Because it is SO hard to pump gas!
Most people pour their own drinks at home but we still require people to get a server's license before they do it for money.
Oregon has the same idiotic law (no self-service at gas stations). It's an excuse to charge full-service prices, even if there are no full-service services (ie, checking your oil, washing your windshield, etc). Fortunately, we've never had to stop for gas in Oregon whenever we've had to trek from our house to my wife's mother's house.
It's actually one of the few Jersey laws that I don't mind. The state doesn't tax gas as much as most states so even while paying for the attendant to pump it, it's still pretty cheap compared to most other places. It provides jobs and doesn't really cost me much so I'm ok with it.
Apparently so. One of my coworkers had never been outside of Jersey before. When she went to another state and had to pump her own gas she was completely confused and had no idea what to do.
You know, if people had others dress them everyday and thus never had to bother to actually learn how to do it, I bet many people wouldn't be able to dress themselves without help either.
Learning and thinking are choices. That doesn't mean the government should license things just because they take a smig of either.
So, like, if more people did not know how to drive, and all took public transportation, that would, in your mind, remove the need for the people opperating the public transit vechicles from a need to get liscenced?
patracide is an oft-overlooked survival strategy among humans.
That's not particularly relevant. Unless you were commenting of my usage of "mother eating" in lieu of stronger verbiage. In which case, your pedantry is ate up, because "mother eating" would be matricide, not patricide.
Or are you saying that I shoud say "father eating" instead? ... Nah, it just doesn't have the same ring to it.
It's actually one of the few Jersey laws that I don't mind. The state doesn't tax gas as much as most states so even while paying for the attendant to pump it, it's still pretty cheap compared to most other places. It provides jobs and doesn't really cost me much so I'm ok with it.
Because governmeny regulation is synonymous with job creation.
Wait, so your official position is that, in a region where many people do not know how to do a hazardous thing, the government has no good reason to want to validate that the people doing this hazardous thing for others has any idea what they are doing?
So, like, if more people did not know how to drive, and all took public transportation, that would, in your mind, remove the need for the people opperating the public transit vechicles from a need to get liscenced?
Your logic only holds up if you assume that pumping gas is dangerous. Approximately 11.5 billion fuel transactions occur yearly in America according to the Petroleum Equipment Institute. Of those, only one hundred result in accidents.
Is it true that there have been gas pump related accidents? Absolutely. Of those accidents, could government regulation have had any meaningful impact? Certainly not. I've spent the last twenty minutes reading how gas pump accidents can occur. Static electricity is one of those ways. Static shock can occur from a lack of humidity in the air and dragging your feet. It's unreasonable to assume that what amounts to a tax stamp is going to stop the weather from causing a 1/115,000,000 chance accident.
patracide is an oft-overlooked survival strategy among humans.
That's not particularly relevant. Unless you were commenting of my usage of "mother eating" in lieu of stronger verbiage. In which case, your pedantry is ate up, because "mother eating" would be matricide, not patricide.
Or are you saying that I shoud say "father eating" instead? ... Nah, it just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Lulz.
Wait, so your official position is that, in a region where many people do not know how to do a hazardous thing, the government has no good reason to want to validate that the people doing this hazardous thing for others has any idea what they are doing?
How hazardous is it exactly? How many untrained people cause injury/property damage pumping gas? Why cannot the gas station owner do this instead of the government?
It's actually one of the few Jersey laws that I don't mind. The state doesn't tax gas as much as most states so even while paying for the attendant to pump it, it's still pretty cheap compared to most other places. It provides jobs and doesn't really cost me much so I'm ok with it.
Because governmeny regulation is synonymous with job creation.
bone_naga's statement could be an application of the broken window fallacy. The name comes from the argument that breaking a window pumps the economy by creating work for those that replace the window. The problem is the statement doesn't address what would have happened to the resources that went into replacing the window if it was not broken. Here the possible job creation of the money that went onto the government forcing companies to hire people wasn't addressed, so the statement resets on the assumption that those resources would not have created jobs without the government interference.
Wait, so your official position is that, in a region where many people do not know how to do a hazardous thing, the government has no good reason to want to validate that the people doing this hazardous thing for others has any idea what they are doing?
How hazardous is it exactly? How many untrained people cause injury/property damage pumping gas? Why cannot the gas station owner do this instead of the government?It's actually one of the few Jersey laws that I don't mind. The state doesn't tax gas as much as most states so even while paying for the attendant to pump it, it's still pretty cheap compared to most other places. It provides jobs and doesn't really cost me much so I'm ok with it.
Because governmeny regulation is synonymous with job creation.
bone_naga's statement could be an application of the broken window fallacy. The name comes from the argument that breaking a window pumps the economy by creating work for those that replace the window. The problem is the statement doesn't address what would have happened to the resources that went into replacing the window if it was not broken. Here the possible job creation of the money that went onto the government forcing companies to hire people wasn't addressed, so the statement resets on the assumption that those resources would not have created jobs without the government interference.
You said it so much more elegently that I. Kudos.
How hazardous is it exactly? How many untrained people cause injury/property damage pumping gas? Why cannot the gas station owner do this instead of the government?
Among people who are used to pumping their own gas? Very few. Among people who are not? Quite a few. It would fall to the government to regulate it if it was determined that inconsistent regulation among gas stations possed a significant risk to public safte or property. Like, if some guy cut corners and blew up his tanks.
BTW, those things are designed to detach like that, it's a safety thing.
I'm assuming that learning to pump gas isn't a requirement for getting your driver's license in the USA then.
It is not. However, I've found that the vast majority of gas stations, especially those located on highway rest stops, are self-serve.
BTW, those things are designed to detach like that, it's a safety thing.
Indeed they are. They can also be reattached to the pump if you've got the shoulder strength for it (at most stores here the connection is overhead).
bone_naga's statement could be an application of the broken window fallacy. The name comes from the argument that breaking a window pumps the economy by creating work for those that replace the window. The problem is the statement doesn't address what would have happened to the resources that went into replacing the window if it was not broken. Here the possible job creation of the money that went onto the government forcing companies to hire people wasn't addressed, so the statement resets on the assumption that those resources would not have created jobs without the government interference.
I'm not certain that it is a fallacy in this case. The law requires that attendants pump gas, therefore people must be employed for that sole reason. While some extra money is spent on this to cover that cost, it is not noticed because the state gas taxes are lower than other states. Were the attendants not required, the state would have no reason not to raise the tax which could potentially but would not necessarily create any jobs. Having seen government waste, I personally believe that more jobs are created by that money going to the gas stations that pay the attendants rather than going to the state government, being run through a lot of bureaucracy, possibly being wasted on projects that don't actually create any jobs, etc.
The law requires that attendants pump gas, therefore people must be employed for that sole reason.
No, there would be an attendant/clerk on duty anyway. All the law does is legislate the attendant/clerk extra duties.
Pretty much what EE said. The clerk manning the register can't just leave it unattended every time someone needs gas. During the normal business hours most gas stations seem to have two people (only one during off hours) whose sole purpose in life is to pump gas. This isn't the Army where you have one person doing ten people's jobs (or ten people to do one person's job).
Apparently neither of you has ever worked at a full serve gas station. That or the only ones you've ever seen also had a mini-mart.
Apparently neither of you has ever worked at a full serve gas station. That or the only ones you've ever seen also had a mini-mart.
Isn't that pretty much all of them these days? The ones here certainly do.
They make gas stations without mini-marts?
News to me. Okay, that is not entierly true. There is atleast one I can think of attached to a tireshop/mechanic that, as far as I know does not have a convienince store attached. The only other ones I can think of that might qualify are the ones where the cashier stands in a little box and all transactions take place through a window: the public cannot physically enter the building. Even thoes, in my experience, sell maps, drinks, snacks, smokes, ect.
You know, I'm mentally reviewing every gas station in Socorro and all the ones I can remember in Albuquerque... and every single one of them has a walk-in store with sodas, food, medicine, cheap sunglasses, and so-on. And if you come when the store is closed then you better hope the pump will take your plastic, becasue that's all you get (no one is there manning the station at all).
Indeed, I've been to WI, TX, KS, NC, SC, MO, NJ, NY, NM, AZ, IL, well suffice to say a lot of states and I can't remember seeing any that didn't have some type of store attached. Ok, I take that back, I do remember two that did not, but they had already gone out of business.
They make gas stations without mini-marts?
News to me. Okay, that is not entierly true. There is atleast one I can think of attached to a tireshop/mechanic that, as far as I know does not have a convienince store attached. The only other ones I can think of that might qualify are the ones where the cashier stands in a little box and all transactions take place through a window: the public cannot physically enter the building. Even thoes, in my experience, sell maps, drinks, snacks, smokes, ect.
I don't think they make them anymore, no. That doesn't mean they don't exist. The company I used to work for ripped one up and replaced it with pretty much the same thing but with newer pumps. That was back in... 2000? 2001? They sold that station to another company later, but it's still in operation. They had another one they ripped up and replaced with new pumps and a mini-mart. I'm going out later tonight, I'll swing by and take a picture of the one that's still operating (though it will be after hours).
And, no, they weren't all that good of places to work. In that line of work I'd been threatened numerous times, held up at shotgun point, and physically assaulted. I've seen people throw up on the fueling area, accidentally drop their crack, been offered drugs, asked if I sold drugs, had people try to hand me bloody (still wet) money... So glad I got away from that.
You know, I'm mentally reviewing every gas station in Socorro and all the ones I can remember in Albuquerque... and every single one of them has a walk-in store with sodas, food, medicine, cheap sunglasses, and so-on. And if you come when the store is closed then you better hope the pump will take your plastic, becasue that's all you get (no one is there manning the station at all).
When I worked at a C-Store in California, we would lock the doors at about 10 pm for security purposes, but there was a pass-through window so that I could take cash/cards, AND could pass through most food items (bags of chips, bottles of soda, etc; I didn't pass through things like nachos or drink cups due to health regulations, or so I told them...truth was, I didn't want to have to deal with smart-@$$es who wanted nachos, and then would say, "More cheese!" "More Peppers!!" "More cheese!!" and I was too polite to get my revenge by putting my nasal scrapings or saliva into their nachos. That said, don't ever hassle the people who handle your food).
Suffice it to say, noone who has responded has, infact, visited one of your strange little cracked out, no food gas stations. That was your question, was it not?
What? No, I wasn't really asking a question. I was telling you they exist. Like I said, I'll post a pic later, since you guys apparently have lead really sheltered lives.
There actually used to be a website for that place made by one of the employees, talking about how much it sucked to work there. We had a huge list of license plate numbers posted there, it was our "banned list". You give the help
, you don't get served.
The threads on fire, quick hit the emergency shut off switch on the gas pump!In that line of work I'd been threatened numerous times, held up at shotgun point, and physically assaulted. I've seen people throw up on the fueling area, accidentally drop their crack, been offered drugs, asked if I sold drugs, had people try to hand me bloody (still wet) money... So glad I got away from that.
I wounder if the government permit program teaches you how you should deal with this stuff, or if it is restricted to pumping only?
What? No, I wasn't really asking a question. I was telling you they exist. Like I said, I'll post a pic later, since you guys apparently have lead really sheltered lives.
Ah, there is the malfunction. Seems I mis-remembered your "Apparently" as "Have". Carry on.
Gas station? No, not at all, it's just the poor picture quality that would lead you to believe that. After enhancing the picture, we have determined that it is actually a weather balloon.
Please, it's obviously fake, you can clearly see a rear view mirror in the lower right hand corner. Compare that to the size of the "gas station" and it becomes clear that, much like Camelot, it's only a model.
It;s a song. For some reason it is supposed to make gas jockeys angry.
No, it just makes people who liked Metallica before they sucked angry.
It;s a song. For some reason it is supposed to make gas jockeys angry.
No, it just makes people who liked Metallica before they sucked angry.
I do not belive. Perhapes I was just not around to see it.
Apparently they were good, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, during the time when Knight Rider was new?
Yeah. The Black LP was the last decent release that they had and the best were Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning. They've been really disappointing since.