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#1
jetshield
Apr 16, 2012 20:42:13 Diesel vs Gasoline (cars, not trucks)

Go!
#2
sfdragon
Apr 16, 2012 21:41:11 diesel lets see he likes to drive real fast muscle cars and gasoline doesnt do nothing cant even act
#3
sfdragon
Apr 16, 2012 22:41:57 no zuch thing az ze zmart car
#4
The_Silversword
Apr 17, 2012 1:48:24 For cars? gasoline all the way, i mean between the two, idealy cars would run on fairy dust or something.

I dunno, i hear people say diesel burns cleaner or some nonsense, but economically i think gasoline is youre best bet, youd end up paying more for diesel. I hear some people say diesels more effecient or whatever, but i know a few guys at work that use diesel and theyre all the time complaining how much they spend at the pump, admitedly these are trucks so maybe a smaller car would get better mileage, but i still dont see it being worth it.
#5
Cpt_Micha
Apr 17, 2012 6:48:05 Diesel. Try Almost Double the MPG count of a gasoline car in some applications.

The prices aren't Double the difference for diesel vs gasoline.

Diesel engines are also capable of getting much more ponies and (more importantly) torque than a given gasoline engine while maintaining efficiency.

Even diesel powered trucks, can get much better horse power and mpgs. (Think 30 mpg while having 500+ horse power... in a several tonned vehicle.. now imagine that same engine, in a much smaller vehicle... you'd have 40-50mpgs and 500 ponies easily) Most diesel trucks are like cars they are severely detuned to "maximise engine life" (only now that 150 ponies or so they leave on the table don't actually increase engine life). Really it's so billy bob doesn't wrap his truck around a tree cause he has 500 ponies, and 800+lbs of torque. the detune process gimps HP and MPG.

The record mpgs for a car right now off a production line is held by a 2010 Jetta Turbo Diesel at 58. Yeah, Hybrids brag about 40. Eighteen MPG difference there. Diesel right now is averaging 3.84 a gallon. That's less than I'm paying for gasoline.

So yeah diesel? It's a no brainer.
#6
zombie_babies
Apr 17, 2012 8:03:20 Turbo diesel engines are powerful and can manage some damned fine MPG results, too. But it all depends. If the vehicle you're lookin' at doesn't get any better MPG than a comparably priced gasoline model, it's stupid to go diesel cuz you will have to spend more to fill it up. So check mileage. Other than that, diesels are also pretty well known for really, really long lifespans. And they can also be converted to run on other stuff like biodiesel - which is cheap, something you can make at home, makes the same or better power than Big Oil produced stuff and is better for the environment. Their only real knocks are that they weigh more than gasoline versions, aren't all that great at rapid accelleration and can require any repairs be done at a shop that specializes in diesel repair - oh, and initial cost is usually more, too.
#7
ADHadh
Apr 18, 2012 6:49:40 Weren't diesel engines the ones that have a hard time handling winter? Tough it's probably mostly the old ones.
#8
zombie_babies
Apr 18, 2012 8:29:14 Considering every truck line uses diesel to deliver everything from furniture to food to - yes - diesel, I don't think it's much of an issue today.
#9
Cpt_Micha
Apr 18, 2012 9:01:06 The kind of cold we're talking to make a diesel have trouble will likely give your car problems too. (like 50 below 0 Farenheight or worse)

They run freight in Alaska pretty much soley on diesel trucks. I don't think cold is that much of an issue.
#10
ADHadh
Apr 18, 2012 11:56:05 Ah, ok then, good to know. Most what I know about cars is how to drive one.
#11
Cpt_Micha
Apr 18, 2012 19:14:47 With my automotive enthusiasm, I'm amazed that knowledge hasn't been seeping in, by proxy over the last few years :-p

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 jetshield Apr 16, 2012 20:42:13	Diesel vs Gasoline (cars, not trucks) Go!
#2 sfdragon Apr 16, 2012 21:41:11	diesel lets see he likes to drive real fast muscle cars and gasoline doesnt do nothing cant even act
#3 sfdragon Apr 16, 2012 22:41:57	no zuch thing az ze zmart car
#4 The_Silversword Apr 17, 2012 1:48:24	For cars? gasoline all the way, i mean between the two, idealy cars would run on fairy dust or something. I dunno, i hear people say diesel burns cleaner or some nonsense, but economically i think gasoline is youre best bet, youd end up paying more for diesel. I hear some people say diesels more effecient or whatever, but i know a few guys at work that use diesel and theyre all the time complaining how much they spend at the pump, admitedly these are trucks so maybe a smaller car would get better mileage, but i still dont see it being worth it.
#5 Cpt_Micha Apr 17, 2012 6:48:05	Diesel. Try Almost Double the MPG count of a gasoline car in some applications. The prices aren't Double the difference for diesel vs gasoline. Diesel engines are also capable of getting much more ponies and (more importantly) torque than a given gasoline engine while maintaining efficiency. Even diesel powered trucks, can get much better horse power and mpgs. (Think 30 mpg while having 500+ horse power... in a several tonned vehicle.. now imagine that same engine, in a much smaller vehicle... you'd have 40-50mpgs and 500 ponies easily) Most diesel trucks are like cars they are severely detuned to "maximise engine life" (only now that 150 ponies or so they leave on the table don't actually increase engine life). Really it's so billy bob doesn't wrap his truck around a tree cause he has 500 ponies, and 800+lbs of torque. the detune process gimps HP and MPG. The record mpgs for a car right now off a production line is held by a 2010 Jetta Turbo Diesel at 58. Yeah, Hybrids brag about 40. Eighteen MPG difference there. Diesel right now is averaging 3.84 a gallon. That's less than I'm paying for gasoline. So yeah diesel? It's a no brainer.
#6 zombie_babies Apr 17, 2012 8:03:20	Turbo diesel engines are powerful and can manage some damned fine MPG results, too. But it all depends. If the vehicle you're lookin' at doesn't get any better MPG than a comparably priced gasoline model, it's stupid to go diesel cuz you will have to spend more to fill it up. So check mileage. Other than that, diesels are also pretty well known for really, really long lifespans. And they can also be converted to run on other stuff like biodiesel - which is cheap, something you can make at home, makes the same or better power than Big Oil produced stuff and is better for the environment. Their only real knocks are that they weigh more than gasoline versions, aren't all that great at rapid accelleration and can require any repairs be done at a shop that specializes in diesel repair - oh, and initial cost is usually more, too.
#7 ADHadh Apr 18, 2012 6:49:40	Weren't diesel engines the ones that have a hard time handling winter? Tough it's probably mostly the old ones.
#8 zombie_babies Apr 18, 2012 8:29:14	Considering every truck line uses diesel to deliver everything from furniture to food to - yes - diesel, I don't think it's much of an issue today.
#9 Cpt_Micha Apr 18, 2012 9:01:06	The kind of cold we're talking to make a diesel have trouble will likely give your car problems too. (like 50 below 0 Farenheight or worse) They run freight in Alaska pretty much soley on diesel trucks. I don't think cold is that much of an issue.
#10 ADHadh Apr 18, 2012 11:56:05	Ah, ok then, good to know. Most what I know about cars is how to drive one.
#11 Cpt_Micha Apr 18, 2012 19:14:47	With my automotive enthusiasm, I'm amazed that knowledge hasn't been seeping in, by proxy over the last few years :-p