Planet made of my birthstone

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#1

jesse.two.coins

Dec 09, 2010 12:40:17
www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1...

I was lookin around and saw this :]
#2

zombie_babies

Dec 09, 2010 12:53:49
We have the same birthstone.  Copy cat.
#3

scypio

Dec 09, 2010 13:23:38
I wonder how many carats that diamond would be... But I'm hoping its graphite for some bizarre reason =P
#4

boraxe

Dec 09, 2010 13:50:47
Birthstones are rubbish.
#5

scypio

Dec 09, 2010 14:00:21
Birthstones are rubbish.

Nah, most birthstones are pretty valuable.
#6

zombie_babies

Dec 09, 2010 14:04:00
Birthstones are rubbish.



Actually, this silly concept makes it quite easy for me to find jewelry for a few people.  As there's reasons that jewelry makes an easy gift for me to give, I appreciate the tradition.  'Course bein' useful to me does not non-rubbish make ...
#7

Klirshon

Dec 10, 2010 7:31:09
Wasp 12b is not as dense as BPM 37093.
#8

pluisjen

Dec 10, 2010 7:40:15
Interestingly enough when I look for "birthstone" I get various really expensive gems for each month, but when I look for the Dutch Horoscope stones, they're mostly really common stuff...

The most common stone for "Virgo" (my starsign) for example is Jasper, which is worth roughly "squat".

I guess you lot have a different kind of focus when it comes to these traditions Tongue out 
#9

idhriniel

Dec 10, 2010 15:22:02
Now, I was born in August, so my primary birthstone is peridot. One of the rarer birthstones, actually (read somewhere that they come from meteorites or asteroids, etc.). However, August birthstones could also be sardonyx or diamond, so fess.

Plus, Doctor Who already won the race to find a diamond planet (Midnight). Evidently it has a sapphire waterfall.
#10

zombie_babies

Dec 10, 2010 15:24:56
Dood, daimond is April.  Deal with it. 

Peridot is actually a really neat-o lookin' rock.
#11

idhriniel

Dec 10, 2010 15:27:10
Yea, I prefer the paler peridot as opposed to the bright, obnoxious, yellow-green type. The pale kind is what I have in my ring. Looks real nice in silver settings.
#12

zombie_babies

Dec 10, 2010 15:30:29
The fiancee's kiddo is an August kid.  He loves rocks an' stuff (I bring him some every time we go lookin' for Native American artifacts - the kid's got more types of flint than I can recall) so we bought him some raw peridot.  I have to agree, the paler stuff is really nice.  I'd like to have dice made out of it, actually.  I suppose I'll have to settle for my green jade and blue jasper sets for now, though. 
#13

idhriniel

Dec 10, 2010 15:33:55
Yea, I just hopped on google real quick and gem quality peridot isn't that common. Olivine is, but not true gem/jewelry quality. And peridot is the only gem found in meteorites. Ain't that cool?

And have you been to the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History? The gem/rock section is pretty cool. Even though they have a pillar of malachite that looks like a geoduck...
#14

zombie_babies

Dec 10, 2010 15:44:47
Nah, never been.  Places that people go are on my 'don't ever go there' list. 
#15

idhriniel

Dec 10, 2010 15:48:22
Haha. Dare I ask why?
#16

zombie_babies

Dec 10, 2010 16:15:52
People suck.  Large groups of them suck worse.
#17

ADHadh

Dec 10, 2010 16:39:07
I have no idea what my birthstone is and I don't care to find out. I'm entirely not into any of this fortune telling stuff (it just seems damn unlikely for 6.887 billion people to have only 12 personalities and fates).
#18

idhriniel

Dec 10, 2010 16:40:43
Just like how there are thousands upon thousands of writings in the world and there are only how many base plotlines? 5?
#19

ADHadh

Dec 10, 2010 16:53:08
Just like how there are thousands upon thousands of writings in the world and there are only how many base plotlines? 5?


People being uncreative is one thing. But if there lives and exact copy of me in Brazil or China simply because he was born on the very same day, the very same hour as me, I'd be greatly surprised.
The world is much more complicated and random than we can imagine. That's why I choose not to trust a half-time horoscope writer or a group of stars (that only make a group when looked at from Earth's perspective) directly affecting my life.
Or well, just take any school year, high school and earlier. Most people in such a group have the exact same Chinese zodiac sign, but does that mean they all have the same basic personality?
#20

jesse.two.coins

Dec 13, 2010 7:11:40
We have to name the planet Blingtopia.
#21

boraxe

Dec 13, 2010 9:33:00
And have you been to the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History?


While there be sure to visit the Behring Hall of Mammals, the Hall of Human Origins, the Butterflies + Plants gallery, and the Korea Gallery, all of which were designed by the firm for which I work.
#22

boraxe

Dec 13, 2010 9:34:13
Just like how there are thousands upon thousands of writings in the world and there are only how many base plotlines? 5?


No, not at all like that in any way.
#23

pluisjen

Dec 13, 2010 9:36:33
Isn't it kinda like that? If you abstract one of the two far enough, and squint through your eyes at the other one, you'll be able to fit the square in the circle.
#24

scypio

Dec 13, 2010 10:14:18
While there be sure to visit the Behring Hall of Mammals, the Hall of Human Origins, the Butterflies + Plants gallery, and the Korea Gallery, all of which were designed by the firm for which I work.

Nice work. I enjoyed the Hall of Human Orgins and the Hall of Mammals.
#25

Klirshon

Dec 13, 2010 10:32:08
... If you abstract one of the two far enough, and squint through your eyes at the other one, you'll be able to fit the square in the circle.



Your method takes too much time. Just stuff the damn square into the circle and get over it.
#26

jesse.two.coins

Dec 13, 2010 11:43:48
klirshon? That post seemed wayyy too human for you.
#27

idhriniel

Dec 13, 2010 15:41:24
Could it be...that Klirshon is half borg...half human?!

Duh-duh-duh!
#28

Klirshon

Dec 13, 2010 19:27:04
I thought this is what you humans would want to do to save time and money. I would make modifications to either the square or circle unless ordered otherwise. I would also inform those responsible for giving me such a task that they are unfit for their position due to a lack of proper calibrations.
#29

ViolenceJack

Dec 15, 2010 5:58:23

Mine's amethyst, which is not one that I like. And I only wear one piece of jewelry and find even that annoying when I notice it. I hate wearing jewelry. So it doesn't make buying me presents any easier.


I have no idea what my wife's is, nor my daughter's. I guess I could look it up.


I don't believe in astrology or any form of fortune telling, but it's kinda neat. I enjoy knowing that I'm year of the Dragon in Chinese astrology, for example. Most people think I'm a snake when I give my birth year, but I just squeaked into Dragon before the lunar new year. One of my father's uncles had a friend on the ships who, as a wedding present, gave him and his new bride each a beautifully illuminated horoscope, taking into account the exact details of the time of their birth and location and everything (in other words, not at all like the supermarket/newspaper horoscopes). That friend was later known as Brother 12, and local legends still tell of the gold he buried around Vancouver Island after he tried to found a utopian commune.


True story. You could look it up.

#30

jesse.two.coins

Dec 15, 2010 6:08:12
thats neat!! so you get annoyed at your wedding band?
#31

idhriniel

Dec 15, 2010 6:17:37

 


I have no idea what my wife's is, nor my daughter's. I guess I could look it up.


What month(s) are they?

#32

ViolenceJack

Dec 16, 2010 19:26:26
thats neat!! so you get annoyed at your wedding band?



Yep. Mostly used to it now, after like... 8 years. Still annoys me occasionally; however, I still never take it off unless I'm doing martial arts or something really really dirty with no gloves.



 


I have no idea what my wife's is, nor my daughter's. I guess I could look it up.


What month(s) are they?




My wife is May, so emerald. My daughter is October, so opal. Yes, I can google things. I actually have gotten emeralds for my wife in the past. My daughter is too young for jewelry at all, so no opals for her yet. My son was born on the exact same day as I was (Feb. 16), although 32 years later, obviously. So he's amethyst like me.

#33

ADHadh

Dec 17, 2010 10:57:14
Gave in to curiosity. Mine is sapphire, apparently. Huh.
#34

idhriniel

Dec 17, 2010 13:55:09

I'd probably look good with opal jewelry, but you know what they say about people who wear opals who aren't born in October...

#35

ADHadh

Dec 17, 2010 14:07:56

I'd probably look good with opal jewelry, but you know what they say about people who wear opals who aren't born in October...



I don't.
Do I want to know?
#36

idhriniel

Dec 17, 2010 14:11:15
You're cursed. Yea.
#37

zombie_babies

Dec 17, 2010 14:32:58
Umm ... I know several people that wear opals even though they weren't born in October.  Yeah, no curse.  'Bunk', I think, is what they call stuff like that.
#38

ADHadh

Dec 17, 2010 14:40:44
I wear no jewerly, so I wouldn't know.
#39

zombie_babies

Dec 17, 2010 14:44:32
I don't either - except for a watch occasionally.  Hm, does something that has a function count as jewelry?  Oh well, in less than 6 months I'll have to wear a ring.  Lame.
#40

pluisjen

Dec 17, 2010 16:47:16
It's usually jewelry (or at least... eyecandy? more general term. applies to lots of things) once it gets to the point where it's main value lies not in what it does but what it looks like and/or how others perceive it. A regular watch isn't very jewelry like, but there's many watches that are simply more of an eyecatcher then a timekeeper. 
#41

idhriniel

Dec 18, 2010 14:47:45
Good point.
#42

Mad_Jack

Dec 18, 2010 14:55:18

 I hate wearing jewelry of any kind. Outside of occasionally wearing a crystal on a leather thong around my neck, the closest I ever come to wearing jewelry is when I put on my Eddie slingshot and rings when I'm at a Rocky Show... Tongue out



#43

idhriniel

Dec 18, 2010 14:58:54
......
#44

odinfellhammer

Dec 18, 2010 22:32:45
There goes the price of diamond; right down into the toilet.
#45

zombie_babies

Dec 20, 2010 11:43:28
It's usually jewelry (or at least... eyecandy? more general term. applies to lots of things) once it gets to the point where it's main value lies not in what it does but what it looks like and/or how others perceive it. A regular watch isn't very jewelry like, but there's many watches that are simply more of an eyecatcher then a timekeeper. 



A fair point.  My watch, then, is jewelry.  Heh.

There goes the price of diamond; right down into the toilet.



Actually the price of diamonds is incredibly artificial.  There's a ****load of 'em out there.  Thing is, DeBeer's owns most of 'em and very, very tightly controls the release of 'em in order to keep the value - and therefore their price - as high as possible.  There was some kerfluffle a bit back after Russia had DeBeer's over to help 'em set up a mine and then, as Russians are wont to do, kicked 'em out and took the mine.  After that, they threatened to start releasing diamonds on their own which would, of course, make DeBeer's take a hit.  I guess they haven't done it for whatever reason, but yeah, diamonds?  More common than we're lead to believe. 
#46

idhriniel

Dec 21, 2010 14:27:59
Considering that they can be artificially manufactured with the right heat and pressure. So whatcha do is ya set up an underground diamond factory. Y'know, turn coal into shinies.

Oh god I said shinies.
#47

Mad_Jack

Dec 22, 2010 0:10:07

 Unfortunately, it doesn't really work like that - it's fairly easy for experts to tell the difference between natural and manufactured diamonds. Thousands of years at fluctuating pressure levels versus a much greater but steady pressure over a very small amount of time alters the structure of the resulting diamond. Man-made diamonds have fewer imperfections, which means that large natural diamonds without flaws are much rarer.
 Most man-made diamonds are worth so little that the metal files I use on my miniatures are tipped with them. Only the man-made diamonds that are used in high technology due to their perfect crystaline structure are worth anything because they're much harder to manufacture.






#48

pluisjen

Dec 22, 2010 4:17:20
That will never cease to amaze me, you know. So a diamond is valuable only because it's naturally formed, but a more perfect diamond is worth less because it was man-made.

Even though you will never be able to tell the difference unless you are an expert at diamond-studying.
#49

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 8:11:13
That will never cease to amaze me, you know. So a diamond is valuable only because it's naturally formed, but a more perfect diamond is worth less because it was man-made.

Even though you will never be able to tell the difference unless you are an expert at diamond-studying.



Scarcity.  People want the rare, the exclusive.  If everyone has it, why would you want it?  In the case of natural diamonds the rarity is artificial but it's still there.  Er, perceived to be there.  But yeah, it boils down to paying more to have something someone else doesn't.  Status. 
#50

pluisjen

Dec 22, 2010 9:31:13
Yeah, while I kinda understand the point, it will still never cease to amaze me. People and their craving for being better then other people because of their rare (but useless) possessions... silly.

Ah well, to each their own Tongue out 
#51

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 9:34:26
And that's a perfectly fair and, IMO, reasonable way to see it.  It's damned silly.  Our fascination with shiny rocks is also silly.  We are what we've been told to be.  ;)
#52

pluisjen

Dec 22, 2010 9:37:34
I try my hardest to ignore that Tongue out I have no real love for shiny rocks or other useless trinkets. I do like some other pointless gadgets though... like the beautiful dice I ordered for my girlfriend's birthday (which was over a month ago, curse you shapeways and your delays) and which I shall be giftwrapping shortly Laughing

But at least they serve some practical purpose, and they're made from something practical rather then expensive... stainless steel Cool
#53

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 9:59:55
My friend has those.  They're heavy but they make such a satisfying thump when they hit the table it's worth it. 

I am ashamed to admit that my two primary dice sets are made of low-grade shiny rocks: jade and blue jasper.  I am who I was told to be. 
#54

pluisjen

Dec 22, 2010 10:13:33
Hm I gave them a few testrolls, but they don't "thump" all that much... maybe it's because they're not solid. They are quite beautiful though... I wonder what she'll think of them. We'll find out in half an hour or so when she gets home Laughing

My own dice are all regular one-color plastic... pretty standard stuff. We've only gotten one guy in the group with special dice so far, and his are plastic but adorned with tiny dragons. And thus hard to read. Ah well; he seems to like them.
#55

zombie_babies

Dec 22, 2010 10:48:00
Yeah, his were solid I think.  The table we used was also good for makin' thumpy noises.  Cheap-o folding card table with a really, really thin top.  Those made a wonderful noise.  It really added something, too, since he was the DM and whenever we heard that thump it was cuz we were gettin' thumped by some baddy or other.  ;)
#56

Mad_Jack

Dec 23, 2010 1:58:44

I am ashamed to admit that my two primary dice sets are made of low-grade shiny rocks: jade and blue jasper.  I am who I was told to be. 



Kick-ass dice are exempt from any sort of "I'm a sheep because I bought shiny things" stigma, because you bought them because they look cool/ they're unusual and not just because they were expensive or hard to acquire.

#57

pluisjen

Dec 23, 2010 2:11:53
I think mad jack has a point there. Also girlfriend loved the dice. Now we just have to wait until she can try them, it'll be a while until our next gamenight :/
#58

zombie_babies

Dec 23, 2010 8:45:44
Kick-ass dice are exempt from any sort of "I'm a sheep because I bought shiny things" stigma, because you bought them because they look cool/ they're unusual and not just because they were expensive or hard to acquire.



Fair point.  *removes sheep costume*

I think mad jack has a point there. Also girlfriend loved the dice. Now we just have to wait until she can try them, it'll be a while until our next gamenight :/



Cool.    I haven't played in a long, long time.  It's my fault, though, cuz I'm DM.  It's hunting season so my weekends are all booked up (oh, and I had an assload of work to do on my kitchen, too).  I can't let my dad go alone, you know.  Plus I like going.    Anyhoo, we'll probably start back up next year sometime.  Maybe early/mid January.
#59

Mad_Jack

Dec 23, 2010 22:57:08

 Do you hunt anything large enough to make dice out of? Tongue out Cuz those would be some kickass dice...

#60

pluisjen

Dec 24, 2010 2:02:35
Is it even possible to hunt something so small you can´t make dice out of it?
#61

Cpt_Micha

Dec 24, 2010 9:02:58
It would be hard to make them out of squirrels...
#62

pluisjen

Dec 24, 2010 9:06:39
Depends on what part of the squirrel you use, I think. Squirrel-skin dice?

If you're artsy enough I think you could make some very awesome dice out of bone... not like most that are made out of a solid chunk of bone but really crafted from different bones. I'm not sure if they'd stand up to serious use though, they might snap. And they'll definately not be balanced, but then most bone dice aren't.
#63

Mad_Jack

Dec 25, 2010 1:58:17

If you've ever noticed, any bone dice you buy are smaller than regular standard-sized plastic rpg dice. There aren't actually very many bones in an animal that are thick enough to make regular-sized dice out of, since bones aren't solid all the way through - the marrow on the inside is way too soft to make anything other than soup out of it, lol. So you'd need things like kneecaps, hip bones, shoulderblades or ball joints unless you used something big like a horse. I'm guessing the commercially-available bone dice are probably made of cow bone.

One of the things on my stuff-I'll-do-when-I-hit-the-lottery list is to buy a piece of whalebone and carve me some scrimshaw dice.




#64

dirtyfrank

Dec 26, 2010 17:23:11
The observation is very much theoretical. There is little that they know about the planet aside from:

A) It's there.
b) Mass.
c) general composition.


They are guessing that, with such a high content of carbon, in balance with its mass, that it would form a diamond core. However, chances are, that this is not the case. However, it has the potential to have it - which is pretty cool regardless of how you slice it.


And its general composition says it is a gas giant this means GAS and the last i checked diamonds didn't come in gas form. Now they did mention core so sure maybe there could be some carbon in the core but to make the connection that some carbon in the atmosphere means it has a carbon core is quite the stretch. Its core is most likely metallic hydrogen which is a liquid state of hydrogen where it acts like a metal when it is at a very high temperature and pressure. And at such extremes the carbon will more than likely be a liquid not a diamond.

If you want to see a diamond out in space then look for a supernova remnant. Some of them are huge masses of (what is thought to be pure) carbon spheres the size of the earth or a bit smaller. Yeah a diamond the size of the earth.

anyways it is annoying when reporters that seem to know crap about science try and report scientific findings. they always much stuff up.