only waste and corruption comes from the teacher's unions. I find it even harder that you can't even entertain the idea that there may be other, administrative and political parties, responsible for waste and corruption.
No one mentioning teachers unions before I did means nothing.
And, indeed, one major way of preventing waste and corruption is to get rid of the teachers union, but that in and of itself is not the complete answer, but it is a good start. And I never said I didn't think there were other problems, but the teachers union is the largest by far.
And continuing to belittle me and call me names is a douche-bag move.
*shrug*
The exception is the teacher's union. That union is still absolutely necessary.
That union is still absolutely necessary.
Perhaps.
But not in the form it is currently.
No one mentioning teachers unions before I did means nothing.
Well, seeing as you accused Cyclone_Joker of baiting and trolling... yes, it means a lot.
And, indeed, one major way of preventing waste and corruption is to get rid of the teachers union,
Major... that is debatable. You want to get rid of waste and corruption, get rid of the people that can waste money and are able to affect policies. Start from the top down. How about getting rid of the people that award ridiculously profitable construction contracts for schools that cost 578 million? You think that might make a dent in the corruption and waste?
Here is the link. Forums acting up on me at the moment:
abcnews.go.com/WN/public-school-los-ange...
but that in and of itself is not the complete answer, but it is a good start. And I never said I didn't think there were other problems, but the teachers union is the largest by far.
The largest by far? Hardly. How about politicians who waste money on "educational reform" that isn't any better than what is already in place?
www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/201...
And continuing to belittle me and call me names is a douche-dag move.
*shrug*
Belittle you? Why? Because I said that your opinion shows your ignorance about the issue? It's true. You are ignorant on the topic. I'm not calling you stupid or a moron am I? I'm making a statement about you lack of knowledge on a topic. Stop being a whiny princess and man up.
And continuing to belittle me and call me names is a douche-dag move.
*shrug*
Belittle you? Why? Because I said that your opinion shows your ignorance about the issue? It's true. You are ignorant on the topic. I'm not calling you stupid or a moron am I? I'm making a statement about you lack of knowledge on a topic. Stop being a whiny princess and man up.
Sure...
Whatever...
And continuing to belittle me and call me names is a douche-dag move.
*shrug*
Belittle you? Why? Because I said that your opinion shows your ignorance about the issue? It's true. You are ignorant on the topic. I'm not calling you stupid or a moron am I? I'm making a statement about you lack of knowledge on a topic. Stop being a whiny princess and man up.
Sure...
Whatever...
Really H_S?
Why don't you just stop being a dick?
And now you stoop to baiting?
Really H_S?
Why don't you just stop being a dick?
You know the picture made you laugh.
www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=6237
Never thought it would be the teachers that would bring the guns to school...
You do realize that school districts have school police right? They already have guns.
Reminds me of a news report on a school shooting that mentioned the first thing the kid did was kill the security guard. Which is tragic and all that normal human emotion stuff, but also hilarious in a "Way to do the thing that pretty much encompasses your entire job." sort of way.
Oh yeah, I'd LOVE to se my 10th grade Biology teacher running around with a ****ing shotgun...I'd be dead about 3 days after next year started.