GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But damn, Vick was pretty good yesterday. It was just the Lions, but still. Best looked good, too. Odd game. It's a pretty odd season so far, IMO. Oh, and it looks like Favre may finally be done. Wonder how long before they try to pull him again. What'd he toss yesterday? Like 3 picks? Sheesh ... he could play for the Browns with a game like that.
I am also a fan of Vick. Not only do I strongly dislike Kolb (primarily because I like McNabb), but he looked horrible. But Andy Reid said he's the starter if he's back. Stupid Kolb. Speaking of McNabb, the Redskins look good although they lost in a horrible way yesterday.
But it looks like it'll be an interesting season. Yay football! =)
*sigh*
Another 8-8 year ahead of us me thinks.
Tampa looks ALOT better than they did last year though and it was a conference game. I'm amazed Tampa came so far over the off season.
and Favre, give him a few games he might get back into it. He did skip training after all.
Though that score, IMO, was crazy. Let's try to work on that defense, huh guys?
The Falcons rebounded after losing to the Steelers in OT by crushing the Cardinals (43-7 or something like that). So the reports of Matt Ryan's demise were greatly exaggerated, although Turner was out with some injury.
I am also a fan of Vick. Not only do I strongly dislike Kolb (primarily because I like McNabb), but he looked horrible. But Andy Reid said he's the starter if he's back. Stupid Kolb. Speaking of McNabb, the Redskins look good although they lost in a horrible way yesterday.
But it looks like it'll be an interesting season. Yay football! =)
IIRC, Turner hurt his groin. But yeah, I was in no way terrified for the Falcons after that first game. They should be ok.
And I have no idea what the hell Reid is thinking with the whole Kolb thing. I mean, Vick was effective in both games and Kolb, well, he wasn't effective in the one he managed to play in.
And the season does look like it'll be interesting. Well, unless you're a Browns fan. ;)
And with Andy Reid, I just don't know. Its hard to argue with his creditials since the Eagles have been so good under his command. But it just seems like he just does things to spite people or prove that his way is right. And the whole never running the ball thing...
Hey, didn't the Brown almost win their first two games? And their opponents are a combined 4-0, so that's something, right?
I don't know what to think of the Steelers, to be honest. It's like they're unkillable. After last year, I'd not have pegged 'em at 2-0 with Big Ben. And now they're down to 4th string at QB and they still did it. I just don't know what to think. The defense is playing out of its ****in' mind, but who knows if they can keep killing themselves like that all the way to the end of the year? And, it's possible they'll relax and, therefore, regress when Ben does come back. But yeah, wow. Then again, Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the league. Hands down, no question about it.
I think you nailed it with Reid. He doesn't really seem like a stubborn hardass when you look at him, but he sure as hell acts like one. It's like he'll start Kolb just to stick his finger in the eye of every Philly fan that told him Vick was better from the start. He won't let you be right and he damn sure doesn't have to - even though you are. That kinda thing. Oh well, I hope Vick gets to start. He's brought some fun back to the game, IMO. Guys that play like that are always a good thing.
Other QB notes:
-Jimmy Claussen is going to start instead of Matt Moore.
-Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to start instead of Trent Edwards.
-There's no decision on who's starting in Oakland.
Who dat now, douchebags?
It also works out well since we'll be able to watch the Faclons crush his 49ers at 1.
GO RAVENS !!!!!!
RAVENS 13-10 as long as we can keep Troy P out of the endzone!
As an avid Ravens fan, I am very much looking forward to watching the best rivalry game in the NFL play out this Sunday.
GO RAVENS !!!!!!RAVENS 13-10 as long as we can keep Troy P out of the endzone!
BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
My brother and I went to the Giants game yesterday and the only word to describe it was ugly. There was basically no offense the first half (none at all for Chicago) and it was more due to bad play than good defense (although the Giants defense played really well). Although it was annoying because the people next to us kept complaining that the Giants were so boring. Not necessarily that they were ineffective, but that they were boring and ran too much. They complained after a rushing play which netted something decent like 5 yards. They even complained on short passes. Idiot fans like that deserve to be beaten.
I was also happy that Donovan and the Redskins beat the Eagles. Although I was quite surprised that the fans gave him a standing ovation.
Sucks Vick got hurt. Oh well.
The Buckeyes looked like crap and still won. I don't know why they always do that - have no heart in games like that. I mean, it was the first Big 10 game of the year, you'd think they'd have been motivated. Nope. At least it only took 'em most of the game to decide to pull Saine and let Boom have a few carries. When they did, lo and behold, we had a running game that didn't center solely on number 2 all of a sudden. And Pryor banged up his leg again. Yay. Oh well, Indiana next week. They're somehow 3-1, though, and put up record offensive numbers against Michigan last week. I mean, that's not hard to do cuz Michigan doesn't have a D, but still - it's Indifreakinana. Meh.
STOOPID STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you look at that. We neutralized the pass rush, kept the ball away from the hairball and pulled out the win.
STOOPID STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you look at that. We neutralized the pass rush, kept the ball away from the hairball and pulled out the win.
Yeah... without Ben though.
3-1 without Ben is pretty dang good IMHO...
My Niners can't seem to win any games.
The Niners are a much better team than their record would imply. But I'm glad they didn't show it against my Dirty Birds =) At least your division is bad enough that they still have a realistic chance of winning it.
Vikings had a bye so I watched "The Blind Side". Good movie. Wife cried, I laughed, a good time was had by all.
That was a good movie. Not sure if Bullock was best actress worthy, but definately a good movie.
I'm not entirely sure why they would do that, but whatever, I hate them Pats.
"Some of you look like you'd have trouble pulling up your own diaper, let alone catching a long ball, in double coverage!"
EDIT: It's a win if Randy decides to play.
At the very least, the Vikings won't have to play like a one dimensional team. Peterson can put up a record season but if everyone just protects against the run, the chance at play offs is way way off.
In other news, Deadspin apparently has the Favre pics. They also have some MySpace messages and some pretty embarrassing voice mails. I haven't seen the pics and can't check right now, but I did hear a vm and it was ... sad. Like, he's got no game. Then again, I'm not totally sure it sounded like him 100% but who knows. Anyhoo, there's stuff about him having a friend pass his number to her and lame stuff like that. It's all pretty high school. Well, except for the **** pics - though I guess that does happen these days. But yeah, from what I hear there's a reason he wears number four. Cuz, you know, he's apparently pretty small. In the pants. Small in the pants. Heh. So far he's just done the 'no comment' thing but we'll see where this goes.
This Sunday doesn't seem too great for football, or maybe I'm more interested in baseball right now. But I'll definately be more into baseball this weekend.
The defense has looked pretty ok, though. Oh wait, the birds got Matty Ice and he can, you know, throw the ball. Just have him throw to whoever Eric Wright is 'covering' and it'll be 20 yards or a TD every throw.
will this season just end already?
I want John Fox's head.
And I want whoever is in charge of signing players fired too.
Guys you aren't going to find another Steve Smith. stop getting unknown nobodies.
Oh, and Cleveland is going to Face Trounce Us.
Cleveland was actually not so bad. They were competitive and actually had a lead... that is until Atlanta hurt Seneca Wallace. Then Jake Delhomme came in and it was over. But Cleveland was pretty decent on defense and the game was pretty close.
Yeah, they're surprisingly unterrible. Well, they're terrible but not as terrible as everyone thought they'd be. Kinda ok, I guess. I didn't get to watch but I did get to listen a li'l. Once Wallace went out I stopped payin' too much attention. ;)
But why wouldn't they just put in whatever 3rd stringer you have? He can't be worse and it'd be good to see what he can do, right?
I'd take anyone over him. I think he's gone senile.
Like I don't watch many Panthers games, but his teams kind of suck. They have no quarterback and only one wide reciever. They have a good running game, but apparently their defense is not very good. I think its kind of hard to blame Fox when there's not a lot of talent. They probably should can the GM (if Fox is also the GM, then I take back my defense of him), but typically that means a next coach anyway.
But again, I don't know much about the Panthers.
I honestly don't know what Fox did. But I think the general impression is that Carolina will get rid of Fox (even though they consider him a good coach) just to have a change. And people generally believe Fox will get offers relatively quickly.
Like I don't watch many Panthers games, but his teams kind of suck. They have no quarterback and only one wide reciever. They have a good running game, but apparently their defense is not very good. I think its kind of hard to blame Fox when there's not a lot of talent. They probably should can the GM (if Fox is also the GM, then I take back my defense of him), but typically that means a next coach anyway.
But again, I don't know much about the Panthers.
Actually we have a pretty good D overall. But they spend the whole game on the field. It's hard to not look bad when you've spent the entire game on the field.
we're the masters of the 3 and out.
Fox and co pretty much said "we don't want anyone that's old" and fired the existing players pretty much. Anyone like 33 and up is gone (kasey aside) which were our best guys.
I can understand wanting to bring in new talent but you do so gradually... and you make sure they are talented first. This was a Suicide move.
It's going to be a good long while before the ship is righted over here.
Fox enjoys the "He took us to the SB"luxury feeling even now. But it's wearing thin especially as he rotates his QBs out so often that they can't get a rhythm going. He wanted to make a Passing Team... problem is he isn't a Passing Coach. never was nor will be. He just doesn't understand the dynamics involved.
Yeah, that actually makes sense. There's no reason to throw him out there and possible hurt him long term.
Yep, 'specially when you're not even gonna make the playoffs. Take the season as an extended practice and things will be better, IMO.
Actually we have a pretty good D overall. But they spend the whole game on the field. It's hard to not look bad when you've spent the entire game on the field.
we're the masters of the 3 and out.
This is exactly why the Browns look better this year. The D isn't as awful (aside from the secondary) as it appeared. The fact that the offense can move the ball more than rarely allows them to get more rest and look better. As the offense fades down the stretch in games, so goes the D. It's happened several times this year. In the only win, they were able to run late. That kept the D off and rested until they were needed. It's a working formula.
Grrrr.....
Yep, 'specially when you're not even gonna make the playoffs. Take the season as an extended practice and things will be better, IMO.
I read somewhere that they were going to start Colt McCoy. I'm sure he'll be able to handle the Blitzburg Steelers fine...
I read somewhere that they were going to start Colt McCoy. I'm sure he'll be able to handle the Blitzburg Steelers fine...
Yeah, I actually just saw that myself. So much for my faith in the Holmgren/Mangini regime. I guess it's not set in stone and Mangini does like to play these stupid games with injuries an' stuff, but I also wouldn't put it past them. Both our other QBs are hurt (and Jake is Jake) so I don't really know what else they could do - unless Ratcliffe or whatever his name was is still around (I thought they cut him though). The only acceptible reason to start McCoy against the devastation machine that goes by the name Troy Polamalu is if they don't think Colt will ever develop into anything worthwhile - which is certainly possible. If so, we better continue to lose and draft a QB. Locker would fit. He's used to losing.
Last weekend, I actually chose to watch a UFL game over whatever college games were on. It wasn't so bad. The quarterback of one of the teams was definately an ex-NFL backup. I forget his name, but he definately was familiar seeming. But you know, its like actually watching an NFL game where they run real offenses and people can tackle. But since it was on Versus, the feed was just lost to a random black screen. So I only got to see one drive.
EDIT: It does appear that the Browns did get rid of that Ratcliff guy or however you spell his name (too lazy to look it up). Cuz, you know, they just resigned him. He's apparently gonna be Colt's backup - since he hasn't practiced with the team in so long. Looks like Colt will probably be fed to the Steelers. Good luck, ace. Keep that gimp shoulder tucked and your head on a swivel.
Nobody notices the Gators anymore. And that's even better than the fact that they ain't very good right now. Thing is, they'll be back. And that sucks pretty hard, but it's the nature of NCAA football. Go Buckeyes!
EDIT: It does appear that the Browns did get rid of that Ratcliff guy or however you spell his name (too lazy to look it up). Cuz, you know, they just resigned him. He's apparently gonna be Colt's backup - since he hasn't practiced with the team in so long. Looks like Colt will probably be fed to the Steelers. Good luck, ace. Keep that gimp shoulder tucked and your head on a swivel.
I notice that I hate them lol 80% of Gator's fans are complete bell-ends...bahaha I used it right
GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!
Sorry, Zombie_Babies =P
(No offense Robin_Hoodlum)
But honestly, there are worse bar people (relating to watching sports). I hate people who need to constantly cheer (loudly) even if their team is crushing the opponent. Okay, if its a close game, that's one thing. But sometime you have teams winning by 20-30 points and the loser fans are still cheering (loudly) when they score or something. That's extremely annoying. Its probably one of the ones I complain about the most.
I see...
But yeah, root against the Browns if you must. I doubt you'll actually need to, but yeah. Heh.
you ever start a nice old fashioned bar fight over it?
Please, you're watching a rugby variant. Real hooligans are attracted exclusively to soccer.
Stadiums are dangerous places, especially in lower leagues, at least here; I'm not sure how does it work in Britain, but I assume similarly.
If you're not as big as an Ork Nob, wearing team colours is a death wish.
That said, I've recently repainted my DoW Orkz after a third league team from my hometown and gave them according banners. AVIA PANY!!! :D
The Browns are going to get crushed!
CRUSHED!!!
And the Browns should be ashamed of themselves, throwing that rookie QB to the wolves...
Do you know why Toldeo doesn't have a professional football team?
Because then Cleveland would want one!
Ahhhh... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Go Eagles!
Too bad Vick is out.
Good luck to Kolb.
McCoy did a good job, I have to give him that.
My Niners are 0-5.
Didn't the Niners win?
Go Eagles!
F' the Eagles and stupid Kolb.
GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!
McCoy did a good job, I have to give him that.
I agree. McCoy did a good job considering the circumstances.
GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!
McCoy did a good job, I have to give him that.
He did, didn't he. Really, I was pleasantly surprised. He's easily the most accurate passer the Browns have had in a friggin 'decade. He's got nobody to throw to, though, and Harrison took out both of the ok guys he did have early - with two intentional helmet to helmet shots no less. The second one should have gotten him a penalty. He lead with his helmet and the receiver was defenseless. Lame ass refs.
Big Ben looked like Big Ben, too. If he can keep his **** in his pants, the Steelers will be tough to beat.
Oh, the Browns need receivers badly. Like, really bad. Nobody is ever open. Both pics McCoy threw? Yeah, tipped by the receiver first. They made him look worse than he is, that's for sure. And that Browns secondary? **** covering receivers, these guys couldn't cover me. The Browns should safety/corner blitz every single down. That way, their safeties and corners may actually do something and it's not like it's a coverage loss. They don't cover anyway. Oh well, the record certainly doesn't show it but I do see improvement.
EDIT: I think it's an Ohio thing, actually. You know, to cover soft on 3rd and long. Give the guy a good 7 to 15 yard cushion so he can get that first down easy. Both the Browns and the Buckeyes were guilty of that last week. Stupid soft coverage on long yardage downs. Get aggressive when your secondary kinda sucks, dammit!
In sports news - cuz this is a football thread - I'm sorta glad the Buckeyes lost. I mean, now I don't have to get all antsy about a Nat Champ possibility. 'Course they could miss the Rose Bowl, too. See, Michigan State beat Wisconsin and Wisconsin beat us and we don't play Michigan State so stuff could get all sortsa weird. But if Iowa beats Michigan State and we beat Iowa and Wisconsin loses somewhere along the line, I think we're in. I dunno. Whatever.
and and and FSUUUUU WONNNNNN!!!!1111!!!!11!!!Didn't the Niners win?
Yes, against the Raiders. Not much of an accomplishment there, lol.
I have no confidence that the NFL will implement this rule properly.
Take the Desaun Jackson hit. Even by the "hitting a defenseless receiver" rule, the hit was clean. Robinson did not lead with his helmet; he hit him primarily with his shoulder pads. But since it was a brutal hit, that's the type of hit that might be subject to the rule.
Its one thing to try to get rid of those helmet to helmet hits, but sometimes it just happens. Like if a receiver is going across the middle and a line backer lines him up, the reciever trying to dodge the hit can cause a helmet to helmet collision.
So there are definately hits that they should try to get rid of (like the Merriweather one), but I just have no confidence in the NFL actually doing that since they have a history of over-reacting (roughing the passer).
They should just make it, if you lead with your helmet, its a suspension. If it was a minor offense, make it a quarter suspension. If it worse, increase the suspension. According to ex-NFL players (mainly radio hosts), you shouldn't be leading with your helmet to tackle anyway.
Yeah, I don't know how well it'll be implemented but it's gotten to the point that something needs to be done. Look at Harrison. He took two shots at two players, took 'em out and then said he tries to hurt people. Oh, and he wasn't flagged once. Yeah, something needs to be done. That's not the way to play.
At least one of those hits was legal.
And he has been fined $75,000 but no suspension.
Why don't we just put skirts on them and play two-hand touch?
Football is a violent game and if you can't run with the big dogs, then stay on the porch...
Why don't we just put skirts on them and play two-hand touch?
Football is a violent game and if you can't run with the big dogs, then stay on the porch...
They play rugby at my school. So it's funny hearing you complain about the wussification of football. Like complaining that water is wet.
Why don't we just put skirts on them and play two-hand touch?
Football is a violent game and if you can't run with the big dogs, then stay on the porch...
They play rugby at my school. So it's funny hearing you complain about the wussification of football. Like complaining that water is wet.
Whats this?
Take football. Take away the helmets, the shoulder and chest pads, and a referee that stops the game every ten seconds. You're close to rugby. It's a more violent game.
Ahhhh, I get it now.
Yeah, I've seen rugby...
It's pretty darn tough!
Take football. Take away the helmets, the shoulder and chest pads, and a referee that stops the game every ten seconds. You're close to rugby. It's a more violent game.
I think the addition of helmets (like used in the current NFL) makes the game more violent. Not only does it let players do dumber stuff, but it gives them a weapon to do so. Someone isn't going to launch their head at the head of another player as much if they're not helmetted.
Also, there's no passing in rugby (from my knowledge). So it really doesn't relate well since the most brutal hits occur during passing plays (I believe all the three big hits were during passing plays this weekend). Typically players run through trafficked areas at high speeds then catch (or try to catch) the ball, which leaves them defenseless while anyone player is free to hit them.
Comparing NFL to rugby seems akin to comparing hockey to soccer. The games are probably more similar than football and rugby. Hockey players are padded. There are more breaks in action in hockey. Players play less of the game. But hockey is much more violent than soccer.
At least one of those hits was legal.
And he has been fined $75,000 but no suspension.
Why don't we just put skirts on them and play two-hand touch?
Football is a violent game and if you can't run with the big dogs, then stay on the porch...
There's a big difference between making a big hit and trying to take someone out by possibly permanently injuring them. Leading with your head to try and jack the other guy in the head should be something people see as a problem. Thankfully the vast majority of players do. So yeah, not so much wussification as protecting people from being injured intentionally. And with Harrison, he also decided to come out and say he tries to hurt people. So, uhh, how is that good? If ya can't beat the players on the field, ya don't deserve to win.
I have no analyzed all three (or four) hits. But from what I hear, the worst hit (legally) was the Merriwether one, then the Harrison hit to Masosdfnasodfmas (sorry, don't know his name), then the Desaun Jackson hit. People seemed to think that the Merriwether hit was clearly dirty and the Desaun Jackson hit was clearly clean. But they both recieved the same penalty.
The Jackson hit was brutal and a really hard hit, but most people will say it was clean (even by the new NFL standards). So they're just punishing him for hitting hard. And they're punishing him the same amount of someone who people seem to agree threw a dirty hit (lead with his head, targeted the head, and left his feet).
But I guess I should just be used to it since the NFL is horribly run.
Like Harrison's hit on Cribbs was called legal cuz Cribbs was a RB at the time and not defenseless. Thing is, his head was still targeted and Harrison did it on purpose. Anyhoo, it was legal so I can understand the no call. Massoqwherigh, otoh, was in the process of making the catch and was totally defenseless. Looking at close up stills, you can see he's totally focused on the ball when Harrison jumps head first into his helmet. No flag - which is BS - but a fine and that sorta makes up for it a little. But the guy did it twice in a few plays, admitted he did it on purpose and does stuff like that with the express purpose of hurting people in mind. To me, he should be suspended for that. And doing crap like that isn't 'tough man football'. It's cowardice, plain and simple. Like I said, if you can't beat the players on the field, you don't deserve to win. If you have to take guys out to beat them, maybe you should try improving your game so you don't suck so hard instead.
Also, I want my team to hit defenseless recievers if they can't make a play on the ball. If someone is going to catch a 20 yd pass on third down, what is the defense supposed to do; let him catch the ball, then tackle him? They should be allowed to try to separate the reciever from the ball. They just shouldn't be used to target the reciever's head or lead with their own head.
And seeing how the fines were layed down, I have a bad feeling that Dunta Robinson would have been suspended just because the hit was brutal. And that's really wrong.
I think suspensions by the league after the fact during the week is probably the best way. You get around tampering and fixes since I assume it'll consist of higher ups in the league would make tons of money. Like there probably aren't enough that even idiot Goodell could have the final yes/no confirmation.
And yeah, I agree that fines are worthless. Rodney Harrison stated that on Sunday Night Football. He would allocate a certain amount to fines but it was okay since his paychecks were greater. Suspensions are the way to go.
And I would include this for all players. The penalty should not be based on your target. If you lower your head against a running back or even if you lower your head as a running back, it should all be the same.
Suspensions afer the game are probably the best way to do it, but that still allows a player to alter the game by purposefully targeting and injuring key players and suffering no immediate penalty for it. Like say somebody decides to take out Chris Johnson when Young is out. Think that may make a big difference in the game? It sucks that in order to protect those that don't you have to let those that do get away with it temporarily. And the final game of the year for a team facing a playoff team or even the SB itself would still allow people some room. Sure they miss a check next year, but the impact they could immediately have may outweigh that problem. Still, what you propose above is the best option.
I seriously hope this isn't true, but for some reason I believe it. Refs asking coaches to take timeouts for TV breaks. Yeah, that's a good thing.
EDIT: Nem'mind, it appears this was just a case of Fisher bein' Fisher. All a joke.
What an overpriveledged idiot.
Yup. He only makes $13mil this year.
... and suddenly that fine you lot mentioned doesn't seem so large anymore.
At least one of those hits was legal.
And he has been fined $75,000 but no suspension.
Why don't we just put skirts on them and play two-hand touch?
Football is a violent game and if you can't run with the big dogs, then stay on the porch...
There's a big difference between making a big hit and trying to take someone out by possibly permanently injuring them. Leading with your head to try and jack the other guy in the head should be something people see as a problem. Thankfully the vast majority of players do. So yeah, not so much wussification as protecting people from being injured intentionally. And with Harrison, he also decided to come out and say he tries to hurt people. So, uhh, how is that good? If ya can't beat the players on the field, ya don't deserve to win.
Did you listen to the entire interview?
He says he likes to hurt people... shake them up enough to come out for a play... make them scared to get the ball next time, etc.
He also said he DOES NOT try to INJURE other players.
There is a difference between getting hurt and being injured.
Did you listen to the entire interview?
He says he likes to hurt people... shake them up enough to come out for a play... make them scared to get the ball next time, etc.
He also said he DOES NOT try to INJURE other players.
There is a difference between getting hurt and being injured.
Yes I did (ok, I read it). So what you (and he) are trying to tell me is that a man that weighs in the neighborhood of 300 lbs who runs as fast as he can toward someone, leaves his feet (giving up all control over his body) and lowers his head to hit a clueless player in the head can somehow decide to 'hurt' the guy instead of injuring him? How? If you can explain how Harrison and the others like him can somehow determine whether or not the massive shots they take at defenseless players will just 'hurt' them and take them out for a play instead of injuring them more seriously, I'll listen. Until then, he's a dirty coward that'd rather take a guy off the field with a cheap shot than actually, you know, see if he's better at the game of football than that guy or not.
There is a difference between getting 'hurt' - shaken up, stunned, whatever - and being injured - concussed, paralyzed, etc. Thing is, no human being can control how his body impacts another player once he closes his eyes and leaves his feet. At that point he's turned himself into a projectile and whether the target is 'hurt' or injured is totally out of his hands. So what I'm saying is Harrison is full of **** or too stupid to know he can't possibly determine whether his cheap shots are going to 'hurt' or injure.
EDIT: Let's try this, too. You and I are hangin' out and we decide for some (likely drunken) reason that I should try to 'hurt' you with a baseball bat. Not injure, just take a shot at you and 'hurt' you with it. Would you want to take that shot to the head or somewhere less, you know, prone to major catastrophic injury?
If these players just wanna 'hurt' guys, why aim for the head?
I know the results already.
9ers win. Probably by a 15-20 point cushion. Only that close thanks to a great defense that's been on the field too long, and the offense gave up all the points.
Yeah I know cat country. I know it very well.
I know I'm supposed to cheer and go Ra ra go cardiac cats.. but frankly we don't have a team this year. the Freedom Patriots (local highschool team) can do better than these losers. (they are also about the same age as the panthers players too lol)
Matt Moore is supposed to start this week but our Protection has been non existent, we have pretty much Zero receivers, and frankly our running game is busted as well.
GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!
You know I was just listening to a guy saying how the NFC west wasn't a joke anymore.
Yeah that's why the the 9ers just got their faces trounced by the Cats.
holy crap.
You know I was just listening to a guy saying how the NFC west wasn't a joke anymore.
Yeah that's why the the 9ers just got their faces trounced by the Cats.
Not that the 49ers don't suck and the NFC West doesn't suck, but there is a serious disadvantage of going from the West Coast to the East Coast and playing a 1 pm game. But that doesn't mean the NFC West still doesn't suck.
The Falcons looked like they'd have a laugher, but the Bengals made a massive comeback. Luckily the Falcons held them off at the end. There was very little defense in that game, but I'll take it.
The Browns? What can I say? Not bad. The Saits are in trouble, sure, but I don't think the last year Browns would have done it. Then again, this new version of the Browns is terrible at just about everything but beating the defending champ. This makes three years in a row. It's not a common feat. Also not terribly important, but us Cleveland fans takes what we can gets.
The Rams... seriously we lost to the Rams.
The Rams are good! Sam Bradford looks like he's going to be a good player.
I don't think they are actually good.
However this weekend definitely confirmed, Fox has to go.
The Rams only look good.
I don't think they are actually good.
I don't think good like a top team, but I think good as competing for a playoff spot. I think they won 4 games already, right?
Doing great with my fantasy teams though...
Mine too. I'm 7-1, although injuries kind of hurt me. I won the last two weeks primarily because I played really bad teams.
Only this time the softies aren't undefeated and no one's going "Zomg best team evarz!" over them. (thank god, even if it did feel good when I was vindicated)
Their play over the Cats wasn't so much better that they could have walked away with a bigger score. Which is generally how I judge a team, is how do they score and how often vs the Cats D. (as the panthers have a very strong D. It just gets stuck out there all game) I don't feel they'll make it to the playoffs, maybe a wild card if some of the other teams stumble and some of the not so good teams act as a spoiler for that spot.
I think they definately are in the upswing.
But yeah, as much as I hate the Raiders it's nice to see the schlubs startin' to pick it up and some of the good teams start to drop off. That's how the NFL - with its cap - is supposed to work. It's a good thing they decided to keep using the salary ca ... whoops.And admittedly, I've never seen him play, but his numbers are horrible, even compared to others of his time. So I guess it means if you talk big and win, its better than actually be good or something.
Anyway, I have to go to a wedding on Sunday. So no football this weekend for me =(
I will also be missin' football this weekend. Maybe catch some of the late game, I dunno and maybe some of the Monday night game. Oh well.
I loved how the Browns layed the smack down on the stupid Patriots. Best team in football... I wonder if people will still call them that.
Anyway, are things starting to look up in Cleveland? (Peyton Hillis is a beast!)
Although I think the Falcons play on Thursday night, which sucks since I don't get NFL Network. I don't think I'll be able to convince the wife to go out to watch it. Boooo-urns!
The first three quarters it looked like most of the team was just going to lie down and let the Cardinals take the game with the exception of Favre, Harvin, and Camarillo. Childress sat Jared Allen for a few plays, I think to send a message, and the next thing you know he's got 2 1/2 sacks or something like that.
Yep, in the fourth quarter, they decided to play like the team they are capable of being. Hopefully, they can keep it going.
I loved how the Browns layed the smack down on the stupid Patriots. Best team in football... I wonder if people will still call them that.
Anyway, are things starting to look up in Cleveland? (Peyton Hillis is a beast!)
Although I think the Falcons play on Thursday night, which sucks since I don't get NFL Network. I don't think I'll be able to convince the wife to go out to watch it. Boooo-urns!
I think they may be, actually. The defense is certainly better - though it still needs a lot of work (especially in the secondary) but the offense is ... creative. It's not stagnant anymore, the line is playing well and helping Hillis get the job done which makes it easier for Colt. And Colt is a wonderful game manager and that's all you need when you've got Hillis. And all you can do when all you have is Hillis, but I'm hopin' we'll get some receivers at some point. A good sign that the front office stuff is better is that they did not try to pick up Moss even though they've got nobody that can run and catch. He'd have been a terrible fit and, if they picked him up, it would have been a sign of real desperation. Now I find myself hoping Mangini sticks around. Don't know if it'll happen, but I think it may work. Then again, gimmicky stuff seldom lasts long and damned near never translates to the next season.
Re: Vikings: I think they're done. The Packers are far superior and that's without their primary RB. The Vikings barely beat a terrible, terrible Cardinals team. Hell, when the Cards were good they were still pretty bad. It's sad but Favre is finally finished and the Vikes just don't have enough to really make any noise. They'll have moments, but that's all that they'll be able to squeeze out of this year.
All that said though, you could be right if the team doesn't play and judging by the first three quarters of the Cardinals game it is likely they won't but I'm keeping hope alive.
LOL
I honestly held out hope for a while as far as the Vikings go. I'm still a Favre fan, you know. But after watchin' him a couple times, I guess reality smacked me around a bit. I guess there's still a chance they could win it all, but I just don't feel it. Then again, I'm a Cleveland fan so it's not like I know about teams that have what it takes. ;)
Favre had a hell of a game though, so even if the Vikings don't go anywhere. The most I'm hoping for is a playoff birth. Maybe as a wildcard but Farve threw the most yards in his 20 year career despite the two interceptions. He's still got it when his line decides to do their job. I'm hoping he does finally retire after this year though, his age is definitely showing.
LOL
Favre had a hell of a game though, so even if the Vikings don't go anywhere. The most I'm hoping for is a playoff birth. Maybe as a wildcard but Farve threw the most yards in his 20 year career despite the two interceptions. He's still got it when his line decides to do their job. I'm hoping he does finally retire after this year though, his age is definitely showing.
I bolded the part that worries me. See, even when Brett performs well, he's still tossin' picks. Like, every single game. I'd see a Viking win, read the recap, see his numbers and be like 'alright, he's back' until I got to the interceptions - which he always has - and then I come back down to reality. Hell, look at the Saints to see what a crapload of picks can do to an otherwise elite team. Brees is havin' an off year (largely cuz they have no running game right now, but still) and it's killing the team. The Vikings can't afford to have Favre toss picks with the way the defense is meh-in' it up this year. Last year the Vikings were amazing. Last year Brett through way less picks. So, until that changes about him - and I doubt it can considering his condition (not age, actual condition - he tosses picks when he's hurt, it just happens) - the Vikes are in real trouble. Granted, it is Brett Favre so I suppose it is possible, but I just don't see it. They dug a big hole.
I think the Falcons really need to have a top two seed. They look almost invincible at home and... less so on the road. And I only expect that to get worse and the weather gets colder. I heard a stat that said that Matt Ryan is 18-1 (or something very similar) in home games. If they had a #1 seed, I could see them going to the Superbowl. I don't think I could see them doing the same if they had to travel, especially if Philly or NJ are destinations.
And for all the talk about how great the AFC is, the NFC kind of smacked them down in the last couple of weeks:
Atlanta beat the Ravens
New Orleans beat the Steelers
Green Bay beat the Jets
Philadelphia beat the Colts
And people typically talk about how those AFC teams are the best in the league (in addition to NE who lost to the Browns).
Yeah, the NFC is, IMO, the superior conference. The 'best' teams rarely look that way for long in the AFC. I think maybe it's just that people are thrown off cuz the expected good teams in the AFC are the good teams but the NFC had a li'l change with who's the best and some teams expected to be at the top had problems. Really, I think it's that the lower level teams in the NFC improved which makes it look like the upper level teams aren't as good. That's certainly not the case, though.
But I still think its hard to pick what I think are the best teams. I think Green Bay could have been the top, but injuries have hit them hard (although they're still rolling along). The Giants recently look great but its hard to forget how Indy totally embarassed them in week 2. Philly with Vick is so dynamic, but Vick's always a run away from the sideline. Atlanta seems to drop off too much on the road.
But yeah, the NFC is pretty solid since many divisions are 3 teams deep.
It's sad when the highlight is Tampa Bay.
DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stoopid Browns. Couldn't put it together enough to beat three top teams in a row. Oh well, they're still better than I thought they'd be and, I dare say, slightly better than their record indicates. Not much, mind, but slightly. I think Colt is the real McCoy, too ... ... ...
And I was wrong about the Steelers, obviously. So the title of Best in the AFC - for now - goes back to New England. The Browns beat their ass but they obviously made some pretty damned good adjustments. The Steelers? Hey guys, you miss Holmes yet? With Ward hurt and Santonio still being, well, good, do ya really think cuttin' him for weed was the answer? Meh, whatever.
And I was right about the Giants. Still too swingy to be actually good.
And the Buckeyes won after an ugly, ugly first half and a terrible offensive performance by everyone not named Dan 'Boom' Herron. Jeebus. Oh, and Tressel pulled the kid when he was at 191 yards for the game. Why do that? I understand the game was well in hand, but why not let the kid hit 200? That was pretty lame. The Bucks still have hope for the Rose Bowl, too - if they can win out. Er, and Wisconsin loses. I guess the way it's all laid out now the race is a 3 way tie and the team that heads to the Rose Bowl will be the Big 10 winner (3 way tie if things hold up) with the highest BCS ranking. And that, right now, is Wisconsin. Since OSU is in the top 10, should they win out and not be selected for the Rose Bowl, it's very likely they will be tapped for another BCS game as it's all about da dollahs and the Buckeye fans do travel. Man, isn't the BCS awesome! What? No? Yeah, you're right.
How did the other five guys that go to Jags games like it?
Stoopid Browns. Couldn't put it together enough to beat three top teams in a row. Oh well, they're still better than I thought they'd be and, I dare say, slightly better than their record indicates. Not much, mind, but slightly. I think Colt is the real McCoy, too ... ... ...
And I was wrong about the Steelers, obviously. So the title of Best in the AFC - for now - goes back to New England. The Browns beat their ass but they obviously made some pretty damned good adjustments. The Steelers? Hey guys, you miss Holmes yet? With Ward hurt and Santonio still being, well, good, do ya really think cuttin' him for weed was the answer? Meh, whatever.
And I was right about the Giants. Still too swingy to be actually good.
And the Buckeyes won after an ugly, ugly first half and a terrible offensive performance by everyone not named Dan 'Boom' Herron. Jeebus. Oh, and Tressel pulled the kid when he was at 191 yards for the game. Why do that? I understand the game was well in hand, but why not let the kid hit 200? That was pretty lame. The Bucks still have hope for the Rose Bowl, too - if they can win out. Er, and Wisconsin loses. I guess the way it's all laid out now the race is a 3 way tie and the team that heads to the Rose Bowl will be the Big 10 winner (3 way tie if things hold up) with the highest BCS ranking. And that, right now, is Wisconsin. Since OSU is in the top 10, should they win out and not be selected for the Rose Bowl, it's very likely they will be tapped for another BCS game as it's all about da dollahs and the Buckeye fans do travel. Man, isn't the BCS awesome! What? No? Yeah, you're right.
thats cold zombie
we made houston suck it :pThough this is the time of the season that everyone starts to make Houston suck it. They're entire franchise history is pretty much one giant second half collapse. Heh.
Hey man, I wasn't commentin' on the team, I was bashin' the notoriously terrible fanbase.
Though this is the time of the season that everyone starts to make Houston suck it. They're entire franchise history is pretty much one giant second half collapse. Heh.
oh I didn't think they were that bad lol empty victory :P yeah theres a bunch of stores here that are called "jagmania" ...nobody likes them
About the fanbase, last I heard they were struggling to overcome blackouts constantly cuz of awful ticket sales. They were considering drafting Tebow simply because he'd have automatically brought in a crapton of doofus Gator fans to watch him suck at the next level.
They didn't - which was smart and something that kinda surprised me (doing the right thing for the team instead of the right thing for ticket sales) so I figured attendance still sucked.No victory in the NFL is an empty one. Well, most of them aren't. I'd not call this an empty win for the Jags.
About the fanbase, last I heard they were struggling to overcome blackouts constantly cuz of awful ticket sales. They were considering drafting Tebow simply because he'd have automatically brought in a crapton of doofus Gator fans to watch him suck at the next level.
fxck tebow lol only retards like the gators
lol but yeah the stadium was full when i went so I assume we're doing better...the 49ers.
That Is akin to winning the special olympics I think....
So how 'bout that ass-whuppin' the Eagles laid down last night? Got home late since I was workin' out, took a shower, turned the game on and was like '28-0 Eagles, sweet ... oh. my. god. It's still the first quarter!'. And then, 9 seconds into the second it was 35-0. Holy crap, man. That Vick guy is pretty good. Over 300 passing, around 80 rushing and 6 TDs! Yeah, he's pretty ok. ;)
The Cowboys may have turned out the lights on the Giants
, but call 911, the Eagles were on fire.Which of course means they are going to find a new and interesting way to blow it next week, as they always seem to do...
After the Steelers lost to the Pats, I went off on facebook, cursing the Steelers and calling them "has-beens" and "bums".
I even started clapping crazily and with vigor every time the Steelers screwed up or the Pats did good.
LOL
A lot of my "friends" (real and virtual) didn't like that very much...
But hey! That's how I relieve frustration and anger...
The Steelers are still my team... always have been since I can remember football.
LOL...
After the Steelers lost to the Pats, I went off on facebook, cursing the Steelers and calling them "has-beens" and "bums".
I even started clapping crazily and with vigor every time the Steelers screwed up or the Pats did good.
LOL
A lot of my "friends" (real and virtual) didn't like that very much...
But hey! That's how I relieve frustration and anger...
The Steelers are still my team... always have been since I can remember football.
Buy a punching bag or blow something up next time. No one likes a "butthurt" flamer throwing tantrums online. It's simply seen as immature ;)
That's cool. I'm really not aware of the goings on in Jacksonville's stadium so it's no shock to me that I was off on the figures. ;) I just remember an article before the draft talkin' about how sad it was down there and how the owner was really considerin' Tebow to sell more tickets. That's just not the way to do things, ya know? But they didn't so all is well.
Oh not at all lol I found out we're steadily getting better at putting people in those seats. but on the gripping hand I think so many people went that theres not gonna be enough people for the next game and it'll be a blackout
Man the NFC south blows.
It's sad when the highlight is Tampa Bay.
Ummmm, did you forget about the 7-2 Falcons?
Now, hopefully the Falcons won't have problems with a cross-country trip to a tough and improving Rams team, especially since Matty Ice kind of sucks on the road. (Insert refrigeration joke)
The Browns are a neat story. Too bad they couldn't find this groove sooner. The secondary still needs lotsa work and they need receivers that don't, you know, suck. Gimmicks only work for a while. Hillis is good and McCoy can manage a game plus the line plays well so they've got that. They seem close to really turnong a corner. It's not so sad to be a Browns fan now. Hell, they're even getting some national respect - even after that Jets loss. They beat 2 SB caliber teams in two weeks and took another to the wire (and could have won had it not been for a mistake - don't try for more yards when you're a tiny dood, man). Hopefully they'll keep it goin' but who knows.
Man the NFC south blows.
It's sad when the highlight is Tampa Bay.
Ummmm, did you forget about the 7-2 Falcons?
There is that. Technically they are the best team. But I think this is going to be another average year for them. Tampa is making the highlights because they are in my opinion improving with every game.
Where as in the case of the Birds, they're about where they were last year. And in the case of the Saints and Cats.... yeah.....
But I do agree that Tampa is a team on the rise. So I actually think the NFC South is the best division in the NFL since they go three teams deep.
The bar that I've been going to for the last few weeks is pretty interesting. There's the normal large following of common teams (Steelers, Cowboys, locals), but there's also a few Browns and Lions fans. Its pretty funny watching them react to their games, especially the Lions fans. They were in a tough close game with Dallas until that wild punt return... those silly Lions. The Browns fans seem pretty okay, very low key... kinda defeated seeming, but loyal.
I swear they need to look into what cleats the QBs are wearin' or somethin'. Three QBs, three ankle injuries. Lame. (get it? lame? cuz they hurt their ... )Anyhoo, I like the Eagles. The Giants, while flighty, are ranked like 1st in D and 2nd in O (or vice versa) and the birds were able to win. Vick didn't look fantastic, though, and the Giants may have exposed somethin'. Defend the run well and load the weak side to seal it. Make Vick scramble right and he'll pretty much forget about passin'. I hate it when announcers actually get something right, but Collinsworth nailed that'n.
I guess there's a reason John Madden called him "the super ultimate weapon" =P
sooo uhhh....HOW BOUT 'DEM JAGS....AGAIN!!!! WOOOO!!! Just sayin
That's like beating the panthers. It ain't sayin much.
The Browns while not a terrible team so bad that you should turn the tv off this year. Still aren't good.sooo uhhh....HOW BOUT 'DEM JAGS....AGAIN!!!! WOOOO!!! Just sayin
That's like beating the panthers. It ain't sayin much.
wow this is depressing :-( lol
sooo uhhh....HOW BOUT 'DEM JAGS....AGAIN!!!! WOOOO!!! Just sayin
Go ahead, you deserve it.
As far as marquee wins go, though, I think my Browns have yuor jags beat. So ... uhh ... I'll use that thought to make myself feel better about losin' to the Jags after beating the Saints, beating down the Pats and then hangin' with the Chosen of Tymora Jets. Seriously, can a team be more lucky?The Browns are much better than the Panthers. I was watching the Panthers play last weekend and it was horrible. Their GM needs to go; they have so little talent on that team its an embarassment.
Yar. Browns = moving forward, Cats = moving backward. Maybe the Panthers can Hire Chilly now that he's out of Minnesota, heh.
But seriously? I'm so sick of the Good Luck Jets. Somebody needs to whup their ass and soon. Thie barely skatin' by stuff bothers me.
And I agree with you dislike of the Jets. Its especially bad around NY because you hear it all the time. Before the Houston game, people were saying that they needed a blowout victory for their morale... because you know, they would obviously going to win 'cuz they're so good. Stupid Jets and their fans are horrible. Its like they think they're the worst team ever with how they talk. "Whoa is me who is a Jets fan."
I agree the Redskins are improved but I don't see it lasting. Personnell is a big deal and Shanahan does not get along with his. Haynesworth and McNabb don't want to be there (sure Donovan signed the extension, but it's hardly a guarantee that he'll be kept around and it's a good idea when you're on the downside and there's a possible labor stoppage looming to get the numbers now) and who knows how the rest of the guys actually feel. Washington needed a culture change, sure, but this one was damned extreme. I like Shanahan myself but I think that he is just too different from the team he's been given. Over time, it'll likely get better but right now things are not as good as they seem.
I guess the Panther dream and rumor has been Bill Cowher since apparently he's from there or something. I imagine it'll be a good coach and Fox will probably get work too since he's regarded well. I would say Carolina seems like it'll be bad for a while, but teams can turn around fast in the NFL these days (like Tampa and KC, for example).
I think we're throwing games for picks at this point. (and to smear Fox's ill deserved reputation)
He's not nearly so fantastic that "I'm going to have a job in five minutes after leaving Carolina". Yes he said that.
Who decided to sign the players we did (and sign yet another QB who Sucks.) they should go too.
Cowher's got alot of connections to this state, and from my understanding has expressed some interest. Whomever we get though is bound to be better than a guy who has no business building a passing team, trying to build one.
The QB coach needs to go as well.
We Suck and Fail right now. Bad. Honestly I think I could draft some High school players and Beat Carolina with a football team whipped together in a month.
We Suck and Fail right now. Bad. Honestly I think I could draft some High school players and Beat Carolina with a football team whipped together in a month.
C'mon, when you say stuff like that it makes it hard to take what you say seriously.
C'mon, when you say stuff like that it makes it hard to take what you say seriously.
You haven't had the .... em um.... unfound 'joy' of watching us every single game and in the preseason. I really have seen better coordinated highschool teams. Certainly I've seen better College Teams.
Sure the Cats are bigger than either of the jr leagues. But frankly they don't know what to do with what they have. They are slow, incapable of handling the ball, and seem clumsy (prone to falling, fumbling, and failing to have anything resembling normal human reaction times).
And I don't know if we even have any real plays. Other than Huddle, Timeout, and get the ball to the QB. If we do, evidently we aren't practicing them.
So ... uhh ... Micha, it looks ... umm ... like the Cats are gonna get win number 2. McCoy is out, Jake the Shake is in. It's official, Browns fans. The season is ovah.
Oh god.
God ZB rest Cleveland's soul. It was just starting to look bright over there. Is Shakey in for the full season or just the next game or two?Even with Shake in though, I don't know if we will win. We had another team throw four picks and not even find the Redzone. Four.
I guess McCoy's injury is the same as what Jake and Seneca had - high ankle sprain. Delhommed got the start over Wallace cuz of his familiarity with the Cats (you know, he's very familiar with making them lose). They say that they think McCoy will recover faster than the other guys so he may be back soon-ish. Who knows though. And since it was Mangini that said all this, don't be surprised to see Seneca under center or even McCoy. Mangini loves games like that.
At best shakey's going to throw a couple TDs... then go right back to throwing 6 Ints a game.
Given that it's the Cats this year though..... Yeah Really I don't think even that is going to give us the big 2nd win. It's going to become a Fail Off. Who fails the least wins.
My money is on Cleveland winning, because frankly they still have a more talented player pool. (Cats, Defense aside which is -okay- but sorely needs some more solid players than the 2-3 guys we have)
You haven't had the .... em um.... unfound 'joy' of watching us every single game and in the preseason. I really have seen better coordinated highschool teams. Certainly I've seen better College Teams.
Sure the Cats are bigger than either of the jr leagues. But frankly they don't know what to do with what they have. They are slow, incapable of handling the ball, and seem clumsy (prone to falling, fumbling, and failing to have anything resembling normal human reaction times).
And I don't know if we even have any real plays. Other than Huddle, Timeout, and get the ball to the QB. If we do, evidently we aren't practicing them.
I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but its something like 1 in 100 High Schoolers make it to college ball and 1 in 100 of those make it to the NFL where most of them just retire because they're no good. Remember, your QB (Jimmy Claussin) was "great" and a Heisman contender in college. So I'm willing to bet that you could take any NFL team (the Lions, the Panthers, the Seahawks) and they'd probably dismantle whoever's #1 in the BCS. The greatest college quarterback (Tim Telbow) can't even get on the field in the NFL because he can't actually throw the ball properly.
And that's all just skill. Size, strength, and speed are completely different (especially so if you want to compare high schoolers). Go to a high school team and tell me how many players are 6'4", 220 and can play quarterback. And have him surrounded by even taller, more massive linemen who actually are quick and agile. I think you're starting to see the difference.
Comparing the NFL to high schoolers is like (using an example you enjoy) comparing Nascar (or some other autosport) to two kids racing their tricked out Civics.
In other news, the Dirty Birds got the win over the Pack. That's a very good win but the NFC is still bunched so Atlanta really can't let up. The Saints are just a game back so their showdown in Atlanta will go a long way to determining homefield.
And Peyton Hillis is such a beast that he can overcome Jake Delhomme and his "quarterback play". Did you guys see that TD where Hillis just ran over the Carolina defender? He's so good and he can actually catch the ball and stuff.
And speaking of Peytons, Peyton Manning is looking bad. I don't know if its just a slump or if the lack of a supporting cast is finally catching up with him, but they looked horrible yesterday. Will it be the first year in a long time that the Colts are not in the playoff?
Couldn't it be when we were already going to lose?
Not.... when the game is on the line?
Jimmy boy was never great. Being from Notre Dame at this point should be a Red Flag in all honesty for the NFL. I'm sorry but there's not going to be another Joe Montana.
Cleveland needs to Fire Shakey. Now though. I can't believe they ever signed him. But after this game? Hah. I doubt he ever starts again. I'd sooner put a RB in the QB position.
Scyp: depends on the civics and the kids racing. There's alot of spoiled rich kids with civics making power similar to a stock car. The cars are also lighter.
Recent Heisman winners:
2009 Mark Ingram - still in college
2008 Sam Bradford - he's good
2007 Tim Telbow - not an NFL talent/is a "wild cat" option
2006 Troy Smith - backup on the 49ers/maybe he starts now
2005 Reggie Bush - backup on the Saints/always hurt
2004 Matt Leinart - backup on the Texans(?)/lost starting job when given to him
2003 J. White - don't know who he is so obviously not a good NFL player
2002 Carson Palmer - was an excellent quarterback, but not anymore
2001 Eric Crouch - not an NFL quarterback, I think he played some WR before retiring
And we're not even talking about all those high school players who never do anything in college, let alone the NFL.
So I should start comparing local street races to autosports now?
The defense played great though I was worried after the Redskins first possession and they marched right down the field and scored. I felt better when for the first time all season the Vikings did so on theirs.
Three game home stand coming up and though I know they haven't played well all season it is more than possible that they can come out of the homestand with a .500 record. Maybe I'm just dreaming but the Vikings didn't have any turnovers and they seemed to play Favre like they wanted to last year but because of his good play they turned him loose instead.
Funniest moment was Favre running for a first down to end the game. LOL
) the Patriots treatment. Oh well, a win is a win - even if it isn't deserved.Oh, Troy Smith is the Niners' starter. He looks ok. I doubt he'll ever be much, though. Then again, when his O line can protect he does pretty ok so who knows.
Whenever the Panthers score, in NC it's now a common practice to start singing "there's a stranger in the house".
All we friggin had to do was keep the guys together from last year (sans The Shake, and I'll take a dump this game Julius Crappers)
Although I do think they've had running back health issues, which obviously is a problem since they would like to run the ball. But I think that Godson or whatever running back they're using now looks pretty decent.
I thought Carolina was bad last year? Maybe they won a bunch of games late in the year? But take off their best player (Peppers) and throw in a rookie quarterback (when he's healthy) and you should get a drop off.
Although I do think they've had running back health issues, which obviously is a problem since they would like to run the ball. But I think that Godson or whatever running back they're using now looks pretty decent.
the Cats were much better last year than their record states. The only reason they did so poorly was Shakey Jakey, being Jake. And peppers taking off pretty much every game.
Once we stopped relying on both the wins came surging in.
Alot of the problem comes from the fact that Fox more than likely deliberately sabotaged us with bad players (after all it's his last year here), and that we likely won't be fielding our good RBs. And next year it's quite likely we might lose those good RBs leaving us with those horrible rookies.
The BCS games are in. Wisconsin got the Rose and they play against TCU. Yeah, yeah, the Rose Bowl is the Big10 champ vs the Pac10 champ but this year things are all screwy. Since there's a 3 way tie for Big10 champ, the BCS rankings were used to choose the team. Since Oregon is playing Auburn in the Nat Champ game and since there's a new rule for the Rose Bowl, the second place Pac10 team gets boned. The rule states that if the first place team from either conference is unavailable to play in the game for any reason (like Oregon playing in the Championship or if USC would have won the Pac10 cuz they're banned from bowl games) a BCS ranked non Big6 team must be selected. Or something like that. Anyhoo, the Frogs get to go. Even though the Badgers beat the Buckeyes, I hope they beat the ever livin' crap out of TCU to shut up all the people that want them and Boise to get more respect cuz of their records - records achieved against largely inferior foes.
The Buckeyes get the Sugar against Arkansas. Yay, another SEC team. It'd be different if any of the bowl games were played in, you know, weather, but whatever. The Big10 gets to travel to another warm and dry location. Cuz that's fair. I hope the Bucks win (and think they can) but they tend to blow it against the SEC for whatever reason. Hopefully that defense they built to compete with SEC speed works out - especially since it's the reason they lost to Wisconsin.
And that hit you talked about you know where? Yeah, the fact that that dood didn't get flagged kinda supports the idea that Harrison is a marked man. I don't believe that - er, rather, I feel he is marked cuz he plays that way on purpose - but it sure as hell didn't look good.
They can't find the endzone.
With an Instruction Manual, Diagrams, and the other team leading them there.
Yep. The Can'ts are Can'ts.
They can't find the endzone.
With an Instruction Manual, Diagrams, and the other team leading them there.
ouch dood :P
and BTW how about them jags? :D
Even though the Badgers beat the Buckeyes, I hope they beat the ever livin' crap out of TCU to shut up all the people that want them and Boise to get more respect cuz of their records - records achieved against largely inferior foes.
I agree with this. I hate how TCU and Boise State get so much respect when they don't play anyone. Apparently TCU is moving to the Big East so at least they'll be in a BCS conference now and can't complain. I really win they schedule both teams against big market teams last year instead of having them play each other in a bowl. Boise State should've played Florida or something last year, but whatever, the NCAA is pretty inept. (Wow, that was pretty poorly written.)
Go Dirty Birds!
Yeah, they're pretty legit.
I agree with this. I hate how TCU and Boise State get so much respect when they don't play anyone. Apparently TCU is moving to the Big East so at least they'll be in a BCS conference now and can't complain. I really win they schedule both teams against big market teams last year instead of having them play each other in a bowl. Boise State should've played Florida or something last year, but whatever, the NCAA is pretty inept. (Wow, that was pretty poorly written.)
Yep, it's pretty lame. But that's what you get with such a *****y system as the BCS. Junk. It's nice that TCU worked to get into a Big 6 conference an' all, but the Big East? ****, man, they'll likely romp through that craptastic conference just as easily as they have where they're at now. It'll be the same except they'll get a guaranteed bid now. Yay. Meh, needs playoff.
I've never been so happy after a Patriots win. The Jets really needed to be smacked down and shut up (although that'll never happen). An interesting stat that I heard this morning: the Jets only beat one team with a winning record - the Pats. And they've been going to OT and needed last minute drives to win against subpar teams. So yeah, the Jets are the AFC Bucs.
I know. I got home late and turned the game on to check the score, saw the blowout and actually smiled. Smiled at the Pats crushing a team. And now? Now I hate the Jets even more for making me actually cheer for the Pats (which I never do - unless they play the Colts cuz I have that irrational hatred of all things Colts/Peyton Manning). Stupid Jets. Oh well, at least they got clowned on MNF.
The Bucs, I think, are a li'l better. They played the Falcons well and should have won the game. Freeman just got cocky. Apparently, that corner had that side of the field locked down all game. 4 passes defended, one pick before the game ender, only 2 complete passes for junk yardage, etc. Freeman had to know that. His stats to the other side and the middle were actually good. He chose to take a risk and paid for it. Had he not, they may have won it. I'm glad they didn't but they could have. Anyhoo, yeah, I think they may be a li'l better than the Jets.
Yep, it's pretty lame. But that's what you get with such a *****y system as the BCS. Junk. It's nice that TCU worked to get into a Big 6 conference an' all, but the Big East? ****, man, they'll likely romp through that craptastic conference just as easily as they have where they're at now. It'll be the same except they'll get a guaranteed bid now. Yay. Meh, needs playoff.
But at least if they get into bowl games with good teams, then they'll either lose or can't whine about not getting respect. So basically they can shut up. If they have 1 loss in the Big East, they'll probably get pitted against the third or fourth best team in the nation. So they can stop their whining.
I know. I got home late and turned the game on to check the score, saw the blowout and actually smiled. Smiled at the Pats crushing a team. And now? Now I hate the Jets even more for making me actually cheer for the Pats (which I never do - unless they play the Colts cuz I have that irrational hatred of all things Colts/Peyton Manning). Stupid Jets. Oh well, at least they got clowned on MNF.
My friend has a very similar situation for the Patriots. He's a Ravens fan and actually had to root for the Steelers in an attempt to stop the Pats undefeated season. So he hates the Pats even more because they made him root for the Steelers.
But at least if they get into bowl games with good teams, then they'll either lose or can't whine about not getting respect. So basically they can shut up. If they have 1 loss in the Big East, they'll probably get pitted against the third or fourth best team in the nation. So they can stop their whining.
True dat. Shuttin' 'em up is a fair payment. Still needs playoff, though. Never happen, but it's the only thing that makes sense.
My friend has a very similar situation for the Patriots. He's a Ravens fan and actually had to root for the Steelers in an attempt to stop the Pats undefeated season. So he hates the Pats even more because they made him root for the Steelers.
Yeah, it seems to be a fairly common thing. Gotta love sports.
****, man, I was rootin' for the Steelers on Sunday. A Browns fan rootin' for the Steelers. Why? Cuz I hate the Ravens more. And makin' me root for the Steelers makes me hate 'em even more than that. I wouldn't have it any other way. I think the idea of a 16 team playoff is dumb.
Like I'm not knowledgable on college football, but which teams are legitimately the best this year? I imagine most people would agree its Auburn and Oregon. Do Ok State, Missouri, V-Tech, Nevada, and Alabama all have an argument at being the best team in the country?
I think 4, maybe 6 could be okay, but any more just seems to be excessive. Do people really think a team like Oklahoma or Arkansas is the best team in the country?
I think the problem with 16 teams making the playoffs is that certain teams basically could schedule no one and just make it. Basically if you only need to be in the top 16, wouldn't it be too easy to condend and not make "every game important"?
Like I'm not knowledgable on college football, but which teams are legitimately the best this year? I imagine most people would agree its Auburn and Oregon. Do Ok State, Missouri, V-Tech, Nevada, and Alabama all have an argument at being the best team in the country?
I think 4, maybe 6 could be okay, but any more just seems to be excessive. Do people really think a team like Oklahoma or Arkansas is the best team in the country?
noles stomped a mudhole in the gators lol that all i care about college ball
I think the problem with 16 teams making the playoffs is that certain teams basically could schedule no one and just make it. Basically if you only need to be in the top 16, wouldn't it be too easy to condend and not make "every game important"?
Like I'm not knowledgable on college football, but which teams are legitimately the best this year? I imagine most people would agree its Auburn and Oregon. Do Ok State, Missouri, V-Tech, Nevada, and Alabama all have an argument at being the best team in the country?
I think 4, maybe 6 could be okay, but any more just seems to be excessive. Do people really think a team like Oklahoma or Arkansas is the best team in the country?
Teams schedule nobodies now and make it. That's why they don't play real non-conference games (aside from a few schools that actually do - this being the primary reason for where Miami sits in the polls - nowhere). They need to play the best teams in each conference against the best teams from the other conferences - and not just the one best team, either. In college ball, one loss pretty much kills your hopes of playing for a championship. Imagine that in the NFL. One loss and you're out. Would that be fair? I don't think so and I don't think it's fair in college, either. Fans from Ok State, Missouri, Va-Tech, Nevada and Alabama can all say their team is the best, we can disagree all we like, too. Thing is, unless you play the head to head games, it's impossible to know. So, for me, more teams in the playoffs makes more sense. A lot of these schools (well, their Athletic Directors) don't want to play a lot of these other schools. Make 'em.
EDIT: It's a lot like fighting, IMO. Nobody picked Franky Edgar to beat BJ Penn. Nobody. And he did. They gave Penn a rematch and guess what - nobody picked Edgar to beat Penn. He did. And convincingly, too. There's a saying that sums this up quite well, IMO: That's why they fight the fights. You need to actually do it to determine who the better party actually is. The more teams forced to face off, the better.
The problem with 16 team playoffs is that it doesn't reward teams enough for good seasons. The 16th best team in the nation shouldn't have equal footing as the 3rd best team. Also, since its "1 and done", the best teams won't always play in the National Championship game. It also would take a whole month of games which I don't know if its easy or not to add.
Honestly, I think with a 4 team playoff (or a +1 game), you should be able to determine which team was the best every year. And the bowls force the best teams from different conferences to play each other.
I really think people need to reward teams which schedule tough opponents. But the stupid mentality is that going undefeated is always the best. Losing but having quality wins should be considered better than going undefeated without beating top flight teams.
The thing is, the 16th place team won't have equal footing. They'll be bracketed last and have to face the first ranked team. So, it still matters where you finish. It's possible that the best team could lose its first playoff game and then not be able to continue, sure. Thing is, at least they'd have had a chance to try and prove it. With the BCS, you could be the best team and never have a shot at proving it cuz you could be left out of the championship game. And you could have had no chance of ever making it to that game, too. With the playoff, an undefeated or one loss team will qualify and then have a chance to prove if they really are the best. We've already had a National Champion crowned by the game and another annointed by the system itself. A playoff could kill that crap.
Another thing about an expansive playoff is that it would force more teams to play on hostile fields. A lot of conferences get jobbed by basically being forced to play bowl games in friendly to the opponent venues. Friendly in both weather and fan support. Hell, the friggin' Rose Bowl is where UCLA - a Pac 10 team - plays. That means all the Pac 10 plays there with USC playing every year. It's basically a home stadium for the Pac 10. As they're a traditional selection for the Rose Bowl BCS game, how the **** is that fair to the Big 10? A larger playoff would force more teams to have to play away from that sort of shelter. I'd prefer that.
Anyway, I can see your argument, but it seems excessive since most people typically can agree between 4 teams as the best (often times its 2 or 3). Also, it seems like with 16 teams, you'd get more of a situation where the regular season matters less.
I know its nowhere the same level, but I hate the situation in the NBA and NHL where basically any team that's half decent (plus some not half-decent teams) make the playoffs. Its like the entire regular season is just for seeding. If you have 16 teams make the BCS playoffs, then that's over half of the ranked teams in the country. I imagine some big conference teams with multiple losses could make it in so it kind of makes each game less important.
But in all honestly, I don't really care that much about NCAA sports.
The whole 25 ranked teams thing is misleading. There's like 117 or more NCAA football teams. There's 32 NFL teams. It just doesn't make sense, IMO, to have a playoff with less teams than what the NFL uses. Anyhoo, it's all moot anyway cuz the BCS makes too much money as is.
Oh, I heard the MLB is gonna expand the playoffs again. A hundred some games and they won't really mean jack. I can understand not wanting a pointless situation like the NBA and soon to be MLB but they don't have anywhere near the amount of teams NCAA football does. I just think it's a different enough animal to warrant it.
I think the problem with 16 teams making the playoffs is that certain teams basically could schedule no one and just make it. Basically if you only need to be in the top 16, wouldn't it be too easy to condend and not make "every game important"?
Like I'm not knowledgable on college football, but which teams are legitimately the best this year? I imagine most people would agree its Auburn and Oregon. Do Ok State, Missouri, V-Tech, Nevada, and Alabama all have an argument at being the best team in the country?
I think 4, maybe 6 could be okay, but any more just seems to be excessive. Do people really think a team like Oklahoma or Arkansas is the best team in the country?
Teams schedule nobodies now and make it. That's why they don't play real non-conference games (aside from a few schools that actually do - this being the primary reason for where Miami sits in the polls - nowhere). They need to play the best teams in each conference against the best teams from the other conferences - and not just the one best team, either. In college ball, one loss pretty much kills your hopes of playing for a championship. Imagine that in the NFL. One loss and you're out. Would that be fair? I don't think so and I don't think it's fair in college, either. Fans from Ok State, Missouri, Va-Tech, Nevada and Alabama can all say their team is the best, we can disagree all we like, too. Thing is, unless you play the head to head games, it's impossible to know. So, for me, more teams in the playoffs makes more sense. A lot of these schools (well, their Athletic Directors) don't want to play a lot of these other schools. Make 'em.
I've always hated the scheduling of nobodies, but we need it, and here's why:
Boise State, Utah, TCU, and a handful of other sometimes notable teams were all NOBODIES. Do you think anyone would give a damn about Boise State if they hadn't knocked off Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl? No, never in a million years.
This is why teams like LSU (my college) bother playing Tulane, McNeese St., Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe and Louisiana Tech. On the one hand, we get essensially a week off, where as they get a chance to play a worthwhile team, earn a little money for making the trip, and, if they get a win, they get the national spotlight for a week or two (or in the case of a team like Appalacian State, the next 100 years or so)
They're cupcakes added to pad the schedule with wins and/or tune up games before real games. The fact that they have to pay these small schools to do it is just a bonus for the li'l guys. It allows BCS apologists to tout the virtues of the system and to call its revenue 'sharing' fair cuz, see, the li'l guy gets money, too. You know, to be embarrassed on national television while a major program shows off for the pollsters.
Sadly, this was TCU's schedule, -Oregon State, and maybe -Baylor and -Utah. Plus they didn't have to pay the schools for coming out. Glad to see they're going to the Big East, mostly because of how badly the Big 12 10 dropped the ball. Despite the fact the Big East is a bunch of semi-crap schools, TCU will have a hard time travelling that far for road games.
Regarding the MLB addition of playoff teams. Its yet to be unveiled, but the idea is that they'll add one additional wildcard team in each league. That'll up the total playoff teams from each league to 5 (10 total teams). It'll still be much less than the other major sports (raw number and percentage).
MLB - 10 out of 30 teams or 33.3%
NFL - 12 out of 32 teams or 37.5%
NHL - 16 out of 30 teams or 53.3%
NBA - 16 out of 30 teams or 53.3%
And the rumor is that the two wildcard teams will play each other in a best of 3 weekend series before playing the top seed. This was designed to further punish wildcard teams and further reward the top seed. I actually think it'll make the regular season more important since wildcard teams will be at a massive disadvantage. But this is all speculation until they actually releas how they'll handle the playoff expansion. I think it'll be better if they use a similar system.
So do you think we'll see a playoff team in the NFL with a losing record this year?
I actually thought we would have, but it looks like the Chiefs are going to protect the AFC West and the Rams look decent enough to have a winning record. I haven't really looked at the schedule, but I think it'll be okay. 3 or 4 weeks ago, it was looking bad!
They really should implement a rule that if a division winner is under .500, they lose their spot and a third wildcard is awarded. I'm not sure if it happens enough, but it should be there. That'll be a shame if the Rams wind up 7-9 (and winning the West) and one of the Giants/Packers/Saints get left out with over 10 wins.
My money is on the Cards.
the cardinals really do go out of their way to show just how much of a joke the nfc west is don't they?
Congrats Arizona... you remind me that as horrible as the Can'ts are this year. They are still better than the NFC West.
Oh, and Browns suck.
That's all.
.... we don't have a football team.
That's all.
I like you Cap'n, so I won't rub it in too bad....
Steelers lookin' good!
I have 3 teams.
All 3 made it to the playoffs.
2 got beat in the playoffs.
My final team ended up winning the Super Bowl!
I should start doing this for money!
...oh yeah, it ends around Christmas time, I remember now.
...oh yeah, it ends around Christmas time, I remember now.
You'll have your revenge in 2012 :D
Browns suck.
Good.
Cuz the Steelers play them next...
Lost in the playoffs with 2 of my teams...
But I won the Super Bowl with my 3rd.
Not too bad...
Things we need to do with draft:
1) Improve the Oline. It's true Favre looked old this year but he also didn't have the protection that he had last year.
2) Improve the defensive line but mostly need help in the secondary.
3) Use free agency to get a veteran QB to compete with Joe "Spiderman" Webb for the starting position.
Speaking of Webb, the kid gots skillz. With experience he could be one hell of a quarterback, at the very least we know he's better than Tavaris Jackson.
I'd take a Favre that needs a walker to get around, before I'd even consider Ole' Jimmy boy as a bench warmer.
I know the Eagles didn't show up but still I had fun. LOL!!!
Old as Favre looked, he'd still be the best QB Carolina would ever have, if he came over here.
I'd take a Favre that needs a walker to get around, before I'd even consider Ole' Jimmy boy as a bench warmer.
Dood, I just played some Madden the other day and picked the Cats as my foe. Apparently Moore is one awesome mutha
QB. Lol,
I know the Eagles didn't show up but still I had fun. LOL!!!
You suck!
Old as Favre looked, he'd still be the best QB Carolina would ever have, if he came over here.
I'd take a Favre that needs a walker to get around, before I'd even consider Ole' Jimmy boy as a bench warmer.
The problem with the Vikings keeping Favre is we need to overhaul the o-line and that necessitates that he show up for training camp and as beat up as he is I just don't see that happening.
If some other team takes him (if he decides to comeback) then I'm sure he could play if he's protected.
That's all one big IF though, because there really isn't any reason to comeback other than a Superbowl. His streak is over which was the one record that wasn't set till this year. If he plays for another team, I'm sure they'll have to be contenders or he won't even talk to them and all the "contenders" already have franchise QB's.
I just don't see him coming back but if he does then I wish him luck.
General conditioning sure but I don't think there was actual training going on. (which is utterly unexcusable with Rookies which is what that ****** stuck us with)
If Moore gets to stay (and he got beat up alot this year too.... which really hurt his performance. Kind of hard to actually play when your protection is non existent, you have no one worth throwing to, and your coach didn't come up with any kind of plays to practice with) and I hope he does, we better totally rebuild the damn team. This is a sorry bunch of losers we have right now with a loser of a coach. (and I hope we can the GM too while we are at it) Keep, Kasey, Smith, Gamble, Beason, the Double Trouble, and Moore. Fire Everyone Else ASAP.
Idolis; I think we could see him next year. If the Vikes build around him, and force him to show up for practice. I think Favre would even do it, because he really does want One More Ring.
The problem with the Vikings keeping Favre is we need to overhaul the o-line and that necessitates that he show up for training camp and as beat up as he is I just don't see that happening.
If some other team takes him (if he decides to comeback) then I'm sure he could play if he's protected.
That's all one big IF though, because there really isn't any reason to comeback other than a Superbowl. His streak is over which was the one record that wasn't set till this year. If he plays for another team, I'm sure they'll have to be contenders or he won't even talk to them and all the "contenders" already have franchise QB's.
I just don't see him coming back but if he does then I wish him luck.
Allegedly he's said he's done. And that's something he's never, ever, ever done before.
ZB: Moore is an awesome QB... unfortunately he has One person to throw to. And we had a coach this year that was more of a couchwarmer than coach. With as bad as the cats have played this year my guess is they didn't actually train plays at camp.
General conditioning sure but I don't think there was actual training going on. (which is utterly unexcusable with Rookies which is what that ****** stuck us with)
If Moore gets to stay (and he got beat up alot this year too.... which really hurt his performance. Kind of hard to actually play when your protection is non existent, you have no one worth throwing to, and your coach didn't come up with any kind of plays to practice with) and I hope he does, we better totally rebuild the damn team. This is a sorry bunch of losers we have right now with a loser of a coach. (and I hope we can the GM too while we are at it) Keep, Kasey, Smith, Gamble, Beason, the Double Trouble, and Moore. Fire Everyone Else ASAP.
Well that explains why he was carvin' my ass up worse than anybody else I played. Thank god I was playin' Green Bay and the game didn't know (since I'm playin' exhibition mode to practice) that Grant was hurt. Heh.
Micha,
Yeah, he could come back and if he's forced to come to training camp then things could be a lot better next year.
The thing is, the fans are getting behind Webb and he's much more mobile than Brett. If you build your line for a pocket passer and he gets hurt and his back up is more like Vick that's a tough transition for those big linemen you got to protect Brett to make.
I would love to see him play again but I'm with the other fans that just like to watch Webb play. Oh well, I'm hoping there won't be a lot of drama in the off season but with Brett and a unknown like Webb how can there not be. LOL.
Are they using the 09 Cats? (if so that explains alot really... because once we told Jake The Shake to Gohomme we went on a Winning streak against all the "best" teams last year) And if they are using the 09 cats maybe I should pick up madden myself.....
I have no idea. It's Madden11 so I doubt it. I think it's more that the game was built on expectations and then reality happend and makes it look sorta silly. Heh.
Because after that big Super Sunday rush wears off, its just months and months of no NFL, and only baseball to keep you company.
So here's to Week 17. It's been a weird, wild season.
GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blank you!
Go Niners!! Make good draft picks!!
What I think is gonna happen: Pats and Ain'ts. Pats win. I so, so hope I'm totally wrong.