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Melissa Melton
Infowars.com
October 25, 2012
“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”
So begins the Oath of Enlistment for the U.S. military, but in an explosive interview with a National Guard whistle blower shown below, soldiers are now being advised they will be ordered to break that oath should civil unrest erupt across the country.
Referred to only as “Soldier X” under promise of anonymity, an Army National Guardsman spoke via phone with Infowars Nightly News Producer Rob Dew regarding a recent briefing his unit underwent on actions the military would take in the event that an Obama election loss sparked rioting in America’s streets.
Citing not only recent widespread threats to riot if Mitt Romney were to become the next U.S. president, but threats to actually assassinate him should he win, Soldier X’s superiors dispensed plans of how the National Guard would be responsible for “taking over” and quelling such unrest.
The soldiers were reportedly told “Doomsday preppers will be treated as terrorists.”
In addition, guns will be confiscated.
“They have a list compiled of all these doomsday preppers that have gone public and they plan to go after them first,” Soldier X said. He claimed those in charge are acting under the belief that preppers will be “the worst part” of any potential civil unrest.
Soldier X was also told that any soldiers in the ranks who are known as preppers will be deemed “defects.” He explained the label meant these soldiers would be treated as traitors. “If you don’t conform, they will get rid of you,” he added.
Unit members also warned not to associate with any fellow soldiers who are preppers.
Not only does the military reportedly plan to target preppers should mass chaos break out, but Soldier X also voiced his concerns regarding civilian gun confiscation.
Soldier X admitted, “Our worry is that Obama’s gonna do what he said he’s gonna do and he’s gonna outlaw all weapons altogether and anybody’s name who is on a weapon, they’re gonna come to your house and try to take them.”
It would not be the first time the National Guard has been used to unconstitutionally disarm law-abiding citizens, robbing them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms. In the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, police and military took to the streets disarming lawful gun owners, including those who were on dry land and had plenty of stored food and water.
Fast forward to this past summer when a leaked Army manual dated 2006 entitled, “Civil Disturbance Operations” surfaced outlining plans not only to confiscate firearms domestically during mass unrest, but to actually detain and even kill American citizens who refuse to hand over their guns. This manual works in conjunction with “FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations,” another Army manual leaked this year, which instructs troops on how to properly detain and intern Americans into re-education camps, including ways that so-called “psy-op officers” will “indoctrinate” incarcerated “political activists” into developing an “understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.”
Add these manuals to the plethora of Executive Orders Obama has signed during his term which have dismantled our Constitution piece by piece, including the martial law implementing National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order which gives the president the power to confiscate citizens’ private property in the event of any national emergency, including economic.
Add it all to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in which Obama granted powers to disappear and indefinitely detain American citizens without any due process, and it is easy to see the tyrannical big picture our government has painted.
When asked if he would go along with gun confiscation, Soldier X replied he and his fellow like-minded guardsmen planned to stand down — not answer the phone or show up to post.
“I’m sorry but I don’t believe in suicide,” he said.
Preppers are becoming regular government targets these days, most recently when a Missisippi prepper group member with a clean record was suddenly taken off his flight halfway to Japan and informed he was on the no-fly list, an FBI terrorist watchlist, stranding him in Hawaii. Other preppers have been denied their Second Amendment rights without legitimate cause.
It is beyond glaringly obvious at this point the U.S. government is gearing up for mass civil unrest. Not only has the DHS sparked controversy by purchasing billions of rounds of ammo, but the department even went so far as to begin classifying further purchases, blacking out bullet figures it is using taxpayer money to buy.
In addition, while FEMA can procure a billion dollars in bulk food supplies, the FBI’s Communities Against Terrorism project released a flier instructing military surplus store owners to report any customers who “make bulk purchases of items” including “meals ready to eat”.
Should society as we know it collapse following the election, it would seem the ultimate prepper and the ultimate terrorist is, indeed, the U.S. government.
Wut? Preppers aren't a danger. They'll hide if there's any trouble - that's what they do. Militia groups will be a whole different thing, however. Guys like the Watchmen will be running around doing 'extractions' to get 'people in need' to 'safety'. Those are the nuts you gotta worry about. Preppers by their nature are the least of your worries - unless you go after them.
This.
N'importe quoi.
So Loki, how are you preparing in case Obama wins and riots follow and marshal law?
Well I was digging a huge underground complex below my trailer house, but then I saw the article where they jailed the guy that did that. Then I thought about building a shelter in the woods and saw a guy get shot for doing that. I started a front yard garden but saw they arrest people for that. Basically I'm taking my almost non-existent money and buying up 20lb. bags of beans and rice. I live in a low population area though, so I doubt the rioting will affect me out here.
I'm more worried about Bernanke's QEU (Quantitative Easing Unlimited) that he announced a while back. After a year or two of it people will be using the dollar as toilet paper...
Besides Obama isn't going to win, he's served his purpose which is to focus the hate on him, rather than on the corporations and banks that bought and paid for him through the lobby's. The same banks and corporations that own Romney.
I missed this guy.
Seriously, though. You don't obviously don't know how the FBI watchlist works. Also, the guns thing is totally crazy, but going any deeper risks a ride on the banwagon.
And, basically, what ZB said.
Do you know how the FBI watchlist works? If you do enlighten us, please.
From what I've been able to gather the FBI and other 3 letter agencies talk business owners into joining a secret club where they 'report' people for suspicious behavior like owning guns, wearing jeans, paying for coffee with cash, traffic violations, and other ludicrous things. After they are reported, they are put on the terror watch list which gets you banned from flying and other restrictive things. Its almost impossible to get your name off of one of these lists if you are put on them...
Exactly! Why would you not prepare for bad things? I bet the entire state of Louisiana wishes they had prepped...
Prepping really isn't that terrible of an idea so long as you aren't taking it to some whackadoo extreme or have some insane reason for doing it (hello polar shift). Or is it? I mean, FEMA recommends that everyone preps. Everyone. And FEMA is the gov't. The gov't is evil. Prepping, therefore, is an evil gov't plot. They're obviously just trying to get us to prep so they have a reason to send the National Guard out to kill us all. That's how they'll get all our money or something. So yeah, don't prep. That's what they want you to do.
That was convoluted...
Really though, they do recommend everyone prep, and then law enforcement is supposed to target preppers first. That's just odd. Probably just some beuricratic mistake like allowing people to get arrested for putting ice cream on their apple pies or whatever...
I missed this guy.
Seriously, though. You don't obviously don't know how the FBI watchlist works. Also, the guns thing is totally crazy, but going any deeper risks a ride on the banwagon.
And, basically, what ZB said.
Do you know how the FBI watchlist works? If you do enlighten us, please.
From what I've been able to gather the FBI and other 3 letter agencies talk business owners into joining a secret club where they 'report' people for suspicious behavior like owning guns, wearing jeans, paying for coffee with cash, traffic violations, and other ludicrous things. After they are reported, they are put on the terror watch list which gets you banned from flying and other restrictive things. Its almost impossible to get your name off of one of these lists if you are put on them...
That's interesting. I just bought a coffee at the Starbucks at my university. I paid cash. You know what else is funny? Marco Rubio bought coffee ahead of me. He paid cash as well. He also wears mom jeans, is gaining weight, and losing his hair.
I missed this guy.
Seriously, though. You don't obviously don't know how the FBI watchlist works. Also, the guns thing is totally crazy, but going any deeper risks a ride on the banwagon.
And, basically, what ZB said.
Do you know how the FBI watchlist works? If you do enlighten us, please.
From what I've been able to gather the FBI and other 3 letter agencies talk business owners into joining a secret club where they 'report' people for suspicious behavior like owning guns, wearing jeans, paying for coffee with cash, traffic violations, and other ludicrous things. After they are reported, they are put on the terror watch list which gets you banned from flying and other restrictive things. Its almost impossible to get your name off of one of these lists if you are put on them...
That's interesting. I just bought a coffee at the Starbucks at my university. I paid cash. You know what else is funny? Marco Rubio bought coffee ahead of me. He paid cash as well. He also wears mom jeans, is gaining weight, and losing his hair.
Yeah, read the fliers they keep sending out. The stuff is ludicrous...
Prepping really isn't that terrible of an idea so long as you aren't taking it to some whackadoo extreme or have some insane reason for doing it (hello polar shift). Or is it? I mean, FEMA recommends that everyone preps. Everyone. And FEMA is the gov't. The gov't is evil. Prepping, therefore, is an evil gov't plot. They're obviously just trying to get us to prep so they have a reason to send the National Guard out to kill us all. That's how they'll get all our money or something. So yeah, don't prep. That's what they want you to do.
That was convoluted...
Really though, they do recommend everyone prep, and then law enforcement is supposed to target preppers first. That's just odd. Probably just some beuricratic mistake like allowing people to get arrested for putting ice cream on their apple pies or whatever...
My favorite law is this one:
"In Memphis, Tennessee, women can't drive a car unless there is a man with a red flag in front of the car warning the other people on the road."
Then again maybe that's not such a bad idea...
That was convoluted...
Really though, they do recommend everyone prep, and then law enforcement is supposed to target preppers first. That's just odd. Probably just some beuricratic mistake like allowing people to get arrested for putting ice cream on their apple pies or whatever...
That was convoluted? And you listen to Alex Jones? Man, that hurts. A lot.
1) Gov't reccomends every household capable preps.
2) Gov't tells Nat Guard to aggressively go after preppers.
3) Gov't wants us all dead or arrested.
How is that convoluted, yo? Maybe cuz I didn't pretend to hide some genocidal campaign behind charity and nerd glasses ...
That was convoluted...
Really though, they do recommend everyone prep, and then law enforcement is supposed to target preppers first. That's just odd. Probably just some beuricratic mistake like allowing people to get arrested for putting ice cream on their apple pies or whatever...
That was convoluted? And you listen to Alex Jones? Man, that hurts. A lot.
1) Gov't recommends every household capable preps.
2) Gov't tells Nat Guard to aggressively go after preppers.
3) Gov't wants us all dead or arrested.
How is that convoluted, yo? Maybe cuz I didn't pretend to hide some genocidal campaign behind charity and nerd glasses ...
Yeah, some of us are able to separate out opinion from fact. I know its difficult. Here let me help:
Fact:
Gov't recommends every house to prep.
Gov't tells Nat Guard to aggressively go after preppers (because they are terrorists)
Opinion:
Gov't wants us all dead or arrested.
See its not that hard.
Infowars.com and Alex Jones presents facts left and right. Once you separate their opinion out about the whole global conspiracy that wants everyone dead, then you look at the facts and realize something fishy is actually going on... things like 2 candidates 1 lobby, targeting preppers and vets first, wars that shouldn't be happening, etc...etc...
Yeah, some of us are able to separate out opinion from fact. I know its difficult. Here let me help:
Fact:
Gov't recommends every house to prep.
Gov't tells Nat Guard to aggressively go after preppers (because they are terrorists)
Opinion:
Gov't wants us all dead or arrested.
See its not that hard.
Infowars.com and Alex Jones presents facts left and right. Once you separate their opinion out about the whole global conspiracy that wants everyone dead, then you look at the facts and realize something fishy is actually going on... things like 2 candidates 1 lobby, targeting preppers and vets first, wars that shouldn't be happening, etc...etc...
Ok, so what's the conclusion? The gov't wants us all to be terrorists (preppers) so they can go after us. Why?
Alright, now I'm interested in this coversation. Which article and where does it say that the government wants the national guard to go after preppers?
The one in the OP.
It's a great piece from an anonymous source. So you know it's true. Best evidence. Romney got soem death threats on twitter and some peopel said they would riot if Romney got elected, again on twitter.
It would be more interesting if people rioted because Twitter got on Romney.
Alright, now I'm interested in this coversation. Which article and where does it say that the government wants the national guard to go after preppers?
Here's the interview:
Yeah, some of us are able to separate out opinion from fact. I know its difficult. Here let me help:
Fact:
Gov't recommends every house to prep.
Gov't tells Nat Guard to aggressively go after preppers (because they are terrorists)
Opinion:
Gov't wants us all dead or arrested.
See its not that hard.
Infowars.com and Alex Jones presents facts left and right. Once you separate their opinion out about the whole global conspiracy that wants everyone dead, then you look at the facts and realize something fishy is actually going on... things like 2 candidates 1 lobby, targeting preppers and vets first, wars that shouldn't be happening, etc...etc...
Ok, so what's the conclusion? The gov't wants us all to be terrorists (preppers) so they can go after us. Why?
No the conclusion is that the government is contradicting itself...
N'importe quoi.
So Loki, how are you preparing in case Obama wins and riots follow and marshal law?
Well I was digging a huge underground complex below my trailer house, but then I saw the article where they jailed the guy that did that. Then I thought about building a shelter in the woods and saw a guy get shot for doing that. I started a front yard garden but saw they arrest people for that. Basically I'm taking my almost non-existent money and buying up 20lb. bags of beans and rice. I live in a low population area though, so I doubt the rioting will affect me out here.
I'm more worried about Bernanke's QEU (Quantitative Easing Unlimited) that he announced a while back. After a year or two of it people will be using the dollar as toilet paper...
Besides Obama isn't going to win, he's served his purpose which is to focus the hate on him, rather than on the corporations and banks that bought and paid for him through the lobby's. The same banks and corporations that own Romney.
I'm also starting to think you really have no understanding on how economics work. Like, y'know, how stimulus or inflation work and what they mean. Next you'll be saying you buy into the whole "gold standard" BS.
Yeah, perhaps you need to go back and look some of those things up yourself.
Stimulus: When the government takes tax money that they get from one sector of the economy and give it to another sector of the economy. Basically it boils down to moving jobs around because higher taxes cause less jobs and stimulus based on tax money is literally taking money from one sector causing them to lose jobs and moving it to another sector where they can hire more. Of course most people don't count in the cost of aquring the tax money and therefore don't realize that it actually costs more to do it that way because you are putting a middle man in...
Inflation: When the value of the money in circulation goes down. Usually caused by increasing the money in circulation. The first group that gets the money gets it at the current value, but subsequent transactions with the money lowers its value to the amount in circulation.
Currently the Federal Reserve is the first to get the money so they get it at full value...
I missed this guy.
Seriously, though. You don't obviously don't know how the FBI watchlist works. Also, the guns thing is totally crazy, but going any deeper risks a ride on the banwagon.
And, basically, what ZB said.
Do you know how the FBI watchlist works? If you do enlighten us, please.
From what I've been able to gather the FBI and other 3 letter agencies talk business owners into joining a secret club where they 'report' people for suspicious behavior like owning guns, wearing jeans, paying for coffee with cash, traffic violations, and other ludicrous things. After they are reported, they are put on the terror watch list which gets you banned from flying and other restrictive things. Its almost impossible to get your name off of one of these lists if you are put on them...
Okay, now I know you don't get it. Seriously, if you'd leave the conspiracy zone for ten seconds...
Conspiracy Zone? Yeah, check the links, its pure fact. That's how they operate. If you don't think those are facts then please cite some references. Calling something a conspiracy doesn't win the argument. All it does is lets me know you are unable or unwilling to debate using facts and would rather use character assassination...
Yeah, some of us are able to separate out opinion from fact. I know its difficult. Here let me help:
Fact:
Gov't recommends every house to prep.
Gov't tells Nat Guard to aggressively go after preppers (because they are terrorists)
Opinion:
Gov't wants us all dead or arrested.
See its not that hard.
Infowars.com and Alex Jones presents facts left and right. Once you separate their opinion out about the whole global conspiracy that wants everyone dead, then you look at the facts and realize something fishy is actually going on... things like 2 candidates 1 lobby, targeting preppers and vets first, wars that shouldn't be happening, etc...etc...
And now I see the concept of "fact" is troubling you. I need to see if I can get senior project hours for fixing the obvious holes in your education.
Instead of denigrating me, how about you actually point out things that are and aren't facts. I'm sure you will find that the facts speak for themselves once you start doing some research...
Alright, now I'm interested in this coversation. Which article and where does it say that the government wants the national guard to go after preppers?
Here's the interview:
Again, what facts are you referring to? That interview is just some guy who claims to be a National Guard whistle blower. For all you know, it was me calling in to make the rest of you paranoid. There are no facts being given. It's just talk. Where is the documentation? Where is the proof that any of the things this guy says have actually happened? There is nothing there. Show me one fact. Just one. Hell, prove that Soldier X is even an actual soldier.
Alright, now I'm interested in this coversation. Which article and where does it say that the government wants the national guard to go after preppers?
Here's the interview:
Again, what facts are you referring to? That interview is just some guy who claims to be a National Guard whistle blower. For all you know, it was me calling in to make the rest of you paranoid. There are no facts being given. It's just talk. Where is the documentation? Where is the proof that any of the things this guy says have actually happened? There is nothing there. Show me one fact. Just one. Hell, prove that Soldier X is even an actual soldier.
You are right it could be a complete con job, however multiple callers called in and agreed with the guy. I'd like to see their training manuals, but unfortunately because I'm on a watch list for wearing jeans and paying cash to buy coffee, I can't access them...
You are right it could be a complete con job, however multiple callers called in and agreed with the guy.
Yeah, I have friends that are willing to troll Alex Jones and his listeners. I can even get about 20 undergrads at my university to call in on the premise that I'm doing research. I won't actually so any research, but I'd get them to call in.
Then there are the people that are easily fooled into believing these things. For example:
I'd like to see their training manuals, but unfortunately because I'm on a watch list for wearing jeans and paying cash to buy coffee, I can't access them...
You are right it could be a complete con job, however multiple callers called in and agreed with the guy.
Yeah, I have friends that are willing to troll Alex Jones and his listeners. I can even get about 20 undergrads at my university to call in on the premise that I'm doing research. I won't actually so any research, but I'd get them to call in.
Then there are the people that are easily fooled into believing these things. For example:I'd like to see their training manuals, but unfortunately because I'm on a watch list for wearing jeans and paying cash to buy coffee, I can't access them...
Yeah, you want to meet me at an airport and test whether I'm on the list or not? If I'm not we can stop at the airport starbucks and I'll definitely be on it when I refuse to let them put a stick in my drink...
You are right it could be a complete con job, however multiple callers called in and agreed with the guy.
Yeah, I have friends that are willing to troll Alex Jones and his listeners. I can even get about 20 undergrads at my university to call in on the premise that I'm doing research. I won't actually so any research, but I'd get them to call in.
Then there are the people that are easily fooled into believing these things. For example:I'd like to see their training manuals, but unfortunately because I'm on a watch list for wearing jeans and paying cash to buy coffee, I can't access them...
Yeah, you want to meet me at an airport and test whether I'm on the list or not? If I'm not we can stop at the airport starbucks and I'll definitely be on it when I refuse to let them put a stick in my drink...
Sure. We can meet in Miami International Airport. What day? What time?
Yeah, perhaps you need to go back and look some of those things up yourself.
Stimulus: When the government takes tax money that they get from one sector of the economy and give it to another sector of the economy. Basically it boils down to moving jobs around because higher taxes cause less jobs and stimulus based on tax money is literally taking money from one sector causing them to lose jobs and moving it to another sector where they can hire more. Of course most people don't count in the cost of aquring the tax money and therefore don't realize that it actually costs more to do it that way because you are putting a middle man in...
Wrong. Wrong so hard I have to assume you're joking. First off, the money is not "taken" from one "sector" before given. Y'see, the most effective parts of government: The US government has a negative interest rate for bonds. We can borrow whatever we need. And, really, you should understand the concept of decifit spending. Y'know, the thing that solves reccessions. And, even if it was simply "taking money from one 'sector,'" y'know, some people are doing quite well, and can afford to lose money and still be making a tidy profit.
You mean those people and corporations that hide their money in offshore accounts so they don't have to be taxed? Maybe you mean the middle class that is barely making their house payments because lenders didn't tell them they would have trouble paying. Oh I know you must mean those people that are barely breaking even living paycheck to paycheck treading the poverty line...
Lemme put it simply; A recession works by decreased demand, due to the middle/lower class not having enough money to buy things. This increased demand means that fewer people are needed to create the needed supply, and so the people lose their jobs, creating a negative cycle. Stimulus puts money into the pockets of the lower/middle class. See, unlike ungodly rich people, middle class and poor people tend to spend the money they get, especially if it's little bits in frequent installations. This increases general demand. The increased demand requires increased supply, which means that more people are hired, etc, etc, etc.
Except the money isn't getting to the lower/middle classes. The money gets printed by the Federal Reserve, a committee of private banks that can basically do whatever they want. They literally have no affiliation with the government. The governments only control is to pass laws that force the Federal Reserve to do something which takes a good portion of congresspeople working together something we haven't seen in a while. They basically give themselves bailouts which they then hoard or give to their board of directors as bonuses. So the money never hits the people at all...
Inflation: When the value of the money in circulation goes down.
Good enough.Usually caused by increasing the money in circulation. The first group that gets the money gets it at the current value, but subsequent transactions with the money lowers its value to the amount in circulation.
Currently the Federal Reserve is the first to get the money so they get it at full value...
What.
See above... do some research, read a bit. Quit believing everything you see on TV...
Okay, take an economics class, buddy. Also, just so ya know? Inflation is our friend. Y'see, inflation is needed for economic growth. Inflation is your friend. I'm serious, if you were willing to spend five minutes outside the conspiracy zone, you could actually learn something. But, no. Anyone who teaches fact is just part of the conspiracy to poison the minds of all True Believers.
Inflation is never our friend. If the economy grows we can put more money into it and it will retain its value. That is not inflation. Inflation is when money loses value. If you quit calling everyone that had a different viewpoint from your own a conspiracy theorist, you might learn something...
Conspiracy Zone? Yeah, check the links, its pure fact. That's how they operate. If you don't think those are facts then please cite some references. Calling something a conspiracy doesn't win the argument. All it does is lets me know you are unable or unwilling to debate using facts and would rather use character assassination...
Sorry, bro. You're making the assertion, facts are on you. And Prison Planet and InfoWars are not facts.
And seriously, get over your victim complex. It makes even trying to educate you even more annoying.
They link to facts like FOI documents and mainstream news articles that get buried under the top news about which celebrity is cheating on who. I still see no references or facts coming from you. You can keep up the hyperbole and all day, but until you present a few facts, you aren't convincing anyone.
Instead of denigrating me, how about you actually point out things that are and aren't facts. I'm sure you will find that the facts speak for themselves once you start doing some research...
Uh, bro? The hole argument behind your "OMG DER GUBERMENT WANTS ME DEAD!!!11!One!!" falls apart when examined. Y'see, first off, all your facts are coming from someone who totally-yeah-absolutely-take-my-word-for-it "is" a national guardsman. Now, evidence. This is a huge claim. Yet, I see no evidence that this guy is a guardsman. And he's on, yanno, koolaidInfowars. The site to scare gullible people. Now, Alex Jones has been showing his True Believers conspiracies for decades. How many of his ebil-guberment-zionist doomsdays have ocurred? Oh, right. None.
I've already agreed that the guy may not be a national guardsman. Actually his predictions do come true:
Now, if the government seriously wanted you imprisoned or dead, it could simply frame, or even simply accuse you of terrorism, and detain you indefinitely, or just go ahead and have you "resist arrest."
Yeah, no where did I say the government wanted me imprisoned or dead. So again another straw man. You did read up on what a straw man is right? Maybe you need to go read it again...
So, basically, you have no evidence, and the theory, itself, makes no sense. Except your messiahbuddy Alex Jones and some guy who, with no evidence, claims to be some national guardsman in on the conspiracy says so.
Beating a dead horse here. I already agreed that the guy could be faking it...
You are right it could be a complete con job, however multiple callers called in and agreed with the guy. I'd like to see their training manuals, but unfortunately because I'm on a watch list for wearing jeans and paying cash to buy coffee, I can't access them...
Multiple people called in and supported? Okay, I have a few friends. How would you react if we called all called and claimed mutant ducks were going to take over the world?
Just because a few crazy people and people making a few bucks off of crazy people say it does not make it true.
And, seriously, I highly doubt you're on the terrorist watch list. The fact that you're convinced you are without evidence is somewhat worrisome.
I was mostly joking about that. I don't go to protests and am currently no threat to anyone. So yeah, I'm not on the list... however text a buddy of yours and tell them something about not wanting to do that and how 'bombs' are bad and you don't want anything to do with it, and see how fast they get picked up... throw in 'terrorist' words in your text... Ask them later if they were picked up and questioned...
East of the rockies you`re on the air.
"How daaaaare youuuuuuu!"
www.infowars.com/could-frankenstorm-dela... You mean those people and corporations that hide their money in offshore accounts so they don't have to be taxed? Maybe you mean the middle class that is barely making their house payments because lenders didn't tell them they would have trouble paying. Oh I know you must mean those people that are barely breaking even living paycheck to paycheck treading the poverty line...
So now I know you have no understanding of economics and current events. Okay....Except the money isn't getting to the lower/middle classes. The money gets printed by the Federal Reserve, a committee of private banks that can basically do whatever they want. They literally have no affiliation with the government. The governments only control is to pass laws that force the Federal Reserve to do something which takes a good portion of congresspeople working together something we haven't seen in a while. They basically give themselves bailouts which they then hoard or give to their board of directors as bonuses. So the money never hits the people at all...
Okay, bro. Put down the flavor-aid. Good.
First off, the fed prints nothing. Printing money is a duty of the Bureau of the Mint and Bureau of Engraving and Printing, which are part of the treasury department.
Yes, but who tells them to print the money? It ain't the government. Its the Federal Reserve... Or if that's not true how does Bernenke tell everyone they are doing QEU (Quantitative Easing Unlimited)?
And, bro? Not how the Fed works. So, now I know you also know nothing of the government. Why am I still even talking to you?See above... do some research, read a bit. Quit believing everything you see on TV...
Bro? Seriously, put that Flavor-aid down. Okay?
Um... once again you are not presenting any evidence, just saying I'm wrong is not enough. You have to present some facts to back it up...
Inflation is never our friend. If the economy grows we can put more money into it and it will retain its value. That is not inflation. Inflation is when money loses value. If you quit calling everyone that had a different viewpoint from your own a conspiracy theorist, you might learn something...
Bro, I'll give you the very basics, since I'm a generous person.
The first, and biggest, benefit of inflation is that it vastly reduces the risk of deflation. Deflation is about the worst thing that can happen. Okay, simple so far, right? Now, the next best thing about inflation is it helps regulate pricing. Furthermore, inflation reduces debt. I really shouldn't have to explain why this is good.
Money can inflate and deflate pretty fast. It doesn't reduce anything. From Wikipedia some bad things about inflation:
"Negative effects of inflation include an increase in the opportunity cost of holding money, uncertainty over future inflation which may discourage investment and savings, and if inflation is rapid enough, shortages of goods as consumers begin hoarding out of concern that prices will increase in the future. Positive effects include ensuring that central banks can adjust real interest rates (intended to mitigate recessions), and encouraging investment in non-monetary capital projects. Economists generally agree that high rates of inflation and hyperinflation are caused by an excessive growth of the money supply."
There are more bad things that come with inflation than the one good thing which also depends on interest rates. You'll notice they say inflation encourages investment in non-monetary capital projects. Except this isn't happening. Loans are at an all time low because of the stinginess of the banks and the whole housing scare where banks were loaning out money to people that couldn't pay it back.
Inflation is even better during a recession. It lowers pricing, which allows more demand, etc, etc, etc.Further, it encourages hiring, see above. Also, higher1 inflation discourages companies to just sit on their money.
As prices lower so does the value of the dollar to match it, so there is no real advantage there unless you have saved up lots of money, then you might see a slight advantage if you can spend fast enough. Since the other things that are happening with the economic downturn have caused massive layoffs, we aren't seeing any hiring. Also I don't think money losing value causes hiring except in the case of minimum wage jobs (we saw that when the 1% increase in jobs awhile back was mostly due to a hiring spree by McDonald's). Companies convert their money to other assets of equal value and then sit on them until the inflation stops. They don't go on a spending spree... In fact you can see that many top investors are buying record amounts of gold and silver.
I give you more examples, or cover why this is, but you'll just run back to Alex Jones, so I really don't have the patience
I'll agree with you there... You have no patience at all. It might do you some good to get some... You might notice that I haven't linked to him in the last few posts because you have expressed that you don't trust him as a source. I am instead linking to the articles that they usually link to which are supposedly more trust worthy...
They link to facts like FOI documents and mainstream news articles that get buried under the top news about which celebrity is cheating on who. I still see no references or facts coming from you. You can keep up the hyperbole and all day, but until you present a few facts, you aren't convincing anyone.
Pro tip: FOX loves scaring people. That's how they make money. If there was something in there, the nuts there would have something.
But, really, I didnt' see any FOI, or any actual facts at all in your OP. So, yawn. Burden's on you, sweetie.
Why do you call me sweetie? I'm a 35 year old man. I'm nobodies sweetie. I've presented facts for all the arguments except the OP prepper one. I also admitted that it could be a total hoax, you want to beat that horse some more? I think I saw it twitch... On the other stuff you haven't presented a shred of proof, evidence, or even a single link. So the burden of proof is on you...
I've already agreed that the guy may not be a national guardsman. Actually his predictions do come true:
All I heard was "OMG JEWS NWO GESTAPO OMGOMGOMG!!!11one!1!"
Yeah, I know. You probably have ADHD if you are unable to concentrate for the whole 10 minutes of video. I suggest taking frequent breaks and writing down what is said so you can reference it later when you forget. Then maybe you can come back with a valid argument and not more insults and hyperbole. Especially since the video made no mention of Jews or the Gestapo...
Yeah, no where did I say the government wanted me imprisoned or dead. So again another straw man. You did read up on what a straw man is right? Maybe you need to go read it again...
You really don't get it, do you. Seriously, evil Nazi Jew CEOs are not hiding under your bed.Beating a dead horse here. I already agreed that the guy could be faking it...
And his "testimony(:LOL: )" is the only "evidence(:LOL: )" that you have.
Yawn.
It twitched again quick get it!
I was mostly joking about that. I don't go to protests and am currently no threat to anyone. So yeah, I'm not on the list... however text a buddy of yours and tell them something about not wanting to do that and how 'bombs' are bad and you don't want anything to do with it, and see how fast they get picked up... throw in 'terrorist' words in your text... Ask them later if they were picked up and questioned...
Done that. Ages ago. In a real conversation. About a week before flying. Also included gems like "attack" and "pot"(Though, contextually, the "pot" didn't mean weed). Did I get stopped? No. You know why? Because, unlike the TSA, the FBI is not totally incompetent. Take of the tinfoil hat, bro.
1"High" for values relative to the average. Don't start whining about hyperinflation, or what have you.
Right... if you did what I instructed claiming that you didn't want any part of whatever attack your 'friend' was planning then he would have been picked up. Just randomly throwing words into a text doesn't do it...
Did you read the links? You know where they show the weather modification documents that the government has declassified?
Seriously, Loki. If you really can't bother to learn anything about economics, or really thinking in general when thoughts aren't fed to you by the conspiracy sites, I don't know why I'm bothering. You don't understand how the Fed works, as evident by your bizarre theory that Bernanke is some evil boogyman, and no understanding of how economics work.
Inflation is needed. Period. This is as much a fact as the earth being round is. Any economist will agree with this. You obviously don't understand even what inflation really is. Or, in other words, your only support is Alex Jones, and I refuse to waste my time proving the heliocentric model or arguing the moon landing to you. Basic facts are something that you are expected to bring to a debate. I refuse to humor your incompetence.
Oh this is rich coming from you, kid!
I don't like a lot of lokis conspiracy stories (except for purely entertainment value), but I like you even less.
Did you read the links? You know where they show the weather modification documents that the government has declassified?
Indeed the storm is Obama's doing to get reelected. Alex Jones predicted it. And you know why? Cause he is employed by the FBI. Is job is to leak inf on unimportant stuff to distract people from the big stuff.
Finally! someone making some sense!
Seriously, Loki. If you really can't bother to learn anything about economics, or really thinking in general when thoughts aren't fed to you by the conspiracy sites, I don't know why I'm bothering. You don't understand how the Fed works, as evident by your bizarre theory that Bernanke is some evil boogyman, and no understanding of how economics work.
Inflation is needed. Period. This is as much a fact as the earth being round is. Any economist will agree with this. You obviously don't understand even what inflation really is. Or, in other words, your only support is Alex Jones, and I refuse to waste my time proving the heliocentric model or arguing the moon landing to you. Basic facts are something that you are expected to bring to a debate. I refuse to humor your incompetence.
Uh, you aren't bothering...
You have yet to refute a single thing I've posted. Ridiculed, insulted, derided yes, but refute... nope...
As to incompetence, look who's talking, not a single fact has been added to the discussion by you...
Did you read the links? You know where they show the weather modification documents that the government has declassified?
Indeed the storm is Obama's doing to get reelected. Alex Jones predicted it. And you know why? Cause he is employed by the FBI. Is job is to leak inf on unimportant stuff to distract people from the big stuff.
It helps if you read the article...
Did you read the links? You know where they show the weather modification documents that the government has declassified?
Indeed the storm is Obama's doing to get reelected. Alex Jones predicted it. And you know why? Cause he is employed by the FBI. Is job is to leak inf on unimportant stuff to distract people from the big stuff.
It helps if you read the article...
It would help if you stopped reading that anything on that site. ;)
And now you know.
It's not like it's a coincidence that the elections happen to happen during hurricane season. George Washington (translated from the Illuminati it was written in: George Romney) purposefully set this up because, due to his dual temporal status, he forsaw the coming election his son ('future' timeline) would be trying to win and the fact that his opponent would be none other than Obama. Obama, of course, is an alien and therefore has access to superpowers and advanced technology (and yes, there is a difference). As such, George Washington (Romney) invested for the future and allowed the Republican party to have enough money to rent HARP from the aliens behind Obama's back. See, aliens are total capitalists and Romney was able to ensure that the Republicans would have enough money to make a better offer - thanks, again, to his dual temporal status. So now Florida - a swing state by Washington's design - is about to be wiped off the map and New York will probably be erased as well - a strong Obama state. The combined power of the actual hurricane itself and the augmenting boost HARP will be able to deliver will guarantee the aliens will be out of political power for a little while. The only issue is the economic power they'll have since they've just made a couple trillion space bucks by agreeing to rent HARP to the Republicans. That's a problem that Washington believes Mitt can handle thanks to the fact that his mother is an alien like Obama is and their financial canniness is transferred genetically.
Ummm... no... Florida will be fine. It aleady passed us by. We sent it up the coast to let them have some fun.
And now you know.
When I first read this thread title I thought it said "they will come for preggers first"
That's another thread.
After all, preggers are simply carriers of a potentially deadly disese for women. It's called pregnancy.
A parasitic semi(or non)-person actually lives within a womans body and causes all sorts of physical ailments. Clearly a woman must protect herself from such harm! How dare something be so assuming as to take life within her body without her permission or consent!
I suppose you are presently (not) safe in that case. Don't forget to build a faraday cage around your hovel.
dood, I'm always not microwave safe. It's the only way to be. Like, literally. If you're not, you're gonna die.
Ummm... no... Florida will be fine. It aleady passed us by. We sent it up the coast to let them have some fun.
And now you know.
Don't worry, it'll be on its way back. All it takes is the push of a button.
Don't worry, it'll be on its way back. All it takes is the push of a button.
Meh... I'm not worried. Willard will cut funding for D.E.R.P.A. We'll be fine.
You'll be fine if Florida swings to Romney, sure. If not, you better know how to swim.
We're good. We still got Rick Scott.
He's a liability. I mean, it's obvious he's an alien. Look at the 'man'! He's not even trying to hide his true form.
That's exactly why we are safe. As long as we keep him, D.E.R.P.A. will not be used against us.
That's exactly why we are safe. As long as we keep him, D.E.R.P.A. will not be used against us.
But HARP will and he'll die. Cuz aliens die when they get hit with water. M Night and Mel proved it!
But HARP will and he'll die.
DERPA is HARP, except it's really spelled DERP.
Cuz aliens die when they get hit with water. M Night and Mel proved it!
Misinformation campaign by Space Willard. M. Night is also an alien. He made the movie to trick you into thinking that they would die. They're actually like the gremlins when you get them wet.
DERPA is HARP, except it's really spelled DERP.
That's what they want you to think, brah.
Misinformation campaign by Space Willard. M. Night is also an alien. He made the movie to trick you into thinking that they would die. They're actually like the gremlins when you get them wet.
Oh
!First of all, a lot of people in the military are paranoid about government power. If they were really being told something like that, you would be hearing about it from a lot more than one person and you would be hearing about it on mainstream news sites, blogs, basically it would be on sources other than conspiracy websites.
A lot of soldiers are also gunowners. Do you think we want anyone taking away our guns? Hell no.
Alex Jones saying it does not make it true. Show me a CONPLAN, OPORD, or other official document outlining this supposed conspiracy.
You are right it could be a complete con job, however multiple callers called in and agreed with the guy. I'd like to see their training manuals, but unfortunately because I'm on a watch list for wearing jeans and paying cash to buy coffee, I can't access them...
Dude, training manuals are available on the internet. The military recently implemented measures to restrict access to the most recent versions, but in all honesty they are virtually unchanged from the last version, and previous versions of pretty much every manual out there can be found on the open web. Also, since they are unclass/FOUO documents, anyone, even a private, could access them and release them if there was seriously anything questionable.
Of course I've already seen that there doesn't need to be anything nefarious in a manual for Infowars and similar sites to get people into a frenzy over it (I believe it was Detainee Operations or something similar that had people frothing at the mouth over nothing).
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Braaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnnnssssss
*bites CJ*
But I want brains, nice tasty brains...
*choop, smack smack, smack*
and I just read KGM's sig.
You missed the starting gun, and you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but youre older, shorter of breath, and one day closer to death.
Damnit, now I got that song stuck in my head.
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bbbrrraaaiiiinnnnssssss!!!!
*considers biting Reaper*
even zombies aren't dumb enough to bite Death.
*wanders off to find a victim to feed his growing hunger*
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*Bites Orc Reaper, and infects Death itself with the zombie virus*
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*Bites Orc Reaper, and infects Death itself with the zombie virus*
HA HA!
Jokes on you!
Everybody knows ORCs have no brains!
Hurr?
*detects the scent of Bone_Naga and bites*
Graah....
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HA HA!
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Everybody knows ORCs have no brains!
Graaah
*considers risk of food poisoning*
Meh, screw it. BRAINZ
*bites Hoodsie*
*Hoodsie decapitates CJ and actually weeps with joy*
Did you read the links? You know where they show the weather modification documents that the government has declassified?
Indeed the storm is Obama's doing to get reelected. Alex Jones predicted it. And you know why? Cause he is employed by the FBI. Is job is to leak inf on unimportant stuff to distract people from the big stuff.
It helps if you read the article...
It's selective picking of facts mixed with a very active paranoia imagination.
See now we are getting somewhere. Its a speculative story about admitted weather control since the 60s. Nothing more nothing less.
Also find me a better news source that has accurate information that the mainstream media won't disseminate and I'll use that. So far www.infowars.com is the best I can find...
You are right it could be a complete con job, however multiple callers called in and agreed with the guy. I'd like to see their training manuals, but unfortunately because I'm on a watch list for wearing jeans and paying cash to buy coffee, I can't access them...
Dude, training manuals are available on the internet. The military recently implemented measures to restrict access to the most recent versions, but in all honesty they are virtually unchanged from the last version, and previous versions of pretty much every manual out there can be found on the open web. Also, since they are unclass/FOUO documents, anyone, even a private, could access them and release them if there was seriously anything questionable.
Of course I've already seen that there doesn't need to be anything nefarious in a manual for Infowars and similar sites to get people into a frenzy over it (I believe it was Detainee Operations or something similar that had people frothing at the mouth over nothing).
You mean the manual that mentions 're-education' and using 'social security numbers' to process people? The one that mentions the FEMA camps that have the barbed wire facing in? You know the ones where they have millions of industrial caskets pre-ordered? How about the billions of rounds they ordered in sniper and hollow point ammo, that the mainstream media tried to play off as thousands of rounds of practice ammo, that is just for one department. Now these are all facts backed up by FOI requests. Now I can understand if you don't agree with the speculation he ties to it, but what could they possibly want all of that for?
I mean are they going to lock up all the people that use file sharing software? All the illegal immigrants? Seriously what is all that stuff for?
You mean the manual that mentions 're-education'
I believe reeducation was Alex Jones's choice of words, not the military's.
and using 'social security numbers' to process people?
Um yeah. SSN is the standard way for the military to track people. You know the military does imprison its own people when they **** up, right?
The one that mentions the FEMA camps that have the barbed wire facing in?
Hahaha, barbed wire facing in? Usually barbed wire faces both ways...
You know the ones where they have millions of industrial caskets pre-ordered? How about the billions of rounds they ordered in sniper and hollow point ammo, that the mainstream media tried to play off as thousands of rounds of practice ammo, that is just for one department.
First of all, who is "they"? Secondly, thousands of rounds of ammo amounts to nothing. My unit can easily blow through that just for training alone, and it's a very small unit. In any case, that actually has nothing to do with the manual, which was being touted as proof in and of itself of some conspiracy.
Now these are all facts backed up by FOI requests. Now I can understand if you don't agree with the speculation he ties to it, but what could they possibly want all of that for?
Well since you don't specify who "they" is, I can't really tell you.
I mean are they going to lock up all the people that use file sharing software? All the illegal immigrants? Seriously what is all that stuff for?
Well again, who is "they"? As for detention operations, well it could be used by National Guard acting in a law enforcement capacity after a disaster (before you get your panties in a bunch, keep in mind that a lot of criminals take advantage of disasters, it doesn't mean they are arresting all the disaster victims). It could be used by the military when running military prisons, here or overseas. It could be used in FEMA camps, again not because OMG the gubment has some ebil conspiracy to round up people into concentration camps, but because you put a bunch of people that are already stressed out into a stressful situation in close proximity to each other, and yeah they may get a bit unruly.
There is absolutely nothing about it that points to some nefarious purpose.
Also find me a better news source that has accurate information that the mainstream media won't disseminate and I'll use that. So far www.infowars.com is the best I can find...
Maybe the mainstream media doesn't disseminate it because it's crap. I mean really, the media loves to speculate and get people hyped up over nothing, heck they were all over the NDAA when the actual text of the bill didn't back up their claims (although that points back to another theory I have, that everyone else just copies the first person to report on a story with no independent fact-checking so if one guy gets it wrong, so does everyone else). So if they choose to ignore something, it means there is absolutely nothing there that they can use.
You mean the manual that mentions 're-education'
I believe reeducation was Alex Jones's choice of words, not the military's.
Nope, the word 'reeducation' appears in the manual in reference to prisoners.
and using 'social security numbers' to process people?
Um yeah. SSN is the standard way for the military to track people. You know the military does imprison its own people when they **** up, right?
So they hold them in FEMA camps? Weird...
The one that mentions the FEMA camps that have the barbed wire facing in?
Hahaha, barbed wire facing in? Usually barbed wire faces both ways...
No, usually barbed wire fencing is bent down toward the side you want to keep people from climbing over. In the case of a lot of the FEMA camps its actually facing in.
You know the ones where they have millions of industrial caskets pre-ordered? How about the billions of rounds they ordered in sniper and hollow point ammo, that the mainstream media tried to play off as thousands of rounds of practice ammo, that is just for one department.
First of all, who is "they"? Secondly, thousands of rounds of ammo amounts to nothing. My unit can easily blow through that just for training alone, and it's a very small unit. In any case, that actually has nothing to do with the manual, which was being touted as proof in and of itself of some conspiracy.
I believe it was just the Social Security Administration. Though it looks like the Weather Service also bought a whole mess too. As to your claim that your unit could blow through that many hollow point rounds, that makes me wonder about your claim to be in the military and handle guns. You would need to stand there for 4+ hours every day to be able to use that many rounds in less than a year. Good luck with that...
Now these are all facts backed up by FOI requests. Now I can understand if you don't agree with the speculation he ties to it, but what could they possibly want all of that for?
Well since you don't specify who "they" is, I can't really tell you.
See above...
I mean are they going to lock up all the people that use file sharing software? All the illegal immigrants? Seriously what is all that stuff for?
Well again, who is "they"? As for detention operations, well it could be used by National Guard acting in a law enforcement capacity after a disaster (before you get your panties in a bunch, keep in mind that a lot of criminals take advantage of disasters, it doesn't mean they are arresting all the disaster victims). It could be used by the military when running military prisons, here or overseas. It could be used in FEMA camps, again not because OMG the gubment has some ebil conspiracy to round up people into concentration camps, but because you put a bunch of people that are already stressed out into a stressful situation in close proximity to each other, and yeah they may get a bit unruly.
There is absolutely nothing about it that points to some nefarious purpose.
They are factually taking away everyone's guns and evacuating people whether they want to or not. This is a serious violation of constitutional rights...
Where do I put forth that the 'gubment has some ebil conspiracy to round up people into concentration camps'? That's of course ignoring what we have done in WWII with the Japanese concentration camps in the U.S.
Please quit straw manning my arguments and fight facts with facts...
Also find me a better news source that has accurate information that the mainstream media won't disseminate and I'll use that. So far www.infowars.com is the best I can find...
Maybe the mainstream media doesn't disseminate it because it's crap. I mean really, the media loves to speculate and get people hyped up over nothing, heck they were all over the NDAA when the actual text of the bill didn't back up their claims (although that points back to another theory I have, that everyone else just copies the first person to report on a story with no independent fact-checking so if one guy gets it wrong, so does everyone else). So if they choose to ignore something, it means there is absolutely nothing there that they can use.
Yeah, here is proof that they cover select stories.
Here's another one.
Many of the world's most power people all under one roof, but not a news story right?
Reporters that go off script get covered up
Some more cover ups from the MSM
No they would never ever cover anything up ever. /snark
Talking about the Japanese camps during WWI is a fallacy. Faulty analogy.
Yeah, because the government never did that. Its not possible they would do it today, because... right /snark.
If we are talking about interment camps now a reference to the past is accurate. If we were talking about "The government is bad, they did this..." it would be a fallacy...
Nope, the word 'reeducation' appears in the manual in reference to prisoners.
I'll have to look that up, I haven't read the manual since I read the infowars article, which was a while ago. They were all up in arms over mention of psyops.
So they hold them in FEMA camps? Weird...
No, I don't believe that the mention of SSN was specific only to FEMA camps, the manual certainly was not specific to FEMA camps, but even as applies to FEMA, don't you think using SSN makes sense? How would you do it?
No, usually barbed wire fencing is bent down toward the side you want to keep people from climbing over. In the case of a lot of the FEMA camps its actually facing in.
Actually at a lot of military installations they either use coils of concertina wire, which would work both ways, or the barbed wire is bent down on both sides.
I believe it was just the Social Security Administration. Though it looks like the Weather Service also bought a whole mess too.
Actually is says the Social Security Administration, the Weather Service, and DHS, and doesn't specify the amounts ordered by each. Maybe the first two needed some for security personnel? As for DHS, well it includes border patrol, the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, etc., it seems they have a legit need for ammo. As for hollow point, who cares? Yeah the military can't use it in war (well technically we could right now but we don't), but it is perfectly legal for domestic use. I have hollow points in my gun at home. Also, it isn't uncommon for an organization to buy more than they need. The Army still issues out ammo that was produced during Vietnam.
As to your claim that your unit could blow through that many hollow point rounds, that makes me wonder about your claim to be in the military and handle guns. You would need to stand there for 4+ hours every day to be able to use that many rounds in less than a year. Good luck with that...
You said thousands, not the figure mentioned in the article. Also, I said my unit, not me alone, although if I shot more often I could burn through thousands of rounds in a year on my own. I have burned through hundreds of rounds in a single day on the range.
They are factually taking away everyone's guns and evacuating people whether they want to or not. This is a serious violation of constitutional rights...
When was this? Where are they taking away people's guns? As for evacuations, yeah they tell people to evacuate. People still choose to stay.
Where do I put forth that the 'gubment has some ebil conspiracy to round up people into concentration camps'? That's of course ignoring what we have done in WWII with the Japanese concentration camps in the U.S.
Yes, because it happened in WWII, clearly it must be happening again. Show me some real evidence of this. Did all those people FEMA helps after a disaster suddenly disappear? Or did they go back home?
Please quit straw manning my arguments and fight facts with facts...
What facts? You post something simple like DHS ordering ammo and then your speculation takes over from there. You offer facts, but not facts that actually support your conclusions.
Hey Alex Jones puts out a bunch of weird stories that don't make sense. I know, they must be filled with subliminal messages to hypnotize people so he can control their minds!
Hey, this is an evil shadow government out to control everything and they are in charge of the internet and politicians and they hunt down and assassinate people that speak out against it, but Alex Jones is untouched. The only rational explanation is that Alex Jones IS the shadow government!
DHS/FEMA now has the ability to carry a plastic explosive more powerful that C4 in a briefcase, that each page can be cut like strips and put around locks to gain entry into the homes of innocent Americans.
Talk about a strawman. Nowhere did the article even mention FEMA before that, but now suddenly we are to believe, without any evidence whatsoever, that FEMA is now carrying this around in a briefcase (not likely since that violates federal law and doesn't make any sense anyway) and is going to use it to breach your front door? That doesn't even make sense. First of all, a shotgun would be a perfectly suitable and cheaper breaching tool for your average home door. Even if you wanted to do an explosive breach, why not just use det cord? There's just no logic behind this, only paranoid speculation.
Nope, the word 'reeducation' appears in the manual in reference to prisoners.
I'll have to look that up, I haven't read the manual since I read the infowars article, which was a while ago. They were all up in arms over mention of psyops.So they hold them in FEMA camps? Weird...
No, I don't believe that the mention of SSN was specific only to FEMA camps, the manual certainly was not specific to FEMA camps, but even as applies to FEMA, don't you think using SSN makes sense? How would you do it?
By photos or DNA.
No, usually barbed wire fencing is bent down toward the side you want to keep people from climbing over. In the case of a lot of the FEMA camps its actually facing in.
Actually at a lot of military installations they either use coils of concertina wire, which would work both ways, or the barbed wire is bent down on both sides.I believe it was just the Social Security Administration. Though it looks like the Weather Service also bought a whole mess too.
Actually is says the Social Security Administration, the Weather Service, and DHS, and doesn't specify the amounts ordered by each. Maybe the first two needed some for security personnel? As for DHS, well it includes border patrol, the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, etc., it seems they have a legit need for ammo. As for hollow point, who cares? Yeah the military can't use it in war (well technically we could right now but we don't), but it is perfectly legal for domestic use. I have hollow points in my gun at home. Also, it isn't uncommon for an organization to buy more than they need. The Army still issues out ammo that was produced during Vietnam.
I thought gun powder became unstable after a few years? DHS was billions and the others were millions. In the article they quote what each of them ordered, they link the government websites that have the orders. Each of them ordered millions of rounds for just one yearly order. Then it goes on to show lots of explosives purchases of a very peculiar and specific type. Setting aside any conclusions, that is really suspicious behavior. What does the Social Security Administration need with that kind of ammo? Are they getting ready to solve the 'social security crisis'?
As to your claim that your unit could blow through that many hollow point rounds, that makes me wonder about your claim to be in the military and handle guns. You would need to stand there for 4+ hours every day to be able to use that many rounds in less than a year. Good luck with that...
You said thousands, not the figure mentioned in the article. Also, I said my unit, not me alone, although if I shot more often I could burn through thousands of rounds in a year on my own. I have burned through hundreds of rounds in a single day on the range.
Ok, so you couldn't burn through millions of hollow point rounds which are not used for practice. What does that say? They are preparing for 'something'. The amounts they ordered is several times their normal purchases.
They are factually taking away everyone's guns and evacuating people whether they want to or not. This is a serious violation of constitutional rights...
When was this? Where are they taking away people's guns? As for evacuations, yeah they tell people to evacuate. People still choose to stay.
NYT New Orleans gun confiscation
More gun grab news
So "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" means if a hurricane comes around we can grab your guns and force you to evacuate? Hmm... something wrong there...
Where do I put forth that the 'gubment has some ebil conspiracy to round up people into concentration camps'? That's of course ignoring what we have done in WWII with the Japanese concentration camps in the U.S.
Yes, because it happened in WWII, clearly it must be happening again. Show me some real evidence of this. Did all those people FEMA helps after a disaster suddenly disappear? Or did they go back home?
We haven't seen this yet, doesn't mean it can't happen. I mean they passed the NDAA and block any attempt to explicitly exempt U.S. citizens. If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't fight it so hard would they?
Please quit straw manning my arguments and fight facts with facts...
What facts? You post something simple like DHS ordering ammo and then your speculation takes over from there. You offer facts, but not facts that actually support your conclusions.
What speculation? I haven't speculated anything. I've presented fact. Refute the facts. Its a simple process...
Hey Alex Jones puts out a bunch of weird stories that don't make sense. I know, they must be filled with subliminal messages to hypnotize people so he can control their minds!
Hey, this is an evil shadow government out to control everything and they are in charge of the internet and politicians and they hunt down and assassinate people that speak out against it, but Alex Jones is untouched. The only rational explanation is that Alex Jones IS the shadow government!
Yeah, I said none of that. That's all nonsense. Please refute the facts. I don't agree with a lot of his conclusions. I do like the facts he digs up...
That same article also freaks out about a "super high powered explosive" (no it's a standard military explosive, nothing particularly super about it) being purchased by DHS. And only 1,400 lbs, that's really nothing to get bent out of shape over. Oh and then there was this gem:DHS/FEMA now has the ability to carry a plastic explosive more powerful that C4 in a briefcase, that each page can be cut like strips and put around locks to gain entry into the homes of innocent Americans.
Talk about a strawman. Nowhere did the article even mention FEMA before that, but now suddenly we are to believe, without any evidence whatsoever, that FEMA is now carrying this around in a briefcase (not likely since that violates federal law and doesn't make any sense anyway) and is going to use it to breach your front door? That doesn't even make sense. First of all, a shotgun would be a perfectly suitable and cheaper breaching tool for your average home door. Even if you wanted to do an explosive breach, why not just use det cord? There's just no logic behind this, only paranoid speculation.
I don't care for their speculation or conclusions. I do care for the facts they present. The facts are disturbing...
I don't care for their speculation or conclusions. I do care for the facts they present. The facts are disturbing...
Speculation is exactly what you keep presenting. The facts that you present show nothing and therefore are not disturbing.
I don't care for their speculation or conclusions. I do care for the facts they present. The facts are disturbing...
Speculation is exactly what you keep presenting. The facts that you present show nothing and therefore are not disturbing.
Ummm... what facts does he present?
I fixed your quotes...
Thanks, you're a peach ;)
By photos or DNA.
Wait, so you're upset that they enroll people by SSN, but you would be comfortable with them taking DNA from everyone and using that instead? WTF? SSN is a simple and unique identifier and it doesn't require invading their body in order to enroll them. Also, the military already uses SSN to track their own people, so it doesn't require any adjustment. It goes on pretty much every piece of paperwork that gets processed for an individual, that way there isn't confusion between them and someone else. It isn't reasonable to attach a photo or DNA sample to every form you fill out, especially if it is done by hand.
I thought gun powder became unstable after a few years?
No, where did you get that idea? Now some of it does become corrosive over time, which is bad for the weapon but can be fixed with proper maintenance, and doesn't affect the firing.
DHS was billions and the others were millions. In the article they quote what each of them ordered, they link the government websites that have the orders. Each of them ordered millions of rounds for just one yearly order.
I don't recall it saying millions, you yourself said thousands. I just looked at it again, not seeing it.
Then it goes on to show lots of explosives purchases of a very peculiar and specific type. Setting aside any conclusions, that is really suspicious behavior.
How are you setting aside conclusions when you say that is really suspicious behavior? That IS a conclusion. Anyway, no it is not suspicious at all. Of course it is of a specific type (actually two specific types). The article even says the request was for training dogs. They need to train them on specific explosives (otherwise the dogs can't detect those explosives) and they need enough to provide standardized training across the board. There is nothing suspicious about it. Both are types of explosives that are used to train military dogs as well.
What does the Social Security Administration need with that kind of ammo? Are they getting ready to solve the 'social security crisis'?
What do you mean "that kind of ammo"? They either need ammo or they don't, and I already suggested that perhaps they have their own security personnel. If the Department of Education has them, why not SSA as well?
Ok, so you couldn't burn through millions of hollow point rounds which are not used for practice. What does that say? They are preparing for 'something'. The amounts they ordered is several times their normal purchases.
No, it doesn't say anything except that they ordered X number of rounds. As for practice, yeah most people use ball ammo for practice because it's cheaper, but really if you want to be as good as you can be, you should practice with the same ammo you want to use in a real situation. Also, DHS has its own test/R&D people, is it really outside the realm of belief that some of that will be used for certain tests? There are also programs where DHS provides assistance to equip state and local agencies. Maybe it's part of some other odd thing, like some foreign partnership deal. Honestly I don't know where exactly each round is going, what I know is that there are a lot of possible explanations and nothing to indicate that this is something to get wrapped around the axle over.
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More gun grab news
So "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" means if a hurricane comes around we can grab your guns and force you to evacuate? Hmm... something wrong there...
Local police, not federal as you suggested. This isn't FEMA or DHS going around taking your guns.
Don't get me wrong, it's still ****ed up. It is absolutely wrong and a violation of their rights and I hope someone sued over that, but it's not some Big Brother conspiracy. That's New Orleans being jacked up, as usual.
The only thing FEMA did was say they didn't want guns in their trailer parks, which they can do. It's not the same as coming to your house and taking your guns. I don't agree with it, but it's no more a conspiracy than if Applebees says they won't allow you to carry your shotgun into their establishment even if the state allows open carry.
Oh what do you know...
The FEMA action follows the successful lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court in Baton Rouge by SAF to prevent the City of New Orleans and nearby parishes from confiscating firearms and forcing the return of those already taken from Hurricane Katrina victims.
Yep they screwed up and I doubt that will be happening anymore. Like I said, jacked up, but it was ruled that they were wrong. It's not indicative of some evil conspiracy. Also, this instance of confiscating guns isn't the same as what you implied. The way you framed it implied that this was some nationwide event going on to disarm the entire population and that clearly is not the case.
We haven't seen this yet, doesn't mean it can't happen. I mean they passed the NDAA and block any attempt to explicitly exempt U.S. citizens. If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't fight it so hard would they?
No they didn't. The NDAA specifically exempts US citizens, US legal residents, and anyone caught on US soil. Which is actually MORE restrictive than the international laws of war, under which the President could already indefinitely detain enemies during war and citizenship played no part in it.
What speculation? I haven't speculated anything. I've presented fact. Refute the facts. Its a simple process...
"it's really suspicious"..."they must be planning something"...these are speculations and not facts.
(although that points back to another theory I have, that everyone else just copies the first person to report on a story with no independent fact-checking so if one guy gets it wrong, so does everyone else)
I thought it was obvious
It's funny when non-gaming journalists are writing about violent games; they are usually bringing up titles like Quake, Doom or Carmageddon. Shows how fresh their sources are
No, usually barbed wire fencing is bent down toward the side you want to keep people from climbing over. In the case of a lot of the FEMA camps its actually facing in.
Since I just crossed a barbed wire fence Sunday (and have been around them for, oh, almost 30 years now), I think I'll weigh in here. Barbed wire doesn't 'face' any direction. It's simply wire twisted on wire. It faces both sides of the fence and up and down at the same time. It's a simple construction in order to make implementation easier. Srsly, anyone that tells you that there's some place that you've never seen that has 'barbed wire facing in' is an idiot who's lying to you. I mean, a real dummy. Cuz barbed wire doesn't work that way.
As for 'thousands of rounds' being a lot, I've personally shot over 500 in 6 hours. That's with a lot of down time, too. And I'm a civilian. I know civilians that go through 10k rounds plus per year. Now if you change these civvies to full time military and you make it a lot more people, well, it's pretty easy to see how astronomical ammo consumption can legitimately be.
dood, I have to wonder about your 'sources'. They obviously don't know even the most basic things about stuff that can be so easily researched it's pitiful.
dood, I have to wonder about your 'sources'. They obviously don't know even the most basic things about stuff that can be so easily researched it's pitiful.
It took you this long to wonder about his sources? Really?
No.
Liar.
Facist
Liar.Facist
Since I just crossed a barbed wire fence Sunday (and have been around them for, oh, almost 30 years now).
You be in prison, man?
Nah, his church is just pretty radical.
No, usually barbed wire fencing is bent down toward the side you want to keep people from climbing over. In the case of a lot of the FEMA camps its actually facing in.
Since I just crossed a barbed wire fence Sunday (and have been around them for, oh, almost 30 years now), I think I'll weigh in here. Barbed wire doesn't 'face' any direction. It's simply wire twisted on wire. It faces both sides of the fence and up and down at the same time. It's a simple construction in order to make implementation easier. Srsly, anyone that tells you that there's some place that you've never seen that has 'barbed wire facing in' is an idiot who's lying to you. I mean, a real dummy. Cuz barbed wire doesn't work that way.
Barbed Wire
Nuff said.
As for 'thousands of rounds' being a lot, I've personally shot over 500 in 6 hours. That's with a lot of down time, too. And I'm a civilian. I know civilians that go through 10k rounds plus per year. Now if you change these civvies to full time military and you make it a lot more people, well, it's pretty easy to see how astronomical ammo consumption can legitimately be.
dood, I have to wonder about your 'sources'. They obviously don't know even the most basic things about stuff that can be so easily researched it's pitiful.
My main problem is that they significantly increased their purchases over previous quarters and years...
I fixed your quotes...
Thanks, you're a peach ;)By photos or DNA.
Wait, so you're upset that they enroll people by SSN, but you would be comfortable with them taking DNA from everyone and using that instead? WTF? SSN is a simple and unique identifier and it doesn't require invading their body in order to enroll them. Also, the military already uses SSN to track their own people, so it doesn't require any adjustment. It goes on pretty much every piece of paperwork that gets processed for an individual, that way there isn't confusion between them and someone else. It isn't reasonable to attach a photo or DNA sample to every form you fill out, especially if it is done by hand.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
I thought gun powder became unstable after a few years?
No, where did you get that idea? Now some of it does become corrosive over time, which is bad for the weapon but can be fixed with proper maintenance, and doesn't affect the firing.DHS was billions and the others were millions. In the article they quote what each of them ordered, they link the government websites that have the orders. Each of them ordered millions of rounds for just one yearly order.
I don't recall it saying millions, you yourself said thousands. I just looked at it again, not seeing it.
It says one point something billion which is a huge increase over previous years. Then it talks about specific departments getting several million each. Departments that shouldn't even have armed people like the social security administration.
Then it goes on to show lots of explosives purchases of a very peculiar and specific type. Setting aside any conclusions, that is really suspicious behavior.
How are you setting aside conclusions when you say that is really suspicious behavior? That IS a conclusion. Anyway, no it is not suspicious at all. Of course it is of a specific type (actually two specific types). The article even says the request was for training dogs. They need to train them on specific explosives (otherwise the dogs can't detect those explosives) and they need enough to provide standardized training across the board. There is nothing suspicious about it. Both are types of explosives that are used to train military dogs as well.
Yes, but the amounts are not trivial. They are a great increase over previous years.
What does the Social Security Administration need with that kind of ammo? Are they getting ready to solve the 'social security crisis'?
What do you mean "that kind of ammo"? They either need ammo or they don't, and I already suggested that perhaps they have their own security personnel. If the Department of Education has them, why not SSA as well?
Its a messed up world when the Department of Education needs tons of bullets. Same for the SSA, unless they are going to solve the SS problem that's brewing...
Ok, so you couldn't burn through millions of hollow point rounds which are not used for practice. What does that say? They are preparing for 'something'. The amounts they ordered is several times their normal purchases.
No, it doesn't say anything except that they ordered X number of rounds. As for practice, yeah most people use ball ammo for practice because it's cheaper, but really if you want to be as good as you can be, you should practice with the same ammo you want to use in a real situation. Also, DHS has its own test/R&D people, is it really outside the realm of belief that some of that will be used for certain tests? There are also programs where DHS provides assistance to equip state and local agencies. Maybe it's part of some other odd thing, like some foreign partnership deal. Honestly I don't know where exactly each round is going, what I know is that there are a lot of possible explanations and nothing to indicate that this is something to get wrapped around the axle over.
So then at BEST its a gross misuse of funds. At worst they are preparing for something to go down. You still haven't addressed why they need such a huge increase over previous orders.
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More gun grab news
So "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" means if a hurricane comes around we can grab your guns and force you to evacuate? Hmm... something wrong there...
Local police, not federal as you suggested. This isn't FEMA or DHS going around taking your guns.
Don't get me wrong, it's still ****ed up. It is absolutely wrong and a violation of their rights and I hope someone sued over that, but it's not some Big Brother conspiracy. That's New Orleans being jacked up, as usual.
The only thing FEMA did was say they didn't want guns in their trailer parks, which they can do. It's not the same as coming to your house and taking your guns. I don't agree with it, but it's no more a conspiracy than if Applebees says they won't allow you to carry your shotgun into their establishment even if the state allows open carry.
So a company or government department can violate the constitution? So what happens when the Federal Reserve cashes in on all those houses they own the mortgages to (they have been buying the toxic housing derivatives for years now)? That's a scary thought. Same thing with all of these internet advertising and software companies sharing all of their info on users with the government.
By that logic the Government can declare imminent domain take your house and land and then make you a slave because they set the rules...
Oh what do you know...The FEMA action follows the successful lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court in Baton Rouge by SAF to prevent the City of New Orleans and nearby parishes from confiscating firearms and forcing the return of those already taken from Hurricane Katrina victims.
Yep they screwed up and I doubt that will be happening anymore. Like I said, jacked up, but it was ruled that they were wrong. It's not indicative of some evil conspiracy. Also, this instance of confiscating guns isn't the same as what you implied. The way you framed it implied that this was some nationwide event going on to disarm the entire population and that clearly is not the case.
You are right. It wasn't FEMA it was the military action on the part of FEMA:
We haven't seen this yet, doesn't mean it can't happen. I mean they passed the NDAA and block any attempt to explicitly exempt U.S. citizens. If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't fight it so hard would they?
No they didn't. The NDAA specifically exempts US citizens, US legal residents, and anyone caught on US soil. Which is actually MORE restrictive than the international laws of war, under which the President could already indefinitely detain enemies during war and citizenship played no part in it.
This still doesn't answer the question of why they are blocking it. If it already says that wouldn't this not have been opposed? How about the court cases that were filed and then Obama's judges overruled.
What speculation? I haven't speculated anything. I've presented fact. Refute the facts. Its a simple process...
"it's really suspicious"..."they must be planning something"...these are speculations and not facts.
Things can actually be suspicious and people and governments plan things all of the time. Sometimes its bad sometimes its good. I mean we trust known liers to make the right decisions...
But any way, Ive FINALLY figured it out.
You're all nuts, bat-**** crazy, the whole lot of you!!
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Barbed Wire
Nuff said.
Notice, if you will, that the barbs don't face a particular direction. The fence is set up a certain way but the barbed wire isn't. Seems to me it's mostly a case of bad presentation. Like, don't say barbed wire when you mean fence (not you, you - the other, general you). ;)
My main problem is that they significantly increased their purchases over previous quarters and years...
Ok, that's fair. There's many possible explanations for this, though. Two wars may have depleted the stockpile and they're attempting to recoup. Could be that they had some extra money left in the budget and needed to dump it to hopefully avoid a decrease in the next one and they chose ammo cuz, well, you can never have too much. I mean, there's a lot of valid, sensible potential answers here.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
What? No, it doesn't assume anything. Because whether you are dealing with military personnel or not, SSN is the easiest and currently the best way to process everyone. It still boggles my mind that you are more ok with the government taking everyone's DNA than using SSN to process people.
It says one point something billion which is a huge increase over previous years. Then it talks about specific departments getting several million each. Departments that shouldn't even have armed people like the social security administration.
No, it doesn't say how many the other departments are getting. And why shouldn't they have armed people? If there is a need for security personnel, and if you want those personnel to be armed, then yeah there is a need for guns and therefore ammo.
Yes, but the amounts are not trivial. They are a great increase over previous years.
So what? Maybe they are starting a new R&D project. Maybe they increased the number of armed personnel. Maybe they found that proficiency was lacking and their previous projections were not enough. There are tons of possibilities that don't involve some nefarious plot that doesn't even make any sense.
Its a messed up world when the Department of Education needs tons of bullets. Same for the SSA, unless they are going to solve the SS problem that's brewing...
Yeah, we all know in a perfect world no one would need guns or ammo. We also know we don't live in a perfect world. So what's your point?
So then at BEST its a gross misuse of funds. At worst they are preparing for something to go down. You still haven't addressed why they need such a huge increase over previous orders.
How is it a gross misuse of funds when you don't know what it is being used for? At worst, well your "worst" doesn't even pass the common sense test.
So a company or government department can violate the constitution?
I never said that. I already said police confiscating weapons was ****ed up.
So what happens when the Federal Reserve cashes in on all those houses they own the mortgages to (they have been buying the toxic housing derivatives for years now)?
What are you talking about? Cashing in? How? I don't think you understand how the system works.
That's a scary thought. Same thing with all of these internet advertising and software companies sharing all of their info on users with the government.
We've had this discussion before. First of all, while I'm sure some companies do, some of the "proof" out there is a bit sketchy. Second, you agree to the terms of use. Third, you have the option not to use certain sites or software. Fourth, a lot of what people are putting on the internet is available for everyone to see anyway. Fifth, so ****ing what?
By that logic the Government can declare imminent domain take your house and land and then make you a slave because they set the rules...
Um...no that's not how it works.
This still doesn't answer the question of why they are blocking it. If it already says that wouldn't this not have been opposed? How about the court cases that were filed and then Obama's judges overruled.
Read the court's ruling. There were two key points to it. First, the court heard the case because it agreed that the plaintiffs had a reasonable fear. Note that their fear is based on their perception of the law, which was driven by media that has become horrible at doing any independent fact-checking. Second, the court ruled that barring that provision of the NDAA wouldn't actually hurt the government's ability to conduct its duties because of the government's own (and correct) argument that the NDAA wasn't a significant change from what was already allowed.
Things can actually be suspicious and people and governments plan things all of the time. Sometimes its bad sometimes its good. I mean we trust known liers to make the right decisions...
How many times have you or Alex Jones claimed of some sort of imminent danger? I believe I read one that was claiming they were getting ready for martial law after the elections. Where is it? Where is the danger, the plots, rounding up dissidents, all the stuff that has been circulating for years?
I agree that it can be ok to be suspicious, hell I'm suspicious. You are paranoid. They are not the same thing. You and other conspiracy theorists are so busy jumping at shadows that you are going to completely miss the stuff that is actually going on.
Notice, if you will, that the barbs don't face a particular direction. The fence is set up a certain way but the barbed wire isn't. Seems to me it's mostly a case of bad presentation. Like, don't say barbed wire when you mean fence (not you, you - the other, general you). ;)
And like I pointed out earlier, it's not uncommon to have the fences facing both ways. Also, the military, especially when setting up a temporary camp, likes to use rolls of concertina wire, which are also going to interdict both ways.
Ok, that's fair. There's many possible explanations for this, though. Two wars may have depleted the stockpile and they're attempting to recoup. Could be that they had some extra money left in the budget and needed to dump it to hopefully avoid a decrease in the next one and they chose ammo cuz, well, you can never have too much. I mean, there's a lot of valid, sensible potential answers here.
I'm glad you brought that up, I forgot about the budget thing. Yeah, sad fact is that our government's budget system encourages wasteful spending. Because for a lot of organizations, if you don't spend it one year, you lose it the next year. I've seen organizations spend it on a lot dumber stuff than more bullets.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Yep, don't want to do the work to prove your point, so you make a joke.
I was talking about being used on people other than military personnel. Of course the book is FOR military personnel...
Barbed Wire
Nuff said.
Notice, if you will, that the barbs don't face a particular direction. The fence is set up a certain way but the barbed wire isn't. Seems to me it's mostly a case of bad presentation. Like, don't say barbed wire when you mean fence (not you, you - the other, general you). ;)My main problem is that they significantly increased their purchases over previous quarters and years...
Ok, that's fair. There's many possible explanations for this, though. Two wars may have depleted the stockpile and they're attempting to recoup. Could be that they had some extra money left in the budget and needed to dump it to hopefully avoid a decrease in the next one and they chose ammo cuz, well, you can never have too much. I mean, there's a lot of valid, sensible potential answers here.
I don't remember a war that the Department of Homeland Security or the Social Security Administration were involved in. Maybe I missed a few. There was that Occupy Walmart or Wall-Street or whatever it was...
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Yep, don't want to do the work to prove your point, so you make a joke.
I was talking about being used on people other than military personnel. Of course the book is FOR military personnel...
Your logic is flawed.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Yep, don't want to do the work to prove your point, so you make a joke.
I was talking about being used on people other than military personnel. Of course the book is FOR military personnel...
Your logis is flawed.
What? Are they wacking people over the head with the books then?
What? Are they wacking people over the head with the books then?
It appears you got re-educated more than once.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Yep, don't want to do the work to prove your point, so you make a joke.
I was talking about being used on people other than military personnel. Of course the book is FOR military personnel...
Well feel free to answer my response to this, as well as the rest of my post...
Nope, the word 'reeducation' appears in the manual in reference to prisoners.
I'll have to look that up, I haven't read the manual since I read the infowars article, which was a while ago. They were all up in arms over mention of psyops.So they hold them in FEMA camps? Weird...
No, I don't believe that the mention of SSN was specific only to FEMA camps, the manual certainly was not specific to FEMA camps, but even as applies to FEMA, don't you think using SSN makes sense? How would you do it?
By photos or DNA.
No, usually barbed wire fencing is bent down toward the side you want to keep people from climbing over. In the case of a lot of the FEMA camps its actually facing in.
Actually at a lot of military installations they either use coils of concertina wire, which would work both ways, or the barbed wire is bent down on both sides.I believe it was just the Social Security Administration. Though it looks like the Weather Service also bought a whole mess too.
Actually is says the Social Security Administration, the Weather Service, and DHS, and doesn't specify the amounts ordered by each. Maybe the first two needed some for security personnel? As for DHS, well it includes border patrol, the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, etc., it seems they have a legit need for ammo. As for hollow point, who cares? Yeah the military can't use it in war (well technically we could right now but we don't), but it is perfectly legal for domestic use. I have hollow points in my gun at home. Also, it isn't uncommon for an organization to buy more than they need. The Army still issues out ammo that was produced during Vietnam.
I thought gun powder became unstable after a few years? DHS was billions and the others were millions. In the article they quote what each of them ordered, they link the government websites that have the orders. Each of them ordered millions of rounds for just one yearly order. Then it goes on to show lots of explosives purchases of a very peculiar and specific type. Setting aside any conclusions, that is really suspicious behavior. What does the Social Security Administration need with that kind of ammo? Are they getting ready to solve the 'social security crisis'?
As to your claim that your unit could blow through that many hollow point rounds, that makes me wonder about your claim to be in the military and handle guns. You would need to stand there for 4+ hours every day to be able to use that many rounds in less than a year. Good luck with that...
You said thousands, not the figure mentioned in the article. Also, I said my unit, not me alone, although if I shot more often I could burn through thousands of rounds in a year on my own. I have burned through hundreds of rounds in a single day on the range.
Ok, so you couldn't burn through millions of hollow point rounds which are not used for practice. What does that say? They are preparing for 'something'. The amounts they ordered is several times their normal purchases.
They are factually taking away everyone's guns and evacuating people whether they want to or not. This is a serious violation of constitutional rights...
When was this? Where are they taking away people's guns? As for evacuations, yeah they tell people to evacuate. People still choose to stay.
NYT New Orleans gun confiscation
More gun grab news
So "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" means if a hurricane comes around we can grab your guns and force you to evacuate? Hmm... something wrong there...
Where do I put forth that the 'gubment has some ebil conspiracy to round up people into concentration camps'? That's of course ignoring what we have done in WWII with the Japanese concentration camps in the U.S.
Yes, because it happened in WWII, clearly it must be happening again. Show me some real evidence of this. Did all those people FEMA helps after a disaster suddenly disappear? Or did they go back home?
We haven't seen this yet, doesn't mean it can't happen. I mean they passed the NDAA and block any attempt to explicitly exempt U.S. citizens. If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't fight it so hard would they?
Please quit straw manning my arguments and fight facts with facts...
What facts? You post something simple like DHS ordering ammo and then your speculation takes over from there. You offer facts, but not facts that actually support your conclusions.
What speculation? I haven't speculated anything. I've presented fact. Refute the facts. Its a simple process...
Hey Alex Jones puts out a bunch of weird stories that don't make sense. I know, they must be filled with subliminal messages to hypnotize people so he can control their minds!
Hey, this is an evil shadow government out to control everything and they are in charge of the internet and politicians and they hunt down and assassinate people that speak out against it, but Alex Jones is untouched. The only rational explanation is that Alex Jones IS the shadow government!
Yeah, I said none of that. That's all nonsense. Please refute the facts. I don't agree with a lot of his conclusions. I do like the facts he digs up...
That same article also freaks out about a "super high powered explosive" (no it's a standard military explosive, nothing particularly super about it) being purchased by DHS. And only 1,400 lbs, that's really nothing to get bent out of shape over. Oh and then there was this gem:DHS/FEMA now has the ability to carry a plastic explosive more powerful that C4 in a briefcase, that each page can be cut like strips and put around locks to gain entry into the homes of innocent Americans.
Talk about a strawman. Nowhere did the article even mention FEMA before that, but now suddenly we are to believe, without any evidence whatsoever, that FEMA is now carrying this around in a briefcase (not likely since that violates federal law and doesn't make any sense anyway) and is going to use it to breach your front door? That doesn't even make sense. First of all, a shotgun would be a perfectly suitable and cheaper breaching tool for your average home door. Even if you wanted to do an explosive breach, why not just use det cord? There's just no logic behind this, only paranoid speculation.
I don't care for their speculation or conclusions. I do care for the facts they present. The facts are disturbing...
I don't care for their speculation or conclusions. I do care for the facts they present. The facts are disturbing...
Speculation is exactly what you keep presenting. The facts that you present show nothing and therefore are not disturbing.
I don't care for their speculation or conclusions. I do care for the facts they present. The facts are disturbing...
Speculation is exactly what you keep presenting. The facts that you present show nothing and therefore are not disturbing.
Ummm... what facts does he present?
I fixed your quotes...
Thanks, you're a peach ;)
By photos or DNA.
Wait, so you're upset that they enroll people by SSN, but you would be comfortable with them taking DNA from everyone and using that instead? WTF? SSN is a simple and unique identifier and it doesn't require invading their body in order to enroll them. Also, the military already uses SSN to track their own people, so it doesn't require any adjustment. It goes on pretty much every piece of paperwork that gets processed for an individual, that way there isn't confusion between them and someone else. It isn't reasonable to attach a photo or DNA sample to every form you fill out, especially if it is done by hand.
I thought gun powder became unstable after a few years?
No, where did you get that idea? Now some of it does become corrosive over time, which is bad for the weapon but can be fixed with proper maintenance, and doesn't affect the firing.
DHS was billions and the others were millions. In the article they quote what each of them ordered, they link the government websites that have the orders. Each of them ordered millions of rounds for just one yearly order.
I don't recall it saying millions, you yourself said thousands. I just looked at it again, not seeing it.
Then it goes on to show lots of explosives purchases of a very peculiar and specific type. Setting aside any conclusions, that is really suspicious behavior.
How are you setting aside conclusions when you say that is really suspicious behavior? That IS a conclusion. Anyway, no it is not suspicious at all. Of course it is of a specific type (actually two specific types). The article even says the request was for training dogs. They need to train them on specific explosives (otherwise the dogs can't detect those explosives) and they need enough to provide standardized training across the board. There is nothing suspicious about it. Both are types of explosives that are used to train military dogs as well.
What does the Social Security Administration need with that kind of ammo? Are they getting ready to solve the 'social security crisis'?
What do you mean "that kind of ammo"? They either need ammo or they don't, and I already suggested that perhaps they have their own security personnel. If the Department of Education has them, why not SSA as well?
Ok, so you couldn't burn through millions of hollow point rounds which are not used for practice. What does that say? They are preparing for 'something'. The amounts they ordered is several times their normal purchases.
No, it doesn't say anything except that they ordered X number of rounds. As for practice, yeah most people use ball ammo for practice because it's cheaper, but really if you want to be as good as you can be, you should practice with the same ammo you want to use in a real situation. Also, DHS has its own test/R&D people, is it really outside the realm of belief that some of that will be used for certain tests? There are also programs where DHS provides assistance to equip state and local agencies. Maybe it's part of some other odd thing, like some foreign partnership deal. Honestly I don't know where exactly each round is going, what I know is that there are a lot of possible explanations and nothing to indicate that this is something to get wrapped around the axle over.
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More gun grab news
So "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" means if a hurricane comes around we can grab your guns and force you to evacuate? Hmm... something wrong there...
Local police, not federal as you suggested. This isn't FEMA or DHS going around taking your guns.
Don't get me wrong, it's still ****ed up. It is absolutely wrong and a violation of their rights and I hope someone sued over that, but it's not some Big Brother conspiracy. That's New Orleans being jacked up, as usual.
The only thing FEMA did was say they didn't want guns in their trailer parks, which they can do. It's not the same as coming to your house and taking your guns. I don't agree with it, but it's no more a conspiracy than if Applebees says they won't allow you to carry your shotgun into their establishment even if the state allows open carry.
Oh what do you know...
The FEMA action follows the successful lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court in Baton Rouge by SAF to prevent the City of New Orleans and nearby parishes from confiscating firearms and forcing the return of those already taken from Hurricane Katrina victims.
Yep they screwed up and I doubt that will be happening anymore. Like I said, jacked up, but it was ruled that they were wrong. It's not indicative of some evil conspiracy. Also, this instance of confiscating guns isn't the same as what you implied. The way you framed it implied that this was some nationwide event going on to disarm the entire population and that clearly is not the case.
We haven't seen this yet, doesn't mean it can't happen. I mean they passed the NDAA and block any attempt to explicitly exempt U.S. citizens. If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't fight it so hard would they?
No they didn't. The NDAA specifically exempts US citizens, US legal residents, and anyone caught on US soil. Which is actually MORE restrictive than the international laws of war, under which the President could already indefinitely detain enemies during war and citizenship played no part in it.
What speculation? I haven't speculated anything. I've presented fact. Refute the facts. Its a simple process...
"it's really suspicious"..."they must be planning something"...these are speculations and not facts.
(although that points back to another theory I have, that everyone else just copies the first person to report on a story with no independent fact-checking so if one guy gets it wrong, so does everyone else)
I thought it was obvious
It's funny when non-gaming journalists are writing about violent games; they are usually bringing up titles like Quake, Doom or Carmageddon. Shows how fresh their sources are
No, usually barbed wire fencing is bent down toward the side you want to keep people from climbing over. In the case of a lot of the FEMA camps its actually facing in.
Since I just crossed a barbed wire fence Sunday (and have been around them for, oh, almost 30 years now), I think I'll weigh in here. Barbed wire doesn't 'face' any direction. It's simply wire twisted on wire. It faces both sides of the fence and up and down at the same time. It's a simple construction in order to make implementation easier. Srsly, anyone that tells you that there's some place that you've never seen that has 'barbed wire facing in' is an idiot who's lying to you. I mean, a real dummy. Cuz barbed wire doesn't work that way.
As for 'thousands of rounds' being a lot, I've personally shot over 500 in 6 hours. That's with a lot of down time, too. And I'm a civilian. I know civilians that go through 10k rounds plus per year. Now if you change these civvies to full time military and you make it a lot more people, well, it's pretty easy to see how astronomical ammo consumption can legitimately be.
dood, I have to wonder about your 'sources'. They obviously don't know even the most basic things about stuff that can be so easily researched it's pitiful.
dood, I have to wonder about your 'sources'. They obviously don't know even the most basic things about stuff that can be so easily researched it's pitiful.
It took you this long to wonder about his sources? Really?
No.
Liar.
Facist
Liar.Facist
Since I just crossed a barbed wire fence Sunday (and have been around them for, oh, almost 30 years now).
You be in prison, man?
Nah, his church is just pretty radical.
No, usually barbed wire fencing is bent down toward the side you want to keep people from climbing over. In the case of a lot of the FEMA camps its actually facing in.
Since I just crossed a barbed wire fence Sunday (and have been around them for, oh, almost 30 years now), I think I'll weigh in here. Barbed wire doesn't 'face' any direction. It's simply wire twisted on wire. It faces both sides of the fence and up and down at the same time. It's a simple construction in order to make implementation easier. Srsly, anyone that tells you that there's some place that you've never seen that has 'barbed wire facing in' is an idiot who's lying to you. I mean, a real dummy. Cuz barbed wire doesn't work that way.
Barbed Wire
Nuff said.
As for 'thousands of rounds' being a lot, I've personally shot over 500 in 6 hours. That's with a lot of down time, too. And I'm a civilian. I know civilians that go through 10k rounds plus per year. Now if you change these civvies to full time military and you make it a lot more people, well, it's pretty easy to see how astronomical ammo consumption can legitimately be.
dood, I have to wonder about your 'sources'. They obviously don't know even the most basic things about stuff that can be so easily researched it's pitiful.
My main problem is that they significantly increased their purchases over previous quarters and years...
I fixed your quotes...
Thanks, you're a peach ;)By photos or DNA.
Wait, so you're upset that they enroll people by SSN, but you would be comfortable with them taking DNA from everyone and using that instead? WTF? SSN is a simple and unique identifier and it doesn't require invading their body in order to enroll them. Also, the military already uses SSN to track their own people, so it doesn't require any adjustment. It goes on pretty much every piece of paperwork that gets processed for an individual, that way there isn't confusion between them and someone else. It isn't reasonable to attach a photo or DNA sample to every form you fill out, especially if it is done by hand.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
I thought gun powder became unstable after a few years?
No, where did you get that idea? Now some of it does become corrosive over time, which is bad for the weapon but can be fixed with proper maintenance, and doesn't affect the firing.DHS was billions and the others were millions. In the article they quote what each of them ordered, they link the government websites that have the orders. Each of them ordered millions of rounds for just one yearly order.
I don't recall it saying millions, you yourself said thousands. I just looked at it again, not seeing it.
It says one point something billion which is a huge increase over previous years. Then it talks about specific departments getting several million each. Departments that shouldn't even have armed people like the social security administration.
Then it goes on to show lots of explosives purchases of a very peculiar and specific type. Setting aside any conclusions, that is really suspicious behavior.
How are you setting aside conclusions when you say that is really suspicious behavior? That IS a conclusion. Anyway, no it is not suspicious at all. Of course it is of a specific type (actually two specific types). The article even says the request was for training dogs. They need to train them on specific explosives (otherwise the dogs can't detect those explosives) and they need enough to provide standardized training across the board. There is nothing suspicious about it. Both are types of explosives that are used to train military dogs as well.
Yes, but the amounts are not trivial. They are a great increase over previous years.
What does the Social Security Administration need with that kind of ammo? Are they getting ready to solve the 'social security crisis'?
What do you mean "that kind of ammo"? They either need ammo or they don't, and I already suggested that perhaps they have their own security personnel. If the Department of Education has them, why not SSA as well?
Its a messed up world when the Department of Education needs tons of bullets. Same for the SSA, unless they are going to solve the SS problem that's brewing...
Ok, so you couldn't burn through millions of hollow point rounds which are not used for practice. What does that say? They are preparing for 'something'. The amounts they ordered is several times their normal purchases.
No, it doesn't say anything except that they ordered X number of rounds. As for practice, yeah most people use ball ammo for practice because it's cheaper, but really if you want to be as good as you can be, you should practice with the same ammo you want to use in a real situation. Also, DHS has its own test/R&D people, is it really outside the realm of belief that some of that will be used for certain tests? There are also programs where DHS provides assistance to equip state and local agencies. Maybe it's part of some other odd thing, like some foreign partnership deal. Honestly I don't know where exactly each round is going, what I know is that there are a lot of possible explanations and nothing to indicate that this is something to get wrapped around the axle over.
So then at BEST its a gross misuse of funds. At worst they are preparing for something to go down. You still haven't addressed why they need such a huge increase over previous orders.
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More gun grab news
So "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" means if a hurricane comes around we can grab your guns and force you to evacuate? Hmm... something wrong there...
Local police, not federal as you suggested. This isn't FEMA or DHS going around taking your guns.
Don't get me wrong, it's still ****ed up. It is absolutely wrong and a violation of their rights and I hope someone sued over that, but it's not some Big Brother conspiracy. That's New Orleans being jacked up, as usual.
The only thing FEMA did was say they didn't want guns in their trailer parks, which they can do. It's not the same as coming to your house and taking your guns. I don't agree with it, but it's no more a conspiracy than if Applebees says they won't allow you to carry your shotgun into their establishment even if the state allows open carry.
So a company or government department can violate the constitution? So what happens when the Federal Reserve cashes in on all those houses they own the mortgages to (they have been buying the toxic housing derivatives for years now)? That's a scary thought. Same thing with all of these internet advertising and software companies sharing all of their info on users with the government.
By that logic the Government can declare imminent domain take your house and land and then make you a slave because they set the rules...
Oh what do you know...The FEMA action follows the successful lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court in Baton Rouge by SAF to prevent the City of New Orleans and nearby parishes from confiscating firearms and forcing the return of those already taken from Hurricane Katrina victims.
Yep they screwed up and I doubt that will be happening anymore. Like I said, jacked up, but it was ruled that they were wrong. It's not indicative of some evil conspiracy. Also, this instance of confiscating guns isn't the same as what you implied. The way you framed it implied that this was some nationwide event going on to disarm the entire population and that clearly is not the case.
You are right. It wasn't FEMA it was the military action on the part of FEMA:
We haven't seen this yet, doesn't mean it can't happen. I mean they passed the NDAA and block any attempt to explicitly exempt U.S. citizens. If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't fight it so hard would they?
No they didn't. The NDAA specifically exempts US citizens, US legal residents, and anyone caught on US soil. Which is actually MORE restrictive than the international laws of war, under which the President could already indefinitely detain enemies during war and citizenship played no part in it.
This still doesn't answer the question of why they are blocking it. If it already says that wouldn't this not have been opposed? How about the court cases that were filed and then Obama's judges overruled.
What speculation? I haven't speculated anything. I've presented fact. Refute the facts. Its a simple process...
"it's really suspicious"..."they must be planning something"...these are speculations and not facts.
Things can actually be suspicious and people and governments plan things all of the time. Sometimes its bad sometimes its good. I mean we trust known liers to make the right decisions...
But any way, Ive FINALLY figured it out.
You're all nuts, bat-**** crazy, the whole lot of you!!
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Barbed Wire
Nuff said.
Notice, if you will, that the barbs don't face a particular direction. The fence is set up a certain way but the barbed wire isn't. Seems to me it's mostly a case of bad presentation. Like, don't say barbed wire when you mean fence (not you, you - the other, general you). ;)
My main problem is that they significantly increased their purchases over previous quarters and years...
Ok, that's fair. There's many possible explanations for this, though. Two wars may have depleted the stockpile and they're attempting to recoup. Could be that they had some extra money left in the budget and needed to dump it to hopefully avoid a decrease in the next one and they chose ammo cuz, well, you can never have too much. I mean, there's a lot of valid, sensible potential answers here.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
What? No, it doesn't assume anything. Because whether you are dealing with military personnel or not, SSN is the easiest and currently the best way to process everyone. It still boggles my mind that you are more ok with the government taking everyone's DNA than using SSN to process people.
It says one point something billion which is a huge increase over previous years. Then it talks about specific departments getting several million each. Departments that shouldn't even have armed people like the social security administration.
No, it doesn't say how many the other departments are getting. And why shouldn't they have armed people? If there is a need for security personnel, and if you want those personnel to be armed, then yeah there is a need for guns and therefore ammo.
Yes, but the amounts are not trivial. They are a great increase over previous years.
So what? Maybe they are starting a new R&D project. Maybe they increased the number of armed personnel. Maybe they found that proficiency was lacking and their previous projections were not enough. There are tons of possibilities that don't involve some nefarious plot that doesn't even make any sense.
Its a messed up world when the Department of Education needs tons of bullets. Same for the SSA, unless they are going to solve the SS problem that's brewing...
Yeah, we all know in a perfect world no one would need guns or ammo. We also know we don't live in a perfect world. So what's your point?
So then at BEST its a gross misuse of funds. At worst they are preparing for something to go down. You still haven't addressed why they need such a huge increase over previous orders.
How is it a gross misuse of funds when you don't know what it is being used for? At worst, well your "worst" doesn't even pass the common sense test.
So a company or government department can violate the constitution?
I never said that. I already said police confiscating weapons was ****ed up.
So what happens when the Federal Reserve cashes in on all those houses they own the mortgages to (they have been buying the toxic housing derivatives for years now)?
What are you talking about? Cashing in? How? I don't think you understand how the system works.
That's a scary thought. Same thing with all of these internet advertising and software companies sharing all of their info on users with the government.
We've had this discussion before. First of all, while I'm sure some companies do, some of the "proof" out there is a bit sketchy. Second, you agree to the terms of use. Third, you have the option not to use certain sites or software. Fourth, a lot of what people are putting on the internet is available for everyone to see anyway. Fifth, so ****ing what?
By that logic the Government can declare imminent domain take your house and land and then make you a slave because they set the rules...
Um...no that's not how it works.
This still doesn't answer the question of why they are blocking it. If it already says that wouldn't this not have been opposed? How about the court cases that were filed and then Obama's judges overruled.
Read the court's ruling. There were two key points to it. First, the court heard the case because it agreed that the plaintiffs had a reasonable fear. Note that their fear is based on their perception of the law, which was driven by media that has become horrible at doing any independent fact-checking. Second, the court ruled that barring that provision of the NDAA wouldn't actually hurt the government's ability to conduct its duties because of the government's own (and correct) argument that the NDAA wasn't a significant change from what was already allowed.
Things can actually be suspicious and people and governments plan things all of the time. Sometimes its bad sometimes its good. I mean we trust known liers to make the right decisions...
How many times have you or Alex Jones claimed of some sort of imminent danger? I believe I read one that was claiming they were getting ready for martial law after the elections. Where is it? Where is the danger, the plots, rounding up dissidents, all the stuff that has been circulating for years?
I agree that it can be ok to be suspicious, hell I'm suspicious. You are paranoid. They are not the same thing. You and other conspiracy theorists are so busy jumping at shadows that you are going to completely miss the stuff that is actually going on.
Notice, if you will, that the barbs don't face a particular direction. The fence is set up a certain way but the barbed wire isn't. Seems to me it's mostly a case of bad presentation. Like, don't say barbed wire when you mean fence (not you, you - the other, general you). ;)
And like I pointed out earlier, it's not uncommon to have the fences facing both ways. Also, the military, especially when setting up a temporary camp, likes to use rolls of concertina wire, which are also going to interdict both ways.
Ok, that's fair. There's many possible explanations for this, though. Two wars may have depleted the stockpile and they're attempting to recoup. Could be that they had some extra money left in the budget and needed to dump it to hopefully avoid a decrease in the next one and they chose ammo cuz, well, you can never have too much. I mean, there's a lot of valid, sensible potential answers here.
I'm glad you brought that up, I forgot about the budget thing. Yeah, sad fact is that our government's budget system encourages wasteful spending. Because for a lot of organizations, if you don't spend it one year, you lose it the next year. I've seen organizations spend it on a lot dumber stuff than more bullets.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Yep, don't want to do the work to prove your point, so you make a joke.
I was talking about being used on people other than military personnel. Of course the book is FOR military personnel...
Barbed Wire
Nuff said.
Notice, if you will, that the barbs don't face a particular direction. The fence is set up a certain way but the barbed wire isn't. Seems to me it's mostly a case of bad presentation. Like, don't say barbed wire when you mean fence (not you, you - the other, general you). ;)My main problem is that they significantly increased their purchases over previous quarters and years...
Ok, that's fair. There's many possible explanations for this, though. Two wars may have depleted the stockpile and they're attempting to recoup. Could be that they had some extra money left in the budget and needed to dump it to hopefully avoid a decrease in the next one and they chose ammo cuz, well, you can never have too much. I mean, there's a lot of valid, sensible potential answers here.
I don't remember a war that the Department of Homeland Security or the Social Security Administration were involved in. Maybe I missed a few. There was that Occupy Walmart or Wall-Street or whatever it was...
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Yep, don't want to do the work to prove your point, so you make a joke.
I was talking about being used on people other than military personnel. Of course the book is FOR military personnel...
Your logic is flawed.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Yep, don't want to do the work to prove your point, so you make a joke.
I was talking about being used on people other than military personnel. Of course the book is FOR military personnel...
Your logis is flawed.
What? Are they wacking people over the head with the books then?
What? Are they wacking people over the head with the books then?
It appears you got re-educated more than once.
This all assumes that it is limited to military personnel. Please show me the part of the training manual that limits it to military personnel.
Yeah, BN. Just because its a military training manual doesn't mean that elementary school lunch ladies aren't being trained with it. Where does it say tht elementary school lunch ladies should not be trained in this manner, huh? Where? I demand answers! What page is the full list of people excluded from trainng with this manual?
Yep, don't want to do the work to prove your point, so you make a joke.
I was talking about being used on people other than military personnel. Of course the book is FOR military personnel...
Well feel free to answer my response to this, as well as the rest of my post...