And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche
What does that mean to you?
“Do you know the terror of he who falls asleep?
To the very toes he is terrified,
Because the ground gives way under him,
And the dream begins…”
This is a Nietzsche quote from the beginning of Freddy's Dead. They than have an equally classy quote from Fred himself following it.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster,
And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
fighting otyughs turns you into a tentacle poop monster and then 4chan eats your soul.
I think it's one of the most mis- and overused quotes by fantasy and sci-fi authors. I have no idea what it was doing on "Cally's War" for instance (and it was just the abyss part).
I beg to differ: I'm pretty sure the most overused quote in fantasy is "What does not kill me, makes me stronger."
I beg to differ: I'm pretty sure the most overused quote in fantasy is "What does not kill me, makes me stronger."
That one is my favorite. What are some better quotes?
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster,
And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
This is pretty much my relationship with the internet.
-Dr. Johnson (Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas [opening credits])
"Do not call on wolves in midwinter." -Russian proverb
"We have bodies so that we might express our souls." -da Vinci
Uh, "MTV makes me wanna' smoke crack/fall out of the window & I'm never coming back" -Beck
2 in my sig; 1 from "Dead Man" (fav Johnny Depp movie), 1 from a graphic novel of the stated namesake.
My dad was quick to tell me during his time at UC (here), an English prof made note of the famous,
"God is dead." -Nietzsche
The day old nihilistic Fred died, at a famous college, some kids wrote,
"Nietzsche is dead." -God
EDIT: Here's a quote: "god gave men hands so that they would never have to pay for sex."
Dead Man ftw! That movie is damned amazing.
J. Jarmusch films are nothing if not different.
Packed w/ good quotes; I love it when Nobody accosts William (Depp) post killing under the impression that Will is The William Blake:
"William Blake, do you know how to use this weapon (pistol)?"
Depp: "Yes..."
"It will replace your tongue & you will learn to speak through it and all of your poetry will be written in blood."
EDIT: Here's a quote: "god gave men hands so that they would never have to pay for sex."
heh, nice...oh, damn it *5 minute pause*, here's why:
My boss just leaned over to see that on the monitor here and she busted up laughing, spilling the better part of her coffee on my dress pants.
Thanks...oh, well. Guess it's gonna' be one of those days.
Scary clown and little boy are heading towards an dark, ominous forest. Little boy takes the clown by the hand as they enter the wood and says, "I'm scared."
Replying, the clown says, "How do you think I feel kid? I gotta' walk back alone."
How you holding up man?
I'm alright. I replied to your post in that thread explaining a bit.
J. Jarmusch films are nothing if not different.
Packed w/ good quotes; I love it when Nobody accosts William (Depp) post killing under the impression that Will is The William Blake:
"William Blake, do you know how to use this weapon (pistol)?"
Depp: "Yes..."
"It will replace your tongue & you will learn to speak through it and all of your poetry will be written in blood."
I need to see it again. It's just too good.
heh, nice...oh, damn it *5 minute pause*, here's why:
My boss just leaned over to see that on the monitor here and she busted up laughing, spilling the better part of her coffee on my dress pants.
Thanks...oh, well. Guess it's gonna' be one of those days.
Hmm. That's twice in as many days that something stupid I wrote here made someone other than the forumite laugh. I'm on a roll, I guess. :D
Scary clown and little boy are heading towards an dark, ominous forest. Little boy takes the clown by the hand as they enter the wood and says, "I'm scared."
Replying, the clown says, "How do you think I feel kid? I gotta' walk back alone."
You know, I was trying to remember this exact joke for a couple weeks. Now I know what it was I was searching the scarred landscape of my drug addled mind for. And it is hi-larious. :DA scary dude is driving a hot chick home from a club. Arriving at an intersection, the guy asks "Left or right?", to which the girl responds "Left." The guy turns right, saying "What a pity. If you had said right, you wouldn't be panicking yet."
The only good thing about Death Proof is that my younger brother is named Mike. And when they ask who taught Stuntman Mike he says "My brother, Stuntman Bob." Which is my Older Brother's name. Stuntman Mike also has another brother named Stuntman Chris, who is far superior and murderous then both Stuntman Bob and Mike.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster,
And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche
What does that mean to you?
a DnD example:
killing orcs makes you a murderer.
a RL example:
Discriminating racists makes you just as bad (as you jugde people for their believes).
a DnD example:
killing orcs makes you a murderer.
a RL example:
Discriminating racists makes you just as bad (as you jugde people for their believes).
Eh?
No.
First off, murdering an orcish child is not the same as slaying the orc barbarian about to kill your family, or beating him down in a drunken brawl.
Second... what the Hell? Racists don't discriminate people for their beliefs, but for what they are. It is a common misperceptions that in a liberal society, all beliefs possess the same intrinsic value. They do not. We constantly discriminate people for their beliefs, putting them in jail and ousting them from society, and that's totally fine. In fact, that's what's expected of us. Because it is the only way to make sure innocent people with acceptable beliefs get screwed because of, say, their colour.
-Cherubaddon
Racists don't discriminate people for their beliefs
not my point.
My point was, that if you dicriminate a racist, you discriminate someone for what he thinks. making you IMO just as bad as discriminating someone because of their race.
We constantly discriminate people for their beliefs, putting them in jail and ousting them from society, and that's totally fine. In fact, that's what's expected of us.
this quote is IMO exaclty what Nietzsche meant: You're justifing acts of discrimination against people who discriminate.
My point was, that if you dicriminate a racist, you discriminate someone for what he thinks. making you IMO just as bad as discriminating someone because of their race.
But what you think (or rather, the thoughts you act upon) are your own to decide. In fact, the whole concept of good and evil revolves around people getting cast out because they behave a certain way. However, they (theoretically) have the choice as to this behaviour.
The colour of your skin is not your decision, as little as your genetic strain. Here, you don't have a choice, thus it's not your fault.
After all, you will no doubt agree with me that someone who eats babies is a lot more despicable than someone who is black, right?
Or, to be less extreme, switch the baby-eater for, say, a randomly violent thug. Your sympathies in this case are still clear, are they not?
Why? Because you condemn the thug for acting a certain way, while you would not, I suppose, condemn the black guy for being a certain way.
Because the thing about racists is that we don't condemn for what they think so much as for acting on those opinions. Everyone has the right to be wrong (or, in this case, stupid). But acting on those thoughts the way most racists do is what really gets them discriminated.
A violent thug is presumably described as such because he's violent against other people. That's a crime. It's also an action, not an idea, belief, opinion, etc.
Maybe I'm just cautious about starting laws about things other than out-and-out actions. I'm paranoid like that. ;)
Second, it's bad policy to judge people on thoughts. Most people are racist. It's what you do that's more relevant.
After all, you will no doubt agree with me that someone who eats babies is a lot more despicable than someone who is black, right?
Or, to be less extreme, switch the baby-eater for, say, a randomly violent thug. Your sympathies in this case are still clear, are they not?
ok. to take your example.
When you throw a baby-eater in jail ... you performed a hostile action toward someone, because they've done a hostile action, no?.
'To fight a monster, you'll need to become a monster'
add a little 'beware, power corrupts' in the equations, and you get
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster,
And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster,
And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche
What does that mean to you?
Not much, as I disagree with it, at least as it stands.
"Be cautious when you battle with monsters, lest ye become a monster.
Be cautious about staring into the abyss; stare long enough, and it will stare back into you."
That's how I'd say it.
The longer you stay on the sicker it becomes until it becomes owl/bear furry erotica.
All right, first off, the idea that all thoughts are equal is NOT a liberal belief. I am sick and tired of people assigning every negative thing they can think of as liberal. Liberalism means progression, it means advancement, it means equal opportunity. Yes, there are radical liberals, but there are also radical conservatives, and radical conservatives are more likely to get into positions of power. (In fact, the radical right wing is the core of the Republican party, whereas radical liberals can't catch a break since as a country America is so far to the right we can't see the light of day.)
Second, it's bad policy to judge people on thoughts. Most people are racist. It's what you do that's more relevant.
I didn't mean to offend you. I'm not in any way assigning every negative thing to the liberals; after all, I'm a liberal myself (like most people here around me in Germany). I know little about the dynamics of American politics, and maybe we mean different things by Liberal. If you want to call absolute tolerance radically liberal or neo-liberal or whatever, be my guest. I was not so much attributing it to a political party as to a political system that is very liberal itself - to be meaningful, the German one, though I don't suppose the American is much different.
Second, I don't know people's thoughts, so I can't judge them by those. I know their words, so I can think they're stupid; and I know their actions, so I can think they're evil. And if the entire society thinks that way, they get jailed.
Oh, and just for understanding's sake: by racist, you mean that he believes his race to be superior and all others to be fit only to serve or die? How are most people like that?