I also get tired of talking about makeup all the time, so I understand your point, but I just thought I'd share.
Now that I've got your attention, I'll get right to it: many of us find it hard to spell 'rogue' correctly, and I've found a solution. If you're not sure how to spell it 'properly,' spell it as ROGE. Heck, spell it as ROGE even if you do remember the 'proper' spelling! 'Cause let's be honest; a U has no place in that word, unless we're creating a slang term for a small elemental man who acts outside the social norms of his people.
Oh man, i play a rouge and i get tried of only rolling a single dice to attak. Im at my wits end - can some1 help? I tryed to get work so I could by more books but they told me my engish was to poor. Its rediculus. Mayby i should play a drude?
Thread over.
Oh man, i play a rouge and i get tried of only rolling a single dice to attak. Im at my wits end - can some1 help? I tryed to get work so I could by more books but they told me my engish was to poor. Its rediculus. Mayby i should play a drude?
Well played, sir. Well played.
How about Rohg?
That would mean it sounds like wrog
@ the OP: Why not just call it 'Thief' and get on with our lives?
Rogue should be spelled as "Rōg".
Thread over.
You're totally right, but most people don't know how to type in that line over hard vowels. Incidentally, how do you do that?
Why not just call it 'Thief' and get on with our lives?
Because nobody ever spells theif wrong.
That would mean it sounds like wrog
@ the OP: Why not just call it 'Thief' and get on with our lives?
"Theif". Problem un-solved.
You're totally right, but most people don't know how to type in that line over hard vowels. Incidentally, how do you do that?
Truth? I copy/pasted from Wikipedia. :P
I know there some simple way to do it, but I don't know what it is...
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
I nominate Roag for the new spelling. It has a fantasy vibe to it.
Ah, I see the potential for bad jokes already...
"What happens to a roag struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else."
You damn Americans, always taking the U out of words!
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
I will second that!
I will second that!
No way. We wold never take the U's ot of words. That's jst rde.
I will second that!
I will also secound that.
You damn Americans, always taking the U out of words!
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
4th'd it seems. Now, I say we go burn the white house again to show them a lesson.
Seriously though, if you misspell rogue, it is because you're not proofreading your post. This is because you are lazy.
Learn to spell.
Why? Because it's a valuable skill that'll serve you well for the rest of your life.
I don't care what your native language is. I don't care what your opinion is.
Don't ask me to lower my standards just because there's something wrong on your end....
Now that I've got your attention, I'll get right to it: many of us find it hard to spell 'rogue' correctly, and I've found a solution. If you're not sure how to spell it 'properly,' spell it as ROGE. Heck, spell it as ROGE even if you do remember the 'proper' spelling! 'Cause let's be honest; a U has no place in that word, unless we're creating a slang term for a small elemental man who acts outside the social norms of his people.
Are you seriously suggesting that a five-letter word is difficult to remember how to spell!
That because you feel confused about spelling this five-letter word, that you want to change the spelling. No wonder standards of literacy are dropping.Oh man, i play a rouge and i get tried of only rolling a single dice to attak. Im at my wits end - can some1 help? I tryed to get work so I could by more books but they told me my engish was to poor. Its rediculus. Mayby i should play a drude?
droodz iz teh winz!!! cat droodz iz fer teh dpsz! RAWR!!!
Sorry had to get my WoW on for a second there...no wonder I left that game.
Here's a novel idea;
Learn to spell.
Why? Because it's a valuable skill that'll serve you well for the rest of your life.
I don't care what your native language is. I don't care what your opinion is.
Don't ask me to lower my standards just because there's something wrong on your end....
Hukd ahn fawniks lernd mee gud!!!
Was my OP serious? About halfway, yes. Partly I just wanted to start a light hearted discussion. I don't seriously expect all the language snobs to change the way they spell words, but not everyone is obsessed with 'proper' English. If I read a post that mentions that "my roge has a 17 Dex" in the future, it'll take me about three miliseconds to recognize it. And I won't mind, you know why? Because just because I can do something, doesn't mean everyone needs to follow suit. A guy with OCD can walk down whole city blocks without stepping on a crack, but that doesn't mean I need to do it too.
Seriously though, if you misspell rogue, it is because you're not proofreading your post. This is because you are lazy.
Fixed that for you. Who's lazy now?
For the record folks, I am a native English speaker and I never misspell rogue.
Assumed you were. And I really love a good spelling & grammar trolling. Sometimes an argument you can't win is the best sort of argument.
My general take on stuff like that is that while we all regularly fall short of perfection, and that's something we should recognise, when we stop striving for perfection that's something that can and should be condemned.
Language evolves over time. But "rogue" hasn't even begun to find an acceptable usage in rouge, roge, or other alternate spellings, so let's stop debating whether it's acceptable to just sit in our filth and instead get up and give our language skills a good cleaning.
Truth? I copy/pasted from Wikipedia. :P
I know there some simple way to do it, but I don't know what it is...
On my computer its:
Menu>all programs>accessories>character map
Macs have one too, but it is accessed a little differently. I think its: Insert>symbol
Very useful!
Also, thanks for giving this English as a Second Language teacher a funny morning grammar and spelling troll. :D
Seriously, if I'm ever DMing a play-by-post game in English and someone misspells "hoard", every gold piece turns into an orc instantly. Artifacts go troll.
You damn Americans, always taking the U out of words!
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
The U in those words actually drives me crazy sometimes. I just always seem to pronounce it wrong in my head when I read it like that and it forces me to stop reading lol.
By "those words" I mean colour and armour.
Yes, there is something wrong with some of us. It is called Dyslexia. I cannot tell the difference between the two spellings in question, unless they are side by side with definition. I have to rely on spell checkers, and they barely work. There are a lot of us, and most don't even know it, because they have just been told that they are dumb for not being able to spell. I didn't find out until I was a junior in high school, so I had no help for the vast majority of learning life. I have to hide this fact to some degree from the people around me, for fear that they will treat me like a simpleton because they will think that I cannot read. And threads like this do nothing to help that feeling.
So, please, think before you berate someone for mis-arranging the letters in a word, that there might be a reason for it. I can read as well, if not better than most. And I can right well enough, until the problem of spelling comes into play, and then I can bog down in details. No, there is nothing wrong with my eyes, no you cannot get glasses to "fix it", and no I do not see letters upside down and backwards like on the commercial.
Lets just add another 'u' and make it harder to misspell.
Rougue
Of course in the Queen's English it would be spelled Rougueu, the extra u syndrome and all.
And in French, Rougueux.
For the record folks, I am a native English speaker and I never misspell rogue. Spell check and dictionary not needed. I don't misspell most of the other jillion English words that are spelled nothing like how they are pronounced, either. In fact, I have a BA in English literature so if anyone has a right to be an elitist about English, it's me. But as well as I know it, written English is absurd. It has a thousand different rules, about half of which are followed about half as often as they should be.
Was my OP serious? About halfway, yes. Partly I just wanted to start a lighthearted discussion. I don't seriously expect all the language snobs to change the way they spell words, but not everyone is obsessed with 'proper' English. If I read a post that mentions that "my roge has a 17 Dex" in the future, it'll take me about three milliseconds to recognize it. And I won't mind, you know why? Because just because I can do something, doesn't mean everyone needs to follow suit. A guy with OCD can walk down whole city blocks without stepping on a crack, but that doesn't mean I need to do it too.
Fixed that for you. Who's lazy now?
Not I. I went back and corrected an error that was pointed out to me. That is more than most people ever do.
I did, however, correct a couple of errors similar to the ones you pointed out to me. They have been corrected, and marked in red. :P
You damn Americans, always taking the U out of words!
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
To be fair, the "u" serves no purpose in Color, Armor, or Honor, other than to give you Brits a VERY fals sense of superiority.
"Har Har, aint it funny that someone can't every word in the English language. They must have sumpthn wrong with them, so lets be insulting to them!"
Yes, there is something wrong with some of us. It is called Dyslexia. I cannot tell the difference between the two spellings in question, unless they are side by side with definition. I have to rely on spell checkers, and they barely work. There are a lot of us, and most don't even know it, because they have just been told that they are dumb for not being able to spell. I didn't find out until I was a junior in high school, so I had no help for the vast majority of learning life. I have to hide this fact to some degree from the people around me, for fear that they will treat me like a simpleton because they will think that I cannot read. And threads like this do nothing to help that feeling.
So, please, think before you berate someone for mis-arranging the letters in a word, that there might be a reason for it. I can read as well, if not better than most. And I can right well enough, until the problem of spelling comes into play, and then I can bog down in details. No, there is nothing wrong with my eyes, no you cannot get glasses to "fix it", and no I do not see letters upside down and backwards like on the commercial.
Makes you wonder. In France and some other countries, dyslexia is mostly thought of as an overmedicalisation of sociological and educational problems whereas in anglosaxon countries, it is seen as some kind of genetic disease. I would not know which interpretation is more accurate.
In any case, english happens to be one of the worst languages when it comes to spelling and the rate of dyslexia is very high among native speakers. On the other hand, languages such as spanish, that have a very uniform and standardized spelling, tend to have almost no dyslexic people.
You damn Americans, always taking the U out of words!
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
We left the U in maneuver, didn't we? (There was another extraneous letter, but we fixed it for you.) :P
PtM
You damn Americans, always taking the U out of words!
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
For emphasis:
To be fair, the "u" serves no purpose in Color, Armor, or Honor, other than to give you Brits a VERY fals sense of superiority.
Here's a novel idea;
Learn to spell.
Why? Because it's a valuable skill that'll serve you well for the rest of your life.
I don't care what your native language is. I don't care what your opinion is.
Don't ask me to lower my standards just because there's something wrong on your end....
You know, if it were almost any other language, I would agree with you, because most other languages in the world actually spell words the way that they're pronounced for the most part. English, however, is completely pants-on-head retarded. For emphasis, I'll quote:
But as well as I know it, written English is absurd. It has a thousand different rules, about half of which are followed about half as often as they should be.
Being **** about spelling in English is ridiculous, and you should feel bad.
My FAVORITE spelling "rule" in English was when my teacher told me "I before E, except after C" which is apparently a popular one people like to say a lot. I have two answers to that:
Height and Weight.
Rōg
To be fair, the "u" serves no purpose in Color, Armor, or Honor, other than to give you Brits a VERY fals sense of superiority.
I'm not British. I'm Canadian. For that matter, I have a French heritage.
Really, I see it the other way around. All of the Commonwealth uses the "U" in those words. It's only you Americans who changed the spelling.
If I were to hazard a guess, it is not the British that are trying to give themselves a "false sense of superiority". I mean, they are using the original spelling. Americans are the ones who made their own special way to spell those words. It seems more like you Americans thought you were too good to use the Commonwealth spelling. Can't have ties to those dirty bastards you rebelled against!
Tongue in cheek of course.
My FAVORITE spelling "rule" in English was when my teacher told me "I before E, except after C" which is apparently a popular one people like to say a lot. I have two answers to that:
Height and Weight.
Your teacher only told you half the rule. It's actually...[indent]"I before E, except after C, or when sounding like 'ay' as in neighbor and weigh."[/indent]
That said, I agree that nitpicking people's spelling is mean and unnecessary. The internet is uncivil enough without picking apart people's grammar and spelling, especially since many people are not native speakers of English or may be dyslexic.
After all, if I were to criticize the OP's grammar and spelling, it would look something like this:
You messed up the punctuation. There is no need to put apostrophes around "properly". Use apostrophes for designating single letters. You should only place quotation marks around the word when you are indicating as a word, not as the object the word described. Nor should you capitalize the word. That is why we use quotation marks. Also, the punctuation goes inside the quotation marks in American English only when the quotation marks are used to designate an actual quotation of text or speech.
[indent]Now that I've got your attention, I'll get right to it: many of us find it hard to spell "rogue" correctly, and I've found a solution. If you're not sure how to spell it properly, spell it as "roge". Heck, spell it as "roge" even if you do remember the proper spelling! 'Cause let's be honest: a 'u' has no place in that word, unless we're creating a slang term for a small elemental man who acts outside his people's social norms.[/indent]
You damn Americans, always taking the U out of words!
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
Valour, honour. And it's pronounced "to-mat-oh". We should know, we invented the language.
[indent]"I before E, except after C, or when sounding like 'ay' as in neighbor and weigh."[/indent]
And that still leaves "Height". :P
Which last I checked isn't pronounced like "Hate".
We should know, we invented the language.
That's not something to be proud of. You did a crappy job.
This reminds me of the time when a 'friend of a friend' said that he wanted to roll a "Genome Rouge"...and he wasn't typing it out or anything; he used it in actual speech!
Now I get visions of dark red DNA every time I see the party's Gnome Rogue.
I'd let him use a dagger shaped like a helix though...Good times. ;)
Edit: About I and E before C: Try "Theist" :D However, that's a 'compound word', I gather...
Hukd ahn fawniks lernd mee gud!!!
Dude, you can speak Swedish?!? ;)
My FAVORITE spelling "rule" in English was when my teacher told me "I before E, except after C" which is apparently a popular one people like to say a lot. I have two answers to that:
Height and Weight.
Rōg
Your teacher left out the next line of the poem:
I before E
Except after C
Or when sounding like A
As in neighbor or weigh
And then there is a rhyming list of exceptions that I don't remember, but it starts "Either, leisure, neither, weird…" and ends with height.
/uː/ as in "through" (cf. true).
/ɔː/ as in "thought" (cf. taut).
/oʊ/ as in "though" (cf. toe).
/ɒf/ as in "cough" (cf. coffin).
/ʌf/ as in "rough" (cf. ruffian).
/aʊ/ as in "bough" (cf. to bow).
(thanks wikipedia)
I'm sure there are historical reasons for that, but it's that kind of thing that makes english very difficult to spell properly when compared to other languages. On the other hand, you guys have it easy when it comes to verbs and verb tenses.
To be fair, the "u" serves no purpose in Color, Armor, or Honor, other than to give you Brits a VERY fals sense of superiority.
Actually, there is somewhat a reason for the "u" in various phrases. Americans can attribute the modern elimination of those extraneous "u"s to the spelling reform brought on by Noah Webster. In America, there was much debate over the confusion of various words (like the fact that "color" and "colour" had been used interchangeably since the 1400s) and wished to standardize them. The current rule nowadays is that if "ou" are unexpressed (such as in armor, which sounds like it is pronounced "armr"), then the "u" is removed. Otherwise, such as with "contour", the "u" remains.
And let's be fair here, brits... you guys have cut out a few "u"s yourself. How many of you properly spell "emperour", "errour", "governour", "horrour", "tenour", "terrour", and "tremour"?
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My attacks might not be as good as yours, but they're better looking. :D
And it's pronounced "to-mat-oh". We should know, we invented the language.
Oh yeah? Well we invented tomatoes and the word tomato wasn't even invented by the English. It was borrowed from Spain who mispronounced the word invented by us. The new worlders. So... yeah... you're wrong.
(Are we really arguing about this?)
To be fair, the "u" serves no purpose in Color, Armor, or Honor, other than to give you Brits a VERY fals sense of superiority.
The next retarded American move: eliminate the letter "e" from the word "false".
DAM... Mothers Against Dyslexia
I don't wanna hurt your board cred or image 'round these parts, man, but this is the best thing in this whole damn thread. Fantastic. Superb. Bravo, sir. :D
The next retarded American move: eliminate the letter "e" from the word "false".
That's an old one.
Benjamin Franklin attempted to convert standardized spelling to a truly phonetic system in the 18th century, and I'm not convinced he was wrong.
Sure, you can look at the word "neighbor" and say, "Hey, that's clearly derived from old english 'neigh,' meaning 'near,'" and that's neato and all, but would anybody really care if it were spelled "nabor?" That's three keystrokes you just got back.
Your teacher left out the next line of the poem:
I before E
Except after C
Or when sounding like A
As in neighbor or weigh
And then there is a rhyming list of exceptions that I don't remember, but it starts "Either, leisure, neither, weird…" and ends with height.
Okay, so it's a rule, and then it lists all of the countless exceptions to itself such that nobody ever remembers the entire thing? Yeah, that isn't making me roll my eyes any less.
:PFace it. As a language, English sucks. Hard.
Okay, so it's a rule, and then it lists all of the countless exceptions to itself such that nobody ever remembers the entire thing? Yeah, that isn't making me roll my eyes any less.
Face it. As a language, English sucks. Hard.
Let's all speak Lojban, then. Or Esperanto. Or Klingon. :P
The next retarded American move: eliminate the letter "e" from the word "false".
Next retarded British move: start pronouncing "broad" to rhyme with "road". :D
The English language evolves, and has been for years. American English deviated from British English back in the 1700s, when Samuel Johnson and Noah Webster published competing dictionaries to standardize the language, and each was adopted by a separate country (you guys took Johnson... suckers!). The end result was a divergence on how we standardize spelling. Prior to the publication of those dictionaries, there was no real standardized spelling. "Color" was just as correct as "colour", but you might also find it spelled "culler", "coler", "colr" or "colre", depending on where the person grew up or learned the language.
Besides, this whole argument over the letter "u" started with words that originated from the French language. Let's stop fighting and blame the French, like we have for years... okay?
the problem with one body deciding the standard and attempting to enforce it is that we all learned to spell things a certain way. You may have saved me three keystrokes with "nebor" but how many times in my life am I hitting the backspace because I spelled the word the old way?
Standardized spelling serves a role, albeit one that may become outdated now that everybody has access to the internet.
At the time, there was no such thing as standardized spelling. Writing "nabor" was equally valid as writing "neighbor," and which you were more likely to use depended on where you from, your class, your level of education, how formal the document was, and who it was intended for.
As, over the generations, "neighbor" became entrenched as the "proper" spelling, there is no reason to think the same process couldn't be repeated with "nabor." There is nothing special or magical about "neighbor" that makes it easier to remember or better than "nabor." You might make typos occasionally, but your kid would make fewer, and it would never, ever occur to his kid to misspell the common, clear, and obvious word "nabor" in such a ridiculous fashion.
Okay, so it's a rule, and then it lists all of the countless exceptions to itself such that nobody ever remembers the entire thing? Yeah, that isn't making me roll my eyes any less.
Face it. As a language, English sucks. Hard.
As a bonus, the list of exceptions, at least as I was taught it, is nowhere near comprehensive.
But I disagree that English sucks. No language obeys its own rules with perfect or even near perfect consistency, and regardless I don't find a languages adherence to rules to be a useful metric for suckitude.
Face it. As a language, English sucks. Hard.
Well, it has its strong points, such as the ability to accuratly describe anything because we have so many words that mean so many different things.
Next retarded British move: start pronouncing "broad" to rhyme with "road". :D
Yeah... That's it... Start
Let's stop fighting and blame the French, like we have for years... okay?
The oldest of British traditions :D.
Or when sounded as ‘A’, as in ‘neighbor’ or ‘weigh’.
Albeit, there’s weird words like ‘leisure’ and ‘neither’
('Foreign’ and ‘counterfeit’ don’t make sense either).
‘Seismic’ and ’seisure’ and ‘protein’ and ‘height’…
The rule is quite useless but possibly might
Just yet be worth saving with some alteration:
(Oops: ‘heir’, ‘their’, and ’sovereign’… ‘decaffeination’…)
So, yes, it’s quite simple; I’m sure you can see-
“‘I’ before ‘E’ when it wants to be!”
(Posted to the xkcd blag by a guy using the handle "Daniel Reeves." And before you correct me, they really do call it a "blag.")
Well, it has its strong points, such as the ability to accuratly describe anything because we have so many words that mean so many different things.
...accurately.
I agree though, and I think a lot of people don't realize that the English writing system is partly logographic, like Japanese. We can instantly tell the difference between words like "knight" and "night" even though they are pronounced exactly the same. The origin of the word is told by it's spelling in English and it that makes it easier to see cognates when learning other languages, or when learning terms in some specialties, like medicine. We alter the spelling of loan words less in English that in most other European languages.
‘I’ before ‘E’ except after ‘C’
Or when sounded as ‘A’, as in ‘neighbor’ or ‘weigh’.
Albeit, there’s weird words like ‘leisure’ and ‘neither’
('Foreign’ and ‘counterfeit’ don’t make sense either).
‘Seismic’ and ’seisure’ and ‘protein’ and ‘height’…
The rule is quite useless but possibly might
Just yet be worth saving with some alteration:
(Oops: ‘heir’, ‘their’, and ’sovereign’… ‘decaffeination’…)
So, yes, it’s quite simple; I’m sure you can see-
“‘I’ before ‘E’ when it wants to be!”
(Posted to the xkcd blag by a guy using the handle "Daniel Reeves." And before you correct me, they really do call it a "blag.")
Awesome... I love it.
Of course, some of the words do somewhat make sense. The "I before E" rule largely applies to sharp "E" sounds like "tier", with the most common exception I can remember being "ceiling". With other sounds, it often becomes "ei" (sovereign, their, heir, foreign and other such words being closer to the "A" sound anyways). Of course, there are also words that have phonetically changed without alteration to their spelling, producing an errour :D as a byproduct, like leisure (which was originally pronounced "lay-sure"... perhaps to emphasize what you should be doing with your leisure time).
For example, in English you can use nouns and verbs as adjectives, whereas this would be extremely confusing in a lot of other languages.
He came to this conclusion based on the fact that in Latin, word order in the sentence is irrelevant, whereas in English word order is paramount. Most other languages use some combination of the two, which means that both word order and word form are necessary to understand the sentence – and therefore some combinations of form and position produce only a confusing mess.
Not saying I agree. In fact, I'm pretty sure I disagree, but I only know three languages and he knew like twelve, so I wasn't about to argue. Still, it was an interesting idea.
We can instantly tell the difference between words like "knight" and "night" even though they are pronounced exactly the same.
Which is great in theory if the language could be consistent about this kind of thing, but then we also have words that are spelled and pronounced exactly the same but mean totally different things (like "bat") and words that are spelled the same but both pronounced multiple ways depending on meaning (like "read").
The simple and logical solution would have just been for us to simply not have words that sound exactly the same but mean different things. If you want a different meaning, come up with a different word... I feel like words like "knight" and "night" should try to sue each other over copyright infringement or something.
‘I’ before ‘E’ except after ‘C’
Or when sounded as ‘A’, as in ‘neighbor’ or ‘weigh’.
Albeit, there’s weird words like ‘leisure’ and ‘neither’
('Foreign’ and ‘counterfeit’ don’t make sense either).
‘Seismic’ and ’seisure’ and ‘protein’ and ‘height’…
The rule is quite useless but possibly might
Just yet be worth saving with some alteration:
(Oops: ‘heir’, ‘their’, and ’sovereign’… ‘decaffeination’…)
So, yes, it’s quite simple; I’m sure you can see-
“‘I’ before ‘E’ when it wants to be!”
(Posted to the xkcd blag by a guy using the handle "Daniel Reeves." And before you correct me, they really do call it a "blag.")
English hasn't been purely phonetic since old english, and that was practically German anyway. We've lived with it for centuries and most of the world speaks it, so there really isn't much point in changing things now.
Just because we're used to something stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.
Which is great in theory if the language could be consistent about this kind of thing, but then we also have words that are spelled and pronounced exactly the same but mean totally different things (like "bat") and words that are spelled the same but both pronounced multiple ways depending on meaning (like "read").
In which case context becomes your bestest friend for ever.
...accurately.
How ironic...
How ironic...
Would have been more so if you would have spelled "ironic" wrong. :D
How the hell can you *continue* to mispell a word that you see spelled correctly several hundred times in the books and constantly harped upon on these forums for being mispelled???
Honestly, I fail to comprehend how someone playing a rogue could have read all the powers, all the class abilities, the introduction to the class, etc., and not have it sink in that rogue is spelled r-o-g-u-e.
And they can't blame it on bad typing, because almost every post I've seen on these forums where it's mispelled has had the word mispelled consistently in every instance they've used it.
We're not talking about some obscure archaic word in a crossword puzzle that never comes up in conversation.... Rogue is the name of a CLASS in the game!!
Not I. I went back and corrected an error that was pointed out to me. That is more than most people ever do.
I did, however, correct a couple of errors similar to the ones you pointed out to me. They have been corrected, and marked in red. :P
Congradulations, you cannot live up to your own standards, and you still think that everyone else gives a kobold's copper about them. Let me spell this out to you: I don't care that you misspelled 'misspell', nor do I care that I made a couple of errors. Because we both know exactly what the other is trying to express. Think about that before you flagellate your brain again.
‘I’ before ‘E’ except after ‘C’
Or when sounded as ‘A’, as in ‘neighbor’ or ‘weigh’.
Albeit, there’s weird words like ‘leisure’ and ‘neither’
('Foreign’ and ‘counterfeit’ don’t make sense either).
‘Seismic’ and ’seisure’ and ‘protein’ and ‘height’…
The rule is quite useless but possibly might
Just yet be worth saving with some alteration:
(Oops: ‘heir’, ‘their’, and ’sovereign’… ‘decaffeination’…)
So, yes, it’s quite simple; I’m sure you can see-
“‘I’ before ‘E’ when it wants to be!”
You, sir, just made my day.
Just because we're used to something stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.
Take it up with the entire world and centuries of evolution of the language.
to stupid threads Congradulations, you cannot live up to your own standards, and you still think that everyone else gives a kobold's copper about them. Let me spell this out to you: I don't care that you misspelled 'misspell', nor do I care that I made a couple of errors. Because we both know exactly what the other is trying to express. Think about that before you flagellate your brain again.
Sorry, I'm not religious, even about grammar, and I didn't get any sexual gratification from this thread. So, maybe I don't understand what you meant by flagellation. Maybe if you could elaborate on what you were trying to express. Because clearly only one of knows what that was. :P
How the hell can you *continue* to mispell a word that you see spelled correctly several hundred times in the books and constantly harped upon on these forums for being mispelled???
My honest and totally-not-trying-to-be-snarky guess? Because it doesn't actually matter. I mean, take Dam_Jak for example: Dam_Jak doesn't have a great memory for letters so he often spells 'rouge' instead of 'rogue.' He could expend the mental effort to learn its 'proper' spelling once and for all [not to mention a hundred other words he often misspells], but for what gain? So a few online grammar fanatics don't occassionally nag him about it? It's not like everyone doesn't instantly know he means 'rogue' when he types 'rougue' here, so there's practically no incentive for Dam_Jak to learn 'rogue.'
Also, you can probably blame the French for this one, as it's likely where the word came from. A major reason as to why English has so many exceptions to rules is because it's basically a giant mix of French, German, and Latin. Have fun making rules that can bind three separate languages comfortably.
First, when a new word becomes accepted into English by common usage, we lose the right to blame others for anything. The French aren't holding anyone hostage and shouting "Spell it in the same confusing and bizarre way that we do, or else!!!"
Second, I can come up with a rule for binding three languages together in about half a second: I call it the Spell-it-as-it-Sounds (SAS) plan. Done.
...I call it the Spell-it-as-it-Sounds (SAS) plan. Done.
It sounds much different depending on your accent.
Standardized spelling serves a role, albeit one that may become outdated now that everybody has access to the internet.
At the time, there was no such thing as standardized spelling. Writing "nabor" was equally valid as writing "neighbor," and which you were more likely to use depended on where you from, your class, your level of education, how formal the document was, and who it was intended for.
As, over the generations, "neighbor" became entrenched as the "proper" spelling, there is no reason to think the same process couldn't be repeated with "nabor." There is nothing special or magical about "neighbor" that makes it easier to remember or better than "nabor." You might make typos occasionally, but your kid would make fewer, and it would never, ever occur to his kid to misspell the common, clear, and obvious word "nabor" in such a ridiculous fashion.
If such a thing occurred naturally I wouldn't really care. It's the willful standardization that I'm against. Mostly because the effort seems a little arrogant to me. Who are you to tell me how I should be spelling my words?
Also, English is a fantastic language. It has quirks and many of them are quite frustrating but the truth of the matter is that we have such great breadth of words to choose from that suit our message and tone unlike many other languages (especially standardized languages like Esperanto)
A few fun examples (these rely on prestige difference between french (latin) based words and germanic (OldE based words):
meal vs repast
home vs mansion
**** vs excrement
If such a thing occurred naturally I wouldn't really care. It's the willful standardization that I'm against. Mostly because the effort seems a little arrogant to me. Who are you to tell me how I should be spelling my words?
Also, English is a fantastic language. It has quirks and many of them are quite frustrating but the truth of the matter is that we have such great breadth of words to choose from that suit our message and tone unlike many other languages (especially standardized languages like Esperanto)
A few fun examples (these rely on prestige difference between french (latin) based words and germanic (OldE based words):
meal vs repast
home vs mansion
**** vs excrement
Er, but you do realize that there is only a "standard" English now because somebody standardized it? That is to say, I am nobody to tell you how to spell your words, and you are nobody to tell me how to spell mine.
In kindergarten, however, somebody has to teach kids how to read, and standardized spelling makes that easier. Why not standardize the easiest possible spelling? That's how the thinking goes, anyway.
It sounds much different depending on your accent.
One of the locals at my gameshop is a girl with a strong scottish accent (and a hawt-ass scottish accent at that... mmm....), and her pronunciation of the word has a lower "o" sound, like the word "mood". I don't think that's a commonality for the Scottish... but damn she's got a hot voice.
Don't know where I'm going with this... I'm probably just trying to rant about a chick with a sexy accent.
Er, but you do realize that there is only a "standard" English now because somebody standardized it? That is to say, I am nobody to tell you how to spell your words, and you are nobody to tell me how to spell mine.
In kindergarten, however, somebody has to teach kids how to read, and standardized spelling makes that easier. Why not standardize the easiest possible spelling? That's how the thinking goes, anyway.
My thoughts exactly. Now we just need to convince all those teachers to change the spellings they teach.
It sounds much different depending on your accent.
Yes, though many words are spelled wrong no matter what accent you use. For example, nobody pronounces the GH in 'though,' the second L in 'spell,' the second T in 'matter,' or the second C in 'accent' as C. Stuff like that everyone can agree on.
Er, but you do realize that there is only a "standard" English now because somebody standardized it? That is to say, I am nobody to tell you how to spell your words, and you are nobody to tell me how to spell mine.
In kindergarten, however, somebody has to teach kids how to read, and standardized spelling makes that easier. Why not standardize the easiest possible spelling? That's how the thinking goes, anyway.
Whatever, I'm obviously not a professional in the field and this doesn't need to turn into some big argument. I understand that spelling was more or less standardized about two to three centuries ago. Of course, standardization only really occurred as a natural consequence of increased literacy. Now that something on an order of 99% of people in the US is literate, it's a difficult change to sell.
But let's be honest here, language changes naturally and if I'm not mistaken, we are gravitating very heavily toward a simplification of the language as it is without any real need to push.
As an aside, I think you can sense my bias. I love the language and all its quirks. They all have a reason for being there and every word tells a story. This is, of course, possible even with simplified spelling but to tell you the truth my opinion on the whole matter isn't really that strong. This is the internet though so every offhand comment gets to be analyzed and retread over and over.
And all of us can safely ignore them.
Honestly though, from a non-native English speaker, English is a really hard language to learn. Most of us Filipinos just get it because we're instructed since birth.
And if there's one thing you can't spell wrong, it's Filipino/Tagalog. For example:
Person 1: Bababa ba?
Person 2: Bababa.
Yes. It's actually a conversation.
Ah, the simplicity.
How about sorceror?
Honestly though, from a non-native English speaker, English is a really hard language to learn. Most of us Filipinos just get it because we're instructed since birth.
And if there's one thing you can't spell wrong, it's Filipino/Tagalog. For example:
Person 1: Bababa ba?
Person 2: Bababa.
Yes. It's actually a conversation.
Ah, the simplicity.
There should be a Filipino version of D&D.
There should be a Filipino version of D&D.
Total waste of time. Everyone can speak and read English anyway. Some better than speaking Filipino itself.
And yes, most of us have impeccable American accents.
Total waste of time. Everyone can speak and read English anyway. Some better than speaking Filipino itself.
And yes, most of us have impeccable American accents.
The above conversation example shows that it is not a waste of time. :P
You all, if we want to use a consistent language that follows it's own rules, maybe we should switch to Quenya?
Total waste of time. Everyone can speak and read English anyway. Some better than speaking Filipino itself.
And yes, most of us have impeccable American accents.
They aren't impeccable unless they're southern.
Yes.
I have heard from more than one person on more than one occasion that English is, indeed, very hard to learn... especially if you aren't "raised" with it being common.
Well, I think almost every Filipino is raised with English as their second or first language (I'm one of the former, while most of my players are the latter), So I don't think we count as one of those not raised with English being common.
However, my Japanese, Chinese (at least, those who are not Chinese-Filipino, since most of them know Chinese, English AND Filipino) and Taiwanese friends had a hard time learning English.
But let's be honest here, language changes naturally and if I'm not mistaken, we are gravitating very heavily toward a simplification of the language as it is without any real need to push.
Spoken language changes naturally, and drags written language behind it like a dead carcass. (Knight is spelled with a K because it used to be pronounced that way...hundreds of years ago. The carcass' guts are very long indeed.)
Do you have any sources or evidence for your simplification comment? Not being difficult, I'm really interested because I've yet to notice English change in the direction of simplicity.
How about sorceror?
Honestly though, from a non-native English speaker, English is a really hard language to learn. Most of us Filipinos just get it because we're instructed since birth.
And if there's one thing you can't spell wrong, it's Filipino/Tagalog. For example:
Person 1: Bababa ba?
Person 2: Bababa.
Yes. It's actually a conversation.
Ah, the simplicity.
The only problem I have with Tagalog is that their words don't always seem to need vowels. As an English speaker who's brought up on the concept that "a syllable isn't a syllable unless there's a vowel in it", it gets very confusing with words as simple as "ng", and contractions often eliminating vowels as opposed to syllables.
Oh, and mabuhay. Good to see a pinay gamer.
Just because we're used to something stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.
Disproved on a daily basis by married people everywhere.:D
And, incidentally, if we did rename "Rogue" to "Crook", there would be one post about how we should spell it "Krook", so it made more sense, and another lamenting people who pronounced it |kroōk|, rather than |kroŏk|.
end of line.
Also the fact that the Academy of the Spanish language has Dictionaries with conjugation tables and a 'Doubts Dictionary' so you better understand what homonym or homophone to use in a certain context is great.
I think standardization would do wonders for the English language, and make it a much more intuitive language as well.
Maybe it is stupid... IYHO (in your humble opinion)
If you think there's anything at all "humble" about my opinion, I'm afraid you're mistaken. ;)
EDIT:
Proven on a daily basis by married people everywhere.:D
Fixed. :D
Total waste of time. Everyone can speak and read English anyway. Some better than speaking Filipino itself.
And yes, most of us have impeccable American accents.
I av a Boston accent, so as fa as am consahned, thehs ehbsolutely no need fa ahs, except at the beginning of a wad.
(Knight is spelled with a K because it used to be pronounced that way...hundreds of years ago. The carcass' guts are very long indeed.)
I believe Monty Python got this word right. When the French Soldier says, "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called 'Arthur King', you and all your silly English K-nig-hts."
If we're going to standardize English, I vote on this pronunciation.:D
I av a Boston accent, so as fa as am consahned, thehs ehbsolutely no need fa ahs, except at the beginning of a wad.
Spoken fo' troof!
The only problem I have with Tagalog is that their words don't always seem to need vowels. As an English speaker who's brought up on the concept that "a syllable isn't a syllable unless there's a vowel in it", it gets very confusing with words as simple as "ng", and contractions often eliminating vowels as opposed to syllables.
We also have that concept. It's just the "ng" that is the exception (pronounced as "nang"). In old alibata, it's spelled differently from "nang" (another word with a slightly different meaning) to differentiate the two in written language.
You encounter "ng" a lot of times because they are so common in sentences ("ng" is used to connect a direct object or a genitive noun from the subject, if I'm not mistaken).
Oh, and mabuhay. Good to see a pinay gamer.
Mabuhay! (you know, no one really uses Mabuhay nowadays. it sounds so... formal. We usually stick with "Hi" and "Hello". It's just weird to use something that literally means "Live!/You live!/You're alive!/Life!" as a greeting. 8D).
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I'm a guy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I don't bother to correct it most of the time since my handle is misleading.
I'm a guy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I don't bother to correct it most of the time since my handle is misleading.
...Oh, wait, nevermind.
We also have that concept. It's just the "ng" that is the exception (pronounced as "nang"). In old alibata, it's spelled differently from "nang" (another word with a slightly different meaning) to differentiate the two in written language.
You encounter "ng" a lot of times because they are so common in sentences ("ng" is used to connect a direct object or a genitive noun from the subject, if I'm not mistaken).
Basically that; it's only a possessive genitive modifier... the equivalent of the English word "of".
Mabuhay! (you know, no one really uses Mabuhay nowadays. it sounds so... formal. We usually stick with "Hi" and "Hello". It's just weird to use something that literally means "Live!/You live!/You're alive!/Life!" as a greeting. 8D).Show
I'm a guy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I don't bother to correct it most of the time since my handle is misleading.
Basically that; it's only a possessive genitive modifier... the equivalent of the English word "of".
My bad. The direct object connector thingie is "nang". See, it's confusing even to Filipinos born and raised here.
Nice trap, lol.
In my defense, it's the name of my Magic: the Gathering deck. And it's not like I look like a girl when you click the link on my sig. But that's enough off-topicness.
So why do people often misspell sorcerer? Can that be explained by dyslexia?
So why do people often misspell sorcerer? Can that be explained by dyslexia?
Actually, that can be explained by the common effect of how the letter "o" and letter "e" can sometimes be used interchangeably in extremely similar terms: such as the case with "executor" (the English rendition of the word meaning "person who carries out a duty") and "executer" (the French rendition of the same word).
American English deviated from British English back in the 1700s, when Samuel Johnson and Noah Webster published competing dictionaries to standardize the language, and each was adopted by a separate country (you guys took Johnson... suckers!).
Johnson predated Webster by about fifty years. (Johnson's Dictionary 1755. Webster's Compendious Dictionary of the English Language 1806.)
Rogue is a word originally meaning a destitute or homeless person, probably originating as Elizabethan slang. Spellings weren't fixed, so it's usually 'roge' back then. Shakespeare used the 'u' spelling. Every time a monster goes down backstabbed by red facial powder, you can blame him.
Actually, that can be explained by the common effect of how the letter "o" and letter "e" can sometimes be used interchangeably in extremely similar terms: such as the case with "executor" (the English rendition of the word meaning "person who carries out a duty") and "executeur" (the French rendition of the same word).
What you wrote is the verb :P .
One of the locals at my gameshop is a girl with a strong scottish accent (and a hawt-ass scottish accent at that... mmm....), and her pronunciation of the word has a lower "o" sound, like the word "mood". I don't think that's a commonality for the Scottish... but damn she's got a hot voice.
Don't know where I'm going with this... I'm probably just trying to rant about a chick with a sexy accent.
And, forgive me, but I don't remember asking you to stop :P.
I love the Scottish accent too. No idea why, it's just... Whoa... ;)
Yes.
I have heard from more than one person on more than one occasion that English is, indeed, very hard to learn... especially if you aren't "raised" with it being common.
It's to do with our word orders, verb formations and multiple words for the same thing, or words that sound the same but mean different things.
Also, take into account weird spellings, strange pronounciations ("sure", anyone?) and it all adds up to a language that would be nightmare to learn as a secondary language.
There was a guy who stood up once, and said "Sugar is the only English word to start with "su" but sounded as "sh"."
Someone at the back stands up and asks, "Are you sure?"
Heh, my last post reminded me of a funny story.
There was a guy who stood up once, and said "Sugar is the only English word to start with "su" but sounded as "sh"."
Someone at the back stands up and asks, "Are you sure?"
Spoken language changes naturally, and drags written language behind it like a dead carcass. (Knight is spelled with a K because it used to be pronounced that way...hundreds of years ago. The carcass' guts are very long indeed.)
Do you have any sources or evidence for your simplification comment? Not being difficult, I'm really interested because I've yet to notice English change in the direction of simplicity.
Yeah I've got nothing but personal observation which of course doesn't really mean that much. Sorry, no studies or anything. Some small examples of a much more lax written style though are the increased use of contractions and the dropping of "he/him" as a general pronoun (a political change to be sure). While these don't change spellings per se, it is a definite signal that the winds of change are blowing for our written language.
:D
:DFirst, when a new word becomes accepted into English by common usage, we lose the right to blame others for anything. The French aren't holding anyone hostage and shouting "Spell it in the same confusing and bizarre way that we do, or else!!!"
You're acting like this happened overnight. The boundary is hardly so clear. Many French words were introduced into English when the French occupied England. Many Englishment became somewhat bilingual and started using French words mixed into their own speech. Many of them couldn't read or write anyway, so spelling wasn't an issue, but the ones that could didn't change the spelling because to them the word was still in French. Only through the repetition of the use of the words did they finally enter the English Language, and since there was no clear point where they entered, no one changed the spelling.
Second, I can come up with a rule for binding three languages together in about half a second: I call it the Spell-it-as-it-Sounds (SAS) plan. Done.
That would cause as many problems as it would fix. For example, all homophones that are not homographs become extremely confusing, as there would be no clear way to differentiate the two words besides context, which often isn't clear enough to do so.
Also, don't think you're so brilliant and have such a revolutionary idea. There already has been an attempt to standardize languages into one easy language; it was a high profile project that created a language with very clear-cut rules with no exceptions and standardized spelling. It failed horribly.
English has more words by far than any other language. The intricacies in the spelling makes for beautiful works of poetry and prose, and it has three separate languages to draw upon for vocabulary. Instead of whining because you can't remember how to spell something, maybe you should consider embracing English for the properties that it has, which no other language can offer.
Yeah I've got nothing but personal observation which of course doesn't really mean that much. Sorry, no studies or anything. Some small examples of a much more lax written style though are the increased use of contractions and the dropping of "he/him" as a general pronoun (a political change to be sure). While these don't change spellings per se, it is a definite signal that the winds of change are blowing for our written language.
I think that the most common medium for written language has become the internet, followed closely by e-mail and text messages, all of which encourage brevity, in some cases restricting even the number of characters you can use.
Whether or not that has a profound effect on the English language depends on what sources you use to measure. I doubt we'll see "u" appearing for "you" or "IMHO" appearing in academic papers anytime soon, but if the vast majority of written records a society produces use these changes, and everybody in the society is expected to understand and accept them, can anyone really say they are not valid terms?
I'm not really sure if these are simplifications, per se, because it's equally complex to write "u" instead of "you," and internet terms that started as acronyms seem to have developed their own significance, like "lol" can be tacked onto the end of a sentence to mean, "I'm just joking," or even as a meaningless sign off, like writing "sincerely" at the end of a letter (as if anybody would write, "The above is full of dishonesty, manipulation and lies. Yours, Abigail," instead.)
Still the exact same pressures are exerted on other aspects of English that do get simpler, such as sentence structure and punctuation. With only 120 characters, a comma and a space are a waste of precious parchment, and that means sentences need to be simpler in order to be understood most clearly.
I don't know if there's any actual evidence of any of this, but it's sort of what I expect to happen as a result of every person on the planet suddenly being capable of "publishing" themselves via the internet or twitter or whatever medium comes next. (Hopefully a long-form medium. We haven't had a new long-form medium since TV.)
IMHO, LOL.
English has more words by far than any other language.
Oh yeah, for certain. Just like the Inuit who have more then three dozen words for the spelling of the word "snow" in English like we do. Or more then handful for the word "white", "cold", ect., ect. Yes, clearly English is the only language with more words then any other. By far! :P English is a sloppy, crude language when you compare it to most, and one of the most confusing by far. I speak both English (first language) and French (second language), and by far I prefer to use French whenever I can (if I can), but being in Toronto I don't have too many options to do so.
Oh yeah, for certain. Just like the Inuit who have more then three dozen words for the spelling of the word "snow" in English like we do. Or more then handful for the word "white", "cold", ect., ect. Yes, clearly English is the only language with more words then any other. By far! :P English is a sloppy, crude language when you compare it to most, and one of the most confusing by far. I speak both English (first language) and French (second language), and by far I prefer to use French whenever I can (if I can), but being in Toronto I don't have too many options to do so.
"More words total" and "more words for any specific concept" are not remotely the same thing. How many words does Inuit have for "car?" "Baseball bat?" "Atomic bomb?"
I'm not sure how you would actually measure such a thing, though. New words are invented in every language every day, and at a certain point they all just kind of get jumbled together as each language also embraces words from other languages whole when they lack their own word for a particular concept. I would consider, for example, "schadenfreude" English, even though it has just been ported over from German, because you can safely use it as if it were an English word and we have no other term for that concept. The only difference between "schadenfreude" and "abyss" is the number of decades English speakers have been saying them.
I was making a joke about it bro.
I'm not sure how deliberately misinterpreting a statement and attempting to refute it with tangential data constitutes a setup, but I eagerly await the punchline.
... Wow. You blokes should go on back to the General Forums. Spend to much time in OTT and you'll go a bit funny. You don't take people seriously in the OTT, and I ain't even going to try. If I want to poke some harmless fun at a bunch of blokes for taking themselves hyper-seriously over something so completely laughable, then I will. :P This is the OTT guy/gal, anything goes! :D
Stop laughing at me!
*laughs*
:P
*runs and hides to avoid the lynching*
You'll pay and you'll see because I showed you, and tours cost a nickel!
Johnson predated Webster by about fifty years. (Johnson's Dictionary 1755. Webster's Compendious Dictionary of the English Language 1806.)
Rogue is a word originally meaning a destitute or homeless person, probably originating as Elizabethan slang. Spellings weren't fixed, so it's usually 'roge' back then. Shakespeare used the 'u' spelling. Every time a monster goes down backstabbed by red facial powder, you can blame him.
Actually, it doesn't predate Webster's works by that significant an amount. Webster actually produced his work A Grammatical Institute of the English Language as a three-book treatise about the English language from 1783-1785. While there is still a timegap, the reason for this was because while Johnson had already begun his work standardizing the language back in Britain, it had yet to touch base in America, on account of the anti-British sentiment that was beginning to grow at the time.
As for the word rogue, it's up in the air. Some sources attribute it to the slang term "roger", which was a vagabond or transient pretending to be a poor college scholar looking for a way to pay tuition. Whether that is true, or even close to the truth, is questionable (etymology is a ***** of a study).
What you wrote is the verb :P .
Do I look french? My picture says I'm a Rakshasa, I don't know french! :D
And, forgive me, but I don't remember asking you to stop :P.
I love the Scottish accent too. No idea why, it's just... Whoa... ;)
That and the Russian accent. Usually Russian is spoken very harshly, but way back when I met an exchange student who actually spoke very softly, but still with the accent... hawt damn!!!
Of course, I really got to stop thinking about voices. I have a tendency for getting into trouble because I date a woman solely for her voice... that's a bad habit for me.
... Wow. You blokes should go on back to the General Forums. Spend to much time in OTT and you'll go a bit funny. You don't take people seriously in the OTT, and I ain't even going to try. If I want to poke some harmless fun at a bunch of blokes for taking themselves hyper-seriously over something so completely laughable, then I will. :P This is the OTT guy/gal, anything goes! :D
To be fair, this was a General Discussion thread before it was in OTT. Some of us are here to continue are discussion from there.
Of course, we can take it relatively easy. You kinda have to if you're gonna put up with Edition War after Edition War.
SUX is not proper english either. It's the airport code for Sioux Gateway Airport / Col. Bud Day Field.
It's also the casual term for suxamethonium... a muscle relaxant.
It's also the casual term for suxamethonium... a muscle relaxant.
We don't allow that kind of language around here.
Oh yeah, for certain. Just like the Inuit who have more then three dozen words for the spelling of the word "snow" in English like we do. Or more then handful for the word "white", "cold", ect., ect. Yes, clearly English is the only language with more words then any other. By far! :P English is a sloppy, crude language when you compare it to most, and one of the most confusing by far. I speak both English (first language) and French (second language), and by far I prefer to use French whenever I can (if I can), but being in Toronto I don't have too many options to do so.
Unless you want to argue that the number 5000 is actually smaller than the number 2500, you're wrong. Also, symmetry is not the same as beauty. It may be easier, but that doesn't make it better. English has much deeper pools to dive into in almost every case in terms of synonyms, puns, etc. than most any other language. It gives you more freedom to express exactly what you mean. The fact that it's a little harder to learn is a deterrent to non-native speakers, but it really shouldn't be a problem to people who grew up speaking it. If it is, it's because you have a learning disability or are outrageously lazy.
We don't allow that kind of language around here.
I call BS. We are talking about the subculture that used to pronounce THAC0 as an actual word rather than an abbreviation. :D
Now that I've got your attention, I'll get right to it: many of us find it hard to spell 'rogue' correctly, and I've found a solution. If you're not sure how to spell it 'properly,' spell it as ROGE. Heck, spell it as ROGE even if you do remember the 'proper' spelling! 'Cause let's be honest; a U has no place in that word, unless we're creating a slang term for a small elemental man who acts outside the social norms of his people.
IT'S SPELLED T-H-I-E-F!
There! Now everyone is happy!
You're acting like this happened overnight. The boundary is hardly so clear. Many French words were introduced into English when the French occupied England. Many Englishment became somewhat bilingual and started using French words mixed into their own speech. Many of them couldn't read or write anyway, so spelling wasn't an issue, but the ones that could didn't change the spelling because to them the word was still in French. Only through the repetition of the use of the words did they finally enter the English Language, and since there was no clear point where they entered, no one changed the spelling.
That would cause as many problems as it would fix. For example, all homophones that are not homographs become extremely confusing, as there would be no clear way to differentiate the two words besides context, which often isn't clear enough to do so.
Also, don't think you're so brilliant and have such a revolutionary idea. There already has been an attempt to standardize languages into one easy language; it was a high profile project that created a language with very clear-cut rules with no exceptions and standardized spelling. It failed horribly.
English has more words by far than any other language. The intricacies in the spelling makes for beautiful works of poetry and prose, and it has three separate languages to draw upon for vocabulary. Instead of whining because you can't remember how to spell something, maybe you should consider embracing English for the properties that it has, which no other language can offer.
Dude, get over yourself. The only ones talking about revolutionizing English is you and a couple other grammar fanatics. I said "if you have trouble spelling this word, just drop the letter that's hard to remember", and you took that to mean "let's rewrite English!" And I'll say this again, I DON'T MISSPELL ROGUE, so instead of whining about other people not living up to your standards, take a valium and then take a moment to think about someone other than yourself.
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When you're speaking in Latin it makes you look smart while having the awesome side-effect of sounding like you're casting Harry Potter spells.
Optimum est! Optime! Optime!
Dude, get over yourself. The only ones talking about revolutionizing English is you and a couple other grammar fanatics. I said "if you have trouble spelling this word, just drop the letter that's hard to remember", and you took that to mean "let's rewrite English!" And I'll say this again, I DON'T MISSPELL ROGUE, so instead of whining about other people not living up to your standards, take a valium and then take a moment to think about someone other than yourself.
How is claiming the SAS principle not rewriting English? If you changed your stance, that's fine and we agree. But the post that I quoted from you says otherwise.
Also, you think that I'm being vain? You're willing to alter a language standardized for billions of people so that a few people can remember how to spell a fairly common word. That's pretty self-centered if you ask me.
It's not that hard to learn how to spell, especially on the internet, which puts a red squiggly line under a word that you spelled incorrectly. Seriously, the public education system teaches spelling up to seventh grade, and after that they consider it a waste of time. If you think that I'm being elitist because I'm saying that people should just learn how to spell things instead of altering the language so that no one knows that they're talking about, then you're being ridiculous.
You damn Americans, always taking the U out of words!
Colour, armour, and now Rogue?
One of the biggest pains of getting a new computer is having to add the correct spellings of colour, armour, valour, etc, into the Word dictionary so I don't have to constantly tell my spell check to shut the hell up.
I'm not even a brit. I just spell like one because that's how I learned to spell. Not sure why that happened really, I've never gotten an explanation as to why my sister (who took it upon herself to teach me how to read and write) always spelt words with the "U".
Rogue is fine the way it is, in my opinion. For those who are frustrated, Thief really is a good option, because theif isn't a word, and thus will always get caught by spell check, and since displacement of the I and E in words featuring both concurrently is so common, almost no one who sees the word mispelled with be at a loss as to what word the speaker was intending to use.
Another option is Scoundrel, for the same reasons. Scoundral is easily recognizable as an attempt to use the word Scoundrel, avoiding the Rogue/Rouge problem.
Here's a novel idea;
Learn to spell.
Why? Because it's a valuable skill that'll serve you well for the rest of your life.
I don't care what your native language is. I don't care what your opinion is.
Don't ask me to lower my standards just because there's something wrong on your end....
Linguistically, grammar is immensely more important. In fact, spelling only becomes an issue when incorrect spelling causes confusion as to what word is being used. Of course, that makes spelling important to this topic, obviously, but EDIT(here I have inserted my tongue solidly into my cheek, in case that wasn't obvious, which it appears not to be upon a closer read) your condescending manner is otherwise unfounded and a bit ridiculous.
Further, no one is asking you, or anyone else for that matter, to lower their standard. The predominate attitude of the people toward whom your post is directed is apathy. Toward their spelling proficiency and toward those who, for nigh incomprehensible reasons, find correct spelling so damned important.
In other words, relax dude.
To be fair, the "u" serves no purpose in Color, Armor, or Honor, other than to give you Brits a VERY fals sense of superiority.
Heh. You would not enjoy the writing of H.L. Mencken. He's an American writer of the early 20th century who described his reasons for remaining in America thus(paraphrased): I love america, not because it's the greatest nation, but because no where else could I be so comfortable and entertained.
As far as I'm concerned America and England are pretty much equal, but mostly I'm entertained by discussions of American vs English superiority. That, and glad I'm not Scottish. :P
Also, I generally disagree with the idea that English is a bad language, but I do often get frustrated with the lack of multiple words for single concepts, each used to put a different connotation of the word.(see the many words for love in many languages.)
another point on the questionable importance of spelling: If you can determine what word was intended easily enough to automatically correct them, obviously you were able to read the word, or you wouldn't have been able to correct the person. So, why give a damn?
"Rouge" does not amuse me as much as a dragon's "horde".
Seriously, if I'm ever DMing a play-by-post game in English and someone misspells "hoard", every gold piece turns into an orc instantly. Artifacts go troll.
Don't dragons usually have both? A horde to guard the hoard? Or a horde for looting or plundering so Mr. or Mrs. dragons can increase their hoard? A dragon can, and often does, hoard a horde of coins.
One of the locals at my gameshop is a girl with a strong scottish accent (and a hawt-ass scottish accent at that... mmm....), and her pronunciation of the word has a lower "o" sound, like the word "mood". I don't think that's a commonality for the Scottish... but damn she's got a hot voice.
Don't know where I'm going with this... I'm probably just trying to rant about a chick with a sexy accent.
I think I vaguely recognize the accent your talking about. It is rather sexy. I knew a girl, a friend of my limey cousin, who had a really fast paced irishy sort of accent that just made me melt. Only slightly less hot than the slavic chick who worked at an aquarium shop, thing.
There are some accents that are just...good. There's good, solid science explaining why the sounds made by those accents are so pleasing, but I'm no scientician.
One of the locals at my gameshop is a girl with a strong scottish accent (and a hawt-ass scottish accent at that... mmm....), and her pronunciation of the word has a lower "o" sound, like the word "mood". I don't think that's a commonality for the Scottish... but damn she's got a hot voice.
I think I vaguely recognize the accent your talking about. It is rather sexy. I knew a girl, a friend of my limey cousin, who had a really fast paced irishy sort of accent that just made me melt. Only slightly less hot than the slavic chick who worked at an aquarium shop, thing.
If the accent of the girl he was talking about sounded Scottish, it may have been either a particular regional accent (highlanders sound different from lowlanders and Glaswegians sound different than everybody else) or it may even be a Welsh or Manx accent, both of which can sound somewhat "Scottish" to people who aren't used to hearing them or whose only exposure to the various UK accents are only through tv and movies.
Don't dragons usually have both? A horde to guard the hoard? Or a horde for looting or plundering so Mr. or Mrs. dragons can increase their hoard? A dragon can, and often does, hoard a horde of coins.
Next adventure I'm gonna make: The Band of the Rouge Rogues coveting the horde of coins in the dragon's hoard.
Next adventure I'm gonna make: The Band of the Rouge Rogues coveting the horde of coins in the dragon's hoard.
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Don't forget to slip in references about your/you're, then/than, its/it's, to/too/two, where/were/we're, their/there/they're, here/hear, and loose/lose. I'd also suggest a/an/and, except that tends not to be a lack of understanding which is the right one to use, and more of a genuine typo. I hope.
... hope springs eternal. ;)
Don't forget to slip in references about your/you're, then/than, its/it's, to/too/two/tutu, where/were/we're, their/there/they're, here/hear, and loose/lose. I'd also suggest a/an/and, except that tends not to be a lack of understanding which is the right one to use, and more of a genuine typo. I hope.
Ya also forgot about rain/reign and veil/vale and such. ;)
If the accent of the girl he was talking about sounded Scottish, it may have been either a particular regional accent (highlanders sound different from lowlanders and Glaswegians sound different than everybody else) or it may even be a Welsh or Manx accent, both of which can sound somewhat "Scottish" to people who aren't used to hearing them or whose only exposure to the various UK accents are only through tv and movies.
True. Hell, I've heard of people mistaking a northern english accent with scottish. which, of course, gave me the giggles.