Awesome.
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Still, to be able to actually see a living mammoth would be awesome if they can keep it alive.
I don't think reintroduction would be all that wonderful an idea. The world has changed ever so slightly since mammoths last walked it. It's simply not built to support them any longer. Less so to support gigantic predators.
Yup, a few lab kept ones would be enough.
I saw this article earlier - like I said on the other site, when I win the lottery I'm gonna have them clone me one, then go hunt it with a sharp stick, eat me some mammoth steaks, dance around the fire wearing it's fur and then roll me some hand-carved mammoth-ivory scrimshaw dice...
I saw this article earlier - like I said on the other site, when I win the lottery I'm gonna have them clone me one, then go hunt it with a sharp stick, eat me some mammoth steaks, dance around the fire wearing it's fur and then roll me some hand-carved mammoth-ivory scrimshaw dice...
My plans precisely. Now could you please get the **** out of my head?
My plans precisely. Now could you please get the **** out of my head?
No. Finders keepers - they're my marbles now...
Mostly really cool, but also slighty disturbing.
But I would also really like to try a Mammoth burger please.
There's an SF novel that I read where they had colonized the moon and a couple planets, then some alien civilization with incredible technology scoured the earth clean of humans, established their own colony there and on Jupiter itself. We just kinda stayed clear of them, as there was literally nothing we could do about it.
Well, up on the moon they had a few of the cloned dinosaurs, and a popular food was "brontosaurus burger." That touch was silly, but otherwise pretty dern good novel.
There's an SF novel that I read where they had colonized the moon and a couple planets, then some alien civilization with incredible technology scoured the earth clean of humans, established their own colony there and on Jupiter itself. We just kinda stayed clear of them, as there was literally nothing we could do about it.
Well, up on the moon they had a few of the cloned dinosaurs, and a popular food was "brontosaurus burger." That touch was silly, but otherwise pretty dern good novel.
omg lol what was the name?
There's an SF novel that I read where they had colonized the moon and a couple planets, then some alien civilization with incredible technology scoured the earth clean of humans, established their own colony there and on Jupiter itself. We just kinda stayed clear of them, as there was literally nothing we could do about it.
Well, up on the moon they had a few of the cloned dinosaurs, and a popular food was "brontosaurus burger." That touch was silly, but otherwise pretty dern good novel.
omg lol what was the name?
"The Golden Globe," by John Varley.
But I'm betting that like nearly all stories involving clones this'll turn out badly in the end....
Hmm. Sounds cool.
But I'm betting that like nearly all stories involving clones this'll turn out badly in the end....
Well... it did have to do with clones, but mostly it was a former actor on the run for murder and his quest for identity. It was interesting enough, and the cloning of dinosaurs was just background stuff. It didn't really have anything to do with the storyline. Well... okay, nevermind. I'll say no more. It's no Jurassic Park, let's put it that way. The dinosaurs were not the important part of the story.
and then i will be happy to finally have decent-sized portions of food.
you do know this will eventually create a new fast food chain of called "Mammoth Burgers", where their small is someone's supersized.
and then i will be happy to finally have decent-sized portions of food.
One can only hope.
you do know this will eventually create a new fast food chain of called "Mammoth Burgers", where their small is someone's supersized.
and then i will be happy to finally have decent-sized portions of food.
Sounds like a good idea. I don't much like fast food though, so a real restauraunt would be preferred by me.
I'd prefer a T-Rex, a real Brute but its a start.
Cloning a Mammoth ? Cool.
I'd prefer a T-Rex, a real Brute but its a start.
I agree. Now go find them some DNA to use!
(How did they get Mammoth one ?)
At least; that's what I know and remember about it.
you do know this will eventually create a new fast food chain of called "Mammoth Burgers", where their small is someone's supersized.
and then i will be happy to finally have decent-sized portions of food.
Sounds like a good idea. I don't much like fast food though, so a real restauraunt would be preferred by me.
yes but a fast food chain would allow them to cross-promote with an IP like once-mighty Flintstones.
an actual restaurant, not so much. which is a shame, because i like restaurants over fast food too.
As for the Raelans, I don't look for a clone of Yah'shua any time soon. I'll look for His arrival as detailed in Acts 1 (fifth book of the New Testament, for those of you who don't know).
Have none of these people read Jurassic Park? or seen the movie of the same name? or any of the sequels? This is clearly not a good idea.
Movies are always making things seem worse than they really are. I'm sure you could get a Velociraptor as a pet. They would probably be very cuddly.
As long as they include some sort of genetic failsafe in the dino's cloned DNA to prevent horrific rampages, I'm fine with everyone owning their own pet raptor.
Have none of these people read Jurassic Park? or seen the movie of the same name? or any of the sequels? This is clearly not a good idea.
As for the Raelans, I don't look for a clone of Yah'shua any time soon. I'll look for His arrival as detailed in Acts 1 (fifth book of the New Testament, for those of you who don't know).
Well even if a computer programmer shuts down all the security systems in a failed attempt at corporate espionage, I can at least take comfort in the fact that the mammoth won't try to eat me.
If it's a bull mammoth in musth it'll probably try to kill you, but at least it won't digest you.
Trying to eat you would be a kindness compared to what it would try to do.
If it's a bull mammoth in musth it'll probably try to kill you, but at least it won't digest you.
Trying to eat you would be a kindness compared to what it would try to do.
Gore you, trample you, pull you apart limb from limb in a elephantine fit of teenaged angst? Or worst of all, use you as an oversized Q-Tip to clean out its ears?
If it's a bull mammoth in musth it'll probably try to kill you, but at least it won't digest you.
Trying to eat you would be a kindness compared to what it would try to do.
Gore you, trample you, pull you apart limb from limb in a elephantine fit of teenaged angst? Or worst of all, use you as an oversized Q-Tip to clean out its ears?
That's the worst thing you can think of? Innocent child, I will not be the one to corrupt you.
Fossilized bones don't generally carry complete DNA as far as I know.
That's true. : P
Add to that 65 million years (in the case of the oldest dinosaurs) of molecular decay. DNA on the outside of bone is hundreds of years old at the oldest. And inside of bone, some nucleotides can remain, but its severely fragmented. In the case of the Tyrannosaurus Rex bone where they thought they found DNA remnants and what they thought was collagen (a binding protein that holds various parts of the body together), it turned out to be slime and DNA fragments from bacteria that had seeped into the bone (the same for the red coloration inside). But even if it weren't, the fragments they found were still so broken up and decayed that there was nothing useful left of the DNA code. (As a piece of trivial knowledge, based on a misconstruction of the peer reviewed papers and a decades' long game of internet copy-and-paste "telephone"/"chinese whispers," its the same specimen that young earth creationists will tout as having been unfossilized, containing flecks of blood, and having had "fresh meat inside the bone"... even though the paper and examinations by experts said nothing of the sort.)
They usually get complete DNA strains from creatures frozen whole
Not necessarilly. You can get nuclear DNA (baring in mind that your cells' DNA is in the nucleus) from bones and teeth, or preserved hair or skin. If you don't have enough, or the nuclear DNA is contaminated, you can also get DNA from the mitochondria of your cells. We've done it with various neanderthal specimens, and to my knowledge, very few if any were frozen. However, frozen, as far as my understanding, doesn't hurt. : P
or from mosquitos that snacked on dinos and then got perfectly preserved in treesap,
Actually, you'd have assloads of contamination from the gut of the mosquito, as well as bacterial and viral DNA in said gut. The digestive enzymes would also have begun a process of deamination, where the body breaks down DNA, RNA, proteins, and other nucleotide sequences to build into more DNA, RNA, proteins, and other assorted nucleotide sequences. By the time the mosquito would have been preserved, the DNA would have been too severely broken up to use. Add to that 65 million years again for molecular breakdown, and you're in the same boat as leaving DNA samples out to dry for the same amount of time.
See, as far as contamination the problem lies in the DNA amplification process called PCR (polymerase chain reaction). PCR uses a combination of heat and DNA polymerase to copy DNA to where you have enough to test or experiment with. The problem isn't so much the method itself, because its very, very accurate, but in that it amplifies contaminant DNA sequences too. To keep a long story from much longer, contaminant DNA in the samples can otherwise botch testing and experimentation by giving false results, or kill whatever it is you might be trying to clone.
As a matter of fact, on my YouTube channel, I once did a video explaining this same problem with the cloning methods in Jurassic Park. : )
(Hey guys, long time no see. Been busy with the new girlfriend. Life is awesome.
(Hey guys, long time no see. Been busy with the new girlfriend. Life is awesome.
I was wondering where you had gone off to. Now if you could make your way over to the "Dude, you're related to her..." thread.
Still, to be able to actually see a living mammoth would be awesome if they can keep it alive.
I don't think reintroduction would be all that wonderful an idea. The world has changed ever so slightly since mammoths last walked it. It's simply not built to support them any longer. Less so to support gigantic predators.
Yup, a few lab kept ones would be enough.
I saw this article earlier - like I said on the other site, when I win the lottery I'm gonna have them clone me one, then go hunt it with a sharp stick, eat me some mammoth steaks, dance around the fire wearing it's fur and then roll me some hand-carved mammoth-ivory scrimshaw dice...
I saw this article earlier - like I said on the other site, when I win the lottery I'm gonna have them clone me one, then go hunt it with a sharp stick, eat me some mammoth steaks, dance around the fire wearing it's fur and then roll me some hand-carved mammoth-ivory scrimshaw dice...
My plans precisely. Now could you please get the **** out of my head?
My plans precisely. Now could you please get the **** out of my head?
No. Finders keepers - they're my marbles now...
Mostly really cool, but also slighty disturbing.
But I would also really like to try a Mammoth burger please.
There's an SF novel that I read where they had colonized the moon and a couple planets, then some alien civilization with incredible technology scoured the earth clean of humans, established their own colony there and on Jupiter itself. We just kinda stayed clear of them, as there was literally nothing we could do about it.
Well, up on the moon they had a few of the cloned dinosaurs, and a popular food was "brontosaurus burger." That touch was silly, but otherwise pretty dern good novel.
There's an SF novel that I read where they had colonized the moon and a couple planets, then some alien civilization with incredible technology scoured the earth clean of humans, established their own colony there and on Jupiter itself. We just kinda stayed clear of them, as there was literally nothing we could do about it.
Well, up on the moon they had a few of the cloned dinosaurs, and a popular food was "brontosaurus burger." That touch was silly, but otherwise pretty dern good novel.
omg lol what was the name?
There's an SF novel that I read where they had colonized the moon and a couple planets, then some alien civilization with incredible technology scoured the earth clean of humans, established their own colony there and on Jupiter itself. We just kinda stayed clear of them, as there was literally nothing we could do about it.
Well, up on the moon they had a few of the cloned dinosaurs, and a popular food was "brontosaurus burger." That touch was silly, but otherwise pretty dern good novel.
omg lol what was the name?
"The Golden Globe," by John Varley.
But I'm betting that like nearly all stories involving clones this'll turn out badly in the end....
Hmm. Sounds cool.
But I'm betting that like nearly all stories involving clones this'll turn out badly in the end....
Well... it did have to do with clones, but mostly it was a former actor on the run for murder and his quest for identity. It was interesting enough, and the cloning of dinosaurs was just background stuff. It didn't really have anything to do with the storyline. Well... okay, nevermind. I'll say no more. It's no Jurassic Park, let's put it that way. The dinosaurs were not the important part of the story.
and then i will be happy to finally have decent-sized portions of food.
you do know this will eventually create a new fast food chain of called "Mammoth Burgers", where their small is someone's supersized.
and then i will be happy to finally have decent-sized portions of food.
One can only hope.
you do know this will eventually create a new fast food chain of called "Mammoth Burgers", where their small is someone's supersized.
and then i will be happy to finally have decent-sized portions of food.
Sounds like a good idea. I don't much like fast food though, so a real restauraunt would be preferred by me.
I'd prefer a T-Rex, a real Brute but its a start.
Cloning a Mammoth ? Cool.
I'd prefer a T-Rex, a real Brute but its a start.
I agree. Now go find them some DNA to use!
(How did they get Mammoth one ?)
At least; that's what I know and remember about it.
you do know this will eventually create a new fast food chain of called "Mammoth Burgers", where their small is someone's supersized.
and then i will be happy to finally have decent-sized portions of food.
Sounds like a good idea. I don't much like fast food though, so a real restauraunt would be preferred by me.
yes but a fast food chain would allow them to cross-promote with an IP like once-mighty Flintstones.
an actual restaurant, not so much. which is a shame, because i like restaurants over fast food too.
As for the Raelans, I don't look for a clone of Yah'shua any time soon. I'll look for His arrival as detailed in Acts 1 (fifth book of the New Testament, for those of you who don't know).
Have none of these people read Jurassic Park? or seen the movie of the same name? or any of the sequels? This is clearly not a good idea.
Movies are always making things seem worse than they really are. I'm sure you could get a Velociraptor as a pet. They would probably be very cuddly.
As long as they include some sort of genetic failsafe in the dino's cloned DNA to prevent horrific rampages, I'm fine with everyone owning their own pet raptor.
Have none of these people read Jurassic Park? or seen the movie of the same name? or any of the sequels? This is clearly not a good idea.
As for the Raelans, I don't look for a clone of Yah'shua any time soon. I'll look for His arrival as detailed in Acts 1 (fifth book of the New Testament, for those of you who don't know).
Well even if a computer programmer shuts down all the security systems in a failed attempt at corporate espionage, I can at least take comfort in the fact that the mammoth won't try to eat me.
If it's a bull mammoth in musth it'll probably try to kill you, but at least it won't digest you.
Trying to eat you would be a kindness compared to what it would try to do.
If it's a bull mammoth in musth it'll probably try to kill you, but at least it won't digest you.
Trying to eat you would be a kindness compared to what it would try to do.
Gore you, trample you, pull you apart limb from limb in a elephantine fit of teenaged angst? Or worst of all, use you as an oversized Q-Tip to clean out its ears?
If it's a bull mammoth in musth it'll probably try to kill you, but at least it won't digest you.
Trying to eat you would be a kindness compared to what it would try to do.
Gore you, trample you, pull you apart limb from limb in a elephantine fit of teenaged angst? Or worst of all, use you as an oversized Q-Tip to clean out its ears?
That's the worst thing you can think of? Innocent child, I will not be the one to corrupt you.
Fossilized bones don't generally carry complete DNA as far as I know.
That's true. : P
Add to that 65 million years (in the case of the oldest dinosaurs) of molecular decay. DNA on the outside of bone is hundreds of years old at the oldest. And inside of bone, some nucleotides can remain, but its severely fragmented. In the case of the Tyrannosaurus Rex bone where they thought they found DNA remnants and what they thought was collagen (a binding protein that holds various parts of the body together), it turned out to be slime and DNA fragments from bacteria that had seeped into the bone (the same for the red coloration inside). But even if it weren't, the fragments they found were still so broken up and decayed that there was nothing useful left of the DNA code. (As a piece of trivial knowledge, based on a misconstruction of the peer reviewed papers and a decades' long game of internet copy-and-paste "telephone"/"chinese whispers," its the same specimen that young earth creationists will tout as having been unfossilized, containing flecks of blood, and having had "fresh meat inside the bone"... even though the paper and examinations by experts said nothing of the sort.)
They usually get complete DNA strains from creatures frozen whole
Not necessarilly. You can get nuclear DNA (baring in mind that your cells' DNA is in the nucleus) from bones and teeth, or preserved hair or skin. If you don't have enough, or the nuclear DNA is contaminated, you can also get DNA from the mitochondria of your cells. We've done it with various neanderthal specimens, and to my knowledge, very few if any were frozen. However, frozen, as far as my understanding, doesn't hurt. : P
or from mosquitos that snacked on dinos and then got perfectly preserved in treesap,
Actually, you'd have assloads of contamination from the gut of the mosquito, as well as bacterial and viral DNA in said gut. The digestive enzymes would also have begun a process of deamination, where the body breaks down DNA, RNA, proteins, and other nucleotide sequences to build into more DNA, RNA, proteins, and other assorted nucleotide sequences. By the time the mosquito would have been preserved, the DNA would have been too severely broken up to use. Add to that 65 million years again for molecular breakdown, and you're in the same boat as leaving DNA samples out to dry for the same amount of time.
See, as far as contamination the problem lies in the DNA amplification process called PCR (polymerase chain reaction). PCR uses a combination of heat and DNA polymerase to copy DNA to where you have enough to test or experiment with. The problem isn't so much the method itself, because its very, very accurate, but in that it amplifies contaminant DNA sequences too. To keep a long story from much longer, contaminant DNA in the samples can otherwise botch testing and experimentation by giving false results, or kill whatever it is you might be trying to clone.
As a matter of fact, on my YouTube channel, I once did a video explaining this same problem with the cloning methods in Jurassic Park. : )
(Hey guys, long time no see. Been busy with the new girlfriend. Life is awesome.
(Hey guys, long time no see. Been busy with the new girlfriend. Life is awesome.
I was wondering where you had gone off to. Now if you could make your way over to the "Dude, you're related to her..." thread.