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#1 kids Jun 28, 2009 10:19:11	(honestly not sure if this is a better fit ofr Leaders, general, races or development forum) I'd like to see some of your outlandish contraptions made when you tried to convert a concept that's not exactly originally fantasy into D&D (in this case, 4E since it is more flexible for that purpose). ------------------------------------------------------- My contribution: ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&DI Character Builder ====== Optimus Prime, level 4 Warforged, Artificer FINAL ABILITY SCORES Str 10, Con 17, Dex 10, Int 18, Wis 14, Cha 10. STARTING ABILITY SCORES Str 8, Con 14, Dex 10, Int 17, Wis 14, Cha 10. AC: 19 Fort: 17 Reflex: 17 Will: 17 HP: 49 Surges: 10 Surge Value: 12 TRAINED SKILLS Arcana +11, Perception +9, Heal +9, Diplomacy +7, History +11, Nature +9 UNTRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +2, Bluff +2, Dungeoneering +4, Endurance +7, Insight +4, Intimidate +4, Religion +6, Stealth +2, Streetwise +2, Thievery +2, Athletics +2 FEATS Artificer: Alchemist Level 1: Initiate of the Old Faith Level 2: Improved Warforged Resolve Level 4: Toughness POWERS Artificer at-will 1: Thundering Armor Artificer at-will 1: Magic Weapon (Preview) Artificer daily 1: Caustic Rampart Artificer encounter 1: Shielding Cube Artificer encounter 3: Fiery Infusion Artificer utility 2: Restorative Infusion Initiate of the Old Faith: Pounce ITEMS Adventurer's Kit, Leather Armor of Cleansing +1, Magic Greatclub +1, Thunderburst Crossbow +1, Amulet of Protection +1, Magic Orb +1 RITUALS Make Whole, Comprehend Language, Detect Secret Doors, Eye of Alarm ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&DI Character Builder ====== ------------------------------------------------------------------ So here is a character with a bunch of mechanical powers, mostly defensive in nature, including a basic melee (Magic Weapon) and a basic ranged attack, which can also act as a rocket launcher in emergency (Thunderburst daily power). The druid multiclass feat serves to give him Wild Shape, which is reflavored as his truck form. It is not a fighting form, but if needed he can try to run someone down like any other vehicle would (Pounce on charge) and he retains all of his Warforged attributes while in that form. Playable from level 1 to 30, depending on desired power level! p.s. this wasn't inspired by the 2nd movie. I didn't like it at all.
#2 Alex_ Jun 28, 2009 11:00:54	Funny idea. I don't know about Artificer though. Optimus doesn't do much repairing or technical stuff. That'd be ratchet. Optimus is definitely a Warlord.
#3 GMforPowergamers Jun 28, 2009 14:03:16	Optimus is definitely a Warlord. I would go so far as Warlord!Fighter hybrid...he does kick serieus butt, and is normaly seen as the best warrior of the group
#4 marshzd Jun 28, 2009 14:12:43	I like it! But...Only level 4? And with those low of stats?
#5 salla Jun 28, 2009 14:23:35	I like it! But...Only level 4? And with those low of stats? He did say he didn't like the movie. That, and this is live-action movie Prime. Animated G1 Prime would be a lot more badass.
#6 TheBouncyPherret Jun 28, 2009 14:39:01	Funny idea. I don't know about Artificer though. Optimus doesn't do much repairing or technical stuff. That'd be ratchet. Optimus is definitely a Warlord. Have you SEEN the new movie? He's a TWF ranger! TBP
#7 salla Jun 28, 2009 14:41:46	Have you SEEN the new movie? He's a TWF ranger! TBP Okay, Warlord/Tempest Fighter hybrid.
#8 baneofelves Jun 28, 2009 14:42:10	Optimus does NOT have a STR that low. No. This is not a good stat-up of him. I'd say that he would probably be a Warforged Tempest Fighter or something like that.
#9 klivian Jun 28, 2009 15:09:39	Optimus is a classic paladin, he is the embodiment of a LG Paladin
#10 baneofelves Jun 28, 2009 15:11:53	Optimus is a classic paladin, he is the embodiment of a LG Paladin Ehh, I don't know about him being a Paladin. Fighter seems a bit more like it to me; you can be LG and not be a Paladin, you can be a Paladin and not be LG.
#11 GMforPowergamers Jun 28, 2009 15:44:45	Level 9 ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&DI Character Builder ====== Prime, level 9 Warforged, Fighter|Warlord Hybrid Warlord: Hybrid Warlord Will Hybrid Talent: Commanding Presence Commanding Presence: Tactical Presence FINAL ABILITY SCORES Str 20, Con 15, Dex 8, Int 16, Wis 10, Cha 14. STARTING ABILITY SCORES Str 16, Con 13, Dex 8, Int 14, Wis 10, Cha 14. AC: 24 Fort: 22 Reflex: 20 Will: 20 HP: 73 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 18 TRAINED SKILLS Athletics +13, Intimidate +13, Diplomacy +11 UNTRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +2, Arcana +7, Bluff +6, Dungeoneering +4, Endurance +9, Heal +4, History +7, Insight +4, Nature +4, Perception +4, Religion +7, Stealth +2, Streetwise +6, Thievery +2 FEATS Level 1: Component Modification Level 2: Improved Warforged Resolve Level 4: Warforged Tactics Level 6: Hybrid Talent Level 8: Toughness POWERS Hybrid Fighter at-will 1: Cleave Hybrid Warlord at-will 1: Wolf Pack Tactics Hybrid daily 1: Comeback Strike Hybrid daily 5: Villain's Nightmare Hybrid daily 9: Thicket of Blades Hybrid encounter 1: Warlord's Favor Hybrid encounter 3: Dance of Steel Hybrid encounter 7: Sunder Armor Hybrid utility 2: Pass Forward Hybrid utility 6: Rousing Words ITEMS Tactician's Finemail +2, Warsoul Longsword +2, Cloak of Survival +2, Iron Armbands of Power (heroic tier), Light Shield, Matrix of leadership* ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&DI Character Builder ======
#12 WhiteHarness Jun 28, 2009 17:50:49	I think Optimus Prime would wear something better than leather armour. He'd be in scale, at least...
#13 kids Jun 28, 2009 18:07:27	Hahaha, the warlord builds are very much to my liking too! But my point in doing such a build is to have minimal reflavoring. For example, Warlord fits the style, but pushes Optimus to use all kinds of weapons that take a whole lot of reskinning to fit into his image, and fighter really makes him only a melee basher whereas he should have some varied abilities (doesn't he shoot at least some ranged weapons?). I liked Artificer because it had a nice mechanical feel from the start, though the STR thingy did bother me. I think his power level would be exactly that: level. A powerful, movie-like Optimus Prime is lvl 30, but that is not playable in most games. He can be statted at any level, depending on the power. But my goal was to find something that works even at level 1 (maybe Artificer Encounter 1 won't kill the dragon, but it is still very cool --- Shielding Cube = Allspark!). I feel I should elaborate a bit on the movies without trying to start a flamewar: I loved the first movie and was very disappointed with the second one. But that I didn't like it, you're right, is no reason to not take into account Optimus's TWF abilities from the second movie. What did you think? As much as I'd like to, I do not recommend seeing the second one :-| ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is something else, from the second movie! ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&DI Character Builder ====== Ravage, level 4 Warforged, Rogue Rogue Tactics: Artful Dodger Pact Initiate: Pact Initiate (dark pact) FINAL ABILITY SCORES Str 12, Con 14, Dex 17, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 17. STARTING ABILITY SCORES Str 10, Con 12, Dex 16, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 16. AC: 18 Fort: 15 Reflex: 18 Will: 17 HP: 41 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 10 TRAINED SKILLS Stealth +13, Thievery +10, Dungeoneering +7, Acrobatics +10, Athletics +8, Perception +7, Intimidate +12 UNTRAINED SKILLS Arcana +2, Bluff +5, Diplomacy +5, Endurance +6, Heal +2, History +2, Insight +2, Nature +2, Religion +2, Streetwise +5 FEATS Level 1: Pact Initiate Level 2: Skill Focus (Stealth) Level 4: Dirty Fighting POWERS Rogue at-will 1: Deft Strike Rogue at-will 1: Sly Flourish Rogue daily 1: Blinding Barrage Rogue encounter 1: Unbalancing Shot Rogue encounter 3: Setup Strike Rogue utility 2: Great Leap ITEMS Adventurer's Kit, Slick Leather Armor +1, Vicious Short sword +1, Swiftshot Hand Crossbow +1, Vicious Shuriken +1, Brooch of Shielding +1 ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&DI Character Builder ====== I've made Ravage as a stealthy warrior with a lot of mobility/distruptive stuff that has some other powers from his "dark pact" with Decepticons. Warlock is good at higher levels for providing swarm, invisibility and mass attack powers that Ravage displays. A brutal scoundrel would be good as well, but then supernatural abilities would suffer a bit. Also playable from 1 to 30. Maybe someone will once run a Transformer game using D&D rules like these examples? p.s. Matrix of Leadership* Awesome idea!!!
#14 kalstrand Jun 28, 2009 18:28:26	Optimus is a classic paladin, he is the embodiment of a LG Paladin I agree 100% that is is a paladin. Especially in the first movie. I won't quite go so far as to say he is LG but he is definately good.
#15 tbone777 Jun 28, 2009 18:49:37	OMG this thread made me have a nerdgasm. I love you guys.
#16 undrave Jun 28, 2009 20:13:18	Well Optimus Prime WAS the 'spiritual leader' of the whole Cybertronian race before High Protector Megatron created the Decepticon so I would see him as a Paladin of the AllSpark or Primus (though personally I'd rather have him as Palladin of Primus. Who wouldn't worship their own planet if it could turn into a ginormous robot? :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0q6YjOXQIc ). I wonder what kind of Channel Divinity power you'd get out of Primus...
#17 erico Jun 28, 2009 20:24:50	I agree with the others: Ratchet is a far better choice for Artificer than Prime. In a 4th Ed Transformers campaign, the title of "Leader" is...well, misleading. Prime is obviously the leader of the force, but at any time do we see big blue healing people or using funky powers? No, not hardly. Prime uses (Depending on the setting he's referenced from) various melee weapons and a mighty powerful blaster cannon. The best route to go would be to make Ratchet a Cleric/Artificer hybrid, but since there is no Artificer Hybrid association yet... Here's Ratchet as the warforged focused cleric! (I'm not going Artificer until the Character Builder uploads the new Artificer options...) Ratchet, Warforged Cleric Init +2 HP 42/42 Bloodied 21 Healing Surge 10 (0 used /9) AC 18 Fort 14 Reflex 13 Will 17 Speed -1 Str 12 (+3) Con 14 (+4) Dex 10 (+2) Int 12 (+3) Wis 18 (+6) Cha 10 (+2) Warforged Resolve POWERS: Lance of Faith Healing Word Split The Sky Cure Light Wounds Priest's Shield Channel Divinity Healing Strike Beacon of Hope This build of Ratchet takes advantage of his many years fighting the Decepticon menace; his wisdom through countless campaigns, and his ability to patch his teammates back together again. Not the strongest fighter on the squad, Ratchet isn't helpless: His Surgical EMP Emitter can be refocused to launch a dizzying array of energy attacks, and his arm-mounted repeating crossbow (I.E. Chaingun) serves him in a pinch. When the need requires him to get up close and personal, Ratchet relies on a heavy blunted mace to get the job done. That said, as Ratchet is one of the most grizzled members under Prime's leadership, he's considered slightly outdated by most. Not spry, not strong, he makes up for it with grim resolve and the knowledge that everything his experience has garnered may very well be the only thing keeping his teammates from shutting down and joining the Allspark. -Erico
#18 undrave Jun 28, 2009 20:38:40	Well its not like Warlords do any actual healing. Optimus to me is closer to a Warlord with good CHA. Not sure which type though. Inspiring because he's obviously an inspiring prescence who can rouse his people into action. He could be Ressourceful since he can plan ahead use tactics on the fly. He often leads by exemple so he could at the very least have a few Bravolord powers. He should also have a decent WIS score since he can be insightful. Frankly 22 points just wouldn't work for such a mythic figure! A mighty wielder of the Matrix of Leadership! I think he should be stated out with like...30 points!
#19 Alter_Boy Jun 28, 2009 20:54:28	Needs Druid Multi-classing. For Wild Shape!
#20 undrave Jun 28, 2009 20:58:39	Ya know... Hasbro does own both Transformers AND WotC... and the Transformers multi-verse has Axiom Nexus who is a lot like Sigil so there is a chance for some multiplanar crossing over hehehehe... That would be an AWESOME and brand new 4e campaign setting right there XD Imagine Beast Wars with the TFs crashing in a DnD world and taking on the shape of various iconic monsters! Rattrap would have been dire XD
#21 GMforPowergamers Jun 28, 2009 21:14:22	Needs Druid Multi-classing. For Wild Shape! I think you are thinking of optimus Primal
#22 Alter_Boy Jun 28, 2009 21:17:34	I think you are thinking of optimus Primal If it doesn't transform, it ain't a Transformer! (But I would be interested in a homebrew "Vehicle Shape" class feature if you have it. ;) )
#23 undrave Jun 28, 2009 21:42:27	I think you are thinking of optimus Primal Which would be just as cool if you ask me. I'd see Primal as a Bravolord "Sometimes crazy works!" :p Until he went all Druid/Invoker in Beast Machines.
#24 kids Jun 29, 2009 5:17:10	Well, if we are going strictly by the movies, most of Optimus's actions involve marking Megatron to protect Sam. Thus he would be a Fighter and wouldn't need anything else. But if you were to play Optimus as an estranged transformer in some other world, he would probably do well with some diversification... Think about it - the Autobots crash land into Faerun or Eberron and learn Common from the World-Wide-Weave? :P
#25 ryanthemagus1 Jun 29, 2009 12:42:17	Somewhat related; A player in my group created a Warforged Druid. His name? Optimus Primal.
#26 lyran Jul 06, 2009 17:07:21	It's nice to see something like this. But I'm afraid that it would be definitely better to design transformers as monsters. I suppose you could adapt it to a race but otherwise building them like characters is not the way to go. As a matter of fact I'm going to be working on stats for The Fallen soon if anybody would like to help just send me a PM. I'm probably going to be stating out some other transformers as well Anyway, back to the main subject. I really think the level is way too low. And I'm going to agree with everybody else on the class decision. You’d probably be better off with a fighter/warlord mix. The ability scores are off. I like what you've done all around though, so here’s to you! :D
#27 Dark_Stryke Jul 08, 2009 13:31:37	Somewhat related; A player in my group created a Warforged Druid. His name? Optimus Primal. That right there is pure. Unfiltered. Win.
#28 toastedamphibian Jul 08, 2009 18:40:51	I'm sorry, quick question: Shouldn't all the transformers be Warforged Hybrid Druid/X ?
#29 oxybe Jul 08, 2009 22:53:33	while not a Transformer, he is a robot Warforged, Sorceror Level 8 Spell Source: Storm Magic FINAL ABILITY SCORES Str 10, Con 14, Dex 18, Int 12, Wis 10, Cha 18. STARTING ABILITY SCORES Str 10(8+racial), Con 14(12+racial), Dex 16, Int 12, Wis 10, Cha 16. AC: +17 Fort: +14 Reflex: +16 Will: +19 HP: 61 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 15 Initiative +10 Speed: 6 TRAINED SKILLS Arcana+10, Bluff+13, Endurance+13, Intimidate+15 UNTRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics, Athletics, Diplomacy, Dungeoneering, Heal, History, Insight, Nature, Perception, Religion, Stealth, Streetwise, Thievery FEATS Level 1: Implement Expertise (Dagger) Level 2: Tempest Magic Level 4: Arcane Spell Fury Level 6: Student of malediction Level 8: Sorcerous Blade Channeling POWERS Sorcerer at-will 1: Storm Walk Sorcerer at-will 1: Lightning Strike Sorcerer encounter 1: Whirlwind Sorcerer encounter 3: Thundering Gust Sorcerer encounter 7: Shout Sorcerer utility 2: Sorcerous Sirocco Sorcerer utility 6: Energetic Flight Sorcerer daily 1: Howling Tempest Sorcerer daily 5: Thunder Leap Warforged Racial: Warforged Resolve Feat: Warlock Curse (1/enc, lasts until the curse damages the target) ITEMS +2 armbow(lvl 8 item), +2 Wyrmtooth Dagger (lvl 7 item), +2 Cloak of Survival (lvl 9 item). 2700GP other items +2 cloth armor (1800gp), potion of healing x4 (200gp total), Catstep Boots (680 GP), 20 gp left over as an extra bonus feature: http://www.toycyte.com/make-your-own-airman one of the coolest and well made custom models i've seen in a long time an airman with working fan plus the catchy "can't beat airman" youtube video. s'were i found the image on top too!. ah google... the gems you find. really though... this is airman: blowing you left and right, up and down, using his high mobility to fly all over the place while ripping you to shreds with violent and destructive tornadoes. in combat (when he's trying) he's actually pretty destructive... most of his attacks get +11 or more base damage (cha +dex +weapon enchant +1 if thunder/lightning, +2 if bloodied). especially once you consider the amount of burst 1 or 2 attacks he has, dealing 20+ damage on average in a 3x3 area is pretty nasty. if forced into combat without his implement, his armbow/blaster is a good backup weapon until he can get to his dagger.
#30 zombie_babies Jul 09, 2009 9:21:58	I'm sorry, quick question: Shouldn't all the transformers be Warforged Hybrid Druid/X ? No. Hybrid Druid is kinda no fun. Ya can't use yer other class powahs when yer in Beast Form. An' why would ya ever not be in BF? :P
#31 toastedamphibian Jul 09, 2009 16:13:45	No. Hybrid Druid is kinda no fun. Ya can't use yer other class powahs when yer in Beast Form. An' why would ya ever not be in BF? :P Oh's no! Transformer has to transform to be good Transformer! NOOOES!!! Edit: Your right, not being able to swing your sword when your shaped like a truck is completly opposed to transformer lore. We all know they all have access to all of their abilites regardless of what shape they are in.
#32 zombie_babies Jul 10, 2009 10:24:08	Oh's no! Transformer has to transform to be good Transformer! NOOOES!!! Edit: Your right, not being able to swing your sword when your shaped like a truck is completly opposed to transformer lore. We all know they all have access to all of their abilites regardless of what shape they are in. Hey man, all I said was Hybrid Druid wasn't any kind of fun. I didn't say it didn't fit the concept.
#33 toastedamphibian Jul 10, 2009 19:38:16	I never claimed it was fun, I claimed it fit the concept. It's not my fault if the concept isn't fun.