Proof that the Shadow Government exists!

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#1

jetshield

Jun 12, 2011 12:08:04
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Why else would you need a "shadow" internet?
#2

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 12, 2011 12:10:05
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Why else would you need a "shadow" internet?


Because people want to see shadow puppet pr0n.
#3

bone_naga

Jun 12, 2011 12:11:31
Interesting, although wouldn't these oppressive governments just locate the source of the signal and destroy it?
#4

Cpt_Micha

Jun 12, 2011 14:02:06
I'm guessing, that the theory is to have so many of these little hotspots set up in an oppressed country, that getting them all would be simply impossible
#5

jesse.two.coins

Jun 12, 2011 14:09:38
I named my wifi "prettyfly4aWIFI"
#6

EscherEnigma

Jun 12, 2011 14:33:40
Interesting, although wouldn't these oppressive governments just locate the source of the signal and destroy it?


... why am I suddenly inclined to shout "Hack the planet!" and "You can't stop the signal!"
#7

Qube

Jun 12, 2011 15:09:32
Why do i think 4chan and child porn and spamspamspam ?

Seriously. an unrestricted/not-gov controlled internet? Who's brilliant idea was that?
#8

jesse.two.coins

Jun 12, 2011 15:18:17
Why do i think 4chan and child porn and spamspamspam ?

Seriously. an unrestricted/not-gov controlled internet? Who's brilliant idea was that?


oh yeah if someone purchases me the chandroid app I'll mail them 5 dollars
#9

EscherEnigma

Jun 12, 2011 16:04:32
Seriously. an unrestricted/not-gov controlled internet? Who's brilliant idea was that?


... you do know that the internet largely is unrestricted and not controlled by any government?  That most attempts to do otherwise fail misreably because the technology involved simply won't allow it for any amount of time?  It's basically one giant massively connected graph... it's nearly impossible to isolate a single node, especially when you have very little control over nodes and connections being added, removed, moved...

And you also know that this is by design, right?  That a large part of the original internet back in the 80s was that in case of invasion/attack/whatever military bases would be able to stay connected, even if important nodes went offline, right? 
#10

Qube

Jun 12, 2011 16:59:32
Seriously. an unrestricted/not-gov controlled internet? Who's brilliant idea was that?


... you do know that the internet largely is unrestricted and not controlled by any government? ...  It's basically one giant massively connected graph... it's nearly impossible to isolate a single node, especially when you have very little control over nodes and connections being added, removed, moved...

And you also know that this is by design, right?  That a large part of the original internet back in the 80s was that in case of invasion/attack/whatever military bases would be able to stay connected, even if important nodes went offline, right? 

having a masters in software engineering, I did know that.
the core design of the internet is actually pretty weak against hostile intents.

(1) internet is very easely restrictable and controllable: into splinternets.

Splinternet is a term used to describe a splintering and division of the internet due to various factors, including technology, politics, and nationalism. "Powerful forces are threatening to balkanise it," writes the Economist weekly, and it may soon splinter along geographical and commercial boundaries. Countries such as China have erected what is termed a "Great Firewall," for political reasons, while other nations, such as Australia, plan to create a similar firewall to block child pornography or weapons-making instructions

(2) what do you thing would happen if I were to change the DNS server, saying the adress of www.google,com is actually [adress of porn site].

(3) tell an important router that the connection to google is down, and instead use this connection:[adress of porn site].

#11

EscherEnigma

Jun 12, 2011 17:28:07
So I just want this clear... you think that the research scientists in the 80s that first started putting together what would later become the internet were crazy for not making it easier to control.  Even though they had no reason to think it would ever be necessary or desirable to do so.

Nifty.

As for the rest... you say it's pretty weak and it's so easy, but that really doesn't bear out in reality where we see the internet is pretty robust and redundant, that attacks against the internet at large generally don't amount to anything, and that countries such as China have to fight hard to keep their walls.  You can attack individual parts, yes, as the attacks on Sony or the Westboro Baptists site show.  If you go after the physical hubs you can take large swaths of it offline, as we saw in Egypt.

But you're smoking some impressive stuff if you think anyone is going to take Google offline.
#12

Jharii

Jun 12, 2011 17:34:36
I named my wifi "prettyfly4aWIFI"

That's actually damn clever.  

#13

calronmoonflower

Jun 12, 2011 20:09:52
"The internet perceives censorship as damage and routes around it."
#14

lokiare

Jun 12, 2011 20:19:46
The problem is that once a law is passed to block certain sites or access from certain countries, all of the people that run the servers in this country have the ability to then block the sites and access. So yeah, its not that hard...
#15

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 12, 2011 22:00:23
Seriously. an unrestricted/not-gov controlled internet? Who's brilliant idea was that?


... you do know that the internet largely is unrestricted and not controlled by any government? ...  It's basically one giant massively connected graph... it's nearly impossible to isolate a single node, especially when you have very little control over nodes and connections being added, removed, moved...

And you also know that this is by design, right?  That a large part of the original internet back in the 80s was that in case of invasion/attack/whatever military bases would be able to stay connected, even if important nodes went offline, right? 

having a masters in software engineering, I did know that.
the core design of the internet is actually pretty weak against hostile intents.

(1) internet is very easely restrictable and controllable: into splinternets.

Splinternet is a term used to describe a splintering and division of the internet due to various factors, including technology, politics, and nationalism. "Powerful forces are threatening to balkanise it," writes the Economist weekly, and it may soon splinter along geographical and commercial boundaries. Countries such as China have erected what is termed a "Great Firewall," for political reasons, while other nations, such as Australia, plan to create a similar firewall to block child pornography or weapons-making instructions

(2) what do you thing would happen if I were to change the DNS server, saying the adress of www.google,com is actually [adress of porn site].

(3) tell an important router that the connection to google is down, and instead use this connection:[adress of porn site].



I'd like to see you do it.
#16

EscherEnigma

Jun 12, 2011 23:00:05
The problem is that once a law is passed to block certain sites or access from certain countries, all of the people that run the servers in this country have the ability to then block the sites and access. So yeah, its not that hard...


... the problem is that they would have to block all outside countries or people would get around it, and that any such law would get an injunction against it going into effect until the lawsuits finished and the Supreme Court would say "yeah, congress is full of idiots" and strike it down.