That's cool!
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That's cool!
It's rare that we share a sentiment, but this is one of those times.
I approve of this venture. Were I a satellite, I would prefer to be repaired by fellow machines. Humans are clumsy when they are out of their element.
Give it a break, will ya goldo?!
They'd probably get bigger fuel tanks or something, but still.
For cryin' out loud!
Give it a break, will ya goldo?!
To be fair, I'm pretty sure he was joking.
I'm pretty anti-capitalist as well, but this just makes a lot of sense. It's a job that humans shouldn't be doing; far more cost-effective (because it's less resource-intensive, and thus more environmentally friendly) to do this with machines rather than people. I think we can all get behind it, regardless of political leanings.
For cryin' out loud!
Give it a break, will ya goldo?!To be fair, I'm pretty sure he was joking.
While I agree with your assessment of it being a joke, it is also kindof true. As robots get more advanced, particularly in their ability to "see"/scan their environment, they will be able to take over more of the manual labor jobs. And, honestly, we are seeing that environment scanning technology emerging in video game systems with things like the Xbox Kinect. I'm not saying it'll happen tommorrow, or even in 5 years, but the pace of technological improvement and the drive to reduce costs in industry will eventually usher in that change wherever it can.
Of course it was a joke.
Even though I am almost the complete opposite of goldo, errr, this guy, I have to admit.... I kinda like him.
But dude, sometimes your jokes are hard to read... and sometimes, they aren't even "jokes"...
But to be fair, you have made me LOL from time to time...
Of course it was a joke.
Even though I am almost the complete opposite of goldo, errr, this guy, I have to admit.... I kinda like him.
But dude, sometimes your jokes are hard to read... and sometimes, they aren't even "jokes"...
But to be fair, you have made me LOL from time to time...
How do you know a Quebecois is telling a joke?
He's not funny
Of course it was a joke.
Even though I am almost the complete opposite of goldo, errr, this guy, I have to admit.... I kinda like him.
But dude, sometimes your jokes are hard to read... and sometimes, they aren't even "jokes"...
But to be fair, you have made me LOL from time to time...
How do you know a Quebecois is telling a joke?
He's not funny
Good one!
But expect some base, crude Polish jokes...
For cryin' out loud!
Give it a break, will ya goldo?!To be fair, I'm pretty sure he was joking.
While I agree with your assessment of it being a joke, it is also kindof true. As robots get more advanced, particularly in their ability to "see"/scan their environment, they will be able to take over more of the manual labor jobs. And, honestly, we are seeing that environment scanning technology emerging in video game systems with things like the Xbox Kinect. I'm not saying it'll happen tommorrow, or even in 5 years, but the pace of technological improvement and the drive to reduce costs in industry will eventually usher in that change wherever it can.
I think this is a good thing. It should raise the standards of education that one needs in order to gain employment. It kind of reminds me of Star Trek. Everytime I saw that show, I wondered where were the dumb crew members? Everyone on those ships had a freaking Ph.D. in physics or something. If you look at the Navy, we have some dumb as a rock sailors.
It should raise the standards of education that one needs in order to gain employment
If you assume that anyone has the capabilities to reach University, then yes. Personally, I've met too many people to be able to think that, some people just are unable to learn anything and will forever be dumb as rocks... and they will become obsolete.
I'm still in doubt as to whether that's a bad thing, though.
It should raise the standards of education that one needs in order to gain employment
If you assume that anyone has the capabilities to reach University, then yes. Personally, I've met too many people to be able to think that, some people just are unable to learn anything and will forever be dumb as rocks... and they will become obsolete.
I'm still in doubt as to whether that's a bad thing, though.
Unless an individua is born with some developmental disorder, I think anyone can go to a university and benefit from it. Some people just learn to be stupid.
That we are doing something more efficiently? Is that what you keep trying to argue against?
If we get robot and AI technology to the point where it's cheaper (all things considered, including construction, fuel/power, regular maintenance, replacement, and so-on) to have robots perform virtually all manual labor positions then people, what do we do with the people that, to put it bluntly, just aren't smart enough to perform jobs that aren't manual labor?
Seems like it would be a crisis point for the capitalism vs. socialism debate.
I'm not sure about others, but it is an interesting question on it's own.
If we get robot and AI technology to the point where it's cheaper (all things considered, including construction, fuel/power, regular maintenance, replacement, and so-on) to have robots perform virtually all manual labor positions then people, what do we do with the people that, to put it bluntly, just aren't smart enough to perform jobs that aren't manual labor?
Seems like it would be a crisis point for the capitalism vs. socialism debate.
Not sure that point will ever be reached.
It's hard to be sure. Robots and technology advance much faster than people do.
Seems like it would be a crisis point for the capitalism vs. socialism debate.
I think it would be more of an ethics question then a capitalism/socialism question...
Regardless, it would be an interesting debate and we might be getting it in the near future, considering the speed of technological advancement.
I think it would be more of an ethics question then a capitalism/socialism question...
Of the outcomes/arguments I can imagine at the moment, they seem one and the same for this scenario.
Of course the solution is to tax the companies that use the robots in place of human labor and then give that money to those displaced, but that would never happen...
Ethics are generally disregarded when capitalism comes into the picture. Its more of a social question. I imagine that the same thing that happened when machines took over a good portion of the manufacturing business will happen, i.e. the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer...
Of course the solution is to tax the companies that use the robots in place of human labor and then give that money to those displaced, but that would never happen...
I don't care for that solution because it has no long term validity. The poor displaced by the tech get a simple payment? A much better solution would be to educate them to maintain the robots, or anything else for that matter.
I'll freely admit that people are largely stupid, but I think only a small fraction is too stupid to be trained for a lower-middle class management/repair job.
I don't care for that solution because it has no long term validity. The poor displaced by the tech get a simple payment? A much better solution would be to educate them to maintain the robots, or anything else for that matter.
you bring up a good point. while many manual labor jobs will be done by robots in the fututre, there will be other jobs that will be considered human manual labor in the future. currently i don't think anyone considers the engineers who make robots and repair them to be manual laborers. that may change in the future.
I'll freely admit that people are largely stupid, but I think only a small fraction is too stupid to be trained for a lower-middle class management/repair job.
i think in the future even stupid people will have more basic knowledge than stupid people in say the 80. just look at the way that computer knowledge varies. in the 80s computers were new. people knew relatively little about computers and how to use them. today, even stupid kids, know how to find porn on the internet.
Also I'm not sure if stupid being able to operate computers has to do with people getting smarter or computers getting easier. Modern computers are extremely easy to operate; one of the reasons why they still can't do a lot of remarkable things
We waste so much computing power on ease of operation.More and/or higher taxes is not the answer.
If you feel that the gov't deserves more of your money, by all means, send them a check.
But don't offer them more of my money.
But do you really need 6 billion people maintaining robots? Especially considering they might be able to maintain themselves just fine?
Also I'm not sure if stupid being able to operate computers has to do with people getting smarter or computers getting easier. Modern computers are extremely easy to operate; one of the reasons why they still can't do a lot of remarkable things We waste so much computing power on ease of operation.
are you missing the point on purpose or did you really not understand what i said?
lokiare,
More and/or higher taxes is not the answer.
If you feel that the gov't deserves more of your money, by all means, send them a check.
But don't offer them more of my money.
sounds like a typical republican conservative1.
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1 republican conservaatives don't really exist... at least not in the original meaning of conservative. today republican conservatives are only interested in conserving the status-quo.
lokiare,
More and/or higher taxes is not the answer.
If you feel that the gov't deserves more of your money, by all means, send them a check.
But don't offer them more of my money.
sounds like a typical republican conservative1.
So?
Actually, it sounds like a normal person who wants to keep what they earn.
If you don't want to keep the money you earn, that's fine... send Barry a check.
But I like to keep what I earn.
lokiare,
More and/or higher taxes is not the answer.
If you feel that the gov't deserves more of your money, by all means, send them a check.
But don't offer them more of my money.
sounds like a typical republican conservative1.
So?
Actually, it sounds like a normal person who wants to keep what they earn.
If you don't want to keep the money you earn, that's fine... send Barry a check.
But I like to keep what I earn.
yet people like you are the ones crying about Obama causing this country to go into ruin. take a look at canada. their currency has surpassed the dollar. idiot "conservatives" who cry about the government taking all their money and giving it to those who have not earned it are the same ones that ear mark millions of dollars to their cronies and friends.
by the way... your use of barry smells of racist hate mongering. good job.
Actually, it sounds like a normal person who wants to keep what they earn.
The counter-argument being "what about the shoulders you stand on? Don't they deserve some of what you earn for helping you get there?"
Actually, it sounds like a normal person who wants to keep what they earn.
The counter-argument being "what about the shoulders you stand on? Don't they deserve some of what you earn for helping you get there?"
No. They deserve what THEY earn. People should be accountable for themselves.
But do you really need 6 billion people maintaining robots? Especially considering they might be able to maintain themselves just fine?
Also I'm not sure if stupid being able to operate computers has to do with people getting smarter or computers getting easier. Modern computers are extremely easy to operate; one of the reasons why they still can't do a lot of remarkable things We waste so much computing power on ease of operation.
are you missing the point on purpose or did you really not understand what i said?
A bit of both, probably. The base assumption was that robots would replace people... there will be new jobs for a time, but you'll quickly reach the point where there's only enough work to be done for a few people and no work for the rest.
That's when you get to the point where you can either have people who will not have a job and will never get one, because there aren't any or with a drastically reduced population because you let the people who cannot get a job anymore starve.
Actually, it sounds like a normal person who wants to keep what they earn.
The counter-argument being "what about the shoulders you stand on? Don't they deserve some of what you earn for helping you get there?"
You mean more than I already pay in taxes?
And what people who helped me? Are you talking about my parents? Parents that provided me opportunites? Opportunities I took advantage of and made the most out of?
I helped my self get to where I am today, and I already pay taxes.
by the way... your use of barry smells of racist hate mongering. good job.
Of course it does...
And what people who helped me?
I'm guessing people like the people who build and maintain roads, put out fires, protect your property, protect your borders, and whatever other services the government provides for you that you probably never think about (there's lots of them, but I don't know which ones in the US so you'll have to fill out the rest of the list yourself)
A bit of both, probably. The base assumption was that robots would replace people... there will be new jobs for a time, but you'll quickly reach the point where there's only enough work to be done for a few people and no work for the rest.
i think you took the base assumption a little to far. robots may replace people in many manual labor jobs. at least in the jobs that we consider manual labor today. i don't think you would consider and engineer who builds robots today to be a manual laborer would you? in the future, the guy who repairs robots may be considered a manual laborer. he might have a degree in robotics engineering in order to fix the robots. the definition of what it means to be a manual laborer and what a manual labor job is will change.
That's when you get to the point where you can either have people who will not have a job and will never get one, because there aren't any or with a drastically reduced population because you let the people who cannot get a job anymore starve.
i don't think we will ever get to that point. if we do, i think by that point society will have had to evolve to a different political system that is equipted to handle these issues. the economy may work differently by that time.
Of course it does...
at least you're an admitted racist. better than most...
And what people who helped me?
I'm guessing people like the people who build and maintain roads, put out fires, protect your property, protect your borders, and whatever other services the government provides for you that you probably never think about (there's lots of them, but I don't know which ones in the US so you'll have to fill out the rest of the list yourself)
what you didn't know? robin_hoodlum was home schooled. his parents also own the company that he works for and they built the roads that he drives on. they taught him how to build a car and he built the one he drives now. his mom was the town fitrefighter putting out fires single handedly, and his dad was the border supercop. he responded to all crimes.
i don't think we will ever get to that point. if we do, i think by that point society will have had to evolve to a different political system that is equipted to handle these issues. the economy may work differently by that time.
I think we'll get there, and we'd better change our system of economy before then, or humanity is going down the drain ("even further" optional)
Also, not everybody has the potential to get a degree in robotics engineering, so even if that's the new "manual labor", that still leaves a lot of people who aren't smart enough to get there.
And what people who helped me?
I'm guessing people like the people who build and maintain roads, put out fires, protect your property, protect your borders, and whatever other services the government provides for you that you probably never think about (there's lots of them, but I don't know which ones in the US so you'll have to fill out the rest of the list yourself)
Oh!
You mean the people I already support with my taxes.
Of course it does...
at least you're an admitted racist. better than most...
I admitted no such thing.
You take it upon yourself to call me a racist because I don't like or agree with Barry, and you call it racist because I call him "Barry".
*shrug*
i don't think we will ever get to that point. if we do, i think by that point society will have had to evolve to a different political system that is equipted to handle these issues. the economy may work differently by that time.
I think we'll get there, and we'd better change our system of economy before then, or humanity is going down the drain ("even further" optional)
Also, not everybody has the potential to get a degree in robotics engineering, so even if that's the new "manual labor", that still leaves a lot of people who aren't smart enough to get there.
today not everyone has the potential to get a degree in robotics engineering. i would think that by that point, genetic engineering may have advanced enough to allow for higher intelligence. have you ever seen the movie Gattaca?
No. They deserve what THEY earn. People should be accountable for themselves.
And where does that come from? Generally speaking, it comes from those they work for/provide services for/help. That is, if you're "standing on their shoulders", then it should come from you in compensation for the services provided, yes?
You mean more than I already pay in taxes?
Not really arguing amount, just the merit of the idea itself.
And what people who helped me? Are you talking about my parents? Parents that provided me opportunites? Opportunities I took advantage of and made the most out of?
Let's see... roads, agriculture, schools, trains, infrastructure, firefighters, police, armed forces, all those wonderful advances that benefit you everyday that enable you to "help yourself" even more...
I can keep going. Fact is, as much as the idea is romantic and in-line with America's ideal of rugged individualism, "every man is an island" doesn't really work or happen in 1st world countrys.
Of course it does...
at least you're an admitted racist. better than most...
I admitted no such thing.
You take it upon yourself to call me a racist because I don't like or agree with Barry, and you call it racist because I call him "Barry".
*shrug*
I call you a racist because you do call him barry, not because you don't agree with him. you know it is racist. you could refer to him by his actual name and still disagree with him, but you choose to go with the name calling. do you also question whether or not he was born in hawaii? let me guess... you haven't seen the proof yet right?
And what people who helped me?
I'm guessing people like the people who build and maintain roads, put out fires, protect your property, protect your borders, and whatever other services the government provides for you that you probably never think about (there's lots of them, but I don't know which ones in the US so you'll have to fill out the rest of the list yourself)
what you didn't know? robin_hoodlum was home schooled. his parents also own the company that he works for and they built the roads that he drives on. they taught him how to build a car and he built the one he drives now. his mom was the town fitrefighter putting out fires single handedly, and his dad was the border supercop. he responded to all crimes.
You are either being purposefully ignorant, or you are, indeed, truly ignorant.
I don't care which...
First, I already pay taxes for roads, firefighters, school taxes, police, etc.
The company I work for has a contract with me... I do something for them, they pay me. If I don't do anything, they don't pay me. I don't pay them for the privelege to work for them, they pay me for working for them.
You've baited and flamed me twice already, both unneccesarily.
Keep up the good work...
You are either being purposefully ignorant, or you are, indeed, truly ignorant.
I don't care which...
First, I already pay taxes for roads, firefighters, school taxes, police, etc.
The company I work for has a contract with me... I do something for them, they pay me. If I don't do anything, they don't pay me. I don't pay them for the privelege to work for them, they pay me for working for them.
You've baited and flamed me twice already, both unneccesarily.
Keep up the good work...
You would d well to remember what you have said previously.
You mean more than I already pay in taxes?
And what people who helped me? Are you talking about my parents? Parents that provided me opportunites? Opportunities I took advantage of and made the most out of?
I helped my self get to where I am today, and I already pay taxes.
as for the "flaming" and "baiting" should i expect an email from customer service because i hurt your feelings?
And what people who helped me?
I'm guessing people like the people who build and maintain roads, put out fires, protect your property, protect your borders, and whatever other services the government provides for you that you probably never think about (there's lots of them, but I don't know which ones in the US so you'll have to fill out the rest of the list yourself)
Oh!
You mean the people I already support with my taxes.
The very people you would pay less or even nothing, if you were given the choice. Taxes are based upon what all these people that you already support need, and if they need more, everyone needs to pay more taxes.
Complaining that taxes should be reduced or at least stay the same no matter what means you basically don't want to help these people that are helping you.
today not everyone has the potential to get a degree in robotics engineering. i would think that by that point, genetic engineering may have advanced enough to allow for higher intelligence. have you ever seen the movie Gattaca?
Haven't seen the movie, but it might be a solution. That would at least give everyone the chance to get a job. We'd probably end up with 5 billion+ scientists doing research...
That doesn't sound too bad
as for the "flaming" and "baiting" should i expect an email from customer service because i hurt your feelings?
You'll have to do better than that!
Complaining that taxes should be reduced or at least stay the same no matter what means you basically don't want to help these people that are helping you.
No it doesn't.
It means I think I already pay too much in taxes and that the government should spend less and have better financial responsibility.
LOL...
Typical...
You claim that people who don't like high taxes are heartless and cruel... oh how very typical...
as for the "flaming" and "baiting" should i expect an email from customer service because i hurt your feelings?
You'll have to do better than that!
you sure about that? if it didn't bother why would you have even brought it up?
today not everyone has the potential to get a degree in robotics engineering. i would think that by that point, genetic engineering may have advanced enough to allow for higher intelligence. have you ever seen the movie Gattaca?
Haven't seen the movie, but it might be a solution. That would at least give everyone the chance to get a job. We'd probably end up with 5 billion+ scientists doing research...
That doesn't sound too bad
well kind of...
the movie is pretty messed up. you have people that are genetically perfect and then those that rae not. the ones that are genetically perfect are genetically engineered to be. parents get to pick what traits they want the kids to have. they eliminate randomness. then the people that are born naturally are considered lesser people because their genetics were randomly determined. of course there were no robots in the movie that took over people's jobs so a combination of the two would be interesting.
you should check out the movie. it is pretty cool.
It means I think I already pay too much in taxes and that the government should spend less and have better financial responsibility.
They could cut back on military spending, probably. That would certainly be the responsible thing to do.
Maybe I'll go watch the movie by the way, if I can find the time. It sounds like fun.
And where does that come from? Generally speaking, it comes from those they work for/provide services for/help. That is, if you're "standing on their shoulders", then it should come from you in compensation for the services provided, yes?
It comes from what they negotiate for their pay or come up with through their own intitiative as self-employed individuals. Most companies cannot just force minimum wage on most people or they suffer in other areas. Fast food and retail outlets being the most notable of the "minimum wage" jobs.
It means I think I already pay too much in taxes and that the government should spend less and have better financial responsibility.
They could cut back on military spending, probably. That would certainly be the responsible thing to do.
Maybe I'll go watch the movie by the way, if I can find the time. It sounds like fun.
The government also wastes a ton of money on public employees who are overpayed and get benifits and pensions that are too high. If they brought those down to be in line with the private sector jobs, they'd save a LOT of cash. Also, printing ballots in 30 different languages wastes money. Print them only in English. People either need to learn the language that America speaks or bring a friend with them to translate.
The government also wastes a ton of money on public employees who are overpayed and get benifits and pensions that are too high. If they brought those down to be in line with the private sector jobs, they'd save a LOT of cash.
This may very well be true, I know government employees often get pretty good benefits. Especially considering the general attitude many government employees have.
Though I can understand why government wages are higher then private wages (most of the jobs are essential to a functioning society) they shouldn't be so high that it's wasteful. And they should just kick out the people who aren't doing their job properly.
The government also wastes a ton of money on public employees who are overpayed and get benifits and pensions that are too high. If they brought those down to be in line with the private sector jobs, they'd save a LOT of cash.
This may very well be true, I know government employees often get pretty good benefits. Especially considering the general attitude many government employees have.
Though I can understand why government wages are higher then private wages (most of the jobs are essential to a functioning society) they shouldn't be so high that it's wasteful. And they should just kick out the people who aren't doing their job properly.
The problem is that they get payed a lot more than comparable private sector jobs. That they work for the government is no reason for them to get payed that much more for doing the same thing that private sector Joe is doing...........especially when private sector Joe is paying for them to do the work that they do.
The government also wastes a ton of money on public employees who are overpayed and get benifits and pensions that are too high. If they brought those down to be in line with the private sector jobs, they'd save a LOT of cash.
maybe the private sector employees should be asking for more. when companies are making millions and sometimes billions in profits, it is a sign that they can afford to pay those employees who worked to get the company those profits a lot more for their work.
Also, printing ballots in 30 different languages wastes money. Print them only in English. People either need to learn the language that America speaks or bring a friend with them to translate.
america, and americans, speak many languages. seeing as hispanics are growing in number, should we change all legal forms to spanish when hispanics become the majority in this country? what is going to happen to your ability to vote if you do not understand the form? should we be discriminated against because we don't speak spanish?
The government also wastes a ton of money on public employees who are overpayed and get benifits and pensions that are too high. If they brought those down to be in line with the private sector jobs, they'd save a LOT of cash.
This may very well be true, I know government employees often get pretty good benefits. Especially considering the general attitude many government employees have.
Though I can understand why government wages are higher then private wages (most of the jobs are essential to a functioning society) they shouldn't be so high that it's wasteful. And they should just kick out the people who aren't doing their job properly.
The problem is that they get payed a lot more than comparable private sector jobs. That they work for the government is no reason for them to get payed that much more for doing the same thing that private sector Joe is doing...........especially when private sector Joe is paying for them to do the work that they do.
actually, i think that public sector jobs pay lower wages than private sector jobs, but you are correct that the benefits they get are better than the private sector job benefits. also, there are plenty of people in private sector jobs that do just as crappy a job as the government employees. have you ever called dell customer suport? i bought a laptop from them a few years ago and a month later the hard drive burned out. i called customer service almost every single day for 2 weeks. i finally told them i was returning the piece of garbage and they wanted to charge me a "re-stocking" fee of 15% for a computer tat did not work. also, it wasn't just a bunch of guys in india doing the customer suport. i had several that were here in the u.s.
the whole private vs public employee thing is silly at best. the problem is that people are lazy. what we need to do is get rid of people who get jobs because of who they know or are related to. look at all the guys working for aig. they tanked the company and they got huge bonuses. does that seem fair to you?
Like "Bronek" ;)
*Idioms are the bane of me; did I use that one right?
I call you a racist because you do call him barry
... I'm sorry, what? I'll admit that it's a bit patronizing, but it's no more inherently racist then calling the second President Bush "Dubya". That is to say... slightly insulting and meant to show contempt? Certainly. But that doesn't mean it's racist.
The problem is that they get payed a lot more than comparable private sector jobs. That they work for the government is no reason for them to get payed that much more for doing the same thing that private sector Joe is doing...........especially when private sector Joe is paying for them to do the work that they do.
Depends on the job. The ones I'm looking at will be paying me about 10k less a year then comparable private sector jobs. I'll get better benefits most likely, but I'll also be working my ass off doing work that's actually important to national security as opposed to people like my sister (who works in the same field) who's just helping her boss make more money.
america, and americans, speak many languages.
It may not be "official", but the language of America is English.
seeing as hispanics are growing in number, should we change all legal forms to spanish when hispanics become the majority in this country? what is going to happen to your ability to vote if you do not understand the form? should we be discriminated against because we don't speak spanish?
They should vote in English and it isn't discrimination, since it isn't aimed at them, but merely voting in the language of the U.S.A. Any language but English is a second language here.
the whole private vs public employee thing is silly at best. the problem is that people are lazy. what we need to do is get rid of people who get jobs because of who they know or are related to. look at all the guys working for aig. they tanked the company and they got huge bonuses. does that seem fair to you?
I agree that people need to be held accountable, which is another issue with public sector employees (unions in general, really). It's nearly impossible to fire one and laziness isn't on the list of offenses that can get you fired.
yet people like you are the ones crying about Obama causing this country to go into ruin. take a look at canada. their currency has surpassed the dollar. idiot "conservatives" who cry about the government taking all their money and giving it to those who have not earned it are the same ones that ear mark millions of dollars to their cronies and friends.
by the way... your use of barry smells of racist hate mongering. good job.
You do know that Obama ear marked millions for his own cronies and friends, right? The first people to get money from his version of the bailout? Yeah, his friends, campaign contributors, etc. To be fair, McCain's and many others got the same, but to think it's just something Republicans do is buying into the same talking point, fear mongering bullshit you accuse RH of - albeit from the opposite side.
If you think one side is better than the other overall, you're a fool. One may be better in specific cases (as I'm sure EE can attest), but overall? They're a bunch of grade a a-holes.
By the way, how the
is calling Obama 'Barry' racist? Dismissive, sure. But racist? C'mon. That's just reactionary crap and you know it. It may not be "official", but the language of America is English.
But are you sure it is English if it isn't official? It's just the "most used language" apparently.
by the way... your use of barry smells of racist hate mongering. good job.
Of course it does...
He's not a racist or a hate monger (at least not that i've seen); though he is a deontologist, which I don't care for.
As for the "barry" comment, he only uses that cuz he's pissed that georgette can't be prom queen again.
It may not be "official", but the language of America is English.
But are you sure it is English if it isn't official? It's just the "most used language" apparently.
When 90%+ of all things written are in English, it's the language. When other countries teach their students English so that they can do business with us, it's the language. The only reason it isn't he official language is political correctness and that people thought it went without saying prior to political correctness. ;)
It may not be "official", but the language of America is English.
But are you sure it is English if it isn't official? It's just the "most used language" apparently.
When 90%+ of all things written are in English, it's the language. When other countries teach their students English so that they can do business with us, it's the language. The only reason it isn't he official language is political correctness and that people thought it went without saying prior to political correctness. ;)
Well it is the official language, it just isn't a law. Official language just means that paperwork and other official functions are conducted in that language. That we are good enough to provide translators and some foreign-language paperwork just makes us extra nice.
I call you a racist because you do call him barry
... I'm sorry, what? I'll admit that it's a bit patronizing, but it's no more inherently racist then calling the second President Bush "Dubya". That is to say... slightly insulting and meant to show contempt? Certainly. But that doesn't mean it's racist.
It is not automatically racist, but it can be or is very close to racism.
They are belittling is African heritage and that can be, not necessarely is, racist.
Also, didn't African American fight to have the right to choose their own name? On some level they are taking that away from him (Obama was called Barry for a while by his family but chose to be called Barack when a young adult). It can also have some racist under tone.
Wow...
It's no more racist than calling Bill Clinton "Slick Willy" or Bush "Dubya".
It's only called racist by the so-called tolerant left when people on the Right don't like him or his ideas/policies. The left doesn't like the fact that not everybody worships him as the Messiah. They believe he is so intelligent and his way is so obviously and blatantly better that the only way for one to not like him is because that person must be a racist.
Hilarious, isn't it?
Well, that or they simply have to resort to name calling and defamation when they can't win an arguement otherwise.
*shrug*
But say! How 'bout them orbital service stations, huh?!
Well, that or they simply have to resort to name calling and defamation when they can't win an arguement otherwise.
Say, how's the Republican contenders for the 2012 slot going? Found any candidates that didn't pander to the far-right social conservatives and call for my blood? Besides Fred Karger who doesn't really have a shot in hell, that is.
So what, is "Johnny" racist because it's belittling my anglo heritage? Are people taking away my right to choose my own name when they call me it? Because so far as I can tell you have "Barrack is an African name, so a nickname based on it is racist."
Is Barack (the name) African?
I honestly don't know the origin.
Well, that or they simply have to resort to name calling and defamation when they can't win an arguement otherwise.
Say, how's the Republican contenders for the 2012 slot going? Found any candidates that didn't pander to the far-right social conservatives and call for my blood? Besides Fred Karger who doesn't really have a shot in hell, that is.
I guess I just don't lean that far to the right when it comes to homosexual stuff EE. You're picking a fight with the wrong person. I don't condone discrimination against gay people any more than I do against black people, or yellow people, or green people... that is to say, not at all.
I was pointing out that your line, "they simply have to resort to name calling and defamation when they can't win an argument otherwise" applies to your side of the fence as easily as it does any other side of the fence.
I think you missed my point, RH.
I was pointing out that your line, "they simply have to resort to name calling and defamation when they can't win an argument otherwise" applies to your side of the fence as easily as it does any other side of the fence.
Agreed.
It just isn't as prevalent, I don't think. And mostly in the fringe, far right crazies.
So what, is "Johnny" racist because it's belittling my anglo heritage? Are people taking away my right to choose my own name when they call me it? Because so far as I can tell you have "Barrack is an African name, so a nickname based on it is racist."
It is not automatically racist, but some do it for racist reasons. No?
Racist reasons?
There are a million other, more descriptive ways to be racist. Calling him "Barry" would be on the last page.
Well, that or they simply have to resort to name calling and defamation when they can't win an arguement otherwise.
Say, how's the Republican contenders for the 2012 slot going? Found any candidates that didn't pander to the far-right social conservatives and call for my blood? Besides Fred Karger who doesn't really have a shot in hell, that is.
I guess I just lean that far to the right when it comes to homosexual stuff EE. You're picking a fight with the wrong person. I don't condone discrimination against gay people any more than I do against black people, or yellow people, or green people... that is to say, not at all.
I am not sure I understand. You do not condamn discrimination?
Condone
www.answers.com/topic/condone
I don't agree with it, or allow it.
There are a million other, more descriptive ways to be racist.
Very true. The one I love to hate the most is that Obama-as-Zulu warrior sign/poster the tea-baggers always bring to rallies against health care reform.
It just isn't as prevalent, I don't think. And mostly in the fringe, far right crazies.
... don't you think it says something if every presidential hopeful (except Fred Karger, a long-shot candidate) from your party is apparently giving in to the "fringe, far right crazies"?
It just isn't as prevalent, I don't think. And mostly in the fringe, far right crazies.
... don't you think it says something if every presidential hopeful (except Fred Karger, a long-shot candidate) from your party is apparently giving in to the "fringe, far right crazies"?
?
Explain please.
I don't necessarily keep up with BLGT issues.
PM me if you wish.
It is not automatically racist, but it can be or is very close to racism
How? How can 'Barry' be seen as a racist slur? How can it be close to racist? There's two people in this thread that have said that 'Barry' can be racist and the only reason presented thus far is, in effect, 'because it can'. Not nearly good enough.
They are belittling is African heritage and that can be, not necessarely is, racist.
How? How are they belittling his African heritage by calling him 'Barry'? What does 'Barry' say negatively about African roots?
If purposefully misspeaking someone's name is automatically belittling their heritage ... know what? I can't even finish the thought. It's just ... so stupid.
Also, didn't African American fight to have the right to choose their own name? On some level they are taking that away from him (Obama was called Barry for a while by his family but chose to be called Barack when a young adult). It can also have some racist under tone.
What? Barry is now some slave name assigned to him by people that would own him? This is simply insane.
For the final time: can != automatically does. Assuming so is stupid. Do some racists call Obama Barry? Sure, but that doesn't mean everyone that does is racist. Just like when racists called Bush 'Dubya', it didn't make it a racist exclusive term.
Congrats on the thread derailment, folks. You've contributed to covering up our top secret orbital robotics program. You guys work for the CIA or something?
There's a reason my blocklist is so long these days - I block anyone playing the identity politics card.
Take it to Astrid's Parlor where you can argue with the rest of the perpetually offended.
And don't feed the trolls, please.
Congrats on the thread derailment, folks. You've contributed to covering up our top secret orbital robotics program. You guys work for the CIA or something?
There's a reason my blocklist is so long these days - I block anyone playing the identity politics card.
Take it to Astrid's Parlor where you can argue with the rest of the perpetually offended.
And don't feed the trolls, please.
This is the Off-Topic Tavern. We never stay on topic.
Also, trains:
Congrats on the thread derailment, folks. You've contributed to covering up our top secret orbital robotics program. You guys work for the CIA or something?
There's a reason my blocklist is so long these days - I block anyone playing the identity politics card.
Take it to Astrid's Parlor where you can argue with the rest of the perpetually offended.
And don't feed the trolls, please.
This is the Off-Topic Tavern. We never stay on topic.
Also, trains:
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
You two are my favourite posters tonight.
*goes back to flash*
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
Every republican's house should have a liberal in it, making breakfast and doing laundry. Oh, and a college cheerleader. ;)
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
Every republican's house should have a liberal in it, making breakfast and doing laundry. Oh, and a college cheerleader. ;)
I agree. It isn't fair to ask the mentally handicapped to make breakfast and do laundry. They could burn the house down.
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
Every republican's house should have a liberal in it, making breakfast and doing laundry. Oh, and a college cheerleader. ;)
I agree. It isn't fair to ask the mentally handicapped to make breakfast and do laundry. They could burn the house down.
Thanks for covering the cheerleader...
So the house was made of bras? I mean, why else would a feminist cheerleader burn down a house?
And sewn together with unshaven leg and armpit hair.
So the house was made of bras? I mean, why else would a feminist cheerleader burn down a house?
Sir... that is uncalled for. There is no need to call republicans boobs.
Can you blame her? Wouldn't you burn the house down if you lived with a republican?
Probably not. I'm a conservative. I'd likely resort to confronting any discrepencies I may have out in the open, not resort to over-the-top, shady shenanigans. ;)
Sir... that is uncalled for. There is no need to call republicans boobs.
Those who live in bra houses should not hire feminist day laborers. Or something.
That probably explains why you aren't holding a political office.
I like my job. I like to armchair quarterback politics. "Politician" carries such a negative connotation these days.
True. There are some exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, politicians could all go away and I'd be thrilled.
It just isn't as prevalent, I don't think. And mostly in the fringe, far right crazies.
... don't you think it says something if every presidential hopeful (except Fred Karger, a long-shot candidate) from your party is apparently giving in to the "fringe, far right crazies"?
?
Explain please.
I don't necessarily keep up with BLGT issues.
PM me if you wish.
It is not automatically racist, but it can be or is very close to racism
How? How can 'Barry' be seen as a racist slur? How can it be close to racist? There's two people in this thread that have said that 'Barry' can be racist and the only reason presented thus far is, in effect, 'because it can'. Not nearly good enough.
They are belittling is African heritage and that can be, not necessarely is, racist.
How? How are they belittling his African heritage by calling him 'Barry'? What does 'Barry' say negatively about African roots?
If purposefully misspeaking someone's name is automatically belittling their heritage ... know what? I can't even finish the thought. It's just ... so stupid.
Also, didn't African American fight to have the right to choose their own name? On some level they are taking that away from him (Obama was called Barry for a while by his family but chose to be called Barack when a young adult). It can also have some racist under tone.
What? Barry is now some slave name assigned to him by people that would own him? This is simply insane.
For the final time: can != automatically does. Assuming so is stupid. Do some racists call Obama Barry? Sure, but that doesn't mean everyone that does is racist. Just like when racists called Bush 'Dubya', it didn't make it a racist exclusive term.
Congrats on the thread derailment, folks. You've contributed to covering up our top secret orbital robotics program. You guys work for the CIA or something?
There's a reason my blocklist is so long these days - I block anyone playing the identity politics card.
Take it to Astrid's Parlor where you can argue with the rest of the perpetually offended.
And don't feed the trolls, please.
Congrats on the thread derailment, folks. You've contributed to covering up our top secret orbital robotics program. You guys work for the CIA or something?
There's a reason my blocklist is so long these days - I block anyone playing the identity politics card.
Take it to Astrid's Parlor where you can argue with the rest of the perpetually offended.
And don't feed the trolls, please.
This is the Off-Topic Tavern. We never stay on topic.
Also, trains:
Congrats on the thread derailment, folks. You've contributed to covering up our top secret orbital robotics program. You guys work for the CIA or something?
There's a reason my blocklist is so long these days - I block anyone playing the identity politics card.
Take it to Astrid's Parlor where you can argue with the rest of the perpetually offended.
And don't feed the trolls, please.
This is the Off-Topic Tavern. We never stay on topic.
Also, trains:
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
You two are my favourite posters tonight.
*goes back to flash*
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
Every republican's house should have a liberal in it, making breakfast and doing laundry. Oh, and a college cheerleader. ;)
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
Every republican's house should have a liberal in it, making breakfast and doing laundry. Oh, and a college cheerleader. ;)
I agree. It isn't fair to ask the mentally handicapped to make breakfast and do laundry. They could burn the house down.
That last chair is a liberal chair.
I was wondering why it didn't look like it knew what it was supposed to be doing.
Because it was kept in a republican's house. Lack of educational option
Every republican's house should have a liberal in it, making breakfast and doing laundry. Oh, and a college cheerleader. ;)
I agree. It isn't fair to ask the mentally handicapped to make breakfast and do laundry. They could burn the house down.
Thanks for covering the cheerleader...
So the house was made of bras? I mean, why else would a feminist cheerleader burn down a house?
And sewn together with unshaven leg and armpit hair.
So the house was made of bras? I mean, why else would a feminist cheerleader burn down a house?
Sir... that is uncalled for. There is no need to call republicans boobs.
Can you blame her? Wouldn't you burn the house down if you lived with a republican?
Probably not. I'm a conservative. I'd likely resort to confronting any discrepencies I may have out in the open, not resort to over-the-top, shady shenanigans. ;)
Sir... that is uncalled for. There is no need to call republicans boobs.
Those who live in bra houses should not hire feminist day laborers. Or something.
That probably explains why you aren't holding a political office.
I like my job. I like to armchair quarterback politics. "Politician" carries such a negative connotation these days.
True. There are some exceptions to the rule, but for the most part, politicians could all go away and I'd be thrilled.