New Shoes

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#1

bone_naga

May 02, 2013 20:18:13
After a few special modifications, my shoes are ready for running this weekend.



#2

homicidal_squirrel

May 02, 2013 21:11:50
Interesting. What modifications did you make to your shoes? Also, ever think about getting new carpet1? How about at least cleaning up? Every time you show a picture of your house, it appears as if Quebecois hobos have been camping out in it.



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#3

bone_naga

May 02, 2013 21:38:21
Interesting. What modifications did you make to your shoes? Also, ever think about getting new carpet1? How about at least cleaning up? Every time you show a picture of your house, it appears as if Quebecois hobos have been camping out in it.



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#4

homicidal_squirrel

May 02, 2013 23:05:08
No because it isn't my house and I have a rugrat that tears the place up. But it's cool because tomorrow she will be cleaning up that crap. HD makes a mess too, but that's in the bedroom.

You know, there are rat traps you can use to get rid of the rugrats. 
Anyway, if you are familiar with the Skeletoe Amps/Jolts/Lites (there are a few names depending on which distributor you get them through but they are essentially all the same), they tend to get horrible reviews from the minimalist community because, well they aren't minimalist. They are toe shoes with a Nike Free sole on the bottom and a large heel-to-toe drop.

Unfortunately for me, by the time I discovered minimalist running I had already done plenty of harm to my knee. So even though the shoes have helped me a lot, my knees still don't appreciate the obstacle races I do as there is a lot of impact on them.

My solution, which I will try out this weekend, was to take the Amps, measure the sole at the forefoot with calipers, and then cut the rest of the sole (particularly the heel) to the same height to get rid of the heel elevation. The toe comparments still give my toes plenty of freedom, the sole is soft enough that I can still get some ground feel (not as much as the vibrams obviously, but much better than a normal shoe), I can keep my running form and won't have to worry about heel-striking, the sole should help give a little extra cushion to my knees when jumping off of walls and such, and I should have much better traction (sometimes I felt like I was ice skating through the mud in my vibrams).

Interesting. I thought the sole looked as if it had been cut, but it wasn't too clear in the picture. There are actually a lot of people that do this to their shoes. 
There are a few new models of Vibrams you can try out for raction. The Spyridons have a pretty aggressive sole, ut still very flexible and minimalist.I like it much better than the Trek sole that is used in a lot of their older models.
 haven't had a chance to wear my Vibrams much lately. For one, I reinjured my MCL. Toally sucks. Haven't been able to do sprints in a while. Also, since I've been working at my university on an FDA clinical study, I've had to pretend I'm an adult and dress less casual. 
I still wear them on the eekends, and whenever I don't go in to work, but it isn't as often as I'd like. 
Hopefully I can heal up quickly, and get back into my sprint routine. Still, I'm not looking to push it. I've already re-injured my MCL once. I'm not looking to do it again.

#5

bone_naga

May 02, 2013 23:19:11
I checked out the Spyridons but other than being a lot more expensive, they still will have no cushion for my landings and while it has pretty good tread compared to other vibrams, it just doesn't look like it would be enough for the mud that I am running through.

I figured it would work out all right since I cut my Nike SFBs a while ago (that seemed to be as close to a minimalist boot as I can get for work without having one custom made).
#6

Robin_Hoodlum

May 03, 2013 6:23:17
Get a room you two!
#7

homicidal_squirrel

May 03, 2013 8:40:25
Says the guy who a while back couldn't stop talking about his Skeletoes.
#8

draco1119

May 03, 2013 11:42:50
I got myself a new pair of boots yesterday. Water-resistant Gore-Tex uppers, waterproof leather lowers, and zippered sides. I've never tried the brand (Bates) before, but my brother swears by them.
#9

homicidal_squirrel

May 03, 2013 13:21:57
They sound terribly clunky.
#10

Robin_Hoodlum

May 03, 2013 16:57:37
Says the guy who a while back couldn't stop talking about his Skeletoes.




#11

draco1119

May 03, 2013 18:22:03
They're surprisingly comfortable, so far.
#12

ADHadh

May 03, 2013 18:29:59
I've seen recently some guy wear toe-shoes, but they were sewn as if they were meant to be semi-official, like something you may wear to office with a dress code. Except you know, five-toed.
The Guard says it best.
www.brooksrunning.com/PureDrift/1101411D...

grehnhewe

May 03, 2013 18:52:01
I was thinking about trying these out.  Good price point for me as they will likely not last long.

 www.brooksrunning.com/PureDrift/1101411D...

#14

EscherEnigma

May 03, 2013 19:38:27
Hrm... I probably need new boots.  I have literally worn a hole through the leather of my boots in one spot.  The weird thing is it's not a part I put weight on1...

Alas, my pediatric protection prerequisites prevent me from getting a vibram or something like that.
________
1There's the really solid leather piece that covers your heal, ya?  Well, right above that in the back where it's sewn into a more flexible piece of leather, the one that goes half-way up your shins, that's where the hole is.  It's above and behind my ankle.  How the hell did I wear a hole there?  And it's not just the one boot, the other one doesn't have a hole yet but it's pretty worn...
#15

draco1119

May 03, 2013 23:08:31
Try looking into the Bates boots. They've got a good selection.
#16

homicidal_squirrel

May 03, 2013 23:25:57
Draco, did you recently get a job as a Bates Boots salesperson?
#17

Ragnar_Lodbrok

May 03, 2013 23:27:25
No, but he is the master of Bates Boots.
#18

draco1119

May 03, 2013 23:32:49
No, I'm just trying to master my Bates.
#19

EscherEnigma

May 03, 2013 23:45:59
Try looking into the Bates boots. They've got a good selection.


Ugh, laces?  Pass.
#20

Robin_Hoodlum

May 04, 2013 8:49:11
Are you lazy? Or just don't know how to tie?
#21

draco1119

May 04, 2013 9:02:34
Nah. He's just one of those damn dirty hippies that wears Jesus sandals.
#22

Robin_Hoodlum

May 04, 2013 9:04:46
Actually, he likes cowboy boots. He's wearing them in that pic of him on his motorcycle.
I wear hiking boots.
And at work I wear muck boots.


On a side note, I got the kids each a pair of toe shoes.
#23

homicidal_squirrel

May 04, 2013 9:10:56
Are you lazy? Or just don't know how to tie?


He is a government employee, so both. 
#24

Robin_Hoodlum

May 04, 2013 9:13:03
Are you lazy? Or just don't know how to tie?


He is a government employee, so both. 




Which reminds me of something.
I was writing a report to send to the DEP and my boss was reviewing it. He said I wasn't being redundant enough or explaining things thoroughly enough. I thought I was doing rather well so I questioned him about his remarks. He replied "This is going to the state, so it has to be written so a 3 year old could understand it".

I burst out laughing!
#25

Cpt_Micha

May 04, 2013 11:36:12
Someone did a study of effective hours worked and apparently the average govt employee works only 2 hours a day.

I'm trying to figure out which sectors I can get in on for that

I've got a new set of Brahma boots last august that have held up really well so far.
Steel toed, slip resistant, water proof, nice leather, and gortex uppers with a hard rubber sole on the bottom.


The initial fit kind of sucked until they broke in, and now they are almost as comfortable as my loafers. They are still horrendous for driving anything but an automatic of course (which is why I keep my loafers in the car).


#26

Robin_Hoodlum

May 04, 2013 12:03:56
Someone did a study of effective hours worked and apparently the average govt employee works only 2 hours a day.



The A and B students go to work for the private sector, the C and D students end up working for the gov't.
What do you expect?

Was watching a PENNDOT crew work on the road a few days ago... one guy was shoveling while 3 more were standing around "supervising".
It's only tax money...
#27

EscherEnigma

May 04, 2013 12:39:17
Are you lazy? Or just don't know how to tie?


Eh, lazy to a degree, but more of that I just don't like them.  They're messy, can catch on things, and if the boot goes up high enough then the laces are either purely decorative or a real pain.

The only good thing I have to say about laces is that they're a handy material in a MacGyver situation.

Hell, I think I only have two pairs of shoes that have laces.  One's my dress shoes (which I would replace with nice shiny black cowboy boots if I dressed up more then twice a year) and the other's my sneakers which I only wear for my work-outs.  And if I had a local place that sold 'em, I'd totally replace those with vibrams or something.  But seeing as I won't buy a pair of shoes I haven't tried, I'm still going with the cheap sneakers.

But yes, I wear my cowboy boots pretty much everywhere for something around five or six years now.

Someone did a study of effective hours worked and apparently the average govt employee works only 2 hours a day.

I'm trying to figure out which sectors I can get in on for that


Not R&D or T&E, I can tell you that.



#28

homicidal_squirrel

May 04, 2013 17:07:34
Someone did a study of effective hours worked and apparently the average govt employee works only 2 hours a day.

I'm trying to figure out which sectors I can get in on for that

Aren't you already a high school janitor? Isn't that a government job?

I've got a new set of Brahma boots last august that have held up really well so far.
Steel toed, slip resistant, water proof, nice leather, and gortex uppers with a hard rubber sole on the bottom.


The initial fit kind of sucked until they broke in, and now they are almost as comfortable as my loafers. They are still horrendous for driving anything but an automatic of course (which is why I keep my loafers in the car).



Those boots sound terrible.

#29

homicidal_squirrel

May 04, 2013 18:07:28
Micha's a janitor, too?

Yes. We joke around about ZB being a janitor because we feel bad that he is actually a Quebecois hobo living outside of HD's waste of money condo. Micha, though, is a real janitor. Micha also has terrible taste in shoes.

www.brooksrunning.com/PureDrift/1101411D...

homicidal_squirrel

May 04, 2013 18:19:51
I was thinking about trying these out.  Good price point for me as they will likely not last long.

 www.brooksrunning.com/PureDrift/1101411D...



From what I've heard, Brooks are a pretty good brand with pretty good shoes. I haven't owned a pair, soI can't say, but they don't look to bad. At $100.00 they should be easily replaceable once they do break apart. What sort of mileage have you gotten out of your previous shoes?
www.brooksrunning.com/PureDrift/1101411D...

grehnhewe

May 05, 2013 10:18:48
I was thinking about trying these out.  Good price point for me as they will likely not last long.

 www.brooksrunning.com/PureDrift/1101411D...



From what I've heard, Brooks are a pretty good brand with pretty good shoes. I haven't owned a pair, soI can't say, but they don't look to bad. At $100.00 they should be easily replaceable once they do break apart. What sort of mileage have you gotten out of your previous shoes?

Since I have been moving toward lighter, softer more minimalist shoes, they have not been lasting as long.  I got about four months out of my last pair of Nikes.  Ballpark 500 miles, and they are toast.  I should have replaced them a month ago.  Did my last run on them yesterday, going to pick up something today.  I also want to find some new fitted socks.
#32

bone_naga

May 05, 2013 10:25:07
Since I have been moving toward lighter, softer more minimalist shoes, they have not been lasting as long.  I got about four months out of my last pair of Nikes.  Ballpark 500 miles, and they are toast.  I should have replaced them a month ago.  Did my last run on them yesterday, going to pick up something today.  I also want to find some new fitted socks.


A true minimalist shoe should last you a good while with proper running form. I'm not sure what you had, though, and I don't think some of the transitional shoes hold up as well.
#33

grehnhewe

May 05, 2013 10:29:45
Since I have been moving toward lighter, softer more minimalist shoes, they have not been lasting as long.  I got about four months out of my last pair of Nikes.  Ballpark 500 miles, and they are toast.  I should have replaced them a month ago.  Did my last run on them yesterday, going to pick up something today.  I also want to find some new fitted socks.


A true minimalist shoe should last you a good while with proper running form. I'm not sure what you had, though, and I don't think some of the transitional shoes hold up as well.

I think I have a pretty good running style, but it has been a while since I had a trainer look at my gait.  I definetely do not heel stamp, and never get shin splints or knee pain.  My last pair were Nike Free 3.0.

Tried out some fitted Nike running socks yesterday...awful.

Good day to shop for shoes, blowing 20 right now, do not feel like running in it.

www.brooksrunning.com/PureDrift/1101411D...

homicidal_squirrel

May 05, 2013 10:31:46
I was thinking about trying these out.  Good price point for me as they will likely not last long.

 www.brooksrunning.com/PureDrift/1101411D...



From what I've heard, Brooks are a pretty good brand with pretty good shoes. I haven't owned a pair, soI can't say, but they don't look to bad. At $100.00 they should be easily replaceable once they do break apart. What sort of mileage have you gotten out of your previous shoes?

Since I have been moving toward lighter, softer more minimalist shoes, they have not been lasting as long.  I got about four months out of my last pair of Nikes.  Ballpark 500 miles, and they are toast.  I should have replaced them a month ago.  Did my last run on them yesterday, going to pick up something today.  I also want to find some new fitted socks.

You can find something that has a Vibram sole. It doesn't need to have the toe-shoe design. Merrel makes minimalist shoes that have a Vibram made sole. Several of their models also hav a zero heel-to-toe drop.

#35

Robin_Hoodlum

May 05, 2013 11:01:13
Shin splints!
Shades of PT when I was in the Army!

But that may have had something to do with them running us down tank trails in combat boots... the dirty bastards.
#36

homicidal_squirrel

May 05, 2013 11:15:46
Shin splints!
Shades of PT when I was in the Army!

But that may have had something to do with them running us down tank trails in combat boots... the dirty bastards.


That, and you had terrible running form.
#37

bone_naga

May 05, 2013 11:26:57
Shin splints!
Shades of PT when I was in the Army!

But that may have had something to do with them running us down tank trails in combat boots... the dirty bastards.


That and the fact that the Army does not teach good running form and the fact that you often end up running with extra weight which just makes the heel striking even worse.
#38

homicidal_squirrel

May 05, 2013 11:53:23
Yup, running form is key. People don't realize how important it is. I think a lot of time people that have bad running form and go for a run and then claim that they "feel the burn" in their calves and legs are just feeling the pain cause by having bad running form. When you correct your running form, you're able o run longer, and you feel a lot better afterwards.

Also, BN, didn't the army come out and say that Vibrams gave people an edge in running during their PT exams that was unfair to other soldiers? Maybe the Army, and the militry in general, should look into teaching soldiers proper running form. It would cut down on injuries, and reduce costs by having less injuries to pay for. 
#39

bone_naga

May 05, 2013 12:37:00
Also, BN, didn't the army come out and say that Vibrams gave people an edge in running during their PT exams that was unfair to other soldiers? Maybe the Army, and the militry in general, should look into teaching soldiers proper running form. It would cut down on injuries, and reduce costs by having less injuries to pay for. 


Yes they did. They said a lot of contradictory things that basically amounted to "OMG it's new and different and therefore bad because we hate change!"

They said they were an unfair advantage. They said they lead to injuries. They finally settled on "detracts from a professional military appearance" even though the Army is the only service to issue a total ban on them. Most services leave it to the commander's discretion.
#40

bone_naga

May 05, 2013 14:02:04
Why didn't the Army complain about the shoes allowing you to fly? Obviously they were grasping for excuses. The least they could have done was come up with some interesting ones.


That would be counterproductive. They were already researching the possibility of humvee tranformers that fly (I wish I was joking) and claiming that the shoes fly would only lead to a fleet of vehicles with funny-looking toe-tires.
#41

grehnhewe

May 05, 2013 14:21:19
Just pulled the trigger on the Brooks Puredrift.  They are extremely comfortable With a wide toe box.  They manufacturers insole can be removed to achieve a zero drop.  I will probably run on them a couple of times with the insole before I try them without.  I don't think they will need to be broken in, but I am going to wear them around the house today as the fit is unique.  Gonna try them out tomorrow or Tuesday.

Other than good running form, I cannot say enough about stretching before and after.  I also like to end my runs with a two mile walk. 
#42

bone_naga

May 05, 2013 15:01:25
Just pulled the trigger on the Brooks Puredrift.  They are extremely comfortable With a wide toe box.  They manufacturers insole can be removed to achieve a zero drop.  I will probably run on them a couple of times with the insole before I try them without.  I don't think they will need to be broken in, but I am going to wear them around the house today as the fit is unique.  Gonna try them out tomorrow or Tuesday.

Other than good running form, I cannot say enough about stretching before and after.  I also like to end my runs with a two mile walk. 


Stretching is important after, but before a run an actual warmup is better than stretching.
#43

grehnhewe

May 05, 2013 15:16:27
Just pulled the trigger on the Brooks Puredrift.  They are extremely comfortable With a wide toe box.  They manufacturers insole can be removed to achieve a zero drop.  I will probably run on them a couple of times with the insole before I try them without.  I don't think they will need to be broken in, but I am going to wear them around the house today as the fit is unique.  Gonna try them out tomorrow or Tuesday.

Other than good running form, I cannot say enough about stretching before and after.  I also like to end my runs with a two mile walk. 


Stretching is important after, but before a run an actual warmup is better than stretching.

Really?  I always stretch for a couple of minutes...after warming up by walking.  I have only been running seriously for about a year and will take all the advice I can get.

So stoked on my new shoes. Manufacturer says they should be good for 300 miles. Hoping to do my first full marathon in November.  Have four half marathons between now and then.

#44

bone_naga

May 05, 2013 15:50:48
Just pulled the trigger on the Brooks Puredrift.  They are extremely comfortable With a wide toe box.  They manufacturers insole can be removed to achieve a zero drop.  I will probably run on them a couple of times with the insole before I try them without.  I don't think they will need to be broken in, but I am going to wear them around the house today as the fit is unique.  Gonna try them out tomorrow or Tuesday.

Other than good running form, I cannot say enough about stretching before and after.  I also like to end my runs with a two mile walk. 


Stretching is important after, but before a run an actual warmup is better than stretching.

Really?  I always stretch for a couple of minutes...after warming up by walking.  I have only been running seriously for about a year and will take all the advice I can get.

So stoked on my new shoes. Manufacturer says they should be good for 300 miles. Hoping to do my first full marathon in November.  Have four half marathons between now and then.



Yeah stretching is generally only beneficial afterwards. If you stretch beforehand, at least do it after you warm up. I've heard some people say that stretching before can actually increase your risk of injury.
#45

grehnhewe

May 05, 2013 16:37:54
I think the perfect workout entails feeling it a little afterward, but being fully able to do the same tomorrow.
#46

bone_naga

May 05, 2013 20:40:13
I think the perfect workout entails feeling it a little afterward, but being fully able to do the same tomorrow.


Depends on what type of workout you are going for. If you are just doing cardio or muscle memory, sure. But if you are trying to actually lift and build muscle, then no. If you are just as able the next day, then you didn't do enough. If you can do the same every day without injury, then it isn't intense enough.