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#1

EscherEnigma

Apr 26, 2011 19:01:47
[Your principal is just being "paternal" when he tells you to stop wearing heels and act more like a boy should]

In other news, the principal wanted to avoid a distraction.  Well, now he's got reporters, national attention and Dan Savage put his e-mail up for his flying monkey army.  Distraction ahoy.
#2

bone_naga

Apr 26, 2011 19:23:09
If there was name-calling, why isn't the faculty dealing with the bullies instead of the target? Besides, if the names were bothering the boy, he can choose to take those shoes off whenever he wants. If he wants to keep wearing them, obviously the other kids aren't bothering him that much.
#3

goblin_pride

Apr 26, 2011 19:44:04
   The question I would ask is about whether the same shoes would be acceptable on a female student. If the answer is in the affirmative, the problem is evident.

  The young man that feels comfortable in heels should wear them. The students harassing him should be disciplined. The principal should be given a copy of the constitution and locked in a room until he understands that first amendment thing, assuming the school doesn't have a uniform code.
#4

goblin_pride

Apr 26, 2011 19:59:14
Hopefully he won't also bring a Bible in that room.



   I'm a firm believer that a bible has no place in a school. However, I will yield that point if all other religious beliefs are also represented. Children are in schools to be educated, not indoctrinated. They don't need god to do mathematics.
#5

homicidal_squirrel

Apr 26, 2011 22:34:55
Someone needs to get rif of this principle. The guy is an idiot.

"As a principal of a high school, I have to take the paternal side and make sure he's going to be okay,"

He ws making sure the kid didn't twist his ankle and get hurt. 

"Anytime anyone goes out from, quote, 'the norm' or anytime anyone wants to make a statement, you have to be willing to take what comes with it."

Exactly. Blame the vitim. It's his fault.

"One boy wore a dress on Monday and after we chatted about it, he decided not to," said Heilmann, saying that boy went and changed his clothes. "I was concerned about his safety."

Well isn't that special? He is concerned about the kid's safety, not about the kids who are possibly going to attack another student. 
#6

MechaPilot

Apr 26, 2011 23:09:45
I believe the principal was being "paternal".  He freaked out when one of his boys wore heels.  What could be more modernly "paternal" than that?
#7

EscherEnigma

Apr 26, 2011 23:27:06
How about what my dad did when I crossdressed at school?

"... you're sure about this?"
#8

MechaPilot

Apr 26, 2011 23:34:53
How about what my dad did when I crossdressed at school?

"... you're sure about this?"



I don't think that counts as freaking out.  Most fathers freak out.  Hell, most fathers freak out when their kids play with dolls after a certain age.
#9

EscherEnigma

Apr 27, 2011 0:28:29
I was presenting my father's paternal response as an appropriate one to a "freak out", not as an example of a "freak out".
#10

ADHadh

Apr 27, 2011 5:33:30
   The question I would ask is about whether the same shoes would be acceptable on a female student. (...)


In schools I was in they weren't. That's an important question.
#11

pluisjen

Apr 27, 2011 5:43:18
I don't think they'd have made such a fuss if the shoes weren't allowed, period. It certainly sounds like they're making that fuss because the shoes aren't allowed since he's a boy.

Other then that I've little to add to what's been said. People should be allowed to wear whatever makes them feel comfortable and if anyone makes a problem of that, that person is the issue, not the one wearing something unusual.

(Exceptions might be made for clothing that is intentionally offense or distasteful, but if there's any student in a school you could see wearing it without getting in trouble, nobody should get in trouble for wearing it) 
#12

jesse.two.coins

Apr 27, 2011 6:45:07
thats why I wear these.

#13

jesse.two.coins

Apr 27, 2011 7:23:56
I like wearing nice shoes



like driving mocs!!!!
#14

pluisjen

Apr 27, 2011 7:32:23
I wear these. Not that it matters.

#15

jesse.two.coins

Apr 27, 2011 7:41:10
jesus :0
#16

pluisjen

Apr 27, 2011 7:42:54
No, he wore these:

 
#17

Cpt_Micha

Apr 27, 2011 7:43:19
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I have the steel toed version naturally but yeah.
#18

EscherEnigma

Apr 27, 2011 8:23:58
Mine are something like
 
#19

Mr.Durriken

Apr 27, 2011 10:00:43

If there was name-calling, why isn't the faculty dealing with the bullies instead of the target? Besides, if the names were bothering the boy, he can choose to take those shoes off whenever he wants. If he wants to keep wearing them, obviously the other kids aren't bothering him that much.


I have 2 kids in elementary school and I can tell you factually that while the retoric from the school is big on anti-bully, the practice from the great majority of the faculty is not.  They taught early not to be a tattle-tale, it's ingrained in them starting in K. The principle don't want to deal with issues, they want to maintain the status-quo.  They like the stereotype and groups and cliques.


Both my kids have had issues.  Fortunately my son's teach is not just retoric.  She has been fantastic.  My daughter has not had the same.  But she fought back, verbally, finally and the bully backed off big time.   I got my kids' back though.


TjD



#20

ADHadh

Apr 27, 2011 10:05:18
Now that it's warm I wear casual sneakers. But I like when girls wear those:
#21

Jharii

Apr 27, 2011 11:31:34
www.amazon.com/Caterpillar-Mens-Shift-Pl...


I have the steel toed version naturally but yeah.

I have me some steel-toed Cats myself.  I've had them for about 15 years.  They're still in awesome shape.  If only Doc Marten's would last that long...
#22

LMTRK

Apr 27, 2011 11:53:41
It doesnt say how old the "boy" is (12? 16? 18?), but I am surprised that high-heels are allowed at all in the school, worn by girls or boys.

~ Tim
#23

zombie_babies

Apr 27, 2011 12:16:53
I wear Skechers cuz the look cool, are comfortable and last a satisfactory amount of time.  I may have to stop, though, if I can't find a pair of Skechers boots again.  I have to have ankle support due to a janky wheel.
#24

EscherEnigma

Apr 27, 2011 13:18:07
Convert to the cowboy boot, ZB... you know you want to.
#25

zombie_babies

Apr 27, 2011 13:20:41
Nah, I likes me my Skechers.  If I can't find a low boot in them, I'll find something else.  Besides, I hunt and drive a pickup.  If I wear cowboy boots people will really think I like country music.  And I can't have that.  Just can't.
#26

shiningwolf88

Apr 27, 2011 13:44:32
...I like how this thread started out as a discussion on the freedom of choice in regards to apparel, and is now more about what people wear...

now that I said that, these
www.amazon.com/adidas-Samba-Classic-Socc...
rock
#27

homicidal_squirrel

Apr 27, 2011 14:20:45
Pffft... All those pictures look like foot coffins... except for the flip-flops.
#28

EscherEnigma

Apr 27, 2011 14:23:05
If I wear cowboy boots people will really think I like country music.  And I can't have that.  Just can't.


Now why would they do that?  I wear cowboy boots, blue jeans, leather belt with cowboy belt buckle (compelete with tucked in shirt so you can see it) and occasionally a bola tie.  And while I don't really wear "cowboy style shirts", I don't wear shirts that go against the grain either.

And I've never run into someone assumes I like country music.

...I like how this thread started out as a discussion on the freedom of choice in regards to apparel, and is now more about what people wear...


That's the OTT for you.
#29

zombie_babies

Apr 27, 2011 14:34:57
[Now why would they do that?  I wear cowboy boots, blue jeans, leather belt with cowboy belt buckle (compelete with tucked in shirt so you can see it) and occasionally a bola tie.  And while I don't really wear "cowboy style shirts", I don't wear shirts that go against the grain either.

And I've never run into someone assumes I like country music.



Cuz people are idiots.  I mean, people actually like country music.  If that ain't evidence enough, I don't know what is. 
#30

Timmeh

Apr 27, 2011 14:36:43
[Now why would they do that?  I wear cowboy boots, blue jeans, leather belt with cowboy belt buckle (compelete with tucked in shirt so you can see it) and occasionally a bola tie.  And while I don't really wear "cowboy style shirts", I don't wear shirts that go against the grain either.

And I've never run into someone assumes I like country music.



Cuz people are idiots.  I mean, people actually like country music.  If that ain't evidence enough, I don't know what is. 



You need more than someone singing in order for something to be music. You need someone on an instrument who is actively participating in the song.
#31

zombie_babies

Apr 27, 2011 14:38:34
You need more than someone singing in order for something to be music. You need someone on an instrument who is actively participating in the song.



I have no idea what this has to do with anything.  In short, well done.
#32

Timmeh

Apr 27, 2011 14:42:07
You need more than someone singing in order for something to be music. You need someone on an instrument who is actively participating in the song.



I have no idea what this has to do with anything.  In short, well done.



You said country music :D

But yeah, you're right, my bad.
#33

zombie_babies

Apr 27, 2011 14:44:22
I think I'm startin' to follow this train of thought now.  I'm ... I'm gonna stop. 
#34

MechaPilot

Apr 27, 2011 19:12:36
I was presenting my father's paternal response as an appropriate one to a "freak out", not as an example of a "freak out".


I figured you might be, but appropriate doesn't mean common.  A LOT of people freak out as a first response to that kind of thing.