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| #1rakeFeb 11, 2009 10:12:34 | Okay, it's a weird one. I tried and tried to think of someone thematically-appropriate that Jack could (fairly) fight. Not a lot to it, who would win? Unfortunately, I think this amounts to: Jack lights on fire, Monster runs away. What's the 'smartest' version of the Monster? Let's use that. Fight takes place in a neutral area. Frankenstein's Monster is a bit of a scaredy-cat, but Jack doesn't have a fraction of the Monster's strength. I don't see The Monster landing a lot of blows on the agile Pumpkin King, though. On the other hand, one grab and that might be all she wrote for Jack. And go! |
| #2ArmisaelFeb 11, 2009 10:18:56 | Jack wins, hands down. Adam is good, but he is nowhere near the level of the Pumpkin King. |
| #3Dark_StrykeFeb 11, 2009 11:33:44 | Not gonna go in depth, but I'm handing this one to the Pumpkin King. |
| #4rakeFeb 11, 2009 11:41:43 | Not gonna go in depth, but I'm handing this one to the Pumpkin King. I agree, but how do you envision him scoring the win? Jack isn't even close to strong enough to physically put the Monster down. Frankenstein's Monster is damn tough. Fire? |
| #5ArmisaelFeb 11, 2009 11:47:36 | Demolish something on him or similar, I'd think. Basically, just keeping away from him while hitting him with some part of the environment that is big and dangerous. |
| #6oxybeFeb 11, 2009 12:38:36 | Jack is hardly a fighter, but he's smart, agile and cunning. he's practically the embodiment of fear itself also, able to quickly create scenarios to terrify and scare. frankenstein's monster is big, slow & strong but is still a developing mind and he's frightened of the things around him as he does not understand them. what would happen is jack would quickly realize that the monster is afraid of his environment and focus on that, especially it's fear of rejection. he'll probably lead the monster by the nose to some secluded area (like a construction site). at that point it's just a matter of "dropping a ton of steel on it" (where a ton of steel can be replaced with any large object that should kill the monster). |
| #7rakeFeb 11, 2009 12:44:38 | Yeah, this is a bit of a wash, isn't it. Who the heck do you put up against Jack, then? Hmmmm... |
| #8rakeFeb 11, 2009 12:46:09 | Yeah, this is a bit of a wash, isn't it. Who the heck do you put up against Jack, then? Hmmmm...You're right in that Jack isn't a fighter, but he's so cool to watch in action, and he is clever, fast, and fearsome. There has to be a good match-up here. |
| #9rakeFeb 11, 2009 12:46:40 | ...Sweeny Todd? : / |
| #10rakeFeb 11, 2009 13:04:01 | I've got it!!! BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER! Buffy slays all kinds of undead, but could she defeat the Pumpkin King? |
| #11space_dragonFeb 11, 2009 13:49:40 | Has anyone here actually read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein? Frankenstein's monster is a super-genius. He mastered three languages over the span of a few months, just by eavesdropping on people. He was able to outsmart various police forces, teach himself to use firearms adeptly, and track Victor Frankenstein across the European continent. He's also extremely fast and agile. There are several points in the book where he dramatically flings himself off cliffs, only to catch himself on an outcropping a few dozen feet down and scamper away along the cliff face like a monkey. Let's also not forget the scene where Frankenstein is trying to shoot him, and the monster drops to the ground, rolls away in a zig-zag pattern to dodge the bullets, and then sinks into the nearby lake, swimming away before anyone can give chase. This is all, of course, in addition to the strength and endurance that others have already pointed out. Basically, the monster is a perfect, paragon human in all ways besides being ugly. I'm not saying Skelington loses, necessarily, but if he wins, it will be only after a very long and strenuous battle, and possibly after losing some people who are dear to him (the monster's MO includes going after his enemy's loved ones). We all know Jack values his friends above all else...this could be interesting. |
| #12ArmisaelFeb 11, 2009 14:06:55 | If Adam decides to go after Jack's friends...well, there won't be enough of him left to fill a teaspoon. Sure, he's clever and tough, but Jack's flat out magical. He doesn't have punch, but he has Adam beat on everything else. |
| #13rakeFeb 11, 2009 14:12:05 | If Adam decides to go after Jack's friends...well, there won't be enough of him left to fill a teaspoon. Sure, he's clever and tough, but Jack's flat out magical. He doesn't have punch, but he has Adam beat on everything else. I must confess to never having read the books. I was thinking in terms of the classic film. Agile or not, though, I don't think anyone moves like Jack. Skellington's victory would have to be environmental, though. Since Jack has demonstrated an immunity to fire, I think that'd be his weapon of choice. It'd take him a little while to learn that the Monster fears it, and why, but I think he would. Some of Jack's theatrics are very pyrotechnic in nature. |
| #14space_dragonFeb 11, 2009 14:14:59 | It'd take him a little while to learn that the Monster fears it, and why Um...he doesn't. Not that I recall, anyway. Armisael can correct me if I'm wrong. |
| #15ArmisaelFeb 11, 2009 14:15:59 | Now that I think about it...there IS someone who moves like Jack. Ladies and gentlemen! On this corner: The Pumpkin King, The Skeleton in the closet...Jack Skellington! And on the other corner: The Crazy Inside, Chaos incarnate...The Mask! Would be a hell of a match. The Mask moves pretty similarly to Jack, too! |
| #16ArmisaelFeb 11, 2009 14:17:03 | Um...he doesn't. Not that I recall, anyway. Armisael can correct me if I'm wrong. Pretty sure Adam isn't scared of fire. Well...as much as any of us. He can take damage from fire, but so can he from anything else that would harm a human. He's just affected a lot less. |
| #17rakeFeb 11, 2009 14:18:31 | Now that I think about it...there IS someone who moves like Jack. That would be a good match. I'll have to use the Mask in a match tomorrow. I think I've got just the fella, too... (I promised no more today). |
| #18space_dragonFeb 11, 2009 14:18:54 | Now that I think about it...there IS someone who moves like Jack. Start this thread! Also, my preemptive vote is for The Mask, due to the extent of his reality-warping powers. Skellington has magic too, but its much more limited. |
| #19ArmisaelFeb 11, 2009 14:21:33 | I'll let Rake do the honors. He's the Official Board Character ManagerTM. Plus, he seems to have a cunning plan. With that said, I AM planning a few versus threads. It's just that I have to find the right matches. |
| #20rakeFeb 11, 2009 14:21:40 | Start this thread! It would be a fun match, but the Mask would take it home, no contest. You'd have to have the Mask face off against someone pretty hardcore. Jack is serious business, but the power level in Halloween Town is low by comparison to that of just about any comic-book universe. |
| #21ArmisaelFeb 11, 2009 14:23:09 | That's true. I think a good match for The Mask would be Bugs Bunny or another cartoon character. They'd both have more or less the same powers, after all. |
| #22m-barkFeb 11, 2009 14:46:33 | Has anyone here actually read Mary Shelley's Frankenstein? This. Adam was like anything a man could ever realistically be. Plus undead. (Sort of.) |